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What if the Russian Empire, rather than sell Alaska to the United States in 1867, following it's defeat in the Crimean War, instead held onto it's sole North American Territory? Why did Russia sell Alaska, and how might this alternate scenario have impacted the later Russo-Japanese War, the Great War, and of course, the Bolshevik Revolution, and subsequent Russian Civil War?
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Your videos are the best dude
Why did reuse this scenario ?
Will DeMarco yes
Will DeMarco how are you doing today
Will DeMarco great
I find this funny this came out 6 hours before alternate history’s version of this
And his sponsor was Nord VPN lol
@@jesseward4115 hhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
It’s strange how similar their voices sound
@@michaelyoder8914 It's also strange how their videos go in completely different directions too...
I thought they were the same person before this video lol
Imagine if the Soviet Union had Alaska... They could create a situation similar to the Cuban Missile Crisis, but on their own soil.
That was noted in the Alternatehistoryhub as the unplausible timeline.
Imagine if the USA and the Soviet Union had a border
wallywallendo That would probably happen if the Bering Strait reappeared during the Cold War.
If that was the case, The US would be quicker to retaliate with nukes since its marginally closer to US soil than Cuba. The threat being next door like that would make America waayyy more paranoid than Current History.
More paranoid = more likely to hit the button
Edit: not to mention what Britain would do in a situation like that...
Britain would probably be like:"Ahaha no" and declare war and steal it, remember Britain legit nearly declared war on the USSR multiple times in our own timeline with them having Alaska they would fear for Canada's safety and attempt to neutralise the threat, what would come of this? Alot I imagine USSR and British tensions would go through the roof with the British actively supporting White Army Remnants or anyone who opposes the USSR this would also most likely cause Britain to adopt a way more anti-communist policy in our timeline as it's most likely from stealing Alaska the Soviets would be like:"Wait they stole Alaska! What happens if they steal more and invade us" probably sending Stalin down a route where he gets threatened and his usual paranoid route so where he begins starting to fund communist movements across the Globe and funding Communist China. Now what would Britain and the Allies do about the Axis Powers? Well it's most likely they will be even more lighter on them but it would probably be the same result but there is a bigger chance for Germany being allowed to do whatever in Central Europe and eventually come into conflict with the USSR at this point it's a bit iffy on what would happen as there is three main routes this can take.
1. History plays out exactly the same except Britain is more Anti-Communist and holds a more aggressive stance towards the USSR and it's associated nations.
2. Britain and the Allies lets Axis do whatever until the Axis comes in conflict with the USSR in which cause they join directly and establish a new Russian Regime in the lands they managed to get or support Germany and help the White Army Remnants rise up and fight back against the USSR basically making it so Germany gets the majority of the land while a new Russian Regime that is weaker and probably just barely has Moscow
3. The intervene when Russia invades the Baltics and Finland sparking a war there who would win? I do not know probably the USSR in that case and then history will probably play out the same (I mean as in Allied troops rush into the Baltics or Finland something like that)
He released this right in my break at school.
You're welcome.
Me too
Me too
Same!
Yo! Same! Thanks, Mr. Z, you really respect our individuals who are in the process of education!
"Threatening To Steal The Moon" said from a russian ambassador that sounds like the ambassador was Gru.
The moon is made of cheese....so he could have steal the moon.
*Russia* “Alaska is worthless let’s sell it for 1$ a hectare to the USA.”
*USA* “Wow there’s gold and oil here guys!!! Trillions of $ worth here!”
*Russia* .....😑😑😑
Russia:What have we done!!!
Pissed off Pakistani man
The central Park was more expensive then Alaska.
Were you aware during history class?
it's 2 cents an acre. best deal ever lol
I’d disagree that the Bolsheviks would have still come to power, with Russia’s victory in the Russo-Japanese war the duma wouldn’t have existed so most would more likely push for moderate democratic and socialist reforms rather than revolution especially if conditions had been bettered in previous year as he had eluded to.
Fair point, but consider that such radicalism was already growing, and would continue to grow as a result of the upheaval during WW1. The Petrograd Soviet, after all, wasn't greatly connected to the Duma at all, but rather started off as an independent union of sorts.
My thought was that if the 1905 revolution hadn’t occurred even if the more radical elements were still present it would have left the imperial government more cards to play thus buying time as a delay of months could have radically changed the course of the revolution especially if the us was more invested in Russia in this timeline
@John MacmillanTravel is only so Fast
@@MonsieurDean blue cheese is made of mold
The Bolsheviks had only 23% or so of the vote and still were able to get power. 37% votes went to the Socialist Revolutionary Party and about 18% to the Ukranian socialists. so it was pretty clear what direction Russia was heading too... as 2% voted liberal.
and I prefer Gouda cheese.
The grizzly bears would be tame because of the Russians bear training tatics
@Bronco 48 ultimately culminating in race war among the Bears due to difference in status
XD
Prestigious Memes yes lol
Damn, what are the odds that 2 alt history UA-camrs make the same scenario and have a VPN service as their sponsor?
They are the same guy
I have an entire class period free because the teacher decided to release us early and this is what I have waiting
Perfect
The gov in exile in Alaska sounds like something from Kaiserreich
I'm disappointed you didn't make any reference to the U.S. invasion of the Soviet Union, 1918-1920.
Since the U.S. was concerned enough about the Bolshevik Revolution to be willing to take the very difficult step of sending forces to Siberia in our timeline, it seems a pretty good bet that there would be an even larger U.S. incursion in this one.
I am afraid, that part of our history has been dropped from school. I didn't know about that until, I did research on the Colt 45. On Wikipedia.
(Unless, I was mislead.) According, to Wikipedia, the 45. was used by the White Russians, until American Troops were pulled out.
Funny, how the World works, don't it?
@@someguy9293 In fact, I think the most likely scenario which allows Alaska to become the Russian Taiwan is one in which it is occupied by the U.S. (with or without an attempted invasion of Siberia), and eventually is turned into a puppet state.
@@johnburt7935 Maybe. To bad we will never though. Interesting, nonetheless.
@@someguy9293 Well, Russian Alaska makes a good place to set AltHist stories, anyway.
It’s probably because the US did not mean to combat the Bolsheviks directly but to protect Entente arms shipments from Germany or unknown actors, the Detroit’s Own only fought the Bolsheviks near archangels because the Churchill and the British expeditionary forces wanted too and the French wanted to reopen the eastern front with the help of the Czech legion. The US troops where then forced to because the British out ranked them in country and the US major in charge didn’t care enough to wire back to the US
An early upload is a pleasant surprise.
Want to hear a Joke,
It is so cold here in Alaska
that I saw a politician having hands in his own pocket.
I love it! And here are the lists that I want to see the future video.
1. What if Korean Empire never fails.
2. What if Korea becomes the colony of France?
3. What if Japan becomes the colony of the USA?
4. What if Xinhai Revolution failed?
5. What if Two Sicilian Empire had a colony or refuse to united with Italian Empire?
6. What if USA failed in the Spanish American war?
7. What if Ethiopia was the superpower in the African continent?
8. What if Park Chunghee survives in the 10/26?
9. What if China was scrambled like Africa?
10. What if China won the First Sino-Japanese War?
11. What if Guiana becomes the state of Canada?
12. What if France and Britain involve the Civil war?
13. What if the Berlin uprising success and the Soviet evacuate the East Germany?
Korea as a French colony would have very interesting implications: the Franco-Prussian war potential avoidance, and the partition of China.
I can see the 1866 expedition as the starting point of this alternate history. Instead of a small expedition France would have to send a major force that would somehow achieve the submission of Korea in the following years.
Geopolitically the most immediate change might be the avoidance the Franco-Prussian war, I can see two scenario happen:
A) The conquest of Korea brings France a lot of prestige but it isolate France diplomatically (it goes against Russia and the UK interests in Asia). Napoleon III is therefore more cautious and doesn't fall into Bismark plan. The German unification is delayed and France remain the main power in continental Europe for the next decade.
B) Napoleon III get cocky and responds to Bismark provocation anyway. France is in turmoil and seriously weakened for the next decades (what happened historically).
The second big change that might happen is the partition of China. The strong presence of France around China might motivate some big moves during the boxer rebellion. A partition of China would be in everybody interest as it would be the occasion to rework the balance of power in the area. France would have to accept modest gains while the British and Russian Empires would be the ones getting the most out of it. Other European powers would get parts of China , by order of importance: Germany (if it exists), Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy and Portugal. I really don't know for Japan, it might be the big looser of this alternate history.
The map of the world would be very different and geopolitics greatly affected by the partition of China, so I can't predict more except that Korea's dominant faith would definitely be Christianity. Catholicism, and to a lesser extent Protestantism would take over Buddhism and the native Shamanic religions.
The entire video is mesmerising, but then again so is Mr Z voice too.
Not sure if this is just me , but would Russia not losing the Russo-Japanese war mean that the British fear of Russia dominating Asia and thus threatening India continue ? Especially after their conquest of Central Asia giving them near direct access to India . With Japan proving they are unable to properly counter Russian domination of Asia alone . Would they not try to ally Germany ? Or at the very least allow Germany and Russia to duke it out alone . Not only that if ever Germany position in Central Europe be loss . It would mean that the Russians would be able to focus on Asia while France would be able to use German industry and population and increase their own risk . Keep in mind this is before the first Great War so the diplomatic relationships France and Britain are still icy at best .
No whatifaltist also agrees with you!
Britain would never let anyone, least of all the Germans, with their superior military and science to dominate European continent, so they would ally themselves with anyone to stop this. And they did it. Twice!
@@martinboskovic1009 Same thing they did with Napoleon,but don't expect britian to be all lovey dovey with Russia,as britian feared both Germany and Russia dominating Europe,it happened to be that Germany was more powerful and aggressive than russia. A russo-german alliance was much more likely if Germany had a diplomatic attitude rather than expansionist attitude.Also the reason the Crimean war even happened is because of Russian expansion.
What if yugoslavia did not turned communist?
people wouldnt have died. not really fun is it.
It would be balkanaized and and most propably never gained independence by itself
Probably would have broken apart by the early 1960s and their will still be a yugoslav war but in the 1960s but wont affect the world to much
Well it would be as dysfunctional as the previous one, maybe the only way for it to survive is to be truly equal under a swiss-like model with American conservative attitudes about centralized government.
Tito nooooo
This one is easily one of the most fun (and realistic) videos so far. I miss the pre-soviet Russia, I would love to see them around today.
Post Soviet Russia has revived imperialist ambition like the pre-Soviet Empire.
@@PrimericanIdol I wanna see a Romanov, not tsar putin.
How can you miss something you haven't experienced?
@@FilipSrbin uh know about it...
I once use to say a lot of unique alternate history question, but everytime I did, it has been ignored.
Now I'm here. I'm here as a normal viewer typing normal comments of every video you released.
And I have to say:
This is a unique alternate history for Russia. Love it! ♥
Glad you liked it, pal! Your recommendations also have not gone ignored, I've jotted down a few for future videos.
@@MonsieurDean Well, thank you. ♥
Literally Cody uploads the same exact scenario the same day. Strange
It’s just a coincidence, there is no feasible way that Cody could’ve made the video within the span of only a few hours
So Alaska basically became the Russian equivalent to Taiwan
Better defendable than taiwan for shure.
The fact that this video came out the same day as AlternateHistoryHub’s (albeit, a few hours apart) feels insanely coincidental
They sound the same aswell
Brandon Bonas
Only slightly. Z’s voice sounds a bit more higher than Cody’s
Rewatched the original version of this a few days ago, great vid
Thanks, pal! Hope you notice a big improvement.
@@MonsieurDean for sure
A Tuesday?
I don't believe it either.
But would Britain really be willing to ally with Russia after it winning the Russo-Japanese War? Wouldnt it still take a much more Anti-Russian position and thus rather support the Germans? Especially considering Russo-British tensions over Alaska. Or did I miss something?
The Nova renaissance As we know Prusso-British relations were pretty good OTL until the Naval Arms Race began. Wouldn’t Britain try to deepen these ties with Prussia (later Germany) to stand against an ever more strengthened Russia, which also had close ties to the US and thus threatened British hold on North America?
What if Basque country remained independent?
it couldn't, it's so insignificant in terms of landmass and population that it would be absorbed by Spain or france. also it was never independent in the first place
@@chaos4395 kingdom of Navarre?
@@derevianne1108 it was 2 years ago i was less informed, but still it wouldn't survive
@@chaos4395 lol ok
I disagree that there would even be a successful Bolshevik revolution in this timeline. One of the major causes for Red sympathies was the repeated defeats, first in the east, then in the west. If Russia had won the war in the east, that would largely lift the threat of revolution. It might have even majorly shifted the way the Great War happened as one of the reasons Germany was so willing to go to war was the assumption that they would be able to easily beat whatever the Russians sent at them, an assumption which originated in the humiliation of the Russo-Japanese war
What if either India or Pakistan decisively won the 1965 indo-pak war?
Also, nice video. Really love the unique scenario
Monsieur Z uploading on a Tuesday?
_Wait that's illegal_
I found out yesterday that my competition is doing this same scenario, so I had to put it up quick. This was meant to go up last week, but our computer died out with several of our files.
AlternateHistoryHub just released a video with the same theme. Coincidence?
I THINK NOT
Yes.
What if king henry the eighth took the french throne
To be honest he could have but he would lose it in rebellion even if he didn’t after his sons death Mary and Elizabeth couldn’t inherit due to succession laws and it would probably go to some French noble
No because they would have been in a personal Union so they each would have had different kingdoms one ruler so different laws
For example the Scotland and England were different but one ruler so if they had different laws and it is possible they split they didn’t so it never happened but my point stands
Sorry didn’t read the hole thing due to a small bug but I still don’t think the French would have changed the laws so easily
Plus he needed a male heir more so he might still possibly with papal support due to him in France or different marriages
This is probably- no, DEFINITELY- my absolute favorite of all the alternate history scenarios you've put out so far, by far. This one was awesome! Thank you for making it.
A Monsieur Z upload on a Tuesday, what a plot twist! This is an interesting topic
Y u everywhere...
Wow, he updates the new video on Tuesday? That’s unexpected.
You’ve done very well to upload this video. Well done.
Thanks, pally.
2 scenarios could happen:
1)Alaska could be a Taiwan 2.0, as Constitutional Monarchy after Revolution and strong aligned with USA and Western countries, after soviet collapses they did a referendum for rejoin Russia but fails and remains independent at nowadays.
2) Red Army crosses the Bering Strait and conquer Alaska, into a Soviet Socialist Republic until 1991 when gets independent, and could be a Belarús or Ukraine 2.0
They didn’t have the naval capabilities and the United States wouldn’t allow it
So uh, just curious, anyone else realizing AlternateHistoryHub made this exact video today as well?
im prittey sure alternet history hub is doing the same video
That's why I had to put mine out earlier. Had my computer not died, this would have been last week's upload.
3:16 oh ho ho ho if only they knew...
Except for the Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands, Russian Alaska getting any territory in Asia seems highly unlikely.
1. There is no reason for the communists to give away the Chinese and Korean territories that they got in our timeline.
2. The USA would have trouble negotiating the loss of Hokkaido with Japan, and it wouldn't even be in their long term interest. Everyday lost in the negotiation with Japan is a day for Stalin's armies to advance even further into Manchuria/Korea. And the idea was to make post-war Japan and ally anyway.
3. A peace where Russia share no land border with the soviet union satisfy every body.
It's really interesting that you and AlternateHistoryHub uploaded videos on basically the same subject today!
When I watched this and then got the same title recommended from alternativehistory hub and thought it was the same video😂 I love that both of you made the same video and released it the same day, a nice way to see different scenarios loved love, keep the good work
Loved the video! :)
Just had an interesting idea for a potential scenario. What if Baldwin the Fourth of Jerusalem didn't have leprosy? It seems like a minor change at first, but the more you get into it, the more interesting it seems. With his tactical genius, it seems unlikely that Jerusalem would have fallen like it did in our time line. Without Jerusalem falling, there is no Fourth Crusade, and thus no sacking of Constantinople. He would have likely been able to marry and produce an heir of his own, thus preventing the succession crisis that put Guy de Lusignan on the throne. Even if it only delayed the fall of Jerusalem by a few decades, it still would have irrevocably changed world history, IMO.
really cool to see your opinion and cody's on the same topic and its a very cool coincidence
Got two here
What if Christianity United?
What if term limits were always a law and not just a tradition? This could greatly affect both World Wars as Teddy Roosevelt and FDR both ran for their third terms just before each World War.
Glad to see a classic got a reboot
I really doubt that Russia would ever be a figurehead monarchy i could see it as a constitutional monarchy with the Tsar as a strong executive but not a figurehead monarchy because there is no way the Church or Tsarists would stand for that
Indeed a figure head tsar is the antithesis of all that is Russian. The Tsar is the voice of god, his divine regent to guide men in the mortal world. Turning the Tsar into a figure head would be the same as spitting in the face of God(in the minds of the Russian people at least.)
so true, but what would be the effects of "americanisation" of Russian mind(and elite is westernised already, being composed of "white" emigrees from noble and upper middle classes) in this remote colony separated from motherland for decades is impossible to tell. At least, the February revolution and overthrowing of the tsar was done by upper and middle classes "democrats", not by working masses and bolsheviks, they come later, through that breech.
#BestAlternateHistorian
It honestly is because it would at least make a hypothetical and give some reasons as to how it could have happened...unlike some channels who just end up giving a TLDR of the history, not even going deep into the history outside a generalization, and then saying ‘oh the variables are too much to consider to give a good representation’
Cody... it’s Cody and alternate history hub.
If he should give a fun tldr and generalization on anything, it’s the alternate history, explaining what happened in a tldr in our timeline is just a copout of doing work on some creatives.
Really Z, this work you do is good and creative. Keep it up
I dont even know any other alt history channels except cody lmao
@@ColonizerChan I prefer Cody because Cody brought us Tyler, and by God, Tyler is something else.
@@nowhereman6019 cody and z sound similar
Alternatehistoryhub makes the same video a couple hours after? Curious.
I know right! So weird, but funny
It's like both of them are the same people...
@@medievalknyght313 they even sound the same
I can't believe I just found your channel! This is great!
04:35 I never knew that Gru was once The Governor Of Alaska.
The *madlad* did it, he made one of my scenarios!
I am honored.
TUESDAY UPLOAD LET'S GOOOOO
This is a great video!
I did expect Alaska to end up as Russian Taiwan, but then how would events play out when the Soviet Union dissolves? Would Alaskan leadership attempt to take control from the Russian Federation? Or would the status quo be maintained?
By the time Soviet Union falls, I don't think Alaskans would want to join Russia. Because of Economic turmoil in Russia at the time and Alasakan Nationalism (being separated for 69 years they will have their own national identity). There will be irredentist in Alaska and Russian Mainlanders who would support unification.
Great video
"And THAT is where I end this video for now."
I hat this sentence so much. Just when things get interesting. Always.
17:40 onwards sounds like what we saw with Taiwan for much of the Cold War
Did you and Alternate History Hub plan to put the same video out today?
I would love to see a part 2 of this, describing how the cold war and modern era would go in this timeline.
Sadly, its been 3 years since this was made, so I dont forsee that happening
A very interesting video i had a new idea concept for my gaming
Im still convinced that Mr z and alt history hub is the same person if not then twins they both sound so similar its hard to ignore
Hey man! I've been a long subscriber and I can tell you ,I think I still remember how your voice sounded and Idk, its a great feeling to know that I was around towards your earlier days and still here. I am really glad to see you're still doing this and improving! literally, you've improved so much and I'm so glad to call myself a fan of yours. I really look forward to more of your content !
That means a lot, pal. Thank you.
I wouldn't mind a triple alliance between Canada, the US, and Alaskan Russia. The details of WW2, and the post war era would indeed be fascinating, and I believe warrant a sequel video.
*Looks in my notifactions, sees a video by Monsieur Z about Russia keeping Alaska, then look a bit down and see the same topic on AlternateHistoryHub*
"Hmmm"
I’m assuming some of these videos are doubled cause you wanted to build on it more? I dig it.
This is very strange seeing this come out a couple hours before Alternate History Hub on the same topic. Yet, Cody's videos do take more time and effort to make so who knows who thought of the video topic first hahaha
Tbh, this alternate history needs to continue beyond just ww2 and the early cold war, but until Russian Alaska retakes it's old motherland.
The most obvious Point of Divergence here is for a random Russian settler or trapper to have discovered Alaskan gold decades earlier, making the colony a more obvious economic asset.
Next video: What if Alaska kept Russia?
What id Monsieur Z had a time machine and released the same video 6 hours prior to Alternate History Hub?
Another entertaining video- thank you. Future Topic: what if the Venezuela border dispute of 1895 sparked a war between the USA and UK? A great land power fighting a great sea power would likely be a draw with perhaps USA taking some lands from Canada while UK took the Sandwich Islands and bombarded the coasts. The consequences for 1914 being more significant. Just a thought.
Either this is a grand coincidence or AlternateHistoryHub and this channel just did a secret collab.
I'd love to see what you say about an independent Alaska during the Cold War.
Hooray! Another sponsor!
What if sweden won the great nordic war?
Such interesting timelines! Makes me wish I was born in these worlds instead...
Yea we need a part 2 about the cold war
Can I have a source on the Russia eclipse thing? It’s so interesting but I can’t find it anywhere online
Didn’t alternate history hub just make a video on this.
But i did like the video
Cool. I work for the Alaska Commercial Company in Nome.
this is such a cool theory .
While working in Ventura county, I crossed path with a fairly large group of Russian immigrants. The basic knowledge of a Russian settlement having existed was met with skepticism by a large minority of them.
Hail the U.S. of Z!!!
Hail the US of Z
Hail the US of Z
Could there be an Alternate timeline scenario with the Russian State under Kolchak in Alaska that sound plausible?
Right when i finished school he came out with this video, fuck homework i’m watching mr z
U see how alt history hub uploaded the same thing after?
How is it you and alternatehistoryhub put out the same video on the same day?
meanwhile in a diffrent universe: *what if russia sold alaska to the us*
Man I wish I lived in that universe :(
That would be a boring video
This a great video Monsieur Z, I'm also glad you're back I thought you got sick or something, we really miss you and your hearing your voice. Too bad the Ramona did not survive in this timeline, how about what if George V did gave his cousin Tsar Nicholas II and his family a political asylum somewhere where the soviets won't find them? That a would a cool what if alternate history King George V chose family over some political matters even if he has to disagree with his cabinet and his advisors. If I was King George V I would do the opposite gave my cousin and his family a place stay that will be hidden from the Red army's wrath. Keep up good the work, and be safe from the Covid-19!!
Was it by chance that you and alternate history hub both posted very similar videos hours apart?
Why is it every time I see one of Monsieur Z’s I want a hoi4 mod to be made for it.
when antz releases before a bugs life, jk i love you both.
Russia: sells Alaska
United States: finds Black Gold
Russia: ............. 😞
They also found gold gold.
What if the Plains Indians successfully resisted westward expansion?
What if De-Nazification failed?
What if the Great Schism between the Catholic, and Orthodox Churches never happend?
What if the Zulus won the Anglo-Zulu War?
Interesting
Very similar to what happened with China and Taiwan. It would be weird to see a world with a Russian monarchy and the soviet union in the same timeline. Wow
Knew it
Alaska becomes a Russian Taiwan
*gets sent to the gulags for saying Alaska is a country*
"Fifty-four forty or fight!" What if the Unites States went to war with Great Britain over Oregon Country?
I see another war of 1822
12 not 22