Why I had to STOP intermittent fasting...
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- Why I stopped fasting. How intermittent fasting has it's benefits but did more harm than good to my health. Should YOU be fasting?
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It is a very simplistic approach. Intermittent fasting is NOT simply calories restriction. You need to understand what happens to your body when you fast. It is not just an energy balance of cal in and cal out.
The main benefit of Intermittent Fasting is hormonal. IF (especially low carb) prevents and even cures insulin resistance, type II diabetes and many other chronic diseases! Human beings were not designed to graze all day.
You’ve never been obese, so your body has always had to have food as fuel to support and nourish your body. Being obese, or morbidly obese, the person has so much fat on their body, that they have a bunch of stored up energy in their body. Once your body becomes fat adapted, which takes around a month, your hunger/appetite drops an incredible amount. I’ve been obese for most of my life, and intermittent fasting and becoming fat adapted, where my body is utilizing the fat on my body as my main fuel source, has been a godsend. And like I said, you’ve been fit or malnourished, it seems, your entire life. Being 15 pounds over weight I wish I could say was my biggest mountain to climb, but I had to multiply that by 10. I’m assuming most of your clients are obese. You have always relied on food for energy and nourishing your body, I’m assuming the majority of people trying to lose weight have so much fat on their body they need to cut that food addiction. For me, intermittent fasting was the key. I have so much excess fat that my body had to learn to use the stored fat on my body as my fuel source. It took about a month of intense cravings, headaches, and sickness to do so, but, I no longer feel hungry until the evening. I’m an electrician and working 50 hours a week and don’t feel the need to eat breakfast or lunch. Back when I wasn’t intermittent fasting I was hungry from the time I woke up and had to eat and eat until I went to bed. It’s difficult to see people giving advice when they’ve been the exact opposite their entire lives, either malnourished or an athlete, and equate gaining 15 pounds in a year, to being the same as what other people have struggled with; like being 100+ pounds overweight. It’s on the exact opposite ends of the spectrum. If you’re fit, or hardly have any fat on your body, you absolutely need to make sure you’re eating the correct and right amount of foods, because your body needs food to survive. If your obese, or morbidly obese, you could literally go months and months without eating (just make sure you’re supplementing the correct vitamins and minerals that your body needs) because of all the stored up energy in your body. The key when you’re morbidly obese is to stop the food addiction and cravings; and for me, intermittent fasting was the answer. When I get to a fit level like Lilly, I will make sure that I’m getting the correct amount of calories and nutrients my body needs, and will probably stop intermittent fasting as long as my food addiction/cravings don’t come back (food for some people are as addictive as hardcore drugs). If my food addiction does come back, maybe intermittent fasting is the way to go for me. But, like Lilly says, you need to make sure you’re getting the needed calories and nutrients in that time restricted window, especially if you’re fit and have little body fat, otherwise your body will become malnourished.
Ketosis / fasting state is our primary metabolic state. Pure 100% meat based/canivore is the way
@doinkclown7020 looks like you cracked the code for yourself which makes you a success in life and you should be proud of that. I am familiar with most of the other UA-camrs Lillie flash-featured in this video. There is a lot of advice out there but only a small portion of it will work on an individualized basis. I am glad you have found what works for you. I feel like I am on the right path at present. As we say...life is a journey. Peace.
Yeah in UA-cam constant opposing opinions. I know enough now to do my own thing. I’ve learned from MY experience not from what the video of the week says.
I appreciate your post, @doinkclown. I found carnivore in February or March and started tiptoeing in. Although I ate a lot of veg and some occasional Ezekiel bread, I have never eaten the SAD diet (I’m from So Cal and my mom was a hippie). I thought I had long-COVID (thus the foray into research on anti-inflammatory diets) but eventually got to a rheumatologist and was diagnosed with PMR. Between being insulin-resistant (my symptoms tell me I have been all of my life, although I was not heavy until having my 1st child at 24 yo), thyroid issues (lost it to cancer in 2004 but I suspect I had issues for at least 20 years), and now that I am on prednisone … my blood sugar is elevated whether or not I eat, never mind if there are carbs. I will continue eating carnivore despite the fact I am gaining weight b/c I do believe it is healthier. But I also believe that once I am weaned off prednisone, IMF w/carnivore or possibly ketovore are the only things that will save me.
@@T-Bone5160 you said what I was thinking in such a kind way! Reading your comment this morning, 11-18-2023, made my day. Thank you! A fellow traveler 🌎 ☮
Lillie, it's so important to make the distinction between what works for someone with a lean body versus someone who's carrying a lot of excess fat. When Dr. Jason Fung first started to popularize intermittent fasting, it was for people with insulin resistance and obesity, which he found so common in his kidney patients.
The purpose of the fasting periods each day is to reduce insulin by limiting the times you are eating and triggering it. And one of the reasons to reduce insulin is that you cannot burn body fat when insulin is present. So by limiting the period when it is present, you give your body not only the need for but also the opportunity to burn it's body fat.
And because an overweight person's body is making up for the lack of calories in their diet with their own body fat, intermittent fasting does NOT lead to calorie restriction! Once fat adapted, the body will actually burn whatever additional calories it needs from it's stored fat - which is, in fact, what that stored fat is for!
With a lean person, however, there is no body fat to burn when dietary calories are restricted due to a limited eating window, and especially one as short as what you described. In an 8-hr window, it's still possible to eat what you need, and especially because the body will increase it's ability to digest greater and greater amounts of protein as needed. But no, absolutely, an OMAD or even 2MAD diet with a small eating window would only result in calorie restriction, as you said,leading to slowed metabolism.
So really, the problem isn't that intermittent fasting - or rather, time-restricted eating - is unhealthy in the long run in general but just that it isn't designed for EVERY body; it's designed specifically for those with excess fat that need to burn it off. (As well as to heal insulin resistance, which is another issue as well, lol.)
What you've described is correct. Intermittent fasting is not the same as Calorie Restriction exactly due to the fact that during Calorie Restriction Insulin can be still high if you ate frequently, and especially if it was ultra-processed food.
During Intermittent Fasting or as it's scientifically called Time Restricted Feeding (TRF) the Insulin hormone level after about 14 - 16 hours of fast becomes low enough for the body to switch to using fat as an energy source. With one caveat, that it also depends on the amount of glycogen stored in muscles and the liver.
Prof. Mark Mattson who is an expert on studying the effects of TRF on animals wrote an interesting book on the subject called Intermittent Fasting Revolution where he descried the physiology of fasting in humans.
Also, I suggest to check this scientific peer reviewed paper where the mechanism of TRF aka Intermittent Fasting explained very well: Mark P. Mattson at el., Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Understanding and Applying Health Benefits of Fasting., Obesity (Silver Spring). 2018 Feb; 26(2): 254-268. The link: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5783752
@@ScienceAppliedForGood Thank you! I, for one, will definitely check that out!
@@cherylh4688 I loved what you said here & am pasting it into my notes for future reference. Lately the whole nutrition sys is up in the air & I'm very confused with the lectins, oxalates, autoimmune,sugar & now have a digestion issue that resulted in Malabsorption so I'm going into carnivore to HOPE to heal this & decide on which way to go. It's really frustrating trying to relearn things when people keep changing their minds/info on nutrition. All I do know is that I'd rather learn here than go to a real dr
As a kidney TX patient, I appreciate you commenting here on this. Insulin resistance has recently become an issue for me, and intermittent fasting has been reintroduced to help. Good info right here...especially learning about Dr. Fung. Heading to research this now! Thank you!!
@@amyklingler6965 Oh, my pleasure, Amy!! I have learned so much from other commenters on UA-cam that it is always a joy to be able to "pay it forward" when I can! But thank YOU so much for letting me know!
And I don't think you will regret researching Dr. Fung. But don't go to the channel "Dr JasonFung," which isn't really his. Go to the one that starts with "Jason Fung."
And he also has a call line, I believe, and a trained staff for people who need specific help, especially kidney patients. I think you will find he is quite exceptional!
Wishing you ease and good fortune on your way back to optimal health!🙏🤗
I lost 70 lbs intermittent and extended fasting. It has helped me with my gut problems in a big way.
Yeah, for people with gut issues, I think fasting can be great tool. It's a way to give your poor gut a rest! It can't heal if it's always struggling, you know?
If you have to give your gut a rest then that means the food you’re eating isn’t optimal.
@@Divinia93Whatever is wrong and causing the issues, it’s not going to get fixed while eating. And sadly most of the food consumed today isn’t optimal.
@@someoneyoudontknow7705you need to choose optimal food!
@@Divinia93precisely...I've tried to tell.people this....either something wrong with the gut OR the food....if you have "pain" or problems that are only "cured" by deprivation then there is a bigger issue underlying.
Calorie restriction isn't the same as intermittent fasting. There is a new study that compare people doing calorie restrictions vs intermittent fasting and the intermittent fasting group lost more weight. Also autophagy happens with intermittent fasting. Of course calories matter, but intermittent fasting has more benefits for the body.
I used to do OMAD, then 16/8, and now I eat from morning until a few hours before bed. I am by far the happiest not being so strict with when I'm eating and have actually lost weight. What works for some doesn't work for others.
Calorie restriction is only a small part of why intermittent fasting works for weight loss. And yes timing does make an impact. If you go without food for 20 hours, your body will begin feasting on stored fat. It worked for me. I was obese and am now at a normal weight. I used to be a compulsive eater around the clock and finally feel like I’m freed from that prison!
I think if you can make sure you’re not under-eating, you’re golden.
no calorie restriction is the only reason IF works for weight loss
it's rough because most people don't understand fasting enough, even lillie is just anecdotal experience. you need to talk with fasting experts.
At the END of the day it's CALORIES IN, CALORIES OUT. To lose weight, you need to create a CALORIE DEFICIT, which means you need to burn more calories than you consume. Eating one meal a day with a CALORIE SURPLUS will NOT help you achieve this goal. In fact, it may lead to weight gain instead of weight loss.
That is provably false. There have been numerous controlled studies at the same calorie level where the group with dramatically reduced carbs lost more weight. This is for reasons that we all intuitively understand for mechanical engines, but some of us have a mental block where we think biological engines are magic.
Think about the mechanical engine in a car. We know intuitively that a well tuned car gets better gas mileage than an untuned one, and we can prove it with real life examples. That means 2 engines that started the same can receive the same number of calories, while producing different levels of work. A calorie is a measure of usable energy. The calories in gasoline are what allows the engine to perform work. There is nothing magical about biological engines that changes this fact we understand about mechanical ones. Thinking it can't be true for magical biological engines is theology, not science.
Of course, calories matter. More gas will make both engines go further. Calories aren't the only things that matter.
The body actually has 2 engines. They have different levels of efficiency and different levels of fat burning BY DESIGN. Glucosis is naturally more efficient than ketosis, meaning fewer calories provide the same level of work, so there are more extra calories to convert into fat. Ketosis is less efficient and directly burns fat. This design makes sense in a world of feast or famine. @@to-tx2sz
@@lrw0 please show one isocaloric high carb vs. high fat study that shows either:
a) any difference in body fat lost or
b) more than 1-2kg in body weight (we know low carb diet you store less water / glycogen)
Many heavy people only eat once a day. But 5000 calories is 5000 calories
Lillie, you've described my experience to a tee. I'm so proud of you standing tall and saying what so many doctors on YT won't say. I'm feeding my body now and recovering my metabolism. Thank you for your message!
fast correctly with dry fasting fellow carnivores!
Where are your studies to back this up?
@@irmasmith9066Who the hell are you? i responded to Lillie about what I said was MY experience. I didn't mention any studies now did I. Go away.
I disagree. When you are in a fasted state your body accesses your fat stores. If your are eating throughout the day it never gets that chance. So eating 2 steaks in a one hour period vs spreading it throughout the day isn’t going to give you the same results.
Watch it again..
She wasn't saying you won't lose weight her problem was she can't eat enough in the time. She is at her goal weight so for her she does not need to keep doing fasting. At a certain point you need to look at are you getting enough. Eating meat it takes alot to get the amount of calories. I also can not sit down and eat 3 pounds of steak in one sitting. So everyone is different. Fasting is not always a forever thing for some people.
Liesss😑
It works alright with steak, maybe not so much with processed carbs. Fasting helps me prioritise nutritious foods
I’m with you buddy! I’ve been fasting for over 10 plus years. My body looks GREAT! I think some of the industry puppeteers hired her. The Masters Of The Universe can’t make $$ off you. Buy the reduced calorie cookies instead lol. Fasting Works People!! That chick is a FRAUD
Thanks for sharing. My journey has progressed for about a year. I'm 54 and each step felt natural.
1) bad blood test numbers prompted a real change.
2) ignoring doctors pharmacy band aids, decided to go low carbs.
3) realized importance of adding fat. This was a struggle because of the brain washing basically my whole adult life.
4) craving subsided. Started intermittent fasting.
5) continued exercising. Mostly weight lifting.
6) follow up blood test after three months. Miracle! Everything back to normal! Lost 20 lbs. Gained muscle strength. Lost 20 pts on Both blood pressure numbers! (my doctor pretended to be unimpressed, still prescribing statins!?)
7) been tweaking diet, exercise and continue learning. Been about a year now...
I think the biggest benefit to IF in the beginning is the one of teaching control over your food. Especially for those who have been binge eating unhealthy foods. It allows you to practice NOT eating for limited periods of time and then eating healthier food choices for nutrition when we do eat as we adapt to burning fat. Great sensible video - Thanks!
I get what you’re saying regarding calories, but you’re misunderstanding fasting big time
This messed me up metabolically..once I started using a macro app i realized for YEARS I was eating under 1000 calories..between menopause and eating too little my cortisol was so high that I know I have adrenaline rushes..trying to pull out of this now. I was just never interested in food in the morning and now realize it was due to adrenaline being too high in morning.
I just finished a 72 hour fast.
Sheesh I forget how awesome it is!
During the first 24 hours without food, as your glucose storage is depleted, your body will begin to convert glycogen from your liver and muscles into glucose. By the second day without food, your glucose and glycogen are depleted. Your body will begin to break down muscle tissue to provide energy.
@@KAT-dg6el 💯
@@KAT-dg6elthis is false.
Hi sweet girl I just wanted to let you know that I do intermittent fasting and it has changed my life although I don’t look at the clock it was just a natural thing that happened. I was very sick with hypoglycemia /low blood sugar was ruining my life 😢awful!! and so I tried the carnivore diet and I just naturally woke up not hungry and then I can eat lunch and dinner like a normal person and then I could just eat lunch and dinner every day. I used to eat six times a day. so I have to disagree was quite a bit of this video. This is my only video of yours that I’ve ever disagreed with But intermittent fasting changed my life to where now I can go hiking and have fun. I don’t even have to have snacks with me for like 20 years. I was a mess, shaking, nervous if I didn’t have a snack nearby, I could pass out.
Sweet girl?
This video is for the majority of people not just your story. We should still do what works for us. The more info we receive, just like this vid, the better we can decide what we can try to hopefully improve our lives.
I really understand what you are saying because before IF I was an utter mess with my entire day being ruled by thoughts of food. I don’t need to lose weight so IF does for me all the things that Lilly mentions in the second half of this video.
I started keto because of hypoglycemia. The job I had at the time didn't allow me to eat every few hours which Ive always done. I didnt even know i had it but if i didn't eat every 3-4 hours I'd get the cold sweats, shakes and lightheaded. Of course the advice is to eat carbs/sugar every few hours to keep the blood sugar elevated. I switcj between keto/carnivore and don't eat after 6pm. I usually go 14-20 hours without eating and feel fine and my eating window is 10 hours so I get my 2-3 meals in. It feels great not having any symptoms.
@@AnneMB955 and you just received HER info to add to what other info you took from this or other comments who's info is their own personal story. What did your comment lend to anyone's betterment? -0-
As an Orthodox Christian, we have fasting periods throughout the year. Typically this means abstaining from animal products for that period, but it can also mean what it means in the health sphere of just not eating anything. These fasting periods are balanced with feasting periods. I think the feasting periods are just as important. Feasting doesn't mean overdoing, it, that's not good either. But I do think the balance between the two, fasting and feasting, are important.
The problem with the current generation of fasting is that people don't know how to fast. Religions fast sparingly and for short periods. For example Ramadan is 30 days of one meal a day fasting. It's not 30 days of fasting, but at the end of every night apparently, the fast is broken.
In Jewish holidays they will dry fast for a single day. Sometimes the Sabbath is a day of fasting in some sects of Judaism.
Today, we have people going on 30 day fasts who have crap health, and then coming out and refeeding on McDonalds, wondering why they are in the hospital. People take supplements like nutritonal yeast which has carbs, electrolyte powders, will stil drink highly addictive and highly caffeinated coffee... Its' insanity.
Plus, you have to refeed and eat properly.
Respectfully girlie, we may never know if it's the IF that caused that for sure and it's highly likely that it wasn't. We are designed to be able to go without food. Eating constantly throughout the day does not insure healthy hair. It's all about hormones and optimal hormone health is achieved through many things such as diet, sleep, exercise and stress management. Fasting in and of itself, especially just IF won't cause stress but is healthy. Extended fasting could be an issue for someone without extra fat on their body. IF is actually optimal for most people, 16/8, which was typical as early as the 1950s. Breakfast at 8, lunch at 12, dinner at 5:30 and no snacking.
You absolutely correct and I highly recommend people go watch some of Dr. Mindy’s incredibly informative videos. If people choose not do IF for whatever reason that’s a their own person decision if they do not like eating in that way. It’s definitely not for everyone. Having said that, IF has been proven from many studies that it’s a very healthy way to eat for not only weight loss but healing the body on a cellular level. It has also been proven that eating all day is not healthy because you are raising blood sugar all day long which is not recommended for anyone.
I love intermittent fasting. Im flexible with times. I fast 14 to 19 hours depending on my busy schedule.
I had to quit intermittent fasting because i have hypoglycemia. Basically i kept spacing out when people were talking to me and I had a hard time understanding what people were saying to me.
My anxiety was crippling.
When i wake up I eat. Because i was up depressed and anxious and eating helps me get that knocked out.
I just LOVE this analogy ... I can't stand 'waiting' to eat ... I gave up IF and focused more on low carb/extra protein and I'm feeling better AND I've lost weight!!
Love that liliie is not dogmatic about any thing. Always aproach all topics with proper nuances ❤ speaking of wich, latelly I saw alot of "dopamine detox" videos, as if all things that gives you pleasure are bad, I would like to hear you take on this. Love your videos ❤
Thank you so much! Also that's so interesting you wrote about the dopamine detox because I just heard about this yesterday. I will have to look more into it, thanks for the video topic suggestion! Have a happy weekend :)
what no one talks about with fasting is fasting kills off parasites & bad bacteria. This is vitally important for good health. These days very few people know to do parasite cleanses for good health. see channel vids on parasites: dr berg, dr group (he says 90% of US citizens have parasites but, the CDC never tells doctors this), dr axe, candida eric bakker naturopath, brenda watson road to perfect health. library will have books on parasites. look into this lillie and do a vid on this. Merck Phrama company states in their manual "all disease is caused by parasties" @@LillieKane
I did intermittent fasting for almost a year. It was stressful, seems like I was always hungry. Thank you Lillie for this video, you are a real and honest utuber!
I never jumped on the IF bandwagon, always thought it was baloney, yes our ancestors didn't always eat every day, but it wasn't because they didn't want to eat, it's because food wasn't always available the way it is today.
If they could have eaten regular meals throughout the day they would have, it's a survival mechanism not the fountain of youth.
Just because you are intermittent fasting doesnt mean that you are only eating one meal a day
Intermittent fasting and eating one or two meals is not about calories. It is about insulin spikes that come from eating. If you divide that steak into six meals your insulin will never return to baseline, it will constantly be spiking and compounding.
How high does your insulin spike after eating steak?
Research glucagon dumping specifically from red meat and how it effects T2D. Ref: Dr Ben Bikman
Oh yeah? Wonder why my cgm never showed that.
@@LillieKane Protein elicits 46% of the insulin response that carbohydrates do . So there is a spike …
I think there's more to it than just calorie restriction. I saw some more indepth discussions of this recently but don't entirely understand it; it has more to do with improving the insulin sensitivity which you mention. I try to fast for a day every week or two, usually after I have been eating too much and feeling like a glutton, I need a reset. I don't hold back on food when I'm eating, which is all day most days. Now I have cut out processed foods (except yesterday at work when they ordered free pizza LOL), but still eat natural sugars in fruits honey etc.; and eat lots more animal fat / meat / eggs. I have seen a lot of improvements with this strategy. Plus I do lots of exercise and HIIT every few days.
Didn’t you just watch the video?
@@joshuaamoroso4809Yes that's why I said "which you mention"
You are heading in the right direction with improving insulin sensitivity!!
Idk why anyone ever thinks it's a good idea to starve yourself
Lillie, you’re a breath of fresh air! Keep up the great work of keeping us informed!🥰
@@sophiawoods6748 what’s so funny about my comment? I don’t get The Shots!
It's not because of calorie restriction, it's because of fewer insulin spikes + ketosis.
People can eat fewer calories and gain weight if they are eating small amounts often, especially if they are eating small amounts of carbs.
I did intermittent fasting for a couple of years and it wasn't the best for me. First, though I stayed the same weight, I noticeably lost muscle and gained fat. Then it turned my mild periodic acid reflux into severely painful GERD. I went to a GI doctor and he told me to eat 3-4 meals a day. The smaller meals alleviated my GERD and I was also able to get all the protein I needed. I put on 10 lbs. while losing 2 inches off my waist. So, if it works for others, great, but it is definitely not for everyone.
Moderation in all things
I swear this is something Big Food companies made up to make people feel better about eating their crap “food”
I think it's important to remember that everybody is different. I have auto immune disorders and menstrual problems and ever since I started fasting the way Dr Mindy suggests I've never been better, I like the way she suggests varying fasts according to the cycle. I was always bloated before I started fasting even though I had minimal processed foods and focused on whole foods & I literally could not digest beef. But since I've started fasting I have minimal bloating and can finally eat beef again. But again I don't believe one size fits all. Some people thrive eating all day long or as vegans (both things that made me so uncomfortable and sick) it's just about testing out to see what works for you.
Such a good point! Totally agree .... I started intermittent fasting for gut health and it was the ONLY thing that helped my gut ..... then I found Dr mindy and WOW . I'm THRIVING with her method and make sure I eat great calorie / nutrient dense proteins in my eating window . Never felt better 🙏🏻
@KNC298 Awesome! So happy it's working for you too!
@@KNC298 I need to look her up, I'm having big problems with gut for 6 months now and have had to move into carnivore to hopefully reset things.
I like your balanced and personalized approach to fasting. I fast to elevate my ketones prior to chemotherapy infusions. Apoptosis (cell death) is enhanced when cancer cells are starved of their fuel source, glucose.😊
not just fasting will cause your hair to fall out, but also low-carb / keto / carnivore. While not true for everyone (obviously) some people will NEVER be able to stop hair loss until they regularly eat carbohydrates.
Personally I’ll do intermittent fasting kind of naturally. If I’m not thinking about it I average around 14 hours. If I am thinking about it I push it to 16-18. Crank out a 24 here and there. I’d like to try a 48 and 72. But I just never do it. I do IF hoping it will help with healing some of my chronic health issues. Even if it’s a very small chance. Plus I actually feel pretty damn good later in the fast.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing :D
Me too...trust your own cycle..I always have fasted but I didn't consciously do it..autography kicks in at 72 hours..cell regeneration..you can heal yourself if you trust yourself..I have..best of luck on your journey ❤🇦🇺🙏
Fasting hurt me too! And I’ve been on Armra for 2 weeks now! Can’t wait to see the results 🙏 I follow how you eat now except the glass of raw milk and I feel so much better ❤
You are not addressing the point that giving your body more time to digest the food you have eaten before eating more food does help. It's not always about calories.
I lost a bunch on fasting. Hair fell out. Changed my pattern, I focused on hitting protein macros and doing 16 / 8 during the week with one 24 hour fast per week. No more hair loss steady weight loss.
I say 1-9 is a good 8 hour window. That way you still can eat breakfast, lunch, and dinner. And still have 16 hours of fasting time.
Love that you are so flexible with your lifestyle. I eat 2 meals a day and I do fast one to two days a week. Because I have a more healing to do. I also change my food up ketovore to carnivore to lion. Summer I like a bit of vegetables and berries that are grown locally. Hollidays a little keto recipes for the bad stuff I refuse to eat lol. But we all have to do what is right for us individually. And for some its changing up or down. Blessings sweet lady.
Perfect! I love everything you wrote. What keto treats will you be making during the holidays?
@@LillieKane keto pumpkin cheesecake
Waterfasting completely destroyed my health. I did it for 2 weeks in hope my MS will go into remission. Today I need a walker to move. Fasting ruined my life.
To only blame fasting for your inability to walk without the help of a walker seems “interesting” .Clearly there are other factors that COULD contribute to your health deterioration.
Omad helped me get normal now I do 2mad. Carnivore helped me overcome sugar addiction.
Small frequent meals can only be okay if the meals one is eating do not cause a very high insulin spike or if the person is not a diabetic or a prediabetic. With these people, their insulin levels shoot up really high even with small amounts of carbs especially if the carbs are processed carbs and they do not return to normal as quickly as in insulin sensitive people. Hence intermittent fasting may benefit these people. However once metabolic health has been restored and losing weight is no longer a problem, especially when the person already has less than 20 percent fat mass, extended fasting may become problematic when as you say the amount of food eaten during the feeding window cannot supply the right amount of energy and nutrient the body needs.
I would personally use fasting as a tool not as a lifestyle.
You should read "fasting like a girl" - it talks about that we as women aren't suitable to fast like men due to our hormones. We can fast some of the time and other times - like the week before our period - it can cause toxicity that leads to hair loss and other issues.
Appreciate the nuance. No dogma. She didnt say do this or that she only spoke for her experiences and laid out the pros and cons. Impressive video.
Yeah I'm against it. It's a short term win long term lose. I did it for a couple years. It's just an unnecessary stress
Calorie restriction is dieting. Calorie restriction can do more harm than good when done chronically. Fasting is controlling the frequency in which you eat to allow your body ample time to do its job to cleanse, heal and repair. That's why after extended fasts you feel so good. Dieting can be fasting, but you're not dieting because you're fasting.
There's a lot of pushback on this video but 1. No one really knows her weight and health history and 2. Coming from a place even of fasting properly while obese, I can confidently say that doing IF for years and even ADF for a time, it wrecked my hormones and my metabolism. High protein and high quality sources paired with consistent exercise has had given me much better results.
As far as autophagy goes, I believe there is great value in that and I don't have an answer for that piece. Other than maybe achieving autophagy once in a while may be a better play.
One of the compelling reasons I've heard for IF was the reaction of insulin. What you're saying makes good sense though. I do think WHAT we eat is a bigger deal then WHEN we eat it.
Everybody is different. It's good to gain knowledge and try things to see what works for ourselves. We need to be aware of our own medical history as well. There may be underlying conditions that should impact how we individually tackle our dietary problems.
I tried many times to fast for health and weight loss. But I can't, I think about food all the time, I feel bad, weak, and then binge eating attacks me. Then I gain more weight and become more inflamed. Then it becomes a vicious cycle of worse and a lot of weight gain.
Thank you for sharing this for others to read and benefit from! It wasn't until I was editing this video where I was like "dang I should have mentioned that for some people fasting makes them think more about food and then binge". Thanks for writing this! I'm glad you have found what works better for you. Have a delicious weekend!
@@LillieKane I must thank you for your videos. They are of public utility! Thank you for sharing your experiences!
Control yourself.
Same. I always ended up breaking an extended fast with a binge of the saddest of SAD foods. I'd tell myself "I earned it," and other self-sabotaging nonsense.
Now I do fat fasting instead, and my cravings are literally GONE for the first time in my life.
@@donaldgrappo4526It’s deeper than “control yourself”
Our ancestors didn’t have access to this “food” we do, furthermore..food created to be addictive, attractive and yummy.
Have some understanding.
I love you & your content so much Lillie and I agree you made the best decision for yourself! Children, pregnant or nursing women, and lean fit people shouldn't fast, however I believe everyone else should! Fasting (intermittent & extended) + eating whole nutrient dense foods + strength training. I believe that is the best ways for someone who is overweight to lose their excess fat as fast as possible and correct metabolic issues. And once you are at a weight you're satisfied with, then drop the fasting and continue to eat whole nutrient dense foods + strength training for life. Just my 2 cents! ✌️
I am one of those guys that can very very easily eat 2500-3000 calories in one meal of good quality, animal based whole foods, high nutrient density, and still be hungry. I cannot figure out how to heal leptin resistance. But i had 36 years of eating terrible and the last 3 trying to heal. Im sure i did a lot of damage over the years. Last blood test fasting insulin was 6.1. Wish i could get it a litttle lower but has been difficult. Still about 15-20lbs over weight but i have lost 80lbs from my highest weight.
Lillie! My thoughts exactly. I can’t intermittently fast because I can’t eat enough in one or even two sittings. I eat 3 meals a day everyday. However, I’m not losing weight so something is going on. I also have Hashimoto’s. So if someone is doing everything right it doesn’t mean it’s their diet. I know you know this but others might not. Until my thyroid is behaving I’ll probably struggle. Is what it is. Thanks Lillie. Another great video.
I have Hashimoto’s and I am actually reversing it with carnivore!! I am eating two meals a day. I pack 1,000 calories into my first meal by eating fatty cuts of meat like ribeye. I eat midmorning because I start my day just drinking water. After eating 1,000 calories, I don’t get hungry until 6pm. I then eat another 600-1000 calories for supper. I drink a gallon of water per day and I do use electrolytes. My thyroid is now FULLY FUNCTIONING with no medications and my TPO antibodies are coming down. My A1C has dropped to normal. Everything seems to be normalizing for me and I have lost 33 pounds. ❤❤❤ Keep it up and you will see results!
@@naomimay82 oh that’s so beautiful to hear! Thank you for sharing. So when I was a kid my thyroid was radiated because I had Graves’ disease. Fast forward 20 years later and I developed Hashimoto’s. Because my thyroid is dead idk how much I can do. My thyroid level are maintain on 200mcg of levothyroxine a day which is a lot but makes sense because my thyroid doesn’t function at all. But I’m hopeful. I’ve been doing mostly carnivore for a long while now. I go between strict carnivore and animal based adding in fruit and honey here and there. I did recently remove dairy and I’m hoping that helps. I was eating about 2300 calories a day but because I’m not super active I’ve dropped it down to 2000.
I did carnivore from an AIP start and I healed a lot of things, but not my thyroid. Next added more fats (ketogenic), then slowly added veggies back. Now I can eat whatever I want, but I stick to a mostly keto diet, absolutely avoid gluten, soy, corn and cow's milk products. I have whole food carbs when I want them (berries, potatoes, rice, dates). This makes me feel my best and it is really obvious when I have something that doesn't agree. My TSH is still up and down, but I had a lot of gut issues as well and those are 95% healed. I'm hoping over time the thyroid will figure things out too. A year ago I couldn't even consider fasting. I was still learning how to nourish my body. A few months ago skipping breakfast started to feel natural, so I do it sometimes. I have now fasted 21-24 hours several times. I am not ready to do more. My goal is to finish eating by 7pm and eat whenever I want during the day. On non-work days I naturally enjoy breakfast around 10am and a lunch between 3 and 5pm. Both eat as much as I want. On work days I eat before and after work, with sometimes a small snack in the middle. I'm guessing I eat 1600-2000 calories per day but I don't count anymore. Weighing food and counting calories got so annoying. I pretty much just eat two meals a day but the week before my period I might eat 3x. Works for me. My clothes are getting looser and my body is changing. I probably have about 20lbs of fat to lose and I'm not in a hurry.
No. Calorie restriction is not the way to permanent weight loss.
Intermittent fasting is not about calorie restriction.
Keto & Carnivore diets are not successful because of calorie restriction.
Intermittent fasting and a carbohydrate-restricticed diet are successful due to a reduction of insulin released and autophagy.
I was introduced to fasting when I became a Muslim. I don't really know how intermittent fasting works but the way Muslims do it is from sunrise to sunset 1 month per year. I don't think we're supposed to fast everyday/every week of the year, it doesn't sound healthy nor sustainable... I also think our general diet and lifestyle plays a huge role. I don't think we're supposed to fast and then feast like ancient kings (which a lot of Muslims do) until one can barely breath. Moderation is key.
I was fasting to much and killed my gains . I eat carnivorous and eat when my body tells me to . Upped protein and now finally gain muscle after 6 years of deprivation.
You should definitely talk to Stephanie Person, she’s been saying this for a while. She’s totally underrated but I highly recommend listening to her. She’s got a lot of experience and wisdom to share in regards to the keto/carnivore diet. Please check her out💕
She is a beast! I have so much respect for Stephanie.
You think logically and based on experience, I like that.
Intermittent fasting became a bandwagon for health gurus - mainly rolling next to weight loss wagon, much like keto.
I found fasting say once a month or two helps cleanse the gut and helps mitochondria 🙂
Very clear and helpful video. There is so much confusing info out there about IF. Doesn't work for me, makes me binge and destroyed my metabolism.
If you want to lose weight the best way is probably to cut all sugar. And keep your carbs lowish as well. So no pasta sauce with added sugar, for instance.
People are sugar addicts, and they got fat when we switched out fat for sugar and carbs.
" Destroy(ed) My Health " Are You KIDDING Me ? You're The Picture Of Health ! Hyperbole Will / Has Destroyed Your Credibility However.
I was going to ask you if you had researched colostrum. And bam 💥 here it was!?! I love ARMRA colostrum. It has been a game changer in my health. ❤ Elle
Aww yay! We are on the same wavelength. It's been really helping my scalp I think! The only other thing I have changed is I've been writing in a gratitude journal every morning which may be helping reduce some stress which I wouldn't be surprised if my dandruff is related to stress...so it's either the colostrum or the journaling. Or both! Have a beautiful day my friend :)
You continue to hit it out of the ballpark (baseball metaphor) with every video. Excellent information and very entertaining presentation.
Several years ago when I was big on autophagy, I would do the 60 hours weekend fast (Fri dinner and break on Mon breakfast). I did 153 weekends for a cumulative of 153 x 60 = 9180 hours divided by 24 = 382 days. I ended the series in Aug 2021. Right now I'm neutral on fasting but I wouldn't fast past 48 hours (Fri dinner and break on Sun dinner for example). I see that Mike Mitzel (High Intensity Health) is throttling back on fasting for fear of losing muscle. The world record for continuous fasting is 392 days, so my cumulative number is close. Like I said, I'm neutral but keep it under 48 hours is better for anyone who wants to fast, is my opinion.
@15:14 that 400-calorie deficit only really works (long-term) is if one is eating real food with emphasis on proteins & fats (like the foods you have in that picture) so as to keep insulin low. Just restricting calories while still eating ultra-processed junk is keeping insulin high (blocks access to fat stores) and is proven to not work long-term (why 99% of these so-called lower-calorie "diets" are a major failure since they only focus on calories but forget to account for hormones!). 🤦
You have a lot of good info in this video. However, I must agree with those who point out that you've never been severely overweight. For instance, a 14-day water fast can be a great thing for autophagy, resting your gut and liver, allowing toxins to process out of your body, etc.
That is, unless the person has very little body fat. Then, it is going to do damage, as the body starts cannibalizing muscle and other important tissue.
I would say that Intermittent Fasting is probably a valid alternative until about the last 20 lbs or so, unless you can get all the calories you need in one meal (which I can). At that point, it's called "get your butt into the gym and lift heavy weights." It doesn't have to be stupidly heavy; it just can't be 5 lb weights 200 times. Exercising for tone won't get it; you have to _put on muscle_ in order to chase away those last few pounds.
Thank you for addressing the people who gain weight intermittent fasting. I’m one of those people. I’ve brought this up quite a few times on other fasting videos and everyone doesn’t believe that I’m fasting if I’m gaining weight. They all say that’s not possible.
I put a lot of water weight when I eat a lot of fruits ... even when fasting.
When I stop eating fruits, my weight gets back to normal.
We don't fast to lose weight .
We do it for health benefits.
The loss of weight happens as a side effect.
@@zofiaskokowska6816 well I mean yes I do it for the health benefits too. I’ve done it for 6 months. If it was only about weight loss I’d have stopped after the first month. And no I never did get the side effect of losing weight even after 6 months of doing it.
@@zofiaskokowska6816 in addition losing weight for me is health benefits. It’s not healthy for me to be 50 pounds overweight.
I’m similar to you in that fasting doesn’t do it for me. It’s definitely better for me to have multiple meals a day that aren’t too large. But there are so many that believe everyone should do IF/EF, and that’s just not true. But it’s just like you said, people aren’t realizing it’s the calorie restriction at play for what they’re seeking. I also think that could be the reason why many experience the rebound and never really learn how to overcome it.
why I always say we have to each find out own path and journey
I feel worse with meals spread out and not as much energy :)
5'11" 178 lbs 60 years old OMAD works for me and can't do 2MAD :)
when I do spread them out that hunger never goes away and I end up over eating and not feeling good
been carnivore 4 years lost over 100 lbs and last 3 years maintained that 178 lbs of my 20s and 30s :)
we each need to find our own path and do what works for US by testing on ourselves and trying everything its the only way to know for sure
but intermittent fasting does not have to be calorie restriction of course
under eating is not good and is easy on carnivore or keto style
over eating is not good and can also be done on carnivore or keto style
test test and test again find your optimum :)
I only eat two meals a day. 1st meal at about 10am and second meal at around 5pm. then nothing till the next day so I unintentionally intermittent fast 16/17 hours everyday. However, I don't feel like I'm in a calorie deficit as I'm not eating at any other times as I'm just not hungry. The two meals I have had keep me satiated. I eat Carnivore btw, made the change 6 weeks ago to full carnivore and have never felt better in my life.
I was eating 2200 calories/day and not losing weight. I'm 6'5" and 265 pounds. My body temp is 97 degrees. My heart rate is under 60 when it was almost 100 before I lost 40 pounds. Got my T3 tested and it was 71 which is normal but 70 would be below. It's very hard to lose weight with low T3. My testosterone is below the normal range as well. I've been eating this diet for a year and I've lost 5 pounds when I should have been losing about 20-30 pounds. Undereating for long periods of time will make your weight lose slower. From what I've seen we should aim for 15% calorie reduction for maintained weight loss.
Lillie, I love your channel! My philosophy on eating, food choices, weight loss, etc. closely mirror yours. I've tried just about every diet out there and they all worked...at first. They worked because I was motivated and intentional in my eating and it usually involved eliminating junk food. But mostly they all involved cutting calories, even with IF. When I first started IF I thought I'd found the Holy Grail of weight loss. I initially lost about 40 pounds, but then I gradually started gaining weight. I couldn't figure out what went wrong. Then I saw another UA-cam channel video about my specific dilemma and it suggested weighing my food and counting calories. When I did that I realized that I was overeating on my non-fasting days. I was doing the Eat Stop Eat method of two 24 hour fasts per week and I rationalized that I could overeat on my non- fasting days, but on a weekly basis I had crept into a calorie surplus. I started weighing my food and tracking my calories with cronometer and now I've maintained an over 60 lb weight loss for almost 6 years. I mostly eat an animal based diet because I can't tolerate high FODMAP foods due to IBS and I usually avoid high oxalate foods due to joint pain, but I'm not obsessive about it and I enjoy treats on special occasions like birthdays, holidays, vacation, etc. I rarely fast anymore, just an occasional 16-18 hour fast if I'm busy or traveling.
I totally understand why you would not have to intermittent fast. Of course, not, you don't have weight to lose at all. So fasting is not necessary for you at all. But for those of us who have a lot of weight to lose, it is a very good way to do it.
Hey lillie,
aren't you a bit mistaken about saying "intermittent fasting is nothing more than calorie restriction"? Because evidence cleary shows that the body gets into a state of ketosis after about 12 hours of fasting.
I'm a huge fan btw ^^.
Hey Joe! You're right, if someone doesn't eat, they will go in ketosis, just like how everyone goes into ketosis each night when they sleep. I suppose the question is, why does the person want to go into ketosis? If the person's goal is to lose weight, they don't have to fast (be in ketosis for several hours a day) to lose weight. If the persons goal for wanting to be in ketosis is because they believe it has longevity benefits, again, if they eat processed junk food during their eating window, I would still think someone would have more longevity eating multiple times a day healthy food, versus eating junk food in a condensed eating window even though they are in ketosis. And even still, you can be in ketosis eating multiple times a day. If you eat a high fat, low carb (ketogenic diet) then you can eat all day and be in ketosis :)
I read of a study (I need to start keeping a list) where the subjects were divided into two groups: calorie restricted, and keto. The calorie restricted group had a coaching session each week to make sure they were staying on the prescribed (say) 1600 calories/day. The keto group was given instructions on what to eat and had their urine tested weekly for ketones. No expensive coaching. At the end of a certain period (maybe one month) the groups were switched. The low-carb group experienced no hunger or cravings, which were problems for the low cal group (a study is needed to discover that?). The keto group automatically reduced their caloric intake to around 1600 cal/day with no coaching. The low cal group required constant monitoring to assure compliance with the prescribed diet.
I'm not saying that you should eat less than your body requires for years on end, but you must be realistic about your goals and stop under-eating when you reach that goal. but that doesn't mean that you have to go back to the SAD that made you fat in the first place.
Dr. Atkins had a rule: As long as the "keto system' (my term) is burning fat, you will feel sharp and energized. When the fat is used up and you start to burn protein, you will start feeling bad on the diet. That's when you 'break keto' and increase carb intake. Our bodies are DESIGNED to access its fuel in a certain hierarchy when there is no food. First to go (the first three days) is the stored starch, or glycogen. This also causes water to be lost. But it's not true that all you lose on keto is water. After keto is established, there is no "stored water" to lose. Second to go is stored fat. The first of these (in my experience) is belly or visceral fat, then the subcutaneous fat. IOW, you lose your 'beer belly' and then your 'love handles'. You feel good, your pants begin to fit again. The belt goes to the third hole. AND YOU ARE NOT HUNGRY as the pounds melt away. In the words of Justin Wilson, "I garonteee."
If it weren't for ketosis, when the glycogen ran out, we'd simply die. The breakdown of fat (ketosis) gives us the energy to find another meal - even if it takes a few days.
According to what I read, when insulin is high you cannot mobilize/utilize stored fat. Lillie's constant eating protocol keeps insulin high all day.
The Biggest Loser study: Several years after one class had finished their stint with severe calorie restriction and over-exercising, they were found to still be suffering from the effects of slowed metabolism due to their calorie-restricted diet. The exercise didn't keep the slow-down from happening. Most/Many had regained a substantial portion of the lost weight, if not more.
This might be the greatest video on fasting ever created.
Wow, what a huge compliment! Thank you so much
3:39 that might be true for Lilly's body but it is not true for every body. Time restrocted eating is NOT just about calorie restriction. It is allowing the body to tap into its deeper stores of energy (fat) that it cannot have access too if you eat something that raises blood sugar. People who are overweight or diabetic might have high spikes of blood sugar from protein.
I truly am happy that you have found that fasting doesnt work for you but it totally works for others. Love your content over all!
Thank you!!!!! Lol finally someone speaking logic! Lillie you are my hero!
HeeHee you just brought a huge smile to my day. Have a great weekend!
I think most of the advocates also recommend changing food , not fasting to try to undo bad food.
And most I have heard also say it is a natural caloric restriction technique. I think changing it up is a good way to do it. Sometimes 12 hours , sometimes 16-18 , nothing rigid. Works for me because I don’t like eating early or very late.
Yes, I keep hearing the key is changing it up. Doing the same thing every day doesn't challenge the metabolism and under eating every day lowers your metabolism. Having feast days vs IF vs fasting.
I totally disagree with you that a 2,000 calorie intake in one meal is the same as when taken over six meals. You burn more calories when you eat the six meals then eating the same amount of food as one meal. Your body becomes less efficient trying to process the six meals which means more calories are being burned. Consider driving your car a few blocks and stopping repeatedly until you go one mile verses going the full one mile without stopping. Which uses more energy?
Right in there with you. I have practiced this for over 10 years. In my 50s running daily and competing in races from 5k to 15k. Plus working highly physical jobs. I think about it now. I must have been off my rocker. Once I started eating 3 times a day. Low and behold I started feeling better in every way. And I never did it for weight loss anyway. I'm at the same weight I was at my H.S. Graduation. 6"1 180. Now at age 61, and still running hiking and racing. If anything I eat more than ever. I believe if you have a fast metabolism and are very active. Fasting most likely is not a good idea.
Well, it depends upon what eat. I don't intermittent fast some days. I don't think there is a cookie cutter one size fits all. I feel better eating two meals in a 6 to 8 hours.
I disagree too, your body needs a rest to repair the cells. I love it and as long as you don’t go too long it’s good for you. Everyone is different, you do you.
Lillie i did fasting for 18 months straight ane j was a skinny guy,no strengths.
I wenr full carnivore a d had explosive energy and mental clarity for a while.
Endgame is this: we alter our diet seasonally as i like my Xmas Dinner and pudding. I stilp fit in my small jeans as i don't eat bread, pasta and rice. I love a beer or 2. Wht not. Life is too short just to be fixated about our weight.
Some poor fatties need guidance as i did. But fasting did not cure my arthritic joints.
I just eat when I'm hungry. Sometimes I wake up hungry so have some bacon and eggs but mostly I don't feel hungry until lunchtime. Sometimes I feel hungry in evening and eat a bit of cheese but usually I eat my last meal at about 5pm. I just don't think about it. I'm usually carnivore but sometimes I crave a piece of fruit or some veg so I have some. I just listen to body and it seems to work. I think if you focus too much on timings and force yourself to go hours hungry you're more likely to to succumb to some sugary processed snack so its best not to hyper-focus. I don't count any calories or weigh myself because once my body decided to use my excess fat because it was getting proper nutrition so didn't need to hoard fat away, it just happily keeps my weight stable.
I practice intermittent fasting just two days a week. For me this has worked well.
First I thought that she was serious but then I realized that this is a sarcastic movie. Of course she understands the effect of insulin to the human body.
That’s genius. Great one.
doing intermitent fasting for years and I could not go back to 3 meals a day, but yeah, I eat a lot in one meal, thats the key for sure.
Malnourishment is the actual problem. Everybody fast during sleep.
I’ve been intermittent fasting for 5 years and I stopped getting my period six months ago and have been losing a lot of hair
I just stopped fasting this week and am hoping my period will come back
I believe it depends on the stage of your health and how much fat and protein you have in your eating windows, restriction in your eating windows will cause problems ❤🇦🇺
I've done one meal a day for the most part since the late '80s and have always been about 20 lb overweight. This way of eating started because when I was a child we just didn't have enough food and I was encouraged not to eat. It just became the norm for me. I have low blood pressure and I get tired when I eat so not eating has always given me much more energy. In 2007 I developed a thyroid nodule and had to have radiation which killed my thyroid. Oddly, I've had almost no health problems except this my entire life, but I have to believe this was caused by the extreme stress of under eating. I've lifted weights my entire adult life but could never really build much muscle because I wasn't eating enough yet, like I said, I was about 20 lb overweight. I started counting my calories about a year ago and found that I was eating about 500 to 1200 calories a day and was completely satisfied with that but I was shocked how few calories I was eating. I find that when I double my calories and focus on lots of protein and fat I lose weight. It's an absolute struggle for me to try and eat that much, but I know it's for the best. I'm still in perfect health at 50 except for the thyroid fiasco and look much younger than my age. Fasting is amazing for autophagy but the key is when you eat, you've got to really eat a lot of nourishing food. Fasting and feasting is a delicate balance. I get frustrated when people think everyone who's overweight is lazy and eats a lot, I'm not lazy and I don't eat a lot. Now that I'm 50, I'm just beginning to get a few hot flashes a few nights per month with no other menopausal symptoms. I know getting enough fat really helps regulate your hormones so I am focusing on that, good luck everybody!
Lillie - you do an awesome job. I
Learned so much in this segment. Thank you!!
Good afternoon SUNSHINE, from Copperhill Tn. Always giving great advice to help us with our health.
You're so awesome. Thank you Richard, take care! :)
Finally truth. Thank you young lady
Wonderful, thanks so much Cathy! Have a delicious day :)
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