@@vijaysura2874 Not really the correct way to look at it...they were fighting for liberty, the right to freedom of conscience and to resist tyranny and evil against people who were coercing their conversion and submission to their ideology and forcing them to attend their religious services - if they did not they were heavily fined for each time they did not attend so that eventually not only would they have to sell all their property leaving their children with no inheritance and family with nothing to buy food, clothes etc but also they would end up in debtors prison when they could no longer fully pay the fines...in which case they would be either jailed for life or sent to the colonies as indentured slave labour. Not only were they being forced to attend a 'religion' against their wishes but to do so in their own religion would mean they would to Hell - remember the conspirators own faith was the one that had their members martyred by Romans when they refused to say Ceasar was their Lord/ King and refused to make burnt offerings to false Gods/Kings! So what they were actually fighting against was an evil tyranny, and fighting for was the Right to freedom of conscience and religious liberty. The universities and schools which were a Catholic such as Oxford and Cambridge had been taken over by protestants and Parliament had passed laws so that Catholics could no longer be educated, nor hold any job in a public institution! The religious war had already been lost when Henry the VIII had stolen all the lands and property owned by the church which was used to help the poor (the RC church played the role of the welfare state, NHS and Education/University which is why after WW1 the welfare state had to be invented because whatever charities survived could no longer supply the level of need that the monasteries and church had provided at the national level), and Mary had been executed and character assassinated as a traitor by Protestant conspirators and the credit for all her good economic and social policies given to Elizabeth. James 1 her son had been taken from Mary at a young age and brainwashed into Protestantism in the same way the Ottoman Turks kidnapped young catholic children and brainwashed them to be muslim soldiers and spies (janissaries). The fact that he was related by blood to the King of Spain since he was Marys son meant the Spanish no longer were willing to fight the English for persecuting genuine Christians, despite the fact that the English were murdering Jesuit priests and anyone who harboured or helped them to try to escape (St Margaret Clitheroe, the 40 English Martyrs, and the Tyburn Martyrs). It's more political than religious because Henry VIII who was a 'defensor fide' (defender of the faith against the Protestant Heresy started by Luther on the continent) had only rebelled against the Pope (like the rebels of Corah did against Moses) because his wife could not give him a son so he wanted to divorce and remarry. He needed a son to prevent the re-start of the Wars of Roses - a civil war between two rival royal branches, the Houses of Lancaster versus York) laying claim to the English Throne, but Jesus had forbidden divorce as a sin so the Pope refused. Henry therefore appointed himself Pope - head of the church in England and became a turncoat in the Protestant Wars in Europe. So the protestant cause is one of POLITICS not religion. Further in Christianity you are told to pray for and love your enemy, and thou shalt not murder. When the Gunpowder conspirators disclosed their intentions to their confessor, the Jesuits they advised them NOT to do the plot because it ran contrary to Catholic teaching. It involved the murder of innocents - some of which were Catholics in the House of Lords. When the conspirators appealed to the Pope for his blessing to to ask his support to help encourage other Catholics eg in Flanders and Spain to restore a Catholic monarch to the throne the Pope refused the blessing and forbade them to act. So Catholics can not regard the conspirators as 'Martyrs'. Just think if a Jewish German citizen who had all his money and property taken and was being discriminated against for his religious belief had tried to blow up the Reichstag while Hitler and his entire Nazi Party and had been caught and stopped would you have been celebrating his execution as a traitor to Germany/terrorist motivated by religion or regard him as a citizen fighting for his rights of liberty and against an evil tyranny?
It's a shame, when I was a boy in the 70s Guy Fawkes night was a big thing ( remember "penny for the Guy "?) but nowadays it's been overshadowed by the Americanism that is the highly commercial Hallowe'en. Great episode, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Well with all these draconian restrictions because of this so called "virus", the chances of ever having a bonfire night again in the UK are slim. And isn't it just a co-incidence that these rules just happen to occur on the 5th Nov 2020, same goes for when the mask wearing "law" (which isn't a law but try telling people that) just happened to be on the date of the Magna Carta, same for when they are to allow pubs to reopen around the Spring equinox. The elite pyshos sure do love their key dates.
I can remember having it as a child. Very exciting, it’s been banned in Australia 🇦🇺 for quite a while now because it kept starting fires. November can be hot and just too dangerous. Still have memories though 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
If you haven't seen it please watch GUNPOWDER the dramatisation of this event. I waited years for this adaptation, sometimes hard to watch but brilliant. I cover this in my walking tours...I just cannot get enough of this story. Pity that Bonfire Night is nothing like it was when I was a kid: I discuss this at length with most of my generation feeling the same. .....back in the day, was the most looked forward to and atmospheric night of the year, outside of Christmas Eve, especially for children.
@@colinpowis3600 and wasn't it fun? You could smell them in the air for a week afterwards....and let's not forget the scary public information broadcasts.
I always enjoy and learn so much from them about out bloody and brutal history, but this has to be the best one you have made. Well done and thank you for producing these highly informative and enjoyable videos.
Merci pour' votre érudition ! Passionnant ! J'aime l'histoire de l'Angleterre mais je connaissais peu l'affaire de la conspiration des poudres de 1605. Je dois la relire en français.
Before The Plot, Nov 5th was always a day to honour The Goddess. In India this astrological holi day is called Diwali, a reference to The Devi (Goddess). It seems this hindu tradition has been eradicated from British history. The timing of The Plot was no coincidence. Catholic, Protestant, what rot. Elizabeth 1 was a Shaivite. She was painted with a snake around her neck. It was later painted over. Now that's something they don't teach at school. Jesuits have always been assassins. Do not be fooled by their cassocks. Check out Loyola.
@@rc59191 Oh, so he didn't mind killing God knows how many people, but wouldn't want to be sainted for it! Nice of him. He'd feel at home with the 9/11 terrorists i'm sure. Both think the way to Heaven is to kill as many people as they can. I wonder what gentle Jesus would have to say??
@@johnday6392 were the people in the twin towers having Catholics tortured and murdered for their beliefs? You exposed your own ignorance by saying something as ridiculous as that.
Is it true that there was so much gunpowder underneath parliament that it would of caused 3 miles or more of damage . I've heard that it was enough to have been like a mini nuke going off.
"Remember, remember the 5th of November. The gunpowder treason and plot, I know of no reason that gunpowder treason should ever be forgot." - V for Vendetta
England and Scotland would have reverted back to Catholicism so America and Canada would have been fully Catholic, thus slavery in the USA would have ended a century earlier, when Portugal and Spain abolished it. Since the Iberian colonists were not racist if the English had been Catholic there would have been no protestant KKK to burn crosses and hate on Catholics, Jews and blacks nor any Democrat Party of slavers and racists. The Universities in the UK, created by Catholic clergy, would not have engaged in re-writing history and claiming things such as the scientific method (invented by Pope Urban VIII which gave rise to the dispute with Gallileo) and Capitalism (invented by the Cistercian order of monks in Northern Italy) and most importantly the evil Welfare State (which has caused so much harm to family, the building block of society, hence to modern day society along with the erosion of virtue, faith, morals and social cohesion) would never have arisen since the church would still be providing better social services than the Welfare State.
Beth&793 yeah however don’t you think it would have been very interesting oh how Lady Jane grey would have ruled England in 1603🤔🤔🤔 and what do you think would happen if she did what events would have occurred during her reign in your opinion
@@raumaanking It would've been very interesting, tho I haven't wondered about that particular alternate history in detail. I've only recently learnt enough about Jane to even attempt it, & I'm better with people than politics- I have to know the people involved fairly well to specualte on it.
@@beth7935 okay thanks so much because I would have loved to know what would have happened if she was queen in 1603 and all different types of ways she would have ruled but however for this case let’s just say she ruled England from 1603-1610 and what would she have done in those years and let’s just say she was the last Tudor monarch to rule England just to make it more easier and name her successor james the 6 of Scotland what do you think
If you believe that Religious Freedom is a Right and that people should not be forced to convert then Guido Fawkes (who was a brave soldier from Yorkshire who had returned from fighting the Spanish Catholics against the Protestant insurrection in Holland) then you must believe him to be a hero along with the organiser Robert Catesby and other conspirators as they were fighting for liberty, the right to freedom of conscience and to resist tyranny and evil against people who were coercing their conversion and submission to their ideology (Protestantism) by forcing them to attend their religious services - if they did not they were heavily fined for each time they did not attend so that eventually not only would they have to sell all their property leaving their children with no inheritance and family with nothing to buy food, clothes etc but also they would end up in debtors prison when they could no longer fully pay the fines...in which case they would be either jailed for life or sent to the colonies as an indentured SLAVE. Not only were they being forced to join a 'religion' (actually a political ideology since Protestantism in Britain arose as a polical need to allow Henry VIII to divorce and remarry to try to have a male heir, against Christ's own teaching and the Pope's refusal in accord that divorce is a sin) against their wishes but to do so in their own religion would mean they would go to Hell - remember the conspirators own faith Catholicism is the one that had their members martyred by Romans when they refused to say Ceasar was their Lord/ King and refused to make burnt offerings to those false God-Kings! So what they were actually fighting against was an evil tyranny, and fighting for was the Right to freedom of conscience and religious liberty. Note also that tyrants used the same tactics to coerce conversion as did Islam. Not just paying fines/ tax (jizya) and being made slaves but descrimination that kept you impoverished and socially disadvantaged: the universities and schools which were created by Catholics such as Oxford and Cambridge had been taken over by protestants and Parliament had passed laws so that Catholics could no longer be educated, and those that already were could no longer be permitted to hold any job in a public institution! Catesby and his relatives like many of the conspirators were nobility but they had much of their wealth taken by fines for refusing to attend protestant religious services and were barred from going to Oxford as they refused to take the Protestant Oath....which meant they could no longer get good jobs. They had watched family and friends not only being taxed into poverty so that relatives had to buy them food and clothes and give them somewhere to live, but some had been executed for practising their Catholic faith in secret and hiding priests from being hung, drawn and quartered simply for being priests! [Read about St Margaret Clitheroe, the 40 English Martyrs and Tyburn Martyrs]. Imagine if you religious brothers and sisters had been so ill treated and your religious leader had been horribly publicly tortured and executed to strike fear into any other of your faithful! The religious war in Britain started by Henry the VIII so he, a turncoat former defender of the faith against the Protestant Heresy, could commit adultery and had stolen all the lands and property owned by the church which was used to help the poor (the RC church played the role of the welfare state, NHS and Education/University which is why after WW1 the welfare state had to be invented because whatever charities survived could no longer supply the level of need that the monasteries and church had provided at the national level) to give to his aristocrat cronies who would accept him as not just a king but a self made Pope just like the rebels of Corah had effectively been won by the Protestant heretics when Mary Queen of Scots had been executed and character assassinated as a traitor by Protestant conspirators and the credit for all her good economic and social policies given to Elizabeth. Mary's son, who became James 1 King of England, had been taken from Mary at a young age and brainwashed into Protestantism in the same way the Ottoman Turks kidnapped young catholic children and brainwashed them to be muslim soldiers and spies (janissaries). The fact that he was related by blood to the King of Spain meant the Spanish no longer were willing to fight the English for persecuting genuine Christians, despite the fact that the English were murdering Jesuit priests and anyone who harboured or helped them to try to escape.
Just think if a Jewish German citizen who had all his money and property taken and was being discriminated against for his religious belief had tried to blow up the Reichstag while Hitler and his entire Nazi Party and had been caught and stopped would you have been celebrating his execution as a traitor to Germany/terrorist motivated by religion or regard him as a citizen fighting for his rights of liberty and against an evil tyranny? Ask yourself if a Christian in Iraq tried to kill the leader of ISIS who had been beheading priests, killing Christians, destroying Churches and stealing the land for muslims and was fining anyone who did not fight back with jizya and enslaving non-muslims would you regard that Christian as a terrorist and dance around a bonfire each year to mark the execution of those men who truied to resist being forced/coerced to convert through fear and descrimination?
Beth&793 Right. I’d never claim it wasn’t a name some ppl were christened as seeing as I went to school w Daniel McDaniel. Hell, my grandfather (Papaw) was one of 13 children so y the time he came along they must’ve been tired of naming children bc instead of ‘Joseph Peter’ like one’d probably expect if you met someone that went by Joe Pete, instead the nicknames given to the aforementioned names were what his parents went with. I know that anecdote has 0 to do w repeating names but it does add support for folks’ willingness to bestow names on their offspring that just hit the ear wrong upon first hearing them.
@@amberswafford9305 Yeah, I knew a Richard Richardson- WHY?!? :D Nicknames as 1st names seem to be becoming more popular, especially for boys- I know boys called Charlie, Jamie, Jack, Lockie, Will, Harry, Chris, Tom, & yep, Joe. Some that hit _my_ ears wrong are 2 brothers called Tiger & Jet- I like unusual names, but NOPE to those! :D
Beth&793 I knew a girl named Tiger Anne & I always liked it bc this was 30+ yrs ago in the American South. Names like that weren’t just different, they were foreign. I gave my eldest daughter the name of a big cat myself only in Spanish bc her middle name is Pantera. Novaleigh Pantera, I’m quite proud of that name. We call her Novaleigh though, obviously.
@@amberswafford9305 That's an amazing name, I love it! I'd be proud too! :) I noped out on kids, but my girl cats were Fenella Blodwen & Morrigan Willow, & my boy cat's Bram Ragnar- I'm a crazy cat lady & I'll give my cats middle names if I want to! :D
Guy Fawkes, the only man who entered the palace of Westminster with honest intentions.
Haahhaha I love that joke
I commented 2 seconds after you posted
Quality.
Very amusing, but the plot was religiously motivated and sponsored by people with real money at their disposal.
@@vijaysura2874 Not really the correct way to look at it...they were fighting for liberty, the right to freedom of conscience and to resist tyranny and evil against people who were coercing their conversion and submission to their ideology and forcing them to attend their religious services - if they did not they were heavily fined for each time they did not attend so that eventually not only would they have to sell all their property leaving their children with no inheritance and family with nothing to buy food, clothes etc but also they would end up in debtors prison when they could no longer fully pay the fines...in which case they would be either jailed for life or sent to the colonies as indentured slave labour. Not only were they being forced to attend a 'religion' against their wishes but to do so in their own religion would mean they would to Hell - remember the conspirators own faith was the one that had their members martyred by Romans when they refused to say Ceasar was their Lord/ King and refused to make burnt offerings to false Gods/Kings! So what they were actually fighting against was an evil tyranny, and fighting for was the Right to freedom of conscience and religious liberty. The universities and schools which were a Catholic such as Oxford and Cambridge had been taken over by protestants and Parliament had passed laws so that Catholics could no longer be educated, nor hold any job in a public institution!
The religious war had already been lost when Henry the VIII had stolen all the lands and property owned by the church which was used to help the poor (the RC church played the role of the welfare state, NHS and Education/University which is why after WW1 the welfare state had to be invented because whatever charities survived could no longer supply the level of need that the monasteries and church had provided at the national level), and Mary had been executed and character assassinated as a traitor by Protestant conspirators and the credit for all her good economic and social policies given to Elizabeth. James 1 her son had been taken from Mary at a young age and brainwashed into Protestantism in the same way the Ottoman Turks kidnapped young catholic children and brainwashed them to be muslim soldiers and spies (janissaries). The fact that he was related by blood to the King of Spain since he was Marys son meant the Spanish no longer were willing to fight the English for persecuting genuine Christians, despite the fact that the English were murdering Jesuit priests and anyone who harboured or helped them to try to escape (St Margaret Clitheroe, the 40 English Martyrs, and the Tyburn Martyrs).
It's more political than religious because Henry VIII who was a 'defensor fide' (defender of the faith against the Protestant Heresy started by Luther on the continent) had only rebelled against the Pope (like the rebels of Corah did against Moses) because his wife could not give him a son so he wanted to divorce and remarry. He needed a son to prevent the re-start of the Wars of Roses - a civil war between two rival royal branches, the Houses of Lancaster versus York) laying claim to the English Throne, but Jesus had forbidden divorce as a sin so the Pope refused. Henry therefore appointed himself Pope - head of the church in England and became a turncoat in the Protestant Wars in Europe. So the protestant cause is one of POLITICS not religion. Further in Christianity you are told to pray for and love your enemy, and thou shalt not murder. When the Gunpowder conspirators disclosed their intentions to their confessor, the Jesuits they advised them NOT to do the plot because it ran contrary to Catholic teaching. It involved the murder of innocents - some of which were Catholics in the House of Lords. When the conspirators appealed to the Pope for his blessing to to ask his support to help encourage other Catholics eg in Flanders and Spain to restore a Catholic monarch to the throne the Pope refused the blessing and forbade them to act. So Catholics can not regard the conspirators as 'Martyrs'.
Just think if a Jewish German citizen who had all his money and property taken and was being discriminated against for his religious belief had tried to blow up the Reichstag while Hitler and his entire Nazi Party and had been caught and stopped would you have been celebrating his execution as a traitor to Germany/terrorist motivated by religion or regard him as a citizen fighting for his rights of liberty and against an evil tyranny?
It's a shame, when I was a boy in the 70s Guy Fawkes night was a big thing ( remember "penny for the Guy "?) but nowadays it's been overshadowed by the Americanism that is the highly commercial Hallowe'en.
Great episode, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Well with all these draconian restrictions because of this so called "virus", the chances of ever having a bonfire night again in the UK are slim. And isn't it just a co-incidence that these rules just happen to occur on the 5th Nov 2020, same goes for when the mask wearing "law" (which isn't a law but try telling people that) just happened to be on the date of the Magna Carta, same for when they are to allow pubs to reopen around the Spring equinox. The elite pyshos sure do love their key dates.
@@Embracing01 third wave on its way some more bullshit for the donkeys to believe in
I can remember having it as a child. Very exciting, it’s been banned in Australia 🇦🇺 for quite a while now because it kept starting fires. November can be hot and just too dangerous. Still have memories though 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@@si4632 It is all bullshit (the virus that is). I would've thought by now that most people would've sussed what was going on, but clearly not.
If you haven't seen it please watch GUNPOWDER the dramatisation of this event. I waited years for this adaptation, sometimes hard to watch but brilliant. I cover this in my walking tours...I just cannot get enough of this story. Pity that Bonfire Night is nothing like it was when I was a kid: I discuss this at length with most of my generation feeling the same. .....back in the day, was the most looked forward to and atmospheric night of the year, outside of Christmas Eve, especially for children.
It was the only night of the year to use fireworks
It won't be now with all this Covid nonsense where people are just complying with the rules.
@@colinpowis3600 and wasn't it fun? You could smell them in the air for a week afterwards....and let's not forget the scary public information broadcasts.
I always enjoy and learn so much from them about out bloody and brutal history, but this has to be the best one you have made. Well done and thank you for producing these highly informative and enjoyable videos.
Sounds like a good idea right about now
Starting to sound like a brilliant one now.
Merci pour' votre érudition ! Passionnant ! J'aime l'histoire de l'Angleterre mais je connaissais peu l'affaire de la conspiration des poudres de 1605. Je dois la relire en français.
They all had similiar (excellent) taste in hats and facial hair.
Excellent video. Just finished God's Traitors by Jesse Childs which is an outstanding read.
I have heard that until 1858 it was illegal not to celebrate Bonfire Night, as it was regarded as a type of Thanksgiving.🎆
Before The Plot, Nov 5th was always a day to honour The Goddess. In India this astrological holi day is called Diwali, a reference to The Devi (Goddess).
It seems this hindu tradition has been eradicated from British history. The timing of The Plot was no coincidence. Catholic, Protestant, what rot. Elizabeth 1 was a Shaivite. She was painted with a snake around her neck. It was later painted over. Now that's something they don't teach at school.
Jesuits have always been assassins. Do not be fooled by their cassocks. Check out Loyola.
Another good and informative video. I had thought that Guy Fawkes was really a minor player in the plot.
I didn't know lots of the gunpowder plotters had been involved in Essex's rebellion- that's really interesting!
Just finished rewatching Gunpowder lol. Robert Catesby is an underrated Catholic hero.
Better tell the Pope to make him a saint then!
@@johnday6392 that's not how it works besides he'd Catesby would be against it.
Just watched Gunpowder for first time
Really really enjoyed it
Nice to see others getting recognized
@@rc59191 Oh, so he didn't mind killing God knows how many people, but wouldn't want to be sainted for it! Nice of him.
He'd feel at home with the 9/11 terrorists i'm sure. Both think the way to Heaven is to kill as many people as they can. I wonder
what gentle Jesus would have to say??
@@johnday6392 were the people in the twin towers having Catholics tortured and murdered for their beliefs? You exposed your own ignorance by saying something as ridiculous as that.
Very interesting. Thanks 🙂
Is it true that there was so much gunpowder underneath parliament that it would of caused 3 miles or more of damage . I've heard that it was enough to have been like a mini nuke going off.
Well done!
Excellent
There is a conspiracy that someone the house of southworth from samlesbury hall were involved in the gun powder plot
In the series Gunpowder with Kit Harrington as Robert Catesby he is portrayed as the main organizer of the plot. Love the video. Thanks!
He's also a direct descendant to Robert catesby
Love this channel cant wait for the next one!!! I learn so much its so interesting
👍👍👍..As always!!
Time on the rack does wonders to convince one to confess of many sins.
I find history fascinating! New subscriber here!
Gruesome and Cruel Punishments
According to my family tree. Thomas Percy is my 12th great grandfather.
We need a Shakespeare play on this event with the conspirators of the plot.
"Remember, remember the 5th of November.
The gunpowder treason and plot, I know of no reason
that gunpowder treason should ever be forgot." - V for Vendetta
What about Henry Morgan and Steven Littleton?
I wonder how things would have changed had they succeeded.
England and Scotland would have reverted back to Catholicism so America and Canada would have been fully Catholic, thus slavery in the USA would have ended a century earlier, when Portugal and Spain abolished it. Since the Iberian colonists were not racist if the English had been Catholic there would have been no protestant KKK to burn crosses and hate on Catholics, Jews and blacks nor any Democrat Party of slavers and racists. The Universities in the UK, created by Catholic clergy, would not have engaged in re-writing history and claiming things such as the scientific method (invented by Pope Urban VIII which gave rise to the dispute with Gallileo) and Capitalism (invented by the Cistercian order of monks in Northern Italy) and most importantly the evil Welfare State (which has caused so much harm to family, the building block of society, hence to modern day society along with the erosion of virtue, faith, morals and social cohesion) would never have arisen since the church would still be providing better social services than the Welfare State.
Who were they? Heroes. Shame they were caught.
Thank God they didn’t succeed because of King James we have the greatest book that has ever existed, the Authorized version of the Bible.
Imagine if the Lady Jane Grey was queen of England in 1603 and she was not executed how would she deal with this situation
Very harshly, I imagine- that young lady was one SEVERE Protestant!
Beth&793 yeah however don’t you think it would have been very interesting oh how Lady Jane grey would have ruled England in 1603🤔🤔🤔 and what do you think would happen if she did what events would have occurred during her reign in your opinion
@@raumaanking It would've been very interesting, tho I haven't wondered about that particular alternate history in detail. I've only recently learnt enough about Jane to even attempt it, & I'm better with people than politics- I have to know the people involved fairly well to specualte on it.
@@beth7935 okay thanks so much because I would have loved to know what would have happened if she was queen in 1603 and all different types of ways she would have ruled but however for this case let’s just say she ruled England from 1603-1610 and what would she have done in those years and let’s just say she was the last Tudor monarch to rule England just to make it more easier and name her successor james the 6 of Scotland what do you think
london eye footage....classic story, poor BATES
Remember remember the 5th of November.
As a non Britsh i am still confused, do you think Guy was a Hero or villain? I mean do you celibrate or remember his death?
I think it’s a matter of opinion. Some people certainly consider him a martyr, some consider him a traitor.
If you believe that Religious Freedom is a Right and that people should not be forced to convert then Guido Fawkes (who was a brave soldier from Yorkshire who had returned from fighting the Spanish Catholics against the Protestant insurrection in Holland) then you must believe him to be a hero along with the organiser Robert Catesby and other conspirators as they were fighting for liberty, the right to freedom of conscience and to resist tyranny and evil against people who were coercing their conversion and submission to their ideology (Protestantism) by forcing them to attend their religious services - if they did not they were heavily fined for each time they did not attend so that eventually not only would they have to sell all their property leaving their children with no inheritance and family with nothing to buy food, clothes etc but also they would end up in debtors prison when they could no longer fully pay the fines...in which case they would be either jailed for life or sent to the colonies as an indentured SLAVE.
Not only were they being forced to join a 'religion' (actually a political ideology since Protestantism in Britain arose as a polical need to allow Henry VIII to divorce and remarry to try to have a male heir, against Christ's own teaching and the Pope's refusal in accord that divorce is a sin) against their wishes but to do so in their own religion would mean they would go to Hell - remember the conspirators own faith Catholicism is the one that had their members martyred by Romans when they refused to say Ceasar was their Lord/ King and refused to make burnt offerings to those false God-Kings! So what they were actually fighting against was an evil tyranny, and fighting for was the Right to freedom of conscience and religious liberty.
Note also that tyrants used the same tactics to coerce conversion as did Islam. Not just paying fines/ tax (jizya) and being made slaves but descrimination that kept you impoverished and socially disadvantaged: the universities and schools which were created by Catholics such as Oxford and Cambridge had been taken over by protestants and Parliament had passed laws so that Catholics could no longer be educated, and those that already were could no longer be permitted to hold any job in a public institution! Catesby and his relatives like many of the conspirators were nobility but they had much of their wealth taken by fines for refusing to attend protestant religious services and were barred from going to Oxford as they refused to take the Protestant Oath....which meant they could no longer get good jobs. They had watched family and friends not only being taxed into poverty so that relatives had to buy them food and clothes and give them somewhere to live, but some had been executed for practising their Catholic faith in secret and hiding priests from being hung, drawn and quartered simply for being priests! [Read about St Margaret Clitheroe, the 40 English Martyrs and Tyburn Martyrs]. Imagine if you religious brothers and sisters had been so ill treated and your religious leader had been horribly publicly tortured and executed to strike fear into any other of your faithful!
The religious war in Britain started by Henry the VIII so he, a turncoat former defender of the faith against the Protestant Heresy, could commit adultery and had stolen all the lands and property owned by the church which was used to help the poor (the RC church played the role of the welfare state, NHS and Education/University which is why after WW1 the welfare state had to be invented because whatever charities survived could no longer supply the level of need that the monasteries and church had provided at the national level) to give to his aristocrat cronies who would accept him as not just a king but a self made Pope just like the rebels of Corah had effectively been won by the Protestant heretics when Mary Queen of Scots had been executed and character assassinated as a traitor by Protestant conspirators and the credit for all her good economic and social policies given to Elizabeth. Mary's son, who became James 1 King of England, had been taken from Mary at a young age and brainwashed into Protestantism in the same way the Ottoman Turks kidnapped young catholic children and brainwashed them to be muslim soldiers and spies (janissaries). The fact that he was related by blood to the King of Spain meant the Spanish no longer were willing to fight the English for persecuting genuine Christians, despite the fact that the English were murdering Jesuit priests and anyone who harboured or helped them to try to escape.
Just think if a Jewish German citizen who had all his money and property taken and was being discriminated against for his religious belief had tried to blow up the Reichstag while Hitler and his entire Nazi Party and had been caught and stopped would you have been celebrating his execution as a traitor to Germany/terrorist motivated by religion or regard him as a citizen fighting for his rights of liberty and against an evil tyranny?
Ask yourself if a Christian in Iraq tried to kill the leader of ISIS who had been beheading priests, killing Christians, destroying Churches and stealing the land for muslims and was fining anyone who did not fight back with jizya and enslaving non-muslims would you regard that Christian as a terrorist and dance around a bonfire each year to mark the execution of those men who truied to resist being forced/coerced to convert through fear and descrimination?
Who’s this Guy Fawkes you speak of? That was John Johnson, at least that was his amazingly creative alias. 🤦♀️
I dunno, I have an ancestor whose name really WAS John Johnson!
Beth&793 Right. I’d never claim it wasn’t a name some ppl were christened as seeing as I went to school w Daniel McDaniel. Hell, my grandfather (Papaw) was one of 13 children so y the time he came along they must’ve been tired of naming children bc instead of ‘Joseph Peter’ like one’d probably expect if you met someone that went by Joe Pete, instead the nicknames given to the aforementioned names were what his parents went with. I know that anecdote has 0 to do w repeating names but it does add support for folks’ willingness to bestow names on their offspring that just hit the ear wrong upon first hearing them.
@@amberswafford9305 Yeah, I knew a Richard Richardson- WHY?!? :D Nicknames as 1st names seem to be becoming more popular, especially for boys- I know boys called Charlie, Jamie, Jack, Lockie, Will, Harry, Chris, Tom, & yep, Joe. Some that hit _my_ ears wrong are 2 brothers called Tiger & Jet- I like unusual names, but NOPE to those! :D
Beth&793 I knew a girl named Tiger Anne & I always liked it bc this was 30+ yrs ago in the American South. Names like that weren’t just different, they were foreign. I gave my eldest daughter the name of a big cat myself only in Spanish bc her middle name is Pantera. Novaleigh Pantera, I’m quite proud of that name. We call her Novaleigh though, obviously.
@@amberswafford9305 That's an amazing name, I love it! I'd be proud too! :) I noped out on kids, but my girl cats were Fenella Blodwen & Morrigan Willow, & my boy cat's Bram Ragnar- I'm a crazy cat lady & I'll give my cats middle names if I want to! :D
Poke them with the soft cushion ha ha ah ha. Biggles..... fetch the rack! Ha ha!
It must have been easier back in the day to let your hair and facial hair grow, than it was to try and trim them with a blunt knife, ha, ha.
If they'd suceeded, just think of the implications.
More Jesuit assassins I fear.
Explain why King James deserved it. Im starting to think James wasn't so bad
First. Can I have a thumbs up please.