TIMESTAMPS BELOW: What is an NBA Hot Topic that you’d like to see me cover on this channel?? 0:17 Should Kevin Durant Be in the GOAT Conversation? (BRAND NEW) 4:55 Why Dirk’s Ring is the Most Important 12:48 NBA 10 Year Predictions 20:14 Why This Modern Era is the MOST Talented 28:28 The Most DISRESPECTFUL Snubs from the NBA’s 75 Greatest List 36:10 The Ultimate Basketball Team 46:04 LeBron Passing in the Clutch 55:24 The Amazingly Stupid GOAT Debate 01:06:22 Was Vince Carter a Disappointment? 01:14:12 3 Things That Annoy Me About the Basketball Community 01:22:17 Why the NBA is Not TOTALLY Rigged 01:29:21 Just Stop It, Gilbert… 01:38:08 3 Critiques That Drive Me NUTS 01:50:32 My HARSHEST Critiques Against These Greats 02:03:27 My Honest Opinion on Scottie Pippen 02:11:34 You Just Had to See It… 02:21:45 Nah, He Didn’t Quit
Great channel. By far one of my favorites. Maybe because I agree with 99% of what you say . lol.. But I hate Gilbert Arenas takes. His pod brings nothing to bball convo. 1st Kobe did great greatly benefit from Hakeem’s teachings. I almost feel Kobe working with Keem made it known about his one on one teachings of footwork and back to basket moves. Kobe definitely came with a larger bag after the. Off season coaching. Also I listen to Bomani Jones podcast with episode with Gilbert he said he creates titles and convo just for clicks. You’re right he’s a clown for popularity. Gilbert has always been a ME guy.
The Lakers did Rondo and Dwight So Dirty, they were both playing amazing and got benched. Dwight in-depth talks about this and I think it's something you should cover and make a video on and see if it's true. They did this as well with DeAndre Jordan. A lot of great players are being forced out of the league. I think it's because the league doesn't want good defense anymore and would rather be more WWF entertainment instead of actual hard nose basketball. It would be great if you covered this as I'm sure you will find more players they did dirty It reminds me of how they pushed stephon marbury out of the league.
I’m a 24 year old NBA fan, I’ve been watching the NBA since about the 2009-2010 season. Your videos are definitely the absolute best I’ve seen as far as NBA history and commentary on the game itself goes, which I know you mentioned is your main focus with this channel. I very rarely comment on UA-cam videos of any kind but I felt the need to give you a shoutout for how great your channel is and tell you how big of a fan I am. It’s also funny because I’m from around Boston and grew up a Celtics fan as a result, but I always had a great respect for the old NBA and was obsessed with MJ growing up and got me involved with learning the history of other legends of the game and honestly became a lowkey fan of your Lakers too because of their undeniable impact on the game. Keep up the good work, it’s definitely appreciated.
Man that's awesome, I'm older but grew up being the same way. I was born in 79 but I know who Wilt, Bill Russell, Bill Walton etc. Learning the history just makes watching that much more awesome. 😊 Edit: if you haven't, check out Pistol Pete Maravich.
This is one of the few best channels when it comes to basketball contents because of Jonny's objectivity and basketball knowledge. More power and keep up the good work. - From the Philippines ❤️
Undoubtedly my favorite basketball UA-camr and UA-camr in general. Your videos are top notch and you have such a depth and appreciation for the NBA and its lore. It’s beautiful really. I hope you get 1 million ASAP!
I learn literally so much from these videos, especially when you discuss you’re experiencing in watching the older ball era!! I’ve been wanting to learn and watch more of the old era, just never knew where to find it, but your channel is PERFECT!! Thank you very much and may God bless you🙏✝️
I’m 24 and whenever I’m on 2k doing a rebuild I always go on your channel and learn a few things🙏 thanks for spreading your knowledge man it’s always a good listen. Keep it up! huge fan of your channel.
I think the greats from all eras (60s - 2000s) would still dominate in this era. The non-greats from those eras wouldn't get a sniff of the NBA today. It's the 2nd & 3rd tier players that are better, not the great players. I think the greats from the 60s- early 2000s would destroy the greats from the mid 2000s, 2010s & 2020s. Winning was more important to the greats from 80s-early 2000s. Now business, friendship & health is more important than winning.
Im new to basketball and because of your channel i can really grasp the true essence of the game because your content covers all generations. Because of you, the 90s and early 2000s became my favorite eras.
I love the Dirk video. I've been a Mavericks fan since 2004 (when Steve Nash was still on the team), and I agree with everything said in this video. I loved Dirk, but I couldn't help but feel like he choked when it matters most and that his title window was closed. After years of disappointment, I couldn't help but have low expectations entering that postseason. And yes, you mentioned how they beat Portland in the 1st round, but something often overlooked about that series is game 4. Dallas had like a 24 point lead late in the 3rd quarter, and while it looked like Dallas would take a commanding 3-1 series lead, they blew it. I remember as I was watching them collapse, all I could think was, "Oh boy. Here we go again. Another disappointing early exit from the playoffs." But no, instead of folding, Dirk seemed to step his game up after that game, and where the old Dallas would have let that disappointing loss kill their momentum, Dallas bounced back and won the next 2 games. What happened the rest of the way was just Dirk playing out of his mind and exceeding all expectations, especially when they swept the Lakers in the 2nd round. I still thought that Miami would be too much for them, and halfway through the 4th quarter of game 2, I thought, "Yea, they're outmatched. But they went a lot further than people thought they would." But that 4th quarter comeback in game 2 was like something out of a movie. And the rest is history. You're absolutely right. Dirk went from being just another very good future Hall of Famer to an absolute legend of the game after that postseason and Finals performance. I'm gonna have that signed framed photo of Dirk holding the trophy hanging up in my house until the day I die.
Sounds dumb but I love these videos when I go to bed. Your intro is the great I love it reminds me it’s like time to listen and doze off eventually. Thanks for these longer videos
Very thorough work. I keep telling people. ALL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS have a top 10 offensive/defensive rebounder on the roster it seems. It's like the real X Factor. I'd always look for the best offensive/defensive rebounder 1st then best playmaker then best scorer/shooter in that order. To build my team
Love the detail in your work - I'm from Fiji and basketball is not popular but growing up in the 90s the reason I bought VHS about basketball is because of MJ then we're introduced to Iverson, Miller, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Kidd, Pippen, Rodden, etc now just loving the NBA - A Lakers fan and your vids is just in depth and making the NBA history interesting - so thank you very much
problem with prediction at around 16:20 is that teams are much more reluctant to have their players go for these records. they are way more concerned about doing the bare minimum with their star player to win the game to avoid as many chances for injury as possible. especially in the playoffs
Man...we had so much hope with the dirty filthy nashty era mavs. The west was crazy talented, just like it is today. I resented dirk for awhile, the best player on my favorite team, for getting my hopes up year after year, and failing every time. You nailed it bro, u always do.
There's no one in the GOAT conversation who doesn't take the game winning shot when the ball is inbounded . Make or miss , the goat is taking the last shot
Are you talking about Lebron or KD. Because Lebron has plenty of clutch shots while also having a much more well rounded game than anybody else in the goat convo. If you’re talking about Kd I agree tho
As usual, a great video. On Vince: I agree. Vince really didnt train well. He wasnt a dawg. He made it on the strength of his atheletic ability. When that was gone, he became a bench player and seemed real happy about it...Gilbert wasted his career also, soooo..
There’s been a big push on that recently. About a month or two ago on TNT, Shaquille O’Neal said he should be in the conversation, and that triggered a whole reaction. A lot of people actually agreed, ESPECIALLY younger fans
@@jonnyarnett thanks for the info. I didn’t know that lol. I firmly believe there’s a huge difference between BEST player ever and GREATEST player ever and most younger fans think they’re synonymous. I find myself being one of few younger fans defending older players because of this
KD is not in the GOAT conversation because: 1. He was never considered the best player in the league. 2. Couldn't win the title with the teams he played for other than the Warriors. 3. He's not a great defender, which doesn't make him as dominant as players who are great on both ends.
thats dumb as fuck. kobe never won dpoy, but hes in goat convos. And he needed the most dominant player in the league to win majority of them while bricking the most shots in history
When they were talking about Vince Carter: he wasn't bitter about Toronto because they traded him, he was already bitter there and it was well known at the time that he wanted out! Plus they booed the heck out of him every time he returned, that's probably why he went off on them when with the Nets. But then years later there was an emotional tribute to him upon one of his visits.
Just for fun, I came up with a starting 5 to go against your starting 5. Anyone with MJ is probably going to win, but here are 5 I think could at least compete. PG: Isiah Thomas SG: Kawhi Leonard SF: Tracy McGrady PF: Karl Malone C: David Robinson
Hi Jonny! This is an undiscussed topic. Perhaps because it’s too hard or based solely on statistics/record. If there is one person who can do justice to this topic, it would be you. Can you please RANK the coaches, past and present? Thank you. Wishful thinking on my part. Jojo, from the Philippines.
PG - Curry. Stretch the defense, secondary ball handler. SG - MJ. Duh. SF - LeBron. Running my offense through him as a point forward PF - Tim Duncan - Incredible defense, rebounding, and leadership. C - Shaq. Rim protection, and just dump it into him if we need a bucket.
Great work, regarding talent of an era at minute 25, I see your point but have you considered that the many rule changes that didn't happen to rhe same extend in Europe are part of Team USA's struggles ? Team USA seemed absolutely lost when Europe crowded the zone with no defensive 3 second rule. They also didn't get as many flopping fouls or landing zone fouls as if they played undee NBA rules. Doncic is on record saying scoring in the NBA is much easier than in Europe and living and coaching in Europe I can only agree. But of course you are right about talent level, just the stats in the NBA are inflated due to scoring being easier, the talent level is ridiculously good...on dribbling (with barely any travel calls) and shooting (without handchecking and landing zone foul) we have the greatest talent ever. What we don't have is great midrange shooters and post players. Yeah we have Kawhi, Derozan and KD whonhave great midrange game and Jokic who has a good post game but that's about it. And 2 of them are champions in this era even though their playing style is more like the 90s players.
honestly, I think you people are crazy to say todays league is more talented... HOW?! DEFENSE DEFENSE D! we aren't even playing the same game....I use to say its impossible to compare eras in basketball, I have recently being watching FULL games from the 70 80s 90s....and today. You can absolutely compare eras EXCEPT for this one.... The game is NOT the same without defense and without defense you can NOT say these players are more talented. The contention and actual physical defense, let alone the mental state of the game and players back then toward defense is SOOOOOOOOOOO VAST from today, there is no fucking way anyone from back then couldn't play today and I can NOT say the reverse.
@johnnyarnett I agree with everything you said about why players are having longer career spans. But I also think the style of play has something to do with it too. The quintessential example of it is Larry Bird laying out to dive for a ball that was clearly going out of bounds. Players just don't do things like that for the most part anymore.
I disagree on LeBron's 4-6 record criticism. LeBron's legendary status mainly came from making it to the finals 8 times in a row. However, he only made that because of playing in a very weak conference. This is why he was often crushed in the finals against the WC representative. In fact, the finals were much easier than previous conference series for the Spurs in 2007 and 2014 and the Warriors in 2015, 2017, 2018
It amazes me that Kevin Durant still thinks he can be in the goat conversation. How do you not realize you’re forfeiting that opportunity when you join the Warriors? He should have gone to Boston or stayed in OKC if he wanted that kind of recognition
Ironically, I think if he actually stayed and won more it would validate how good he was regardless of the move. If he kept winning and didn’t leave for the Nets
@@acrumpet1329 yup I agree. If KD had stayed in GS after his injury and face some ups and downs there everyone would of forgot about all the other things.
Insane work. I feel like you would profit more from making all of these story’s different videos and just more time into editing each one and put a little more info down on it. Your quality of videos is actually insane tho. Basically 3 hour video. How long did this take you to make
i upgraded my 5600xt to 6800 that cost 322dollars used - well it performs well without issue and looks like new - did i make a good choice not buying new 7700xt ?
Hot take: The 2011 mavs ring was more about LeBron underperforming than Dirk being great. Now ik this sounds like hating but hear me out, Dirk averaged 26 in the finals which was good but not crazy. What I mean by this is that we’ve seen some insane matchups like Donovan Mitchell averaging 30 vs the nuggets in the 2020 playoffs and still losing bc Murray averaged 33 giving him 35, 40, 50. Murray outperformed Mitchell so bad where it seemed like Mitchell couldn’t have done anything better. That 2011 finals didn’t feel that way. It took an all time bad collapse from LeBron for the mavs to beat them in 6 games. LeBron averaging 17 ppg on bad efficiency and playing passive is putrid. If he averages his normal 25 in the regular season they might win but he stunk it up.
Hey what’s up first time writing to you I’m not really somebody that talks a lot however it would be really cool if you do a video about who is better today in the NBA the American players or the international players who play in the NBA I bet you it would really be fun to do a video like that anyway have a great day and you would know me by my punchline TBC which means to be continued
1st team: Magic, Jordan, Bird, Hakeem, Kareem (hard to fault your choices there) 2nd team: Curry, Kobe, Lebron, KG, Shaq 3rd team: Payton, DWade, Durant, Duncan, Russell or Wilt (toss up) I would almost consider swapping Magic with Payton, moving Hakeem to the 5, and starting KG at PF, giving you one of the most dominant defensive teams imaginable... but I think having these more well-rounded lineups that work well together, is probably the better way to go. KG and DWade instead of West and Pippen are my only changes to your overall roster.
The Lakers did Rondo and Dwight So Dirty, they were both playing amazing and got benched. Dwight in-depth talks about this and I think it's something you should cover and make a video on and see if it's true. They did this as well with DeAndre Jordan. A lot of great players are being forced out of the league. I think it's because the league doesn't want good defense anymore and would rather be more WWF entertainment instead of actual hard nose basketball..
You are probably correct on many if not all of your predictions unfortunately. I really wish they would change the rules back. I want DEFENSE!!! To me, if any new player under these rules break any of Jordans records they don't cont in my mind..It's so cheap now a days with out defense in a sport that is supposed to be some what of a contact sport lol
Jason williams, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Dennis Rodman, Shaq John Stockton, Kobe Bryant, peja stojakovic, Tim Duncan, Kareem abdul-jabar Gary Payton, Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Anthony Davis, Bill Russell All time starting lineup
for me id have to switch up the second team completely, lebron gets switched out with Pippen, steph gets switched out and moved down to 3rd team for Isaiah Thomas and switch out KD with Timmy. 3rd team can be steph west lebron kd and bill russell. that would be a better fit in my opinion.
3rd team: Jason Kidd PG, Vince Carter SG, Moses Malone at center & keep Pippen & Duncan in their spots. Its best for the superstar to take the shot even if double-teamed.
Jonny what about the EPO accusations that LeBron has never addressed? He addresses every other topic but not that one. I'm thinking that it's not only him I think it's definitely possible that other players are taking EPO as well because they don't get tested that often. Extending your prime by taking PED'S doesn't really count. This is just my opinion and in the actual rules it's called an unfair advantage.
Durant has had a hall of famer his entire career. He needs two all stars and an all star on the bench to win. Bron needs two hall of famers and 1 hall of famer on the bench.
Every single superstar needed help to win so what’s your point lmao. Bron could have won at least 1 title in his first 7 years in Cleveland if he had any help. Or another title in LA if he didn’t have Westbrick. Bron won when he had help, what other superstar has won without any help? MJ had Scottie, Magic had Kareem, Kareem had Magic and the Big O, Bird had a super solid team, Duncan had Ginobli and Parker. When brons teammates played good he won and that’s not a flaw that should be used as a reason he’s not the goat. When he had a great teammate he won: both years in Miami he had Wade and Bosh, in Cleveland he had Irving and Love, and in LA he had AD. When his teammates played good, he won.
No one is bitter over KD joining the Warriors and assisting Steph, Clay, and Draymon to another Championship 🏆. He have not lead a team that he was on to the championship like the other great players did, that's why he doesn't belong in greatest of all time descussion, and he's had several opportunities to do it also on four different teams.
Its definitely hate for joining a Warriors team that pissed away a championship. A Warriors team many said could only win because the other team had some injury issues. Can't have it both ways.
Maybe its cause im from texas. But i remember the mavs always being in it. Like they could win every year. I dont think it felt like a disapointment. But looking back the fact he got it done 100% changes how he could have been viewed. You were very aware youd have to go throught dirk in order to win.The past 30 years Texas has been in it.
Durant hasn't accomplished nearly enough to be in the goat debate. 1) he only has 2 rings 2) 1 regular season mvp 3) never been a great defender 4) never even scored 60 points in a game and his primary value is a scoring 5) in order to get his 2 rings he had to join a 73 win warriors
Jordan beat pistons when NBA changed the rules - adding flagrant foul in that season - WHICH changed everything - No more Jordan rules - and making jordan unstoppable
ty so much. i knew they were taking enhancers. its impossible they didnt keep their wonderboy prime for as long as possible. its a money maker. every sport has done it and even Usain Bolt was on the roids.
1st unit:Magic Jordan bird hakeem Wilt 2nd unit: Isiah Kobe LeBron Duncan moses 3rd unit: Payton curry Rodman kg shaq Shout out to David Robinson and dr J
One point I wanna make point out. At about 28 minutes you talked about this era being more talented and that they may have help with designer drugs to keep theirs careers extended. IF that’s the truth then we’d have to old that against the younger generation of players since the players from the past never had this advantage. An advantage which a lot of ppl would even consider cheating. Like I said IF those designer drug allegations are true than that should definitely be held against the younger generation in this argument
KD could’ve been much higher up had he just won the 2021 chip. Either leading a team to a chip, playoff competition really matters, if not that, individual player stats would matter a ton to overcome what you didn’t succeed in the playoffs hence why I have Wilt and MJ soo high up.
I actually think he would be a bit of an awkward fit in this era. He would've worked quite well as a C when he was younger and still had a good degree of athleticism, but I think the Dirk that won a title would really struggle with the pace and space of the modern game. I think he could still put up a lot of points, but I think it would be at the cost of being a bit of a black hole, and getting kinda cooked in the paint on the other end. A player like KG would thrive much more in the modern game imo. He too would be forced to play C, but the switchability he would offer on D would be a nightmare for modern offences, and I believe he could've extended his lights out middy to at least having a decent corner 3 point shot.
Even if JR Smith had a better mindset, he'd be a top 75 player. He could do everything Kobe, Vince, & TMac could do, but he clearly didn't have the mind to think the game out. I'd argue between Vince & JR as the best in game dunkers. I'd say JR's top 10 dunks rivals Vince Carter's top 10 dunks.
Jordan's record stands today in the playoffs. Because when you get to the playoffs, nobody's trying to stat pad and break records. Everybody's trying to win the championship. I just wish they played that good during the season I wish they would change the rules so defense wasn't so hampered so we could have different players in today's game. Today's game is definitely great, but it's just not my game.
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TIMESTAMPS BELOW: What is an NBA Hot Topic that you’d like to see me cover on this channel??
0:17 Should Kevin Durant Be in the GOAT Conversation? (BRAND NEW)
4:55 Why Dirk’s Ring is the Most Important
12:48 NBA 10 Year Predictions
20:14 Why This Modern Era is the MOST Talented
28:28 The Most DISRESPECTFUL Snubs from the NBA’s 75 Greatest List
36:10 The Ultimate Basketball Team
46:04 LeBron Passing in the Clutch
55:24 The Amazingly Stupid GOAT Debate
01:06:22 Was Vince Carter a Disappointment?
01:14:12 3 Things That Annoy Me About the Basketball Community
01:22:17 Why the NBA is Not TOTALLY Rigged
01:29:21 Just Stop It, Gilbert…
01:38:08 3 Critiques That Drive Me NUTS
01:50:32 My HARSHEST Critiques Against These Greats
02:03:27 My Honest Opinion on Scottie Pippen
02:11:34 You Just Had to See It…
02:21:45 Nah, He Didn’t Quit
Great channel. By far one of my favorites. Maybe because I agree with 99% of what you say . lol.. But I hate Gilbert Arenas takes. His pod brings nothing to bball convo. 1st Kobe did great greatly benefit from Hakeem’s teachings. I almost feel Kobe working with Keem made it known about his one on one teachings of footwork and back to basket moves. Kobe definitely came with a larger bag after the. Off season coaching. Also I listen to Bomani Jones podcast with episode with Gilbert he said he creates titles and convo just for clicks. You’re right he’s a clown for popularity. Gilbert has always been a ME guy.
All you do is hate on Kobe. Stop lying and saying Kobe is your favorite player. You are so full of shit
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The Lakers did Rondo and Dwight So Dirty, they were both playing amazing and got benched. Dwight in-depth talks about this and I think it's something you should cover and make a video on and see if it's true. They did this as well with DeAndre Jordan. A lot of great players are being forced out of the league. I think it's because the league doesn't want good defense anymore and would rather be more WWF entertainment instead of actual hard nose basketball. It would be great if you covered this as I'm sure you will find more players they did dirty It reminds me of how they pushed stephon marbury out of the league.
I’m a 24 year old NBA fan, I’ve been watching the NBA since about the 2009-2010 season. Your videos are definitely the absolute best I’ve seen as far as NBA history and commentary on the game itself goes, which I know you mentioned is your main focus with this channel. I very rarely comment on UA-cam videos of any kind but I felt the need to give you a shoutout for how great your channel is and tell you how big of a fan I am. It’s also funny because I’m from around Boston and grew up a Celtics fan as a result, but I always had a great respect for the old NBA and was obsessed with MJ growing up and got me involved with learning the history of other legends of the game and honestly became a lowkey fan of your Lakers too because of their undeniable impact on the game. Keep up the good work, it’s definitely appreciated.
Man that's awesome, I'm older but grew up being the same way. I was born in 79 but I know who Wilt, Bill Russell, Bill Walton etc. Learning the history just makes watching that much more awesome. 😊
Edit: if you haven't, check out Pistol Pete Maravich.
love the work jonny
My favorite hoops UA-camr easily, thanks for the work Jonny!
Appreciate the homework you do bro, salute. 🫡
This is one of the few best channels when it comes to basketball contents because of Jonny's objectivity and basketball knowledge.
More power and keep up the good work.
- From the Philippines ❤️
Amen
Undoubtedly my favorite basketball UA-camr and UA-camr in general. Your videos are top notch and you have such a depth and appreciation for the NBA and its lore. It’s beautiful really. I hope you get 1 million ASAP!
GOAT is about willing clutch shots and inspiring multiple generations and lifting up the league. it goes beyond stats.
So Lebron
I learn literally so much from these videos, especially when you discuss you’re experiencing in watching the older ball era!! I’ve been wanting to learn and watch more of the old era, just never knew where to find it, but your channel is PERFECT!! Thank you very much and may God bless you🙏✝️
I’m 24 and whenever I’m on 2k doing a rebuild I always go on your channel and learn a few things🙏 thanks for spreading your knowledge man it’s always a good listen. Keep it up! huge fan of your channel.
I think the greats from all eras (60s - 2000s) would still dominate in this era. The non-greats from those eras wouldn't get a sniff of the NBA today. It's the 2nd & 3rd tier players that are better, not the great players. I think the greats from the 60s- early 2000s would destroy the greats from the mid 2000s, 2010s & 2020s. Winning was more important to the greats from 80s-early 2000s. Now business, friendship & health is more important than winning.
If you put them today as it is; YES, but imagine giving them a young body again they will adjust also they had a lot of in game experience.
Im new to basketball and because of your channel i can really grasp the true essence of the game because your content covers all generations. Because of you, the 90s and early 2000s became my favorite eras.
I love the Dirk video. I've been a Mavericks fan since 2004 (when Steve Nash was still on the team), and I agree with everything said in this video. I loved Dirk, but I couldn't help but feel like he choked when it matters most and that his title window was closed. After years of disappointment, I couldn't help but have low expectations entering that postseason.
And yes, you mentioned how they beat Portland in the 1st round, but something often overlooked about that series is game 4. Dallas had like a 24 point lead late in the 3rd quarter, and while it looked like Dallas would take a commanding 3-1 series lead, they blew it. I remember as I was watching them collapse, all I could think was, "Oh boy. Here we go again. Another disappointing early exit from the playoffs." But no, instead of folding, Dirk seemed to step his game up after that game, and where the old Dallas would have let that disappointing loss kill their momentum, Dallas bounced back and won the next 2 games.
What happened the rest of the way was just Dirk playing out of his mind and exceeding all expectations, especially when they swept the Lakers in the 2nd round. I still thought that Miami would be too much for them, and halfway through the 4th quarter of game 2, I thought, "Yea, they're outmatched. But they went a lot further than people thought they would." But that 4th quarter comeback in game 2 was like something out of a movie. And the rest is history.
You're absolutely right. Dirk went from being just another very good future Hall of Famer to an absolute legend of the game after that postseason and Finals performance. I'm gonna have that signed framed photo of Dirk holding the trophy hanging up in my house until the day I die.
This is a really great video. Good to hear someone talk about basketball that knows the sport
Sounds dumb but I love these videos when I go to bed. Your intro is the great I love it reminds me it’s like time to listen and doze off eventually. Thanks for these longer videos
deadass!!
I do the same. Right now actually lol. Nightnight
Very thorough work. I keep telling people. ALL CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS have a top 10 offensive/defensive rebounder on the roster it seems. It's like the real X Factor. I'd always look for the best offensive/defensive rebounder 1st then best playmaker then best scorer/shooter in that order. To build my team
Love the detail in your work - I'm from Fiji and basketball is not popular but growing up in the 90s the reason I bought VHS about basketball is because of MJ then we're introduced to Iverson, Miller, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, Kidd, Pippen, Rodden, etc now just loving the NBA - A Lakers fan and your vids is just in depth and making the NBA history interesting - so thank you very much
Fan since 5k followers, and I'm grateful 🔥🖤
I see Johnny i click simple😂😂😂😂😮😮 0:36
Wemby take was almost spot on! Love the takes!
Jonny back with another banger
problem with prediction at around 16:20 is that teams are much more reluctant to have their players go for these records. they are way more concerned about doing the bare minimum with their star player to win the game to avoid as many chances for injury as possible. especially in the playoffs
I love these fact parades. Thank you for all your research and editing. It makes for a first rate experience.
Thanks for the video!!👍👍👍
21:00 Agree, which is why I keep coming back, there is always something new.
My biggest knock on KD has always been that he had the tools in his prime to be a 2 way beast but never played up to his defensive potential
I don't think there was much of a need with the rule changes.
Man...we had so much hope with the dirty filthy nashty era mavs. The west was crazy talented, just like it is today. I resented dirk for awhile, the best player on my favorite team, for getting my hopes up year after year, and failing every time. You nailed it bro, u always do.
Jonny great video like always. Your team units were on point. The 3rd unit at PG i thought you would have gone with Zeke.
The real GOAT, these videos
Johnny is the Truth!! 🔥🔥🔥
I like the comic superhero analogy. Good point.
There's no one in the GOAT conversation who doesn't take the game winning shot when the ball is inbounded . Make or miss , the goat is taking the last shot
Are you talking about Lebron or KD. Because Lebron has plenty of clutch shots while also having a much more well rounded game than anybody else in the goat convo. If you’re talking about Kd I agree tho
@@TinyCat1015BS!!
LeBron is by far the least skilled player in the GOAT convo. He is the least skilled 'star' player in his own era by far.
Damn this didn't age as well as it could have. A wide open KD and LeBron...and well, we all saw who took the last 4 shots.
@@TinyCat1015 Well where was your goat in the 4th qtr of the final 2 games of the Olympics?? 2pts combined in crucial moments!! No Steph No Gold!!!!!
As usual, a great video. On Vince: I agree. Vince really didnt train well. He wasnt a dawg. He made it on the strength of his atheletic ability. When that was gone, he became a bench player and seemed real happy about it...Gilbert wasted his career also, soooo..
High quality video Jonny!
Granted I’m not on X much but I’ve never seen anyone put Curry in GOAT convos
There’s been a big push on that recently. About a month or two ago on TNT, Shaquille O’Neal said he should be in the conversation, and that triggered a whole reaction. A lot of people actually agreed, ESPECIALLY younger fans
@@jonnyarnett thanks for the info. I didn’t know that lol. I firmly believe there’s a huge difference between BEST player ever and GREATEST player ever and most younger fans think they’re synonymous. I find myself being one of few younger fans defending older players because of this
great vid man
If you chose to pay that much for a video game, you deserved to lose that money for being a boron 😂😂😂
KD is not in the GOAT conversation because:
1. He was never considered the best player in the league.
2. Couldn't win the title with the teams he played for other than the Warriors.
3. He's not a great defender, which doesn't make him as dominant as players who are great on both ends.
thats dumb as fuck. kobe never won dpoy, but hes in goat convos. And he needed the most dominant player in the league to win majority of them while bricking the most shots in history
Kevin Durant actually is a good defender
@@YoooAwp exactly
When they were talking about Vince Carter: he wasn't bitter about Toronto because they traded him, he was already bitter there and it was well known at the time that he wanted out! Plus they booed the heck out of him every time he returned, that's probably why he went off on them when with the Nets. But then years later there was an emotional tribute to him upon one of his visits.
Love your content Johnny
thanks jonny, just the facts as i like it..
Just for fun, I came up with a starting 5 to go against your starting 5. Anyone with MJ is probably going to win, but here are 5 I think could at least compete.
PG: Isiah Thomas
SG: Kawhi Leonard
SF: Tracy McGrady
PF: Karl Malone
C: David Robinson
I will take Barkley or The worm over Pedo-Malone.
You rock Jonny !
Hi Jonny! This is an undiscussed topic. Perhaps because it’s too hard or based solely on statistics/record. If there is one person who can do justice to this topic, it would be you. Can you please RANK the coaches, past and present? Thank you. Wishful thinking on my part. Jojo, from the Philippines.
Jonny the 🐐
PG - Curry. Stretch the defense, secondary ball handler.
SG - MJ. Duh.
SF - LeBron. Running my offense through him as a point forward
PF - Tim Duncan - Incredible defense, rebounding, and leadership.
C - Shaq. Rim protection, and just dump it into him if we need a bucket.
Larry Legend is WAY better than Le flop; Larry Legend won't give up on his team, le China will.
Great work, regarding talent of an era at minute 25, I see your point but have you considered that the many rule changes that didn't happen to rhe same extend in Europe are part of Team USA's struggles ?
Team USA seemed absolutely lost when Europe crowded the zone with no defensive 3 second rule.
They also didn't get as many flopping fouls or landing zone fouls as if they played undee NBA rules.
Doncic is on record saying scoring in the NBA is much easier than in Europe and living and coaching in Europe I can only agree.
But of course you are right about talent level, just the stats in the NBA are inflated due to scoring being easier, the talent level is ridiculously good...on dribbling (with barely any travel calls) and shooting (without handchecking and landing zone foul) we have the greatest talent ever. What we don't have is great midrange shooters and post players. Yeah we have Kawhi, Derozan and KD whonhave great midrange game and Jokic who has a good post game but that's about it. And 2 of them are champions in this era even though their playing style is more like the 90s players.
honestly, I think you people are crazy to say todays league is more talented... HOW?! DEFENSE DEFENSE D! we aren't even playing the same game....I use to say its impossible to compare eras in basketball, I have recently being watching FULL games from the 70 80s 90s....and today. You can absolutely compare eras EXCEPT for this one.... The game is NOT the same without defense and without defense you can NOT say these players are more talented. The contention and actual physical defense, let alone the mental state of the game and players back then toward defense is SOOOOOOOOOOO VAST from today, there is no fucking way anyone from back then couldn't play today and I can NOT say the reverse.
Yes i agree with you on Gilbert he has won anything but he talks about everybody and these men has rings
SUBBED
I’m 26 never got to see Mj but I did get to witness kobe. Rip mamba
I also didn’t see wilt or bill so I’m also blessed to see wemby and his career
@johnnyarnett I agree with everything you said about why players are having longer career spans. But I also think the style of play has something to do with it too. The quintessential example of it is Larry Bird laying out to dive for a ball that was clearly going out of bounds. Players just don't do things like that for the most part anymore.
I disagree on LeBron's 4-6 record criticism.
LeBron's legendary status mainly came from making it to the finals 8 times in a row. However, he only made that because of playing in a very weak conference. This is why he was often crushed in the finals against the WC representative.
In fact, the finals were much easier than previous conference series for the Spurs in 2007 and 2014 and the Warriors in 2015, 2017, 2018
Yeah he had the weaker conference but he literally made the finals 8 times in a row, that is still insane
It amazes me that Kevin Durant still thinks he can be in the goat conversation. How do you not realize you’re forfeiting that opportunity when you join the Warriors? He should have gone to Boston or stayed in OKC if he wanted that kind of recognition
Ironically, I think if he actually stayed and won more it would validate how good he was regardless of the move. If he kept winning and didn’t leave for the Nets
@@acrumpet1329 yup I agree. If KD had stayed in GS after his injury and face some ups and downs there everyone would of forgot about all the other things.
@@acrumpet1329 I mean its not even easy to stay on top for a long period of time, despite being the best team. To stay on top, you gotta have it all.
LeBron cant be in it either because he joined the Heat 🤷♂️ Durant and even top 10. LeBron is at least in the top 2-3 depending how u look at it.
@@zoominnboominI don’t see Lebron even close to Jordan tbh. He’s def top 5 tho
Insane work. I feel like you would profit more from making all of these story’s different videos and just more time into editing each one and put a little more info down on it. Your quality of videos is actually insane tho. Basically 3 hour video. How long did this take you to make
i upgraded my 5600xt to 6800 that cost 322dollars used - well it performs well without issue and looks like new - did i make a good choice not buying new 7700xt ?
Hot take: The 2011 mavs ring was more about LeBron underperforming than Dirk being great. Now ik this sounds like hating but hear me out, Dirk averaged 26 in the finals which was good but not crazy. What I mean by this is that we’ve seen some insane matchups like Donovan Mitchell averaging 30 vs the nuggets in the 2020 playoffs and still losing bc Murray averaged 33 giving him 35, 40, 50. Murray outperformed Mitchell so bad where it seemed like Mitchell couldn’t have done anything better. That 2011 finals didn’t feel that way. It took an all time bad collapse from LeBron for the mavs to beat them in 6 games. LeBron averaging 17 ppg on bad efficiency and playing passive is putrid. If he averages his normal 25 in the regular season they might win but he stunk it up.
I agree Gil What Player That Wasn’t Already Nice Did Hakeem Help Improve There Game
I love this channel and this channel is definitely one of the best on UA-cam only thing I’ll ever critique of this channel is the overrating of Wilt
I’m surprised you don’t have a million subs
It is criminal that Dwight wasn’t a top 75 guy was a monster his first 8 years
Hes alonzo Mourning 2.0 3rd tier player
Hey what’s up first time writing to you I’m not really somebody that talks a lot however it would be really cool if you do a video about who is better today in the NBA the American players or the international players who play in the NBA I bet you it would really be fun to do a video like that anyway have a great day and you would know me by my punchline TBC which means to be continued
David stern is the reason the Spurs never went back to back. He hated the fact that the Spurs were so good but pulled no media attention.
Klay thompson? Everyone else I'm on board with. But not yet, maybe when he's done he'll have the resume.
I like the moncrief and mourning adds
1st team: Magic, Jordan, Bird, Hakeem, Kareem (hard to fault your choices there)
2nd team: Curry, Kobe, Lebron, KG, Shaq
3rd team: Payton, DWade, Durant, Duncan, Russell or Wilt (toss up)
I would almost consider swapping Magic with Payton, moving Hakeem to the 5, and starting KG at PF, giving you one of the most dominant defensive teams imaginable... but I think having these more well-rounded lineups that work well together, is probably the better way to go. KG and DWade instead of West and Pippen are my only changes to your overall roster.
The Lakers did Rondo and Dwight So Dirty, they were both playing amazing and got benched. Dwight in-depth talks about this and I think it's something you should cover and make a video on and see if it's true. They did this as well with DeAndre Jordan. A lot of great players are being forced out of the league. I think it's because the league doesn't want good defense anymore and would rather be more WWF entertainment instead of actual hard nose basketball..
All time 15 man team, starters, 2nd, and 3rd teams. 1st team PG-Magic, SG-Jordan, SF-Bird, PF-Duncan, C-Olajowan 2nd team- PG-Curry, SG-Kobe, SF-Lebron, PF-Barkley, C-Shaq 3rd team PG-Isaiah, SG-West, SF-Pippen, PF-Garnett, C-Kareem
The 86 year against Boston was his 2nd year in the league in which he missed most of the season with a foot injury.
You are probably correct on many if not all of your predictions unfortunately. I really wish they would change the rules back. I want DEFENSE!!! To me, if any new player under these rules break any of Jordans records they don't cont in my mind..It's so cheap now a days with out defense in a sport that is supposed to be some what of a contact sport lol
Jason williams, Allen Iverson, LeBron James, Dennis Rodman, Shaq
John Stockton, Kobe Bryant, peja stojakovic, Tim Duncan, Kareem abdul-jabar
Gary Payton, Micheal Jordan, Larry Bird, Anthony Davis, Bill Russell
All time starting lineup
Very good 👍🏿
My children will see this soon
I’ll watch this later tonight when I’m going to go to sleep.
for me id have to switch up the second team completely, lebron gets switched out with Pippen, steph gets switched out and moved down to 3rd team for Isaiah Thomas and switch out KD with Timmy. 3rd team can be steph west lebron kd and bill russell. that would be a better fit in my opinion.
Kobe perfected his craft LeBron selected his staff 🎉🎉cheers 🍻
What does that even mean
@@TinyCat1015 yo brain doesn't have the thought capacity to understand
3rd team: Jason Kidd PG, Vince Carter SG, Moses Malone at center & keep Pippen & Duncan in their spots. Its best for the superstar to take the shot even if double-teamed.
2nd team frying the first one
Who said that Kobe's finals against the Magic was easy? 😅
Jonny what about the EPO accusations that LeBron has never addressed? He addresses every other topic but not that one. I'm thinking that it's not only him I think it's definitely possible that other players are taking EPO as well because they don't get tested that often. Extending your prime by taking PED'S doesn't really count. This is just my opinion and in the actual rules it's called an unfair advantage.
Durant has had a hall of famer his entire career. He needs two all stars and an all star on the bench to win. Bron needs two hall of famers and 1 hall of famer on the bench.
Every single superstar needed help to win so what’s your point lmao. Bron could have won at least 1 title in his first 7 years in Cleveland if he had any help. Or another title in LA if he didn’t have Westbrick. Bron won when he had help, what other superstar has won without any help? MJ had Scottie, Magic had Kareem, Kareem had Magic and the Big O, Bird had a super solid team, Duncan had Ginobli and Parker. When brons teammates played good he won and that’s not a flaw that should be used as a reason he’s not the goat. When he had a great teammate he won: both years in Miami he had Wade and Bosh, in Cleveland he had Irving and Love, and in LA he had AD. When his teammates played good, he won.
No one is bitter over KD joining the Warriors and assisting Steph, Clay, and Draymon to another Championship 🏆.
He have not lead a team that he was on to the championship like the other great players did, that's why he doesn't belong in greatest of all time descussion, and he's had several opportunities to do it also on four different teams.
I just wanna say, Dominique Wilkins needs to be in your lineup
Ahsmwm
1. MJ
2. Lbj
3. Kareem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Bird
7. Duncan
8. Wilt
9. Kobe
10. Shaq
11. Steph
12. Hakeem
13. Malone
14. Erving
15. Isiah
16. Durant
17. Oscar
18. Robinson
19. Cousy
20. KG
My alltime starting 5
PG: LeBron
Sg: Jordan
Sg:bird
Pf: Duncan
C: Hakeem
Bigs I chose 2 versatile bigs who can play of or c
Its definitely hate for joining a Warriors team that pissed away a championship. A Warriors team many said could only win because the other team had some injury issues. Can't have it both ways.
Maybe its cause im from texas. But i remember the mavs always being in it. Like they could win every year. I dont think it felt like a disapointment. But looking back the fact he got it done 100% changes how he could have been viewed. You were very aware youd have to go throught dirk in order to win.The past 30 years Texas has been in it.
Durant hasn't accomplished nearly enough to be in the goat debate. 1) he only has 2 rings 2) 1 regular season mvp 3) never been a great defender 4) never even scored 60 points in a game and his primary value is a scoring 5) in order to get his 2 rings he had to join a 73 win warriors
Giannis Breaks Kobe Record.
Luka Breaks Jordans Record.
Shai Will break one of LeBrons Records.
Just wanna help the video
RIP Kobe
we get it already. stop sucking his tombstone
Jordan beat pistons when NBA changed the rules - adding flagrant foul in that season - WHICH changed everything - No more Jordan rules - and making jordan unstoppable
ty so much. i knew they were taking enhancers. its impossible they didnt keep their wonderboy prime for as long as possible. its a money maker. every sport has done it and even Usain Bolt was on the roids.
1st unit:Magic Jordan bird hakeem Wilt
2nd unit: Isiah Kobe LeBron Duncan moses
3rd unit: Payton curry Rodman kg shaq
Shout out to David Robinson and dr J
One point I wanna make point out. At about 28 minutes you talked about this era being more talented and that they may have help with designer drugs to keep theirs careers extended. IF that’s the truth then we’d have to old that against the younger generation of players since the players from the past never had this advantage. An advantage which a lot of ppl would even consider cheating. Like I said IF those designer drug allegations are true than that should definitely be held against the younger generation in this argument
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Shaq was the most PHYSICALLY DOMINANT player ever, yes more so than Wilt Chamberlain
KD could’ve been much higher up had he just won the 2021 chip. Either leading a team to a chip, playoff competition really matters, if not that, individual player stats would matter a ton to overcome what you didn’t succeed in the playoffs hence why I have Wilt and MJ soo high up.
If Dirk played in today’s game would he be even more or less effective? His shooting at his size particularly from the three was ahead of his time.
I actually think he would be a bit of an awkward fit in this era. He would've worked quite well as a C when he was younger and still had a good degree of athleticism, but I think the Dirk that won a title would really struggle with the pace and space of the modern game. I think he could still put up a lot of points, but I think it would be at the cost of being a bit of a black hole, and getting kinda cooked in the paint on the other end.
A player like KG would thrive much more in the modern game imo. He too would be forced to play C, but the switchability he would offer on D would be a nightmare for modern offences, and I believe he could've extended his lights out middy to at least having a decent corner 3 point shot.
@@FoulTarnished47 thanks for the reply
@@FoulTarnished47 facts
1. Steph
2. Kobe
3. LeBron
4. Timmy
5. Shaq
This team is too good
Larry Legend won't give up on his team like Le Flop will.
Scotty Pipp would have been the KD stopper 🪶
Even if JR Smith had a better mindset, he'd be a top 75 player. He could do everything Kobe, Vince, & TMac could do, but he clearly didn't have the mind to think the game out. I'd argue between Vince & JR as the best in game dunkers. I'd say JR's top 10 dunks rivals Vince Carter's top 10 dunks.
Jordan's record stands today in the playoffs. Because when you get to the playoffs, nobody's trying to stat pad and break records. Everybody's trying to win the championship. I just wish they played that good during the season I wish they would change the rules so defense wasn't so hampered so we could have different players in today's game. Today's game is definitely great, but it's just not my game.