I use matrixes for all of my mixing. A matrix for the subs, a matrix for my center fills, and a pair of matrixes for my left and right. I have never thought of sending a vocal sub group directly to the matrixes instead of just straight to the L/R mix. I also use a separate send for the subs so I only send what I want in the subs to the subs. But that is a whole different approach to mixing.
I think I have the answer to this question but, what about if you’re recording from a matrix. If you’re changing vocal and music level from matrix, the record matrix doesn’t receive those changes
If vocal goes to Matrix , how does it get back to the PA? Groups to Master fader to PA I get but Vocal to Matrix ….. then what? Can you route matrix to master fader. ( When mixing a L/R output only. Thanks
I think you’re misunderstanding it slightly. Think of matrixes like your speaker outputs. The PA is not getting driven by your L/R bus directly. You route your subgroups (mixes) to your L/R bus (think subgroups for drums, guitars, instruments etc.). Think of your L/R bus like a Submix of everything. Then you route your L/R bus to your matrixes. For example, you’ll have a matrix for Left, a matrix for Right, a matrix for subs, and a matrix for fills. These matrixes are going directly to your speakers, the L/R is just supplying those matrixes with audio. In Robert’s case he isn’t routing his vocal subgroups to the L/R bus, but directly to their respective matrixes.
I get it, but if you have only two outs for your L&R and you are already sending a music matrix there, how are you able to send a voc matrix there too?
Console signal flow generally goes from inputs to subgroups to matrices. In this example, you have one stereo matrix for your PA (your two outputs) which is then fed a band subgroup and vocal subgroup.
@@Zvoncic1 The functional difference is in where you spend your time mixing. With the matrix setup, you can spend less time with individual Channels and do more at the subgroups level. With the band subgroup to L/R setup, you spend more time balancing with channel faders. I prefer to have my instruments go to seperate groups where I can rebalance in a general way for each song. I can always adjust balances within a group at any time. Plus, the processing on the L/R bus will always only effect the band and not the Vocals. But obviously the same type thing can be accomplished with subgroups as you describe. It is a subtle difference though.
This routing is not achievable with the Presonus studiolive. If you try to do it you will only end up leaving the mainL/R physical output to use another output for matrix
I use matrixes for all of my mixing. A matrix for the subs, a matrix for my center fills, and a pair of matrixes for my left and right. I have never thought of sending a vocal sub group directly to the matrixes instead of just straight to the L/R mix. I also use a separate send for the subs so I only send what I want in the subs to the subs. But that is a whole different approach to mixing.
I missed something there, I don't understand why audio subgroups and matrixes...
Did you watch the gain staging video before this?
I will always mix nominal and from the matrix i send the correct level to speakers or feeds, it is right this approach ?
I think I have the answer to this question but, what about if you’re recording from a matrix. If you’re changing vocal and music level from matrix, the record matrix doesn’t receive those changes
Why not just bus all the music into a Band-Bus? Most consoles nowadays have some way to stack groups
Agree.. Matrix for me different medium. House. Board cast..... Etc
This was my first thought. I guess if you can’t stack groups, like the console we have, you could use matrices.
Because of freedom
If vocal goes to Matrix , how does it get back to the PA? Groups to Master fader to PA I get but Vocal to Matrix ….. then what? Can you route matrix to master fader. ( When mixing a L/R output only. Thanks
I think you’re misunderstanding it slightly. Think of matrixes like your speaker outputs. The PA is not getting driven by your L/R bus directly. You route your subgroups (mixes) to your L/R bus (think subgroups for drums, guitars, instruments etc.). Think of your L/R bus like a Submix of everything. Then you route your L/R bus to your matrixes. For example, you’ll have a matrix for Left, a matrix for Right, a matrix for subs, and a matrix for fills. These matrixes are going directly to your speakers, the L/R is just supplying those matrixes with audio. In Robert’s case he isn’t routing his vocal subgroups to the L/R bus, but directly to their respective matrixes.
I get it, but if you have only two outs for your L&R and you are already sending a music matrix there, how are you able to send a voc matrix there too?
Console signal flow generally goes from inputs to subgroups to matrices. In this example, you have one stereo matrix for your PA (your two outputs) which is then fed a band subgroup and vocal subgroup.
Rather than assigning L&R to physical outputs, assign them to the matrix which then get assigned to the outputs to the Mains.
isn't it the same if you just have L/R master and you send vocal subgroup and band subgroup to L/R master?
@@Zvoncic1 Basically, yes.
@@Zvoncic1 The functional difference is in where you spend your time mixing. With the matrix setup, you can spend less time with individual Channels and do more at the subgroups level. With the band subgroup to L/R setup, you spend more time balancing with channel faders. I prefer to have my instruments go to seperate groups where I can rebalance in a general way for each song. I can always adjust balances within a group at any time. Plus, the processing on the L/R bus will always only effect the band and not the Vocals. But obviously the same type thing can be accomplished with subgroups as you describe. It is a subtle difference though.
This routing is not achievable with the Presonus studiolive. If you try to do it you will only end up leaving the mainL/R physical output to use another output for matrix
I actually use this all the time on a studio live 32s
Matrices 😢😢😢