U6 Pro A Tale Of Two Putties
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- In this video I'll be highlighting some info regarding U6 Pro that will hopefully help clear things up for those unsure about what's going on.
Deleted Reddit Post: tinyurl.com/y8bvna5z
CSGR Website: computer-systems.gr/
CSGR U6 Application Stream: • Applying CSGR U6 Pro P...
CSGR U6 Removal Stream: • Applying Halnziye HY25...
Test Chart Repositiory: drive.google.com/drive/folder...
Discord: / discord
Timestamps:
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00:00 U6 Pro: A Tale of Two Putties
00:33 Closeup Comparison
03:58 Timeline Overview
07:43 "Upsiren" brand applies for Trademark in USA
08:55 Deleted CSGR Reddit Post
11:13 Snarks Domain Video on Aliexpress Upsiren U6 Pro
12:11 CSGR Applies for Trademark in EU
13:28 CSGR Website Updated
15:36 Snarks Domain stream of CSGR U6 Pro Application
15:49 Snarks Domain stream of CSGR U6 Pro Removal
16:03 What about performance?
16:38 How I test Thermal Putty
18:46 Performance Comparison Chart
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I came from a reddit post talking about puttys, It amazes me how the u6 Pro from aliexpress that a company is calling fake is performing way better that the supposed 'original', golden information here
Thank you so much
It amazes me that you are the only channel that deals with the topic of putties in such an in-depth way, really, congratulations. Why do you think no one talks about it? And why is K5 pro (which apparently is one of the worst putties?) the most famous being also mentioned in channels like LTT?
k5 pro is great, but only under certain use cases. It performs fine, there are just better alternatives. I use it in conjunction with more higher performing putty, it depends on what im applying it too and how much heat transfer I truly need out of it.
Thank you for the kind words. I think people are starting to talk about it more, but it's hard to convince people to try it, especially if they've had an experience using K5 Pro. They won't easily trust putty after a bad experience.
But now we are seeing some really high performing stuff, even beating to high end Thermal Pads (Including Gelid Ultimate, GPURisers, Kritical, and basically matching 3D Graphite pads.).
There are a few other Yotubers experimenting with Putty in the last few years. Perhaps I should post links to them.
@paelimination I could see it possibly working with shims, just not VRAM or VRM on it's own, at least not GDDR6 or GDDR6X. Maybe it can handle GDDR5/X?
@snarksdomain3453 I think because laptop manufacturers are moving away from thermal pads to thermal putty it's unavoidable that the topic will come up much more often.
@@snarksdomain the funny thing is is even K5 pros informational stuff says to use shims if its beyond a certain mm thickness, so you're dead on about using shims with it. For me, I dont use it ever on VRAM or VRM but I use it for all the other stuff and it works great for that and performs higher than a lot of stock thermal pads on devices.
I once even used it on a 3080 that had 95c vram and it dropped it to 80c and still maintains that. So it really does depend on the thickness as to how effective K5 is. Now of course theres better alternatives for the VRAM, and Ive been using Upsiren u6 for VRAM now on laptops and cards.
THANK YOU for putting in the time to research this topic and demystify it. Upsiren really should have avoided marketing off the back of CSGR, they didn't really need it in the end.
Based on what I've personally observed, CSGR's marketing strategy, behavior online, and *ego* are rather unflattering.
It's as if all the attention they got from being featured on LTT emboldened them. I already actively avoid their products for that reason alone.
This so hard. I wasted a few hours reading all the comments from the GSGR reddit account and the way they speak to customers is such a joke. Just based on that i'll never buy one of their products.
Was looking for actual CSGR K5 Pro benchmark on reddit few months ago. I can't find, however I did find a bunch of obvious CSGR shill accounts. Just new or suspended/deleted accounts talking only about K5. For that reason alone I'm staying clear of their products. Crazy that even putty needs shilling.
There's Billions of dollars in the Thermal Putty industry, so the competition is fierce.
Damn man, thats a devastating blow you've dealt here...and yet they (CSGR) claim that the older chinese products are rip offs and so on, while they pretty much 'stole' the brand name and also the naming scheme and put out subpar products for alot of money to Amazon or so... if they were atleast more or less on the same level, i'd say ok, i dont care as long as i get a good product for a fair price, but THAT?!
THX for all the effort and all the testing, you rock!
It was a little bewilderimg to see the test results. I wasn't expecting it to match K5 performance. I was thinking there would have been at least an attempt of improving it.
@@snarksdomain
No wonder that they try to put down the originals as fake and dangerous...so they can keep selling their bad products for alot of money.
I like to recommend the original, but as i saw the version on Amazon i went to look if there were tests or so for it...
I'm so glad that you had some...
It spared me and subsequently, as i will tell ppl about it, A LOT of trouble and wasted money when looking at your results.
I dont even want to imagine, what would've happen, if i had fallen for it and would smear that crap on my RTX 3080 Aorus Master 12Gb's VRM's and Memory Modules and then go all out with CP2077 with RT on and all the jazz, pulling 420Watts thru it...
didn't watch this video beforehand, got ripped of 40 AUD on amazon as a result...
and now I have to call my laptop manufacturer to replace laptop heatsink due to stripped screws and other heatsink problems trying to diagnose severe throttling problem(that stemmed from a botched mobo replacement that didn't include thermal pads on VRAM...)
@lsp6032 oof. That really sucks. So did the manufacturer replace the mainboard and then just not install the pads? Or was it a repair shop that did the work?
Really hoping good things happen for your laptop. If you bought it with a Visa/Mastercard and run into trouble with getting it fixed, there is usually an extended warranty through Visa/Mastercard (depending on your card benefits). A friend of mine had a Visa that triples the warranty. His laptop had a 2 year warranty, so Visa had him covered for 6 years. He said Visa was really good customer service when he had to get it replaced (issues with main board as well, which made a repair too expensive).
I'd encourage everyone to take a look at that Reddit Post while it is still on the Wayback Machine.
Thanks for the videos. I finally found someone that is testing thermal putty.
Welcome to the "Rabbit hole" that is thermal putty!
Feel free to check out the charts located at the Google Drive link in description(Test Chart Repository).
There's also live streams for when I apply a product to the card, among other things I stream.
Most recently I've started a Discord Channel (Link in channel about page)
very informative, nice work. You deserve more subscribers
wow, nice investigation
I had a terrible experience myself with K5 pro on a 3080. Thankfully you have convinced me to give Upsiren U6 pro a try. Cutting and measuring pads is exhausting! I won’t be trying the CSGR putty tho because it gives me flashbacks of digging K5 pro out of sooo many cracks on the 3080. No thank you!!! Thanks for the work you do to inform us on this :)
I'm glad you were willing to try a Thermal Putty again after your experience. How are your VRAM temps now? If you like, you can log them using HWINFO64 and then game for a while and afterwards look for the maximum value for Memory Junction Temperature :)
Thank you for the recommendation. I actually just ordered some for the first time so I will let you know how it goes once I use it.
@@somersthesunless9091 i wish I had the sample of Upsiren UTP-8 in hand already to test, but I believe it will be an imporvement over U6. That being said, I think you'll be pretty happy with U6 performance.
Actually I forgot I switched my order from the U6 at 20g for $25 to the UX at 50g for $51 on Amazon surprisingly. Figured if I could get the better stuff for cheaper. I will use it mostly on mining cards anyway so performance isn’t my primary concern, but more value. If can get the better stuff for cheaper then I will lol.
@@somersthesunless9091 Which country did you find it on Amazon? Just curios.
It's really sad to see that greek store taking that route. I have visited their shop and they seemed decent and helpful people, I also felt somewhat proud as the K5 pro got popular coming from my city. And now this...
I am still hopeful that they will make an improved putty and call it K6 Pro or something similar. Then we could probably all move on from this.
I too fell for the LTT K5 Pro lie, but (thankfully?) never actually applied it to anything - cleaning up would be a PITA.
On another note, any updates on Thermalright's Heilos pad? Somehow it went absolutely silent after reports on a few tech outlets... :(
Helios tests well. It's on the charts :)
@@snarksdomainOoh very neat, thanks for the heads up! 🥳👍
Do you know, by any chance, how it compares to high-end pastes (Mx-6, NT-H2,…)?
@niikon I still need to test those 2. I'm gradually working through CPU/Die applications. Currently half way through the phase change materials, and then will be working through the pastes.
@@niikon Search for Igors Lab thermal paste showdown. All the mainstream pastes have a 1 to 3C difference on cpu. On a gpu its a completely different matter.
Hey! Amazing and valuable info presented in this video, well done! I have just recently found out for myself what putty is. I have a RTX 3080 Gamerock. It has many thermalpads installed from the factory. I had previously dissasembled the card and changed just the thermalpaste to mx-4, few of my thermalpads ripped but I assembled it back because I didn’t have any new pads. Right now I mainly play tarkov and here i get around 76 core temp. 90 on the mem. I think highest i saw was 77core 95mem in other games. Based on the graph you showed. What putty would be the best for me (gaming mainly) UX Pro or CX-H1300???
UPD: My GPU is undervolted to 906mv at 1920mhz, memory is stock mhz, running stable for a year.
90-95 isn't too bad for GDDR6X, all things considered. But you could go with whatever putty you like and fits your budget. Definitely look at what each costs, shipped to your door. I'd recommend getting 50g.
Nice content
First of all thanks for work done here! A great informative content, i am looking to buy u6 pro or ux ultra or utp 8, i just am not sure which one it's better for my secondary chips and vram in the my gaming laptop, i don't know if beeing too much hard (like seems to be the ux ultra) will do a problem of compression. Thanks !
@Omnium94 Thanks for cheacking out the video. Of those 3 the best is UTP-8. It slightly outperforms UX Pro and is softer and also cheaper. Can usually get 100 grams for $35 CAD. Although for a gaming laptop you will likely only need 20-30 grams at most. I'd also recommend using a Phase Change Material on the CPU and GPU core.
Fehonda LTP81 is also very good. It's basically tied for first place with Upsiren UTP-8. Fehonda will need to lower their price a bit to be a bit more competitive that way.
The latest results are in the charts located at the Google Drive link below (Test Chart Repository>VRAM TIM>ETCHASH).
Can you try out Kold-01 for the GPU?
Can u please tell me which one of the two putties that you showed in the video should i buy.. Fyi i can only find the one with low viscosity(Liquidy) one, is it okay to put that on the vrams?
The liquidy one is made by Computer Systems GR. It's up on the charts in the google drive link in video description (Test Chart Repository). It does not perform well.
I'm guessing you live in Europe?
You've got a few options. You could go with Upsiren UTP-8, CX-H1300 13.5w, Halnziye HY236/HY256, Laird T-Putty 607
Could you test ptm7950 on vram, I know ita not meant for vram and you shouldn't use it, but im curious what the temps will be
I can try this with shims once I get to shim testing.
It looks like the Middle999 Store is now selling a different Upsiren putty, UTP-8. I wonder if it's a repackaged U6 Pro with a new name due to the CSGR taking the name trademark in Europe.
It's an improved putty over their original U6 Pro. I tested a sample about a month ago and gave them my feedback. It's possible they made further adjustments to the recipe/performance, but I won't know until I test it (once sample arrives).
@@snarksdomain awesome! Can't wait to see your results.
May I ask a question! ?
First of all thank you very much for your hard work with these videos!
So I was wondering on the cx-h 1300 video u used the multimeter on the putty on the card memories, can I ask why??? Is it electrically conductive? I don’t understand the use of multimeter on the thermal putty! Thanks in advance!
I used the multimeter on the outty to test if it conducts electricity. It doesn't. It is a good electrical insulator and safe to use.
The only putty I've tested so far that does conduct electricity is T-Globals NSP-80. Since we figured that out, I've been testing each new putty with a multimeter to check for continuity, just as an extra precaution.
@@snarksdomain appreciate the fast response!
@@user-lm7st1jy9g Your comment popped up just in time. I was up late gaming. Now I'm heading to sleep.
@@snarksdomain lucky me! Goodnight!
hi snark, how long before the u6 pro dries out and gets crumbly ? say, normal browsing gaming. Occasional 60-70°c on a motherboards vrm
Hard to say for sure. I haven't seen it yet myself. Based on some of the things I've read regarding Silicone oil based putties, perhaps several years.
Most have a "shelf life" or "use by" date. These dates often refer to how long the manufacturer expects the consistency/viscosity to remain within a certain tolerance. This is really important for automated applications where a specific pneumatic pressure and time of a valve being open for it to dispense a consistent amount of putty, or at a consistent rate.
If the viscosity changes too much, then not enough product will be applied without needing to adjust the programming, which means downtime.
Even after these "Shelf life" or "use by" dates it seems like thermal putty continues to conduct heat. I'd like to test this out in a couple years with a really old batch of putty, and a new one.
My best guess for you is several years in your case.
Ironically I need a bad thermal putty to reach that 60c vram overclocking sweet spot on a waterblocked card. With 40c/42c core/vram temps I wonder what I should apply. I already have TH949 on the waterblock before I found out I needed high vram temps.
What are your current VRAM temps? Perhaps we can do some hillbilly math and use your current temperature, and my chart, to get a rough iea of the ideal putty for your application.
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42c under game load and 25c idle. Compared to your chart it is around a 34c difference. K5 then?@@snarksdomain
thank you very much, what does compression retest mean?
I believe you are referring to the 2 right-hand columns on the comparison chart. Those columns are there for me to note any issues I think occurred during the test, or something I noticed during the dissassembly after a test.
"Compression" means I think the outty didn't get fully compressed during the reassembly.
"Coverage" means that I noticed VRAM chips that weren't fully covered while dissassembling a card after a test.
"Retest" means I plan to retest the putty on the test card at some point.
Hi, was wondering what height you usually have on putty when applynig it into a gpu.
Hello, and welcome to UA-cam! This looks like your very first comment.
The height of the putty really depends on the pad it is replacing. I'll be making a guide soon to help explain it in what I hope will be an easy way to understand.
For VRAM, on most cards, a 6mm cylinder/log/roll is ideal. On the VRM, on a lot of card, a 4-5mm log/roll usually does well.
Hi. In your opinion, is it viable to apply some thermal putty above a thermal pad to fill the gap between the VRAM? To explain better: I had tried a 1.5mm pad on a Gainward's 3080, but they use custom sized pads (1.75mm). Thank you.
You can, but you'd likely be better off just using thermal putty. You'll find that many aftermarket pads, and even many OEM ones, leak oil and lose effectiveness after a while. A good thermal putty will last years. This being the case it's also a good idea to use something on the core that will also last that long, which is why I often use a Phase Change Material rather than a paste. For my tests I always use MX-4 thermal paste, just to keep things consistent, but otherwise I'm usually using PCM's.
@@snarksdomain I also use MX4 only, because it doesn't degrade after years.
The Pads I'm using are Thermalright's Odyssey (12.8w/mk). I chose them for all my GPU's because of the consistency and they don't seem to leak oil after years and can be reused after a maintenance.
And the Putty is Uprisen U6 Pro.
So, in this particular case, I just didn't want to waste all those new pads, which are expensive.
But in the future I'm only using Putty instead of pads, for sure.
UPSIREN Putty U6 pro very good pads. I use it on chipset of ASUS ROG Strix F gaming X370 and it has the exact same temperature like Laird HD9000 thermal pad. During one hour in youtube 4k videos, some internet browsing and e.t.c. I receive 54-55 degrees at chipset, with Laird test and U6 pro test.
Nice. Yeah, the Upsiren U6 Pro from China is quite good, just not the one from Greece (CSGR).
I've actually got some Laird HD9000 pads I'll be testing soon.
@@snarksdomain it will be interested, for sure))
Hi there mate. What would you recommend as being the best thermal putties out there for use on VRAM and VRM's on an RTX 4090 with waterblock. Looking to maximise contact between GPU die and waterblock and not rely on pad thicknesses and or/block and pad tolerances. I think you mention TH949-1 as being the best ? Thanks bro.
You'll want to take a look at the comparison charts. The link is in the description (Test Chart Repository).
Lots of good putties to choose from. The column that matters most is the VRAM T-Delta.
@StatsGam4er replied: "Snarks Domain I ordered 50g of the Upsiren UTP-8 which looks to have a higher thermal conductivity than the Pro. This ok ??"
Your comment seemed to disappear. Let me know if you'd like this comment/reply deleted or not.
UTP-8 is designed to be an improvement over U6. While I haven't tested the final retail version of UTP-8 yet (out working), the prototype sample I tested performed better than U6, but not as well as UX. I think you'll be happy with it :)
@@snarksdomain Thanks for the feedback bro :)
Hey snark, do you know why middlestore999 delisted their u6 pro? Is the UX pro that you tested UX pro ultra or is that new?
I can check, but I have a pretty good idea. Good things to come soon....
As for UX. There is only one UX. "Upsiren UX Pro Ultra". I just refer to it as UX Pro since "Pro Ultra" is a mouthful.
@@snarksdomain Thanks for replying, they relisted it, I'm guessing they were just restocking.
I got 20g of U6 Pro Upsiren off Amazon. Except it's slightly more purple in tint and almost exactly the same consistency, with it being a tiny bit more sticky. Probably a batch difference, but we'll see 🤷
Hard to say for sure which one you got. Both have been on Amazon, depending on which country you live. You'll have a pretty good idea by the memory temperatures (if your device shows that).
Also, if the listed had the brand as "Computer Systems GR" then you've got the CSGR one instead.
@@snarksdomain Well I found the official Upsiren store on AliExpress and the color I have matches that exactly and the Upsiren store on Amazon US has the same size range.
What's throwing me off is as soon as I work it enough to get a layer on the gloves it's hard to make a ball. I got another jar coming in tomorrow. So I'll keep making my expensive peanut butter sandwich 🥪 😆
Thanks so much for your hard work!
I have an EVGA 3090FTW3 that I want to cool the VRAM of better, doing CFD work with Boltzmann methods it gets as hot as mining, 110C on the VRAM. I saw your latest testing showing great results on the Upsiren UTP8, I'm thinking of getting some for the front and back, and redoing paste with PTM7950 which I've done several times already.
Your results are with the 3070Ti, but the 3090 pumps more power into the board as a whole. Can I expect similar temps? I'd like to prevent it from throttling. Also, which Putty would you recommend for best temps that's not too messy to apply? Is UTP8 the way to go?
Be sure to save the EVGA putty from your cards VRM. It is a very good putty that they don't make anymore.
Since a 3090 has 12 VRAM on the backplate you likely won't get the same temperatures as the 3070ti. Under mining load you could get into the high 80's to mid 90's I think.
UTP-8 is quite nice and not messy. Really easy to shape with gloved hands.
For a 3090 you will likely use 70-90 grams. I would recommend getting 100g of whichever putty you choose (still much cheaper than pads).
*Edit: when I did my 3090 FTW3 with shims and TG-PP10 I was getting MJT of 86 Celcius with the memory Overclocked, mining Ethereum.
I'm planning on redoing my 3090 with just putty soon, probably with UTP-8.
Awesome thanks a lot! The Middle999 store also sells copper shims that go on the VRAM of these cards, would you say it's worth it? I'm most likely just going to stick with the UTP8 putty. I'm just looking to avoid throttling, if I can stay below 100C MJT with the 3090. I might add a fan on the backplate, but I'm in a mini ITX case so hard to find space. The backplate gets hot enough to burn me.
Wow, 100g is expensive in $CAD, I had some OwlTree pads off amazon that were cheaper.
I'll do my best to save that EVGA putty, but isn't that pointless as I'll be replacing the VRAM ones and the VRM with the UTP8?
I recently repasted and padded my reference 6800XT with those OwlTree pads, PTM7950 on core. Hitting 100C on the hotspot at 293W, 1.15V but it doesn't throttle (110C), would hit 110C before. Might have to redo that at some time with putty to get better die contact when I get more PTM7950.
And what's a good way to estimate how much you should put on each line of VRAM chips? Do you just roll them up and press the cooler down and see?@@snarksdomain
@alihammad6318 100g is $44 CAD. Shipping usually takes 10 days for me (Canada).
I wouldn't recommend shims for most folks. It does add risk, so extra prep work is advised when going with shims. Either using Kapton tape or Conformal coating (MG 422C).
I'm confident a good putty like UTP-8 or CX-H1300 will keep your VRAM below 100C.
That being said, our goal here is to make your backplate hotter, due to increased thermal transfer rate to it. This will increase the delta between the back plate and the ambient air, thus giving a better cooling effect. Ideally you'll want some airflow moving past the back plate.
If just putty ends up not working for your case, and use case, then going with shims on the backplate would be the next step. If your card is mounted flat you can also look into adding 12 copper ram sinks on top of the VRAM locations, plus some airflow past.
Hello again :)
I have another question. Is it possible/good approach to use Putties instead of all thermopads for different components(power section etc) on GPU?
Short Answer: Yes
Long Answer: You can use a good thermal putty to replace any thermal pad. Due to how putty forms around little SMD's it will likely cool those component better.
This is a difficult thing to measure/quatify since we don't typically get to see the temperatures of these components.
I've seen some videocards come from factory woth pads too thin to make contact with the component they were meant to cool.
Putty is more likely to get good contact on different components and not compromise core/cooler contact. Some cards have 4-5 different pad thicknesses and it can be difficult to get them all to the perfect fit.
Putty solves these issues by being highly compressible and forming to whatever thickness/shape required. This is true down to 0.1mm gaps. Smaller than that and putty us not linger suitable, and that's when a paste comes into play.
Pastes are designed to be much lower viscosity than a putty, to be able to achieve much thinner minimum bondline thicknesses. This limits how fully packed they can be with thermally conductive booster powders (Oxides, nitrides, etc.).
@@snarksdomain Thats the great answer, because I was thinking about it, and that make sense for me as well. Like You said sometimes there are even 3 different thermo pads size for one GPU card, and even if You apply the correct ones, there is always possibility for the bad/not enough contact somewhere.
@smokehead5318 It's basically the reason I created this channel, and previously made posts on Reddit.
Oddly enough, I never planned on making a UA-cam channel, but a couple of my TG-PP10 putty job posts on Reddit initially got moderated. I can't quite remember the reason why anymore, and they've since been made public again. But it made me switch over to making videos. Sometimes, you need a nudge in the right direction.
I feel both text/picture posts and videos can help others, but the videos do a better job of showing how to use putty. I'll be making a general How-to guide soon, showing different methods of applying putty, how much to use, etc.
Thank you so much for you help and putty coverage! A quick question: for a vram with little space between the chip and the heatsink, would it be better ux siren pro+ 0.3mm copper shim or just the ux siren? Does this particular putty works better alone or every putty performs better with a shim in between?
For a thin gap like that I wouldn't bother using shims. Better just to use Thermal Putty. As for which one is best for your application, I'd likely go with something like CX-H1300, Upsiren U6 Pro, or Halnziye HY236/256.
"Upsiren UX Pro Ultra" is a bit stiffer than other putties so takes an extra step of applying some pressure during reassembly. Still a great putty, just takes extra attention.
*Edit: for the VRAM gap, is it less than 1mm? If it's closer to 2mm then shims can be a good option, but also risky if one doesn't take precautions against shorting something out. Putty alone is much safer, and tlusually achieves a temperature range folks are happy with.
@@snarksdomain do you say upsiren ux pro needs more pressure force when applied? In that case wouldn't a copper shim grant the necessary pressure instead the heatsink itself?
The particular vram was using a 1mm pad and was barely making contact
@Lucino198 UX Pro takes slightly more force to compress. This means it's better to use on its own, rather than with a shim.
Using shims and any putty takes extra precautions as force will need to be applied to help get full compression.
In my opinion, for a first time using thermal putty, I'd go with a softer one initially.
@@snarksdomain thanks for your precious advice. I've already got that putty so I'll use it anyway 😬
One last question, since it takes more pressure to compress, for a 1/1.25mm gap, how much should I use?
@@Lucino198 4.5mm to 5mm diameter log/roll.
Hey snarks, is the U6 pro as sold by MIddle999 still good?
Yes. The one sold by Middle999 Store is still good. Although I'm thinking UTP-8 will be a nice improvement over U6.
*Edit: There are also lots of other putties you can choose from. It's worth checking the pricing including shipping as that can differ a lot from country to country.
Hi, i've been using mg chemicals 860 on my rtx 3090 for a while, stuffs good but it's a pain to clean because it doesn't dissolve in acetone and entire gpu needs to be submerged in oil etc.. thinking of switching to mg chemicals 8616 but apparently it's more electrically conductive (860 is more than air)
MG860 doesn't perform very well compared to other available putties. It's on my charts located at the link in the description.
Best man
Hi Snarks Domain! I have a question. I have a gaming laptop i7 9750U and GTX 1660 Ti that I have had to reapply the liquid metal a few times. Unfortunately the thermal pads for the large GPU/CPU/Vrams/VRM's etc heatsink are damaged and gone. I have had a tuff time making sure the new pads fit properly while making sure the CPU and GPU fully meet the heatsink. Can you suggest a malleable putty I can roll with my fingers and that can compress enough to be sure the CPU and GPU touch? The laptop came with these soft almost foamy pads that I cant find. BTW I just bought the same Pink color version you showed us at the start of the video. Was that a good choice? I appreciate any suggestions!
Hello LostinMIA. Which putty did you order? The one from China or the one from Greece? Also, how many grams did you order. I recommend getting 50g for a laptop.
Feel free to check out the charts in the video description and also at my channel about page.
The U6 Pro from China is quite good and will work well for your laptop. There are several good putties that would work.
If I were buying an Upsiren putty right now for a laptop, I would go with UTP-8.
@snarksdomain3453 I bought the pink color version U6 Pro 10 gram. I will have to order 10 grams more then. We'll see. Thx for the reply
@@LostinMIA might just be worthwhile to buy 50 grams of UTP-8. Up to you. I don't think 20g will be enough.
@@snarksdomain Roger that
@LostinMIA probably not too late to cancel the 10g order.
Putting this and ptm7950 on laptop worried free ? Or need professional?
Does it electric conduct?
Neither PTM7950, nor Upsiren U6 Pro, nor CSGR U6 Pro conduct electricity.
When it comes to working on laptops/GPU's/PC, there can risks involved with the dissassembly process, including breaking of fan/LED connectors, tiny ribbon cables (FE cards). It is not something I recommend doing unless you are willing to take the risk of damaging your device. I would say that this level of cooling customization is for the enthusiast, or at least those that are comfortable working on this type of thing.
That being said, the actual application of Thermal Putty or Phase Change Materials (sheet), is relatively straight forward. Still, I'd not recommend doing so to anyone who hasn't previously become accustomed to doing things like applying thermal paste.
Products that do conduct electricity, or can create capacitive ssues include the below products (extra and sometimes extreme caution are advised)
- Arctic Silver 5
- Liquid Metal
- LMTG100
- Kryosheet
- Copper Shims
- Aluminum shims
- Indium Shims
- Indium foils
- TG-NSP80
- Carbonaut
- potentially more I'm forgetting.
@@snarksdomain I use k5 pro for my laptop, but ive seen the U6 pro so, according to you, which one would u choose from those two?
What putty has the best price to performance based on your tests?
That really depends which country you are living in, how much shipping costs, and the amount you are buying. It can vary a lot so it's hard for me to give one solid answer that is correct for everyone.
For instance, the seller I bought CX-H1300 now has extremely unrealistic shipping costs to Canada, but still cheap for other places.
@@snarksdomain Im in Europe. Yes CX-H1300 seems to have the best performance and lowest price. I can't find it in stock with the seller listed on your result list. Did you order it from any other seller on AliExpress? There are a few other sellers that have it in stock.
so putty doesn't affect gpu hot spot temp as long as vram doesn't overthrottle?
It shouldn't. Although if you use way too much you could run into core contact issues.
For cards with 2mm pads I recommend using a log that is 6mm in diamter. That's what I've been doing for each putty on this test card.
For 1.5mm pads on VRAM I'd go 5.5mm diameter log
For 1mm pads on VRAM I'd go 4.5mm diameter log
@@snarksdomain I am planning on using putty for my laptop, my laptop was severely overheated before, but then I opened it up and repasted it with liquid metal and now GPU is pulling 170W stable. However GPU hot spot still hits 100C, I have some putty on the way and I wonder if it would make a difference for my GPU hot spot, since I don't know how I can lower it
@@giangle2849 which putty did you order? I'd either go CX-H1300, Upsiren U6 Pro, or Halnziye HY256 for a laptop.
If it's your GDDR6 that is getting toasty, then putty should go a long way to fix that issue.
@@snarksdomain i ordered both ux pro and cx h1300 :), deciding on which one to put on mine
Will 20g of u6 pro be enough to replace all of the thermal pads on an rx 480 8gb sapphire nitro+
I don't think so no. I recommend getting 50g of putty. Be sure to take a look at the latest VRAM chart in the link in the description (Test Chart Repository)
@@snarksdomain thank you so much for replying, I talked to the seller (middle999) and they said that 20g will be enough but I think ill go with your advice, better safe than sorry.
the test chart repository is saying that i don't have access to view this file@@snarksdomain
wait wait. I had a hard time finding Upsiren u6 pro. I'm from Europe. I mostly only found it on ebay. The seller claims it is original Upsiren u6 pro. The sellers name is computer-systems gr. So I bought the fake one?
They don't perform similar at all.
If you're from Europe then you will have a very difficult time getting Upsiren U6 Pro. The stuff you bought is the greek version on the right (picture), and right next to K5 Pro on the chart.
You might be able to get CX-H1300 which is actually better than Upsiren U6 Pro. Just make sure the picture of the box has the 13.5w/mk box checked off, and not the 8w/mk box checked off.
Alternately, you could get in contact with Halnziye and buy some HY236 (Pink) or HY256 (Green) from them. Good putty, and cheap.
@@snarksdomainI can confirm its unobtanium here. Funnily i can get 20g of UX pro for 3 times less than what the shipping is for the U6 Pro. Warvank Cooler store(interesting name)
@@snarksdomain Thanks man. I have found the CX-H1300 version you mentioned, I will be getting that one instead.
brother, i have a nitro i7 11800h 3050ti , and i currently have installed k5 pro and ordered ptm. Now after reading all this, should i buy u6 for a big upgrade? or just work with k5 pro. i live in india and its hella expensive to get all these putty's from outside :( awaiting your reply thanks
There should be some good options for putty to get shipped to India. You will want to check out the latest charts located on the Google Drive (Test Chart Repository, VRAM folder).
If you do swap out the K5 Pro, be sure to take some pictures of what it looks like, and share if you like (perhaps on the Discord channel)
@@snarksdomain oh okayy will do thanks a lot .. so k5 pro is really that bad huh?
@offendedpotato3847 It seems that way, yes. It performed poorly on my hotplate test and the GPU test. I'll test it again once I get a new test card, but I don't think it will tell us anything differently.
Not only did it perform 35 degrees worse than the highest performing competing putty, it was also throttling the card at the time. This would lead me to believe that it would have run even hotter, but the card decided to protect itself instead of letting the VRAM run past 110 Celsius.
You will find many mixed reviews of K5 Pro on the internet, so I get some folks are hesitant to trust my results. I'd encourage anyone that has doubts to test K5 Pro on a card with GDDR6X and then test any of the top 10 putties, and show their HWINFO logs comparing the two.
@@snarksdomain oh i see thank you so much for your insights i will look for something thats available on my country
So which is best can i put this on my ps5 ram?
Which is best for you depends on price, shipping and availability (changes from one country to another). Check out the Test Chart Repository in the video description (VRAM TIM charts).
Yes, you can use Thermal Putty on the Memory and VRM's of your PS5.
@@snarksdomainthanks :)
Do you recommend only using thermal putty such as Upsiren or cx-h1300 13wmk on GPU VRM?
What about replacing motherboard stock thermal pad with either of those?
I would personally feel comfortable replacing ANY thermal pad with putty, even an NVME thermal pad.
As for which putty you choose, there are lots of good options. The right choice is different for each person based on price/shipping and availability. Access to putties changes for each Country. For example: Penchem putties are not available on Digikey.ca but are available on Digikey.com
Did you test any of them long term?
I've got around 3 years of testing with TG-PP10. I've used it along with copper shims on my 3090 and it's been rock solid for 2 years now.
We should know how the others hold up in the next few years. Hasn't been long to run into issues yet. I don't have enough videocards to do long term testing on all of the putties. Putty certainly seems to last longer than traditional pads. I think it's a safe play, especially considering that manufacturers are starting to use it too (Lenovo laptops, PS5, ASUS 7000 series GPU's).
@@snarksdomain Thanks man.
Qual dessa duas pasta e verdadeira, quero comprar 🇧🇷
o de Upsiren (China). mas na verdade temos opções ainda melhores de massa agora. Você deve ver se consegue obter o Upsiren UTP-8 ou o Fehonda LTP81, pois eles têm melhor desempenho. O Upsiren UTP-8 é um pouco mais barato que o Fehonda LTP81 atualmente
I can say one thing. Chinese guys shouldn't use CSGR's link on their boxes... Now I have a serious headache after searching through google and reddit posts. I think I am gonna avoid those 2 products. Any other recommendation for a thermal putty that I can use on VRAM and VRMs on my old RX 580 Nitro+?
Also, I've seen that CSGR now sells UX PRO too. Probably their knock off of the UX PRO from Aliexpress.
Lots of good putties to choose from. Feel free to check the charts on the Google Drive Link for the latest (Test Chart Repository).
Good point. Upsiren shouldn't have put the CSGR website on the carboard box. That's been off the boxes for a while now though, and both entities agree they are not, nor have ever been, involved with one another.
@@snarksdomain thanks for the chart. I haven't seen anyone give such an amount of data on thermal putty. I've subscribed to your channel 😀
@MirelRC Thanks! Glad to have you aboard. Where we're going we won't need Thermal Pads :)
I'm gradually trying to improve my testing when possible. The current dilemma being the 2 degree incrementation on Memory Junction Temperatures. It's something I only realized recently, unfortunately. The two paths forward are either use an AMD 6000 series with it's 0.1 degree MJT increments, or maybe convince HWINFO to somehow show 0.1 increments for Nvidia and/or 7000 series AMD cards.
Shelf life = 18 months? Do I need to reputty it every year or so? Or can I do it once, and never look back?
"Shelf life" for TIM's represents how long the manufacturer expects the product to maintain it's consistency/viscosity and can still be applied. This should not be interpreted as an "expiry date". In my experience, putties remain soft and pliable at room temperature for much longer. The TG-PP10 in my test card is already 2-3 years old, which is well past it's purported "shelf life", and still moldable by hand. I expect several years or serviceable life, but maybe even longer.
The stability of silicone based putties will predominantly depend on the quality and stability of the base silicone oil they use. I generally predict ones with a higher tempersture/flashpoint to radiant stable longer. Not all base oils are created equal. So some pastes that use low viscosity oil with lower flashpoints will likely dry out faster.
Top end putties, in general, end up being more resilient as they have a lower percentage of oil, as opposed to pastes.
Many of the putties I test ate fairly new, so it will be years before we know for each, but rest assured the community, and myself, will report if/when we notice degradation.
Examples of thus include putties such as Slice Engineering Boron Nitride putty which baked solid in ~12 hours of testing, and Subzero Seven LTP-15 which started to rubberized after ~12 hours.
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www.overclock.net/threads/beware-of-misleading-information-from-computer-systems-gr-regarding-thermal-putty.1809275/
The LLT forum deletes anything bad related to CSGR. Its not the first time they delete stuff about their sponsors shady practice.
@@kazuviking I've gotta try. Hoping the mods will follow the links I've provided them and see the information for themselves. I'm confident they will see reason and truth.
@@kazuviking Got the LTT post sorted for now. It is up again, in a different section (LMG Sponsor Complaints)
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🎵 iiiiiii don't want to sound like a jerk 🎵, but everyone knows that K5 Pro is probably the most overhyped underwhelming thing in this entire market. it's no secret.
so another Product from the same entity being underwhelming - sorry folks, i'm just not surprised.
that'll sound like a pretty hot take to the Companies that may see this stuff - but nah, sorry mate, it's not. it's common knowledge.
Your perspective is appreciated. I just get a lot of folks buying the wrong U6 Pro and then having not great temps. This video is my attempt to create something I can point folks to so they understand why I keep recommending the Chinese U6 Pro, rather than the one from Greece.
1:10 Glad you mentioned wearing gloves. I once handled some CX-H1300 bare handed once, it made my hands break out with Hives! Shit was horrible both my hands itched like crazy and eventually the entire top layers of the skin on my hands died and peeled off! They were swollen AF. IDK what is in these thermal putties but whatever it is sure as shit ain't good for your skin!
Likely the silicone oil you reacted with. Definitely worth wearing gloves when handling any thermal putty.
If putty or paste gets on your skin it's important to wash your hands with a mild soap and water.
Still not sure what the CSGR base carrier is, but the MSDS says the same thing. Wear gloves when handling.
Greek is fake😂
Honestly not so surprising once you read a lot of CSGR's replies to customers having bad experiences with K5 Pro. Seems like they just don't care about the end users, or thermals.