osu!mapping: loved -- a year later
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- a look at how loved has changed over the course of its first year. this video is closely related to another video i made a year ago, which is worth watching beforehand: • osu!mapping: "loved"
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loved timeline: mm/dd/yyyy
2-3-15:
577pp Kuvster TAG4: • Highest PP score 577pp...
2-3-15
TAG4 maps unranked: ask.fm/Tom94/a...
2-3-15:
feature request thread for this topic: osu.ppy.sh/for...
10-17-16
“Loved” announced: osu.ppy.sh/hom...
Alternative to rank (which is a chore for lots of people)
Promotes maps that break ranking criteria or don’t meet quality standards
A bunch of popular maps added to listing immediately (including deltamax, some spro, some arles)
Threads made about what maps should be promoted: osu.ppy.sh/for...
10-21-16
“Loved” community voting announced: osu.ppy.sh/hom...
First round of voting: osu.ppy.sh/for...
11-2-16
Ephemeral asks for maps to put on voting ballot: puu.sh/xh3mZ/53... puu.sh/xh3ny/a4...
11-4-16
Second round of voting: osu.ppy.sh/for...
11-28-16
Third round: osu.ppy.sh/for...
12-3-16
Community input on status of Loved: osu.ppy.sh/for...
not enough maps each round
popular vote sucks for good maps
too much time between each voting round
1-4-17
Fourth (final) round: osu.ppy.sh/for...
1-26-17
New criteria for loved maps: osu.ppy.sh/for...
100 Star priority, 30 favorites.
Submit maps through a form: docs.google.co... (this might have started after the first round, I’m not sure)
2-14-17
First round of maps from new criteria promoted
4-1-17
Second round of new maps
5-26-17
Third round of new maps
5-31-17
QAT (Cryptic) designated to promote Loved maps + “Love” and “Unlove” buttons in beatmap manager
Thread discussing fate of Loved section: osu.ppy.sh/for...
Everyone hates the idea of star priority dictating Loved
6-13-17
Fourth (final) round of new maps. only 6 this time
6-14-17
Ephemeral has a good idea: osu.ppy.sh/for...
dead
9-1-17
coffee hour
9-25-17
Toy makes captain's pick
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kuvster • Highest PP score 577pp...
maps referenced:
DM Ashura - deltaMAX by rustbell: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
Shawn Wasabi + YDG feat. YUNG GEMMY - Burnt Rice (Aiobahn & Jh-Anu Remix) by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
xi - Akasha by Jemmmmy: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
FujuniseikouyuuP - Invasion of stray cats by val0108: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Nico Nico Douga - U.N. Owen wa Kanojo nanoka? (Nico Mega Mix) by DJPop: osu.ppy.sh/s/5807
USAO - Chrono Diver PENDULUMs (USAO remix) by Skystar: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Blue Stahli - Anti You by thatguy0815: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
tokiwa yuu - shounen ripples by lahphnya: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Hanatan - Kagerou Variation by RLC: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
goreshit - looming shadow of a tree long gone by grumd: osu.ppy.sh/s/9...
LiSA - EGOiSTiC SHOOTER by caren: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
Memme - Chinese Restaurant by rrtyui: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
IAHN - Transform (Original Mix) by Asahina Momoko: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
UNDEAD CORPORATION - Flowering Night Fever by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/8...
Camellia - Introduction / NEURO-CLOUD-9 by Mazzerin: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
graves & MYRNE - Tiger Blood by VINXIS: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
MitiS - Movements Feat. MaHi (Original Mix) (Speed Up Ver.) by Fort: osu.ppy.sh/b/5...
Suzuki Konomi - Absolute Soul by Owntrolf: osu.ppy.sh/s/2...
Kurokotei - Galaxy Collapse by Doomsday is Bad: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
BABYMETAL - Gimme Chocolate!! by Rad-: osu.ppy.sh/b/4...
DECO*27 - Ghost Rule by Awaken: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
DM DOKURO - SAVE (Encore) by Kaitjuh: osu.ppy.sh/b/9...
WALKUERE - Ikenai Borderline by blissfulyoshi: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
Camellia - Chirality by pishifat: osu.ppy.sh/b/1...
Mamonis - The Sampling Paradise (Extended) by RLC: osu.ppy.sh/s/4...
MiddleIsland - Delrio by Dustice: osu.ppy.sh/s/1...
Guilty Kiss - Strawberry Trapper by Gaia: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
Eagle - Reflux by rrtyui: osu.ppy.sh/s/3...
Tokyo Machine - OKAY by handsome: osu.ppy.sh/s/5...
*sees own map*
"This was something players loathed"
I don't know what I expected
2:02 "Normal play methods make this type of gameplay impossible" *hears -GN laughing at a distance*
T A G 4 *DT*
TKILELE but -GN can’t aim those jumps
How to make loved better:
Don't let me map, ever
Friendofox I love your maps omg
That's probably why they're in the loved section, Alxan...
I still love Friendofox senpai tbh
Why can't they just use the star and favourite system but instead of automatically making those maps loved put them in a poll and let the community vote then
Loaie Sh Older maps can't be pushed then. Most of what people actually love are the old maps.
Why not the system that's about favourites? If it's not ranked/qualified/approved/pending and has set amount of favourites, it can be pulled by the system to first the stuff that's checks if this map can be loved through asking the mapper, and if he agrees make a pull for the community if they want that map to be put in the loved section. It would let game staff control if map can be loved, mappers if they want their map be loved and community if they love it and want it in the loved section.
As a "the more difficult the better" player I tended to describe the Loved section as "maps too hard to be ranked" to my friends.
I knew this wasn't the case but it's the most important thing about it to me.
My unrefined idea for the future of map sections would be to sort them into 2 distinct categories: Official and Community maps.
Official maps would include all maps that both award players pp-points as well as host a competetive leaderboard. This would mean merging the current ranked and appproved sections under a single name, and have these act as the games official content. All future maps to be added into this category would be through the ranking process.
(Qualified maps in my opinion could stay as they are, a phase in between being recognized and being promoted to official content. I won't make suggestions for its change here, as I don't feel well versed enough in its mechanics and community impresisons to promote discussion for its change.)
Community maps would essentially then be a rebranding of the current loved section with a name that is more representative of its contents. Community maps would not grant players pp-scores but would host a leaderboard. This section wouldn't be considered osu!'s official content, but rather content that is recognized and appreciated those involved within the game's community. All current loved maps would be transferred to this section and the process for maps to be added to this section would be community driven and wouldn't have to confine to current ranking standards. I'm currently optimistic for the 'captains pick' way of choosing maps, but I hope the process can be improved upon over time. Personally I'd want to see a variety different community figures promote their picks over time and I wouldn't mind recurring names so long as the maps they've previously promoted have been well received within the community.
Darkreyz how about the "Ranked&Approved" section? 🤔
it was already a year?////////
c9win hoyl there's no way it's already been a year
ikr
why compromise between star priority and voting if you could simply use favourites...? atm they don't serve any purpose. star priority already has a purpose in the ranking process, favourites should decide loved. That's essentially community voting, just in a much less limited way.
favourites for voting isn't limited at all since you can just unfav a map after it gets loved
I agree!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA
Juicy I actually thought you could have as many favourites as you wanted. But i guess there's a cap.
Anyhow. The entire point is that it's not limited to a certain amount per person, but it *is* limited to one vote per person per map.
You can just set a value for how many favourites a map should have to be loved, then make maps that come above that limit loved.
It could also be combined with community voting (e.g. the 10 most favourited non-loved maps will be put up for voting every week)
which is actually automatable and much more reliable than the selections we've had so far.
there's a cap of 100 favourites
Juicy that's not really a problem in my proposed system, 100 is a lot
Imaginary Places is the best loved map
Wait. A year? Shit dude, and I thought when it was 6 months it was crazy. I still remember the Loved announcement like it was yesterday lol...
so cool
I think there should be 2 if not 3 layers of Loved. 1 being really not that great NEEDS fixed. 2 being nearly there! And 3 being basically just the highest quality it can be or almost highest. (E.g needs slightly fixed or just a mode like TAG4) Althoughhh, I think they should all be classed as “Loved” within the game Osu! itself, so everyone treats it like a high quality level 3 Loved Map.
Idk. I’m not some hardcore person who’s treating this like the economy but I think something like that could be useful. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I have a possible solution to problem stated at 4:18. The equal favor towards every option could be fixed by having people rank their favorites from the list. So your favorite would get the most points, 2nd favorite would get some fraction of that, and so on. This could obviously be manipulated to give exponentially decreasing weights, or linearly decreasing weights if need be. Another feature of this is that you wouldn't have to cap the number you could vote for at 4. You could have voters rank the entire list.
Can someone explain why A Fool Moon Night and Imaginary Places are in a loved state? They don't appear to break any rules to be ranked and it seems like they're only in a loved state because they're really hard?
和輝Kazuki that’s exactly why. It’s so hard barely anyone can pass it, so most people can’t even appreciate them. Not like you would get much pp from them anyways, so it doesn’t matter really.
@@ethanmemelord2727 tell that to promethean kings/yomi yori/apparition
A Fool Moon Night is a shitmap and has difficulties which copypaste each other with major difference in *rating
Maybe each map can get up to five "points" from one player, one "point" for being favorited and up to four "points" from kudosu. After that, players can keep giving kudosu, but it won't affect their "loved score", so you still need up to at least 20 people to like it to get it to a score of 100.
Or perhaps 1 kudosu can count as one point, 5 as two, 10 as 3, 20 as four, and 50 as five, or something like that.
SOMEONE SAID TAG4?!?
That felt really quick, the fact that it has been a year feels crazy. I wondered if you could do a video about overall difficulty or circle size.
Well, uh, good news, he's done a video on CS already. No OD video yet, though
Don't we have the hype feature going on with Modv2 now? I mean A mapper can't just simply self promote itself by adding 100 kudos anymore and only 1 hype per person is counted (I think) .
- Also players can contribute to this because there is no need to mod to get hype like kudosu so both mappers/modders and players can contribute to what will get loved instead of mainly being just mappers/modders.
- It can still be abuse but having 100 hype and 30 favorite is much more challenging and it feel more love than 100 sp and 30 favorites since that is obviously more abused.
- since the method above can still be abused - it should be allow that those maps that meet that requirement - has higher chances to be voted by the community to make sure that it is truly loved - just my suggestion
bad grammar sorry :c but I hope someone gets my point
You could do a video about peppy's Osu! Lazer ideas (in osu! coffee hour Oct 14. 2017.) about changing the gameplay, like adding new objects (Hold circles) and having options like AR CS... for every individual object.
why did you edit out your 100's and 50's in your skin
I hope that eventually they bring back promoting maps to the loved category based on kudosu because I've personally invested in that. I got my unrankable map to 102 kudosu and 32 favorites the month that maps were no longer being promoted to loved, so it feels like I've been cheated. I worked hard on it and getting it the standards required for loved at the time, and I got no reward. idk
it's not supposed to be a reward, that kind of thinking is what fucked up the loved section
its what it was presented as in the loved map submission thread. An alternative to the ranking criteria, not what the community cares about.
shado tatatat that doesn't mean that it's the place you shove your maps in if you can't rank them, that means that if there is a map that is relevant enough to have its own leaderboard but doesn't fit the ranking criteria, then hey, we've got just the right place for it
I made the map because its unrankable. Its 3 key mania. Some people including me enjoy 3K, yet its not rankable.
shado tatatat let's face the facts: the community at large doesn't give a shit about 3K maps no matter how much you want them to
A while back I was thinking about this whole situation, and I came up with the idea that barring mappers from placing more than a certain number of kudos stars (say, 5) on a given map could also combat the "self-promoting to loved" trend. Kinda curious what other ppl think of this.
No way... It's been a year since Loved was introduced?!?! Jesus, I haven't played osu! for a while, and still, 1 year later, I still can't find my tablet pen so I can't play osu!. How unfortunate lol
More than anything else, I'd say the problem with loved is the *lack of loved content*. If loved had larger pools for more votes, larger interaction between the community, perhaps even a different form of competition than just a scoreboard (dare I say "unranked pp" shudder). Then again, that's going by the standard Approved set in comparison to Loved now, wherein Approved was for a smaller community that was very happy with it and Loved is for a larger community that isn't happy with the same approach. Then again, I'm also new to osu!, so all those thoughts could be meaningless, since I don't know how everyone saw Approved either.
Ok I know this channel is basically dead but, you should do a Bob Ross type, follow along, mapping tutorial
Christ, easy fix, just let it be a monthly open poll where any unranked map can be nominated, and the top 40 voted for maps get loved
8:24 handsome quality you got there
They should take the spreadsheet holding top scores on unranked maps and love them
Your voice reminds me of CGP Grey
8:26 THAT BAR GRAPH HAHAHAHA
I think loved is the more extreme version of ranked it can be a bay for ideas to share(aka in the ranked section) for example the recent probox map where he uses intuitive burai sliders or it can be a junkyard for all the low quality garbage (aka in ranked motonous jump spam)
Oh so that’s why touch screen was panned.
Wait... TAG4 maps are supposed to be played by 4 players on tag coop?! I didn't knew that.
1 YEAR ALREADY?? WHAT
ikr
5:47 hello there.
I really can't comprehend how shit like that generic Absolute Soul TV Size garbage got to loved status
Pishi should make an update on loved again
Mayday boys
So.. What speaks against using the "rating system" maps have? Players can rate a map with up to 10 stars. Let's say, a map gets loved once the average hits 8.5 stars (Across at least 100 votes), the map has 100 favorites and 5k plays? Something among those lines.. That would be player driven and would say "hey a bunch of people 'love' this map." The numbers could be tweaked, but couldn't that be the gist of it? Maybe higher numbers for standard, lower numbers for ctb/taiko/mania yada yada.. If they want it community driven, why not use the tools already there?
I get they wanted to try and use star priority, but in a way, the amount of kudos existing right now is just.. too much for that. The numbers are unbalanced, so obviously people would be able to shoot a crapton of stars :/
But I suppose I'm not the first one suggesting that kind of solution, so.. eh :/
Maybe the star priority puts it into voting??
6:52 - pishifat is dat you
8:23 best
Why cant they just use favourites? For example 150 favourites=loved
Is it possible to make a video about reading maps?
love nacht 100
loved*
I played a shit ton of tag co-op with one of my friends
it was pretty fun
what was the map on the thumbnail?
6:00 how do you have this download button in youtube ?
a browser addon for downloading videos
GIRI GIRI AAAAAAAAAAAA
Let's make the loved section the same as the former approved section is. :D
I mean, there are already lots of players who demands pp for their loved play :^)
Living Flower then why the fuck have a loved section if approved exists?
I still don't get it. If it's a loved status, why not promote maps to loved based ONLY on favourites
Mappers will just ask peoples to add his map to favorite, any map will find peoples who will be ok with it.
but I'm guessing that finding a large enough threshold will stop that. I mean, getting 1k favourites on a map isn't easy by just asking people to add it
x d Invasion of stray cats is 100% loved map in my opinion it now where it MUST be, and it have only 267 favorites. So 1000 is way too much.
True, but 1000 is a way of putting it. There are thresholds that, if high enough, could justify this method. I mean, can you imagine how many people didn't favourite Invasion of stray cats? If people are alerted to "Oh, if I favourite this it might get loved", then favourites might just skyrocket and allow higher thresholds, that can't be met by just running around asking for favourites.
Hello there
I actually LOVE the graveyard maps (get it lul) mania tho :P
how about giving people the right to suggest maps in the voting system determined by a point system ( as for the old kudosu system )? If its a shit map, it wont be taken into account by the player doing the voting or not be voted by the players. ( maybe give suggestion power to people who play a lot of unranked or qualified maps and/or kudosu? )
4:36 what is that map, looks fun :D
osu.ppy.sh/s/484896
Hello There!
cat why did you play bo3 recently.
urges
u dont even play w me shang fr wut is dis
what skin is this??
A Loved map should mean to be something way over a ranked one. It was made for gathering all those shiny, little pearls that were *too good* for our time to become ranked. People should be proud of their maps in Loved section, their dreams would orbit around making something so special, so outstanding and unique, something that would help them become recognizable, that would get in that f*cking Loved category. This section deserves a complete rebuild to start in a better light and with a way better rating system.
Althought most of the maps that are in this category nowadays are actually pretty good.
If a map is completely rankable, except for one entire section that is unrankable, can it get ranked?
uhhhhhhhh if a map is has elements that are not rankable, it's not rankable
Nope. One note can make a whole map unrankable
Naveed Rehman like a note overlapping with some element of the overlay, let's say score counter/life bar
Naveed Rehman a mistimed note or a poorly placed note
you mispronounced T A G 4
"players" = mappers, players are not likley to have kudosu.
pishi ur a flower
you sound like peppy for some reason
There have to be more loved maps there Are so much maps which Are not in LOVED
222 likes and 1 dislike..... damn
hi can you help time my map
TAG4 is possible in normal osu! gameplay
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