Well this is a huge advancement. If they can get haptic feedback here, and find a way to have models actually have some level of kinetic force feedback through haptic, we may start to see the metaverse concept become real properly through vrchat
Its not a advancement at all, these things have been around forever in mocap. They wont take off on the consumer level because Flex or elastic resistors are expensive and unless they can get the price WAY down you wont see them much. Typical gloves cost around 500 and don't include position tracking (so tack on another 300 bucks for trackers), they also typically dont include control sticks. Which are sold separately so tack on another 100 bucks. Now your looking at around 900 bucks for some gloves.
Tbh, they should totally sell the index-finger controller/buttons as a standalone thing without the glove. We already have hand-recognition via hmd-camera or other external tracking-sources that allows to be hands-free, what we don't have is a hands-free solution to lateral movement (well, without strange poses that is), something that index-finger joystick seems ideal for.
very cool to see the input 2.0 actually come in handy. still a lot of work that needs to be done putting out the fires but in the end it will be worth it for stuff like this
Pogo arrays don't actually handle high movement very well, since the pins only connect through spring tension. When you move in the direction of the pins, they retract due to momentum. I would like to see a more robust solution than the flimsy ribbon they're using, though. Something durable and rated for a lot of cycles. I know ye olde 9v connector is inappropriate for the task, but it is durable and latches reliably. Traditional ribbon cables with a pin header are sadly way too large for the size constraints.
These are perfect for applications like DCS, where you need a HOTAS to fly the plane, but still have the ability to reach out and manipulate the various switches, buttons and levers!
An excellent start, but a very simple to implement change that would massively improve them is put button emulators in the finger tips that are triggered when you touch a finger tip to the same hands thumb tip to "complete a circuit" without having to depress an analogue button; that would give you 8 virtual buttons with zero need for external immersion breaking analogue buttons or controllers to use, just you own hands! Do that and I will buy some! :)
May i say one thing?: Its not that we need gloves, theres already hand tracking. This gap will be bridged via software. What do I mean? Those modules that are on the index finger? Just make that the controller, and use handtracking simultaneously. You dont need the glove at all, the modules can just vibrate, your brain will fill in the gaps.
You could get a small metal/plastic pipe with rubber on it for grip and play blade and sorcery with a immersive handle for one handed or two handed swords. You could even have a magnet on each end of the small pipes to combine into a longer pipe with maybe a hook system on your belt to holter it
yeah it's like they forget the majority of VR users are questies with price points in the 200-300 range. anything beyond it and there will be zero interest
@@fencingfireferret1188I find the current price frustrating, but the interest level will be non-zero. And the expensive early-adopter devices are paving the road for cheaper mass-market products farther down the line. We need crazy people buying thousand-dollar gloves now to create the market segment, make it large enough that economies of scale kick in, and attract competition. But not me. I ain't got that much cash to spend on gloves, especially ones with limited support.
These are cool but we need some gloves that have some type of a resistance system built it.where it would actually feel like you were grabbing the object.where you grab a pistol off you hip and it feel like you were actually gripping a pistol.you grab something soft like a pillow,as it has some flexibility to it and doesn’t feel stiff..Im sure something like this is still a long way off but it would be amazing
Interesting! I would have personally liked to see the option to not use lazer tracking, but instead some form of camera based (Like the OG CV1) Something a lil less costly to hop into, with base stations being around 400 dollars to gets started, and then the trackers on top of that. Its possible! The old razer Hydras had a way to do it, these could too! Hoping for that!
These look identical to the ones I “came up” with when I was bored 2 years ago. Not color but the how they look and feel…. They’re listening to my thoughts ☠️
hi-hi, this looks super interesting! 😊 Two questions: do you usually have phantom sense, and if so, did you had it while wearing the gloves? (we tried quest pro fingertracking, but airguitaring headpats doesn't trigger our phantom sense )
Nice to see these actually in use, albeit maybe could've used a different avatar for testing fingers. Question though: Does this only emulate current Index finger tracking and just adds finger splay? For example, can you curl your fingers without making a fist? Or, for example, make a right angle with your fingers (as if you're climbing a ledge)?
It uses SteamVR’s skeletal hand input. Yes you can curl individual fingers, but I don’t think it’s precise enough for the right angle you are describing.
The cost plus the issues is the deal breaker for me. My hands are also arthritic so it’s actually beneficial for me to have something like a controller to grip vs closing my hand all the way. I’ll stick with knuckles.
These are awesome and if I had the money I'd love to try them out. It does suck though, I use Vive 3.0s with my Index for FBT in VRChat but with these I'd have to get 2 more trackers so I could maintain FBT on my feet and hip.
When you mentioned you calibrated the gloves to you Quest Pro, was your headset connected to your PC using a data cable or Air Link? Or were you running off the headset's capabilities alone?
Unless these would have force feedback i dont see why they would be better than index controllers, they also straight up lied about the index controllers to make their product look better
i was thinking something like this vr with gloves and gloves to vibrate for example when you open a door in vr the gloves vibrate or when you touch something with your fingers vibrates only the fingers but when you touch something with your whole hands vibrates the whole gloves. also resistance mechanism for example, when you pull something that supposedly needs more pressure or pull, the gloves resist and makes it feel realistic.
wonder if they would work with the SlimeVr trackers i mean their light and small which is a game changer for both being combined. also this kinda wants me to have a prop sword handle or gun to play games like Pavlov or B&S. Gives me Ready Player 1 vibes forsure.
I'm interested in this product for real but after wrapping up everything... So do you mean I need the additional pair of Vive trackers for using this glove? I'm pretty dizzy because the website itself, it's looks working like a charm without it
@@TahvoStudio Hmmm, This is a sad news to me. Sadly the price Vive tracker itself in my country is 160 bucks per side that means 320 for using with one pair of gloves. If I include the glove price on Kickstarter this thing will cost around 820 USD to me 🥹 This is a great product but It's a very steep price for me. Maybe they might make a gen 2 that using some sort of tracking instead
Will say, i didn't know it was "HIM" untill i saw the model of "HIM" that i'm used too later in, i watched thinking, HUH who the heck is this, something here seems familiar, now i wanna know have you made a video testing out the PS VR2 PC link? and is anyone working on some app or mod for vr chat so the haptics and eye tracking n stuff work
So i can build gloves with HAPTIC FEEDBACK for 1/5th the price? And the expensive gloves theyre comparing too include haptics and tracking? Wheres tge Black Templar when you need them? Purge the unclean
Some one should make a controller thats the controller from the quest 2 or 3 or something that has two extra grip buttons for your ring and pinky finger, IF there trying to find a way to control each individual finger, you cant spread your fingers or anything though
It's amazing to see how far VR tech is still going on outside of mainstream attention. This is pretty exciting.
Well this is a huge advancement. If they can get haptic feedback here, and find a way to have models actually have some level of kinetic force feedback through haptic, we may start to see the metaverse concept become real properly through vrchat
Wellll, hopefully not how the crypto-bros picture it.
Yeah but these gloves definitely are a good in between space where you don't have a VR treadmill to replace the joystick control
@@andrewgreenberg1862 I mean a ready player one feel. Good way to prep for when the full deal comes
Its not a advancement at all, these things have been around forever in mocap. They wont take off on the consumer level because Flex or elastic resistors are expensive and unless they can get the price WAY down you wont see them much. Typical gloves cost around 500 and don't include position tracking (so tack on another 300 bucks for trackers), they also typically dont include control sticks. Which are sold separately so tack on another 100 bucks. Now your looking at around 900 bucks for some gloves.
Tbh, they should totally sell the index-finger controller/buttons as a standalone thing without the glove. We already have hand-recognition via hmd-camera or other external tracking-sources that allows to be hands-free, what we don't have is a hands-free solution to lateral movement (well, without strange poses that is), something that index-finger joystick seems ideal for.
very cool to see the input 2.0 actually come in handy. still a lot of work that needs to be done putting out the fires but in the end it will be worth it for stuff like this
The fact that they need 2 additional htc vive trackers 3.0 is just insane 😭🙏
They have to replace the ribbon cable to magsafe/pogo array. This is definitely not a consumer grade product.
Pogo arrays don't actually handle high movement very well, since the pins only connect through spring tension. When you move in the direction of the pins, they retract due to momentum.
I would like to see a more robust solution than the flimsy ribbon they're using, though. Something durable and rated for a lot of cycles.
I know ye olde 9v connector is inappropriate for the task, but it is durable and latches reliably.
Traditional ribbon cables with a pin header are sadly way too large for the size constraints.
No idea but nice tech
0:47 This was the moment I knew, in the core of my being, that I needed to click like on the video UwU
These are perfect for applications like DCS, where you need a HOTAS to fly the plane, but still have the ability to reach out and manipulate the various switches, buttons and levers!
Ayyyy first Tahvo video with the new avatar! These gloves look cool but when will we get paw sized ones? /j
beans!
Jump.
Good to see you've also tested it in Resonite, saw that P-Flux and felt so hype that I might be able to use this in my common play!
An excellent start, but a very simple to implement change that would massively improve them is put button emulators in the finger tips that are triggered when you touch a finger tip to the same hands thumb tip to "complete a circuit" without having to depress an analogue button; that would give you 8 virtual buttons with zero need for external immersion breaking analogue buttons or controllers to use, just you own hands! Do that and I will buy some! :)
Wow. These looks cool. Will consider them if I get into vrc. Awesome video and job.
I legit had the same idea for how to mix a controller and hand tracking I am so glad people are releasing something like this.
I had the same idea a few years ago- I'm so happy someone made it
I was always thinking the joystick being located on the index finger was what was needed for immersive finger tracking.
May i say one thing?:
Its not that we need gloves, theres already hand tracking. This gap will be bridged via software.
What do I mean?
Those modules that are on the index finger? Just make that the controller, and use handtracking simultaneously.
You dont need the glove at all, the modules can just vibrate, your brain will fill in the gaps.
This is gonna be a game changer for VR DJ's and Musicians ngl
Watching knowing damn well I’m never seeing these in person
those look incredible. So sad i didnt have the funds to back the kickstarter in time cause id love to have them now!
They’re launching kickstarter in like a week or so I believe
FINALLY, SOMEONE MAKES A VIDEO ON THESE UNDERRATED GLOVES
1:01 the maple syrup 😂 ❤
You could get a small metal/plastic pipe with rubber on it for grip and play blade and sorcery with a immersive handle for one handed or two handed swords.
You could even have a magnet on each end of the small pipes to combine into a longer pipe with maybe a hook system on your belt to holter it
Every time I see something like this my brain goes, "another step closer to ready player 1"
LITERALLY
In 1-2 years we’re guaranteed to have a lightweight, comfortable version of this type of tech that’s intuitive
Now give me a toed sock version for my feet.
been waiting for this ever since i saw you in the discord
Woof those prices... Meta3 tracking with an additional blacklight is decent enough for me.
yeah it's like they forget the majority of VR users are questies with price points in the 200-300 range. anything beyond it and there will be zero interest
@@fencingfireferret1188I find the current price frustrating, but the interest level will be non-zero.
And the expensive early-adopter devices are paving the road for cheaper mass-market products farther down the line. We need crazy people buying thousand-dollar gloves now to create the market segment, make it large enough that economies of scale kick in, and attract competition.
But not me. I ain't got that much cash to spend on gloves, especially ones with limited support.
WANNA cast spells or fireball more easily? Yes, UDCAP CAN make it happen, and Tahvo’s video is really fantastic for showing our gloves! Thanks a ton.
I love watching these videos while playing GTA
I hope they succeed with their kickstarter.
This video gets Digi's seal of approval.
Ayo what's up Digi
Wow you found my super secret UA-cam channel
Crazy how in the near future, this kind of tech will be more advanced..
Soon we won’t even need gloves like this to get stuff to work, tech will just get better and better! :)
These are cool but we need some gloves that have some type of a resistance system built it.where it would actually feel like you were grabbing the object.where you grab a pistol off you hip and it feel like you were actually gripping a pistol.you grab something soft like a pillow,as it has some flexibility to it and doesn’t feel stiff..Im sure something like this is still a long way off but it would be amazing
I almost didnt order these because the email they sent me seemed a bit sketchy, thanks for confirming these are a real product lol
all this small epic steps (yet a lot of hard work in them) to get in the future some epic nice full body tracking with inmersion. X3
idk when i subscribed but i dont regret it.
Interesting! I would have personally liked to see the option to not use lazer tracking, but instead some form of camera based (Like the OG CV1) Something a lil less costly to hop into, with base stations being around 400 dollars to gets started, and then the trackers on top of that.
Its possible! The old razer Hydras had a way to do it, these could too! Hoping for that!
i love that vr avatar
These look identical to the ones I “came up” with when I was bored 2 years ago. Not color but the how they look and feel…. They’re listening to my thoughts ☠️
This is very cool! I might try getting these at some point, or not…who knows. But still, it’s cool!
The new avatar is so dang cute!
hi-hi, this looks super interesting! 😊
Two questions: do you usually have phantom sense, and if so, did you had it while wearing the gloves?
(we tried quest pro fingertracking, but airguitaring headpats doesn't trigger our phantom sense )
I don’t have phantom sense. Using them for headpats was nice, but you’re still going to be petting the air.
It may have been easier to showcase the versatility if you weren't in an avatar that had such meaty hands.
Definitely on the fence between these and the Contact Glove's with Vive Ultimate trackers as a way to get non-basestation handtracking for VRChat
Nice to see these actually in use, albeit maybe could've used a different avatar for testing fingers.
Question though: Does this only emulate current Index finger tracking and just adds finger splay? For example, can you curl your fingers without making a fist? Or, for example, make a right angle with your fingers (as if you're climbing a ledge)?
It uses SteamVR’s skeletal hand input. Yes you can curl individual fingers, but I don’t think it’s precise enough for the right angle you are describing.
THIS LOOKS AMAZING!
Bye bye controllers
The cost plus the issues is the deal breaker for me. My hands are also arthritic so it’s actually beneficial for me to have something like a controller to grip vs closing my hand all the way. I’ll stick with knuckles.
Now were are they avalable and do they work for pico 4?
yoooo!! he posed let’s gooooo
I'd love to see you check out the Lucid Gloves prototype 5
These are awesome and if I had the money I'd love to try them out.
It does suck though, I use Vive 3.0s with my Index for FBT in VRChat but with these I'd have to get 2 more trackers so I could maintain FBT on my feet and hip.
You should look into the EOZ immerssive gloves next!
POWER GLOVES LET'S GO!! :D
Fun fact: a lot of Power Gloves sold back in the day were sold to the era's VR market, because it was a relatively cheap and pre-built option.
When you mentioned you calibrated the gloves to you Quest Pro, was your headset connected to your PC using a data cable or Air Link? Or were you running off the headset's capabilities alone?
Virtual Desktop
i have a feeling valve is cooking something up with all this hand tracking updates for index 2 by testing it on quest3 etc
Every step we take we get closer to Ready Player One. I cant wait to get a haptic suit with crotch haptics lol!!
Bonk. Horny jail.
Its a huge advancement but still lacks the pression of holding something. Without it, it feels fake when you holding something like a weapon.
I really hope this can be connected to the quest systems.
This is the right direction for this kinda thing, but srsly needs a bit more dev time lol
Unless these would have force feedback i dont see why they would be better than index controllers, they also straight up lied about the index controllers to make their product look better
I physically want to hold a controller to control my movement, not imagine im holding one
Think you could check out the offerings from DiverX and EOZ?
Would love to check them out.
i was thinking something like this vr with gloves and gloves to vibrate for example when you open a door in vr the gloves vibrate or when you touch something with your fingers vibrates only the fingers but when you touch something with your whole hands vibrates the whole gloves. also resistance mechanism for example, when you pull something that supposedly needs more pressure or pull, the gloves resist and makes it feel realistic.
Do you need a specific headset or does it work on the OG vive?
wonder if they would work with the SlimeVr trackers i mean their light and small which is a game changer for both being combined. also this kinda wants me to have a prop sword handle or gun to play games like Pavlov or B&S. Gives me Ready Player 1 vibes forsure.
I'm wondering if they would account for non standard hand shapes as my middle and index fingers are conjoined and are unable to wear normal gloves
id pay for a nintendo powerglove-themed one
so in other words, I just have to survive long enough with my repeatedly failing index controllers until this becomes available. Got it.
Welp that seals it for me.
For vtubers 👀👀👀👀
I would love this for vtubing so much
Definently a amazing product just not enough support in games sadly. But hopefully with these devs will start working on making support for these
I NEEEEED
I’d be so down to get these if they didn’t require a tracker….all I have are the vibe ultimate trackers
What were you using for play space drag withe the gloves?
how did you get the tracker to stick to the headset? ive tried a buncha stuff and only managed to get zipties on a 3rd party strap at the top to work
heey, do you have any knowledge on does this work without lighthouse tracking? (pc/steamVR with quest3)
woooo Cirvulp :3
I'm interested in this product for real but after wrapping up everything... So do you mean I need the additional pair of Vive trackers for using this glove?
I'm pretty dizzy because the website itself, it's looks working like a charm without it
Yes, you do need the extra trackers to use them in VR. Unfortunately a lot of the promotional material omits this for some reason…
@@TahvoStudio Hmmm, This is a sad news to me. Sadly the price Vive tracker itself in my country is 160 bucks per side that means 320 for using with one pair of gloves. If I include the glove price on Kickstarter this thing will cost around 820 USD to me 🥹
This is a great product but It's a very steep price for me. Maybe they might make a gen 2 that using some sort of tracking instead
i always wondered why youtubers who use vr sometimes never show their real faces
so how did you walk around in vrchat with the gloves on?
Will say, i didn't know it was "HIM" untill i saw the model of "HIM" that i'm used too later in, i watched thinking, HUH who the heck is this, something here seems familiar, now i wanna know have you made a video testing out the PS VR2 PC link? and is anyone working on some app or mod for vr chat so the haptics and eye tracking n stuff work
PSVR2 PC eye tracking might still be a good ways off unfortunately, not easy and I don’t know of anyone working on it right now.
@@TahvoStudio From what I heard, the PSVR2 not having Eye tracking on PCVR is due to Sony not having the Windows license of Tobii... Yeah.
So this a something like that LucidVR gloves?
I like the diy one that Lucas VRtech
They look so cool, will need to find the time to build them
@@TahvoStudio yeah same
Tahvo wearing gloves to unbox the gloves so we don't find out he's actually a dog.
Looks like you tore the glove at the base of the palm, are they fragile/easily damaged?
how do you clean them tho because over time, sweat or natural skin oils will make them a bit gross
number 200 yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssss
Nice but for is walking in vr the most thing that im waing for, in all games. Mb with a feet tracker and just walking in place on a gaming carpet.
So i can build gloves with HAPTIC FEEDBACK for 1/5th the price?
And the expensive gloves theyre comparing too include haptics and tracking?
Wheres tge Black Templar when you need them? Purge the unclean
I already have controller free pcvr with my xr elite and wrist trackers and the new vr hand tracking
What game is that at 4:57 ?
It looks really fun, I've never seen it before.
Underdogs. I played it on Twitch, it’s pretty fun.
How much was your used quest pro?
I suppose we need sensor for leg.. SO why is complicated?
We are so close to a sword art online
fingys, the last frontier
Well these gloves will be expensive when it's done getting the money for the production of the gloves.
Kinda want to try this with contractors
Aren't those the 1.0 trackers? The 2.0 trackers are smaller and entirely black.
Some one should make a controller thats the controller from the quest 2 or 3 or something that has two extra grip buttons for your ring and pinky finger, IF there trying to find a way to control each individual finger, you cant spread your fingers or anything though
3:30 This felt targeted lol
One day....
but the price my guys, if it was 299 I would be considerable, but 499usd? and you'll need a tracker/controller attaching outside of it? nuh uh