981 Porsche Cayman GT4 is fun...but can it replace an F80 M3 as a daily driver?
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Great video... owner of the Cayman needs to let the hair go... 😬
Hey Tommy, I agree with your comments regarding the GT4. I daily a F80 M3 and my weekend car is a 981 GT4. The GT4 is a great car but the 911 991.2 would make a better daily. It is more similar to the M3, more practical and softer than the GT4.
I recently drove a 992 Carrera S and it too is similar to the M3 but better in every way! It didn’t tempt me away from the GT4 however.
To be honest, you won’t go wrong with the 911 or GT4. The GT4 will put a bigger smile on your face and has a greater sense of occasion, the 911 will be a better all rounder but a little less special in my opinion.
Keep in mind the GT4 you can mod too, suspension is fully adjustable, remaps, headers, exhaust, GT3 throttle body and IPD plenum etc to name a few.....!!!
All the best Tommy and good luck with the careful contemplation 😀 Interested to see where you end up!
I am so torn. So many great cars out there
My DD F82 ZCP, also looking for the next DD as the lease is up. Drove the 991.2 S and car was nice and liked the smaller size comparing. Expected more from the acceleration, yes it gets down the road quickly but missing any drama that the BMW brings. IMO 991.2 S would be a nice DD but doesn’t bring much excitement to the duty. What do you think of the next G or the C8?
Matt Temecula the 992C2S is rapid and traction was phenomenal. Did you launch it? So effective, but agree it is so composed and drama free it lacks any excitement. I’d say it is almost too good. The one I drove had an aero pack and it looked the business!
I personally don’t mind the G series styling and think people will grow to love it. I’m sure the performance will be up a level V F series too!
Hey dude, great video! I daily drive my 981 gt4 here in England. We have some pretty bad roads and plenty of traffic. Used to daily an rs6 performance and I much prefer the gt4 now, definitely slower but so much more engaging, still feels like a treat on every journey. Your m3 looks amazing btw.
Thanks! You’re a lucky man!
Stop lying.
Great video? Clickbait at every level
Thought I had the wrong channel for a minute, with the classical intro music 🙂
I see what you did there. No gorillas in my video :). But I am a huge fan of classical music
Sweet car!! I remember him from the car show!
Showroom condition
Tommy L Garage where are you located? I have one in Minnesota.
jon my New Jersey :(
Tommy L Garage well come on out maybe in the spring. The car has been a project and still is. Been working on all the mechanical issues and getting the car pretty over the winter.
I’ve been following your page for a while and you’ve been a big inspiration for me. Just bought my 981 GT4 and waiting for it to ship from Illinois. Got rid of my 2017 F80 DCT two months ago that had a ton of track time. As much as I loved my F80 on the track, it always felt a little big. Even with the big power, it was very difficult to keep up with the 981 and 718 GT4’s. I had the AP BBK, Ohlins RT, Recaro sportsterAnd a ton more. I can’t wait to hit NJMP in my GT4 next season and see how it compares. I can’t lie, I’ve got really really high expectations 😅
You’ll love the gt4! I was 2 seconds faster at njmp Thunderbolt in my 981 Cayman S compared to the f80.
I have considered selling my f80 for a Porsche. I primarily do roll races and compete a couple times a year in fairly serious roll racing events. The F80 is such a great car for roll racing, especially compared to other sedans because of its low weight I’m having a hard time parting ways with it. The power to weight ratio along with its huge power band make it rewarding to drive fast. I’m grappling with selling it and getting something different I just have the feeling I’ll miss the car. It’s happened to me before with my e46 M3, 3000gt Vr4 etc... sellers remorse. The F80 manuals will retain their value since the new M3 is 400lbs heavier and has controversial looks.
I agree. F80 will age well for sure
Hi Tommy, as said, it’s a fun car to drive but really going to be rough for a daily driver...I have driven cars with harsh clutches and believe me it is grief when you hit traffic...
For me that car would never be a daily driver, F80 is ideal but GT4 for tracking and occasional weekend splurges ..then go for it..
I need to keep my f80 and get a 997 Carrera S
@@TommyLGarage you are perfectly correct.
997 Carrera S is the car I want also but prices are skyrocketing
I went from an E90 M3, to an M2C, to now owning a GT4 and G20 330i. Obviously as all rounders the M cars cannot be beaten, however that means they don't excel in any area. The GT4 has so much more character, feeling and theatre than the M2C. The M2C has been by far my least favorite car of the three, just too numb to be engaging and doesn't feel special. The E9x M3 gives you a lot of the same emotion, but with a very different chassis. Guys who appreciate the tech and torque of the f8x platform probably won't enjoy the GT4 as much. The GT4 handles very differently on track, but is equally as rewarding as a well setup M car. Based on the way you use your car I think you would prefer a 911 (roof rack, kids can sit in the back, 4WD for winter). However if your thinking of replacing the M3 with 2 cars, a more cooking daily and something special the GT4 definitely fits the bill.
I’m thinking of keeping the M3 and get a 997 C2s
@@TommyLGarage Great cars! Prices are very inflated at the moment as I'm sure you can see. For track it's going to be a lot slower than the F80 though if that bothers you. I'm in NY/NJ so if you ever want another chance to drive a GT4 before you decide let me know. Mine is completely stock as I just got it, but ill be doing headers harnesses etc. before next year.
Interesting thoughts, Michael. I've had very similar--an E90 M3 that started my track hobby 10 years ago, then a 991.1 Carrera S, and currently a GT4 and M2C. The GT4 was actually my daily driver for over a year. I even ran it in the winter with Pirelli Sottozeros. The GT4 then became a dedicated track and weekend car when I picked up a daily Audi S3. The M2C then replaced the S3 last year. I agree with you about the M2C. It's much more livable than the GT4 as a daily driver (low-end torque, updated electronics, heated seats, easy to get in and out of, etc.) while still being sporty, but it's just not exciting me in the same way my old E90 M3 did with its magnificent V8. I can't quite put my finger on it. The M2C is definitely fast, but it almost feels like you need to be going way too fast on public roads to get a sense of it. So it ends up feeling a little blah or sterile. Maybe I need to take it on track to get a true sense of it. The GT4, then, feels like even more of a contrast when I get back in it every couple of weeks--direct, involving, mechanical, amazing.
@@AutoPilotgogogo I recognize your handle from M3post, I think I've watched a few or your vids as well. Good stuff! I am Montaver on M3post. I've been reading Rennlist too but it seems totally dead by comparison. I plan to post a thread on there soon as I have a number of modding questions.
You basically hit the nail on the head with f8x cars, they are sterile and its 90% down to the engine. The S55 is effective but not very interesting to me. The fact it's a smooth straight six is actually a hinderance because there is no sense of drama. My venture into turbo cars taught me for driving engagement, you need an atmospheric engine with induction noise. For plodding around turbos are fine, and I do really like my G20 330i.
I think the M2C comes off very poorly in comparison to the e9x M3. The lack of sound deadening makes it tinny, the sound system is crap, no steering feel, and the aforementioned engine. It just never feels special like older M cars do. The e9x is great on a cruise, fantastic sound system, you wont lose money on a good one. And it has the emotional factor because of the engine. I'd like to own another one at some point. I took a $15K bath on my M2C in 9 months (I did Ohlins, then MCS and a few other bits), that's how little it did for me. It made me smile, the GT4 makes me laugh, grin, and pinch myself that I actually own one.
The M2C differential feels awesome on track though, it reacts way quicker than the e9x. And if your used to the M3, it has that same neutral balance that's very easy to get back in line if your out of shape. The seats are crap though so you slide around everywhere. An M2C with a tune, seats, harnesses, suspension and 275 square would be very fast on track. My confidence wasn't there initially with my GT4, took me a while to trust it wasn't going to rotate too quickly on me. I could only equal my E90 time at Thunderbolt (although my e9x had coils, brakes etc), but that was one day 4 sessions. I'm sure with more practice I could surpass it. But even if its not much quicker I don't really care because its just such an awesome, engaging and emotional experience to drive it. I really want to get the GT4 to WGI soon, thinking of doing HoD in a couple of weeks although I have never run with them. Maybe I should watch your video! My GT4 completely stock atm.
Absolutely. I also can't quite get comfortable in the M2C seats. As you know, the GT4 buckets feel great and you're planted once you're in. Highly recommend taking the GT4 to the Glen. It's such a fast, flowing track and the GT4 feels great there. Obviously it's down on power compared to GT3RSs and Z06s at a high-speed track like that, but it still does very well. As for the E90 M3 vs the GT4 on track, there is much more time to be had in the GT4 once you get comfortable and confident with it. As a comparison, my best lap at Lime Rock in the GT4 is a full 3 seconds quicker than my best in the E90 M3, and that's with the M3 having the advantage of 450hp from a Dinan catless midpipe and tune, as well as the M3 running on Toyo RR R-comps. The GT4 has been on Sport Cup2s, which are not as sticky as the Toyos.
Beautiful car. I was thorn between the GT4 vs M2C.
At the end I decided to go with the M2C, similar performance for less $$$ and better for daily duties.
But I agree with you... GT4 definitely looks more special!!!
I think M2C is a lot faster
@@TommyLGarage GT4 is a lot more fun and faster on a track.
Great video Tommy. Goodluck with the search. I think the m3 is more an all round car while the gt4 is a track/fun vehicle
I need both !
@@TommyLGarage i like that attitude. Get it buddy. Early 40th bday present for yourself
My buddy has a 981 GT4. First of all, the sound is orgasmic. Had to get that out of the way.
Secondly, you can’t really daily it. The clutch is ULTRA heavy and the seats (918 seats) aren’t practical. Getting in an out never gets easy.
Sense of occasion - GT4 is INSANE. Amazing. The transmission is unbelievably good - you did notice that yourself.
Daily? M3 no doubt. Properly modded would make a good track tool.
PS: coincidently we were both at the track driving today and he test drove my M2C (somewhat similar to M3...) and he was positively impressed. He did say the GT4 has much better steering, though (both electric steering).
I’d always take the 981 GT4 over a 718 GT4.
I think I prefer turbo engines. NA just doesn’t do it for me
Track use: GT4 > F80
Daily use: F80 > GT4
Potential modifcations: F80 > GT4
DIY Capabilities: F80 > GT4
Value wise: Porsche GT cars do not lose much value. Cost of ownership is minimal.
Also, the newer Porsche models come with a reverse camera lol.
In a perfect world, owning BOTH would be ideal :)
Realistically I could do both but it’s not the wisest financial decision. Hence my need for one perfect car
I sold my manual f80 for a manual 981s and love the Porsche. Mine has all the sport/gts options. Both were daily drivers and the Cayman with x73 sport suspension is actually pretty compliant. I prefer the ride quality over the f80 which I felt was quite harsh. Cayman is way better on track as well.
I think the sweet spot for you is the 991.2 carrera T though if you have the funds. You can put the kids in the back, the engine has good torque.. all the standard “sport” options and the sporttex sport plus seats are great. Tune and high flow cats really wake those cars up too.
The new 718 gts is gonna be a great all around car as well if you don’t need back seats.
I’m also thinking of keeping the M3 and getting a 997 C2S
GT4 GT3 i’m happy to see you’re going in this direction they both would be amazing for next car 👍 in my opinion you should have both 🇺🇸😃
Now that’s a good idea. Try selling it to my wife :)
😂
Gt4 is awesome and special for sure. Love porsche for its analog feel and focus on driving. Not speed, just a driver.
community is great as well. But my m4 is perfect daily driver, it's just hard to let go. Try Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio before making your decision. Steering feel is phenomenal. Much better than M3 and Porsches. 👍
But I need a manual transmission
@@TommyLGarage Right, that makes things harder.
Rad video! I cant stand Auto Rev match. I honestly think it takes away from the experience. If you can't rev match and heel toe you should learn. It's not hard just takes practice. Other than that this would be a great Porsche to track looks like a blast!!!!
I’d love to track this car
991.2 carrera t with carbon buckets and manual. Rare, some rs parts and pieces and very tunable.
GT4 is an incredible machine. So underratted
Agreed !
Tommy! You should get in touch with Rick DeMan from DeMan Motorsport in Nyack. He builds Porsche race cars and has recently released a 4.5L motor for the GT4. 500 wheel horsepower! Would be cool to do a review!
I’d love to but I’m just a small timer :(
Great review 👍. Provoked my curiosity, and delivered answers to good questions I had.
Thanks!!
lmao the reverse camera part got me rolling...
For that much money!!!!
I would definitely go for the gt4 but it's no daily driver. Buy it and buy a beater to daily.
I own an m2 and my buddy has a 981 gt4 and we track both cars
I track my M3 but ready for a change
I would keep my f80 manual
Or buy both!
Porsche, there is no substitute!!! Love the 981 GT4, but would definitely look at the new generation 718 cayman 4.0. However imo as a daily you'd enjoy 991.2 more!!! And that engine note!!!
I like the 718 GTS!
Keep the f80 for daily and gt4 for track and weekend
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It's visceral. What a great color.
And you feel so special driving it
Dave got the barbershop special.
Not to mention how little depreciation the GT4 will have compared to the massive depreciation of an F80. But, back seats and 4-doors definitely serves a purpose.
That’s very true
Tommy, you’ve already got the itch so I know there is no turning back now BUT..... you haven’t even gotten everything out of the F80 yet? It needs a real suspension upgrade!! (NO. Your springs don’t count!) I’m telling you.. some KW Clubsport 3ways will change your life! And no, they aren’t harsh when set up properly. The KW’s with a couple carefully chosen suspension arms will get you right where the Porsche is sitting with all the power and room for 4. Having said that, I’m secretly lusting for a Porsche myself and I have no idea why other than everyone hyping them up all the time. Well, that and the Porsche sounds sooo much better than the fart machine. Lol
I think I will keep my M3 for daily duties and get a 911 997 for track and fun
Looking forward to hear you'r review about the engine respons, and pulling power against a turbo car.
Turbo car is a lot faster
Oh Dave, just shave it already.
Definitely a very exiting car, perfect for the track and perfect to call everyones attention; however not the car that can fill an active life double duty. Unless you have a very short commute and never ever have to bring an extra family member with you this is not the car for you. Even if you are like me a little selfish when it comes to pick a car. A very track oriented car will not be enough to satisfy my busy daily needs.
I might keep the M3 and get a 997 :)
Go for the GT4! I also have it and i love it, also for daily drive.
Enough power ?
@@TommyLGarage yes 👌👍
I got an F87 M2C over a 981 because of the better Nav, power, torque, gearing, comfort and it was $40k cheaper.
Wind out the 981 in 2nd and your license is in jeopardy.
Agree that the 981 takes it with the inputs. I really don't like the throttle mapping on the drive-by-wire BMW. Brakes are good, however. Steering is fine but not engaging.
IMO
If you drive on the track and want a 2nd or 3rd car, 981 all day.
If you need a daily, then BMW F8x and a $40-50k track toy.
Two completely different cars.
Or keep the M3 and get a 997 C2S for track duty !
I feel like you would miss your F80 after a bit of owning that car haha. Looks like a lot of fun to drive though!
I don’t know. I think I’d be fine
I prefer the M3 for daily duty easily. Gt4 is niche more special and good for hooning around a track. For quick blast on the road however I would miss the torque of the M3. M3 is actually incredibly difficult to top as an all round car.
I agree. I love my M3
@@TommyLGarage I keep toying with idea of getting rid of mine. It's similar spec to yours LCI2 facelift ZCP and custom HCP tuned. Needless to say, I'm finding it very, very difficult to find a suitable replacement.
ASRmann same here!!
Daily your F80 and buy a Lotus as a track toy if you like analog
Good point
Transmission is from A Cayman Gts
That’s not a good thing right ?
You want more torque and power, have Deman do his 4.5L stroker and shortened gear set, done.
True !
Great job on the video tommy! :)
Thanks! 😀
I like these cars too. Is it underpowered/slow though coming from your m3?
Yes it felt underpowered
Slow in a drag race or on a proper circuit?
At some point a driver stops concerning themselves with excess power and 0-60 times. Driving a balanced car is so much more a reward. I always prefer to ring out a lower power car on the streets over driving a modern beast at 6/10ths
Well said!
Nice ride. If you ever decide to go for one, do you think you'll do much DIY projects on it?
Yes sir! I can’t leave my cars stock :)
Tommy, is new M3 also on your next car list at all? GT4 is definitely sweet, but I feel you would choose something more practical as daily driver =P
I won’t be getting the new M3. Doesn’t excite me at all. I will keep my M3 and get a Porsche 911 as a weekend fun car
The 911 GT3 RS or if you got the money the 911 GT2 RS. The 2020 Cayman GT4 is a really good car at a decent price point. The GT cars are the cream of the crop but these are track weapons and canyon slayer. Not sure how good these are as daily commuter. A bit difficult if you got kids. The M3 is just a good all around sports car.
Maybe I just need to get a dedicated track car
Maybe get a 997 or 991 GT3 and stick the backseat back in there. I know there's a legit company that will take care of that for you.
Posted above by mistake....was saying can identify with your thoughts, GT4 is a special car to drive, more responsive and track oriented but the M4 CS was a better all rounder. As always need to get the right for the right use. I find myself taking my wife’s car more often now I have GT4 because is it easier for the shops, where I would have enjoyed taking the M4 but when conditions are right the GT4 wins!!😆
I would need a four seater realistically. So 911 is better for me
The hair is distracting lol
It's a Porsche GT product, it is a track/road car. You want to drive a Cayman or 718 Cayman which are road sports cars. M3 & M4 are not sports cars, they are sporty sedans/coupes...
Test drive a C8 next please.
I have to find someone local with one
Tommy L Garage okay. It would be nice to see you review other track capable cars like the Gt350’s, 2020 GT500, McLaren 12c, Audi R8, ZR1, and GT3 (older model). They are all around the same price point.
Maybe you should do this with a supercharged e46 m3
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991.2 911 Gts is the only alternative in comparison to the daily duties of an F80. IMO. The Gts is not as special or rare as a Gt4 but its rare enough and has the turbo power that you would be missing from your F80. I dont think a momentum car such as the Gt4 can replace the feeling of a boosted F80. Of course the Gt4 is a better track car and looks more special but you have to ask yourself will you only be tracking the car and do you want your next car to be so special that you would be scared to drive it for daily duties? Whatever your choice is, it will never be the wrong one transitioning from Bmw to Porsche. Wish I could afford both the 911Gts and the F80 but thats not feasible at the present time.
Friend of mine traded his 981 for the F80 because the 981 couldn't be utilize for his daily but he says he's returning to the 981 once the F80 is paid for because he doesnt want to part with niether and feels the need to own both.
I might keep mine and get a 997 c2s
@@TommyLGarage good choice!👍🏼 I'm still undecided and may hold off a little longer on transitioning to Porsche because the new G80 awd is in intriguing. Once I drive the G80 and see it in person, I should have a good idea what I'm going to do moving forward.
Nice motor that for track use, it just depends if you would be happy with it for carrying your snowboard etc 😂
Good question!
Snowboards go in the SUV. Let’s stop relating sports cars in regards to utility or snow, otherwise the WRX and STI guys will come hunt all the M3 guys and throw it in their face.
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam What?
No doubt the GT4 is nice, but when I see those on the road and how low they are I always think that could never be a daily driver. Maybe I’m just old haha
My car is actually lower hehe
Video is good...just that M3 shouldn’t be termed as Almighty....911 Turbo S, Huracan Performante, McLaren 675LT probably are...
If only they would drop in the gt3 or gt2 engine into this...
Or the turbo engine. Wait - 718!
There is no comparison . There is no substitute.
Gt3RS
Very cool
Thanks!
a carrera S would be much better for daily driving, plus it has alot of modding potential.
the GT4 lack the torque and the long gear ratios makes it even worse.
Agreed
Why was over half of the video spent talking about options, paint, key, etc? Let’s focus on driving dynamics!! It’s also interesting that he says that non GT3 911 owners are envious of the gt4. Well, as a 911 owner I would say this isn’t really stated correctly, and I have a brother, dad and best friend who also feel the same. We aren’t “envious” of the GT4, remember, the GT4 is cheaper than a 911, so if they wanted one, it could usually be had. Also, don’t forget that the GT3 is still based on a 911, so a normal 911 still has the DNA of a GT3 (and they can also be modded). Also, when talking lap times, go compare a 991 C2S on street tires the GT4 on cup tires. So I wouldn’t say 911 fans are “envious” but they deeply appreciate what the GT4 is and how well it performs and does everything so well. On a related note, as a former M3 owner, the feel just doesn’t come close to a Pcar. Regarding track work and driving dynamics, search “Marino Franchitti 911 vs m3” and see what he has to say (and check the lap times) ;)
Have both cars. Forgot college tuition.
Haha goals
Have you checked 981 and 982 GT4 prices now?
As much as I like the Cayman.... to me it’s a side step if not a down step. The M3 when tuned destroys it. I wonder if the Cayman holds up to the track abuse any better then the F8x. I think that is the only way I would consider the less powerful Cayman over the M. If I can beat it up as badly as I do the M and not have to swap my brake pads and wheels and have no shudder after a track day ......it could be worth it.
That’s an interesting thought. F80 is very capable
Review my e90 m3 6 speed manual 😭 I’m in ny
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The F80 is much more pedestrian and usable for a daily driver.
very true
I’ve just swapped my M4 CS for a GT4 and can
How is the GT4 compared to the M4CS? I am currently looking for a M4CS but if the GT4 is that much better i might hold off on it.
Alex the GT4 is more focused so ultimately more rewarding but will depend on use, I used the CS daily and it was fantastic, more torque, practicality, really fast without the need to Rev out and more compliant for B road blasts. The CS is a great car, underrated potentially, the GT4 is more special for a quick blast, gear change, noise, poised but harder work, the CS more enjoyable as your only car....?
@@chriskelsey2628 i appreciate the answer! Enjoy your GT4!
Did your title just try to make people thing your M3 is better than a GT4?
Jace’s Own World it is
Omg i was certain he was going to test #
@obsessedgarage 's porsche
Set it up!!
2:34 lol, those brakes are as new, never properly used. Also clearly showed by the rear Cup2, 2:49 never "switched" on, show room condition. Always wondering why people buy this "hard core" cars if they are not driving them proper. A bogo Cayman would have been enough.
As someone that came from a 911 and is now in a f80 m3, I can attest that the 911 felt more raw than the m3. I prefer the drive of the 911. However, the M3 is more practical and a better daily driver. If you could swing a comfortable daily and have the 911 as a weekend/fun car I would go in that direction, but I don’t think I would rely solely on the 911 for a daily.
I’m thinking of keeping the M3 and getting a 997.2 CS as a weekend and track car. Thoughts ?
Yes, in that case I would get the 911. Much more fun on the track.
Tommy L Garage try a 991, better looks and technologies IMO!! Great video!!!
Dave looks nervous
I’m an intimidating fella !
Not even going to watch these cars couldn't be any different from each other
When you no longer need back seats for kids the. Buy a gt car that's my plan. If I had to buy one today it be a new GT4 not a chance I paying 10k or less for. 4year old used car
That’s a good point
Lease a new Turbo S, use it for work, use it for play, use it everyday... Then get a new one in 3 years.
Tempting...
$8,000 down $2,500/mo gets you 42 months, 10,000 miles a year. Check with your local tax professional, but I believe you can deduct 80% of your lease payments as business use. Call it $10,000 a year to drive a new Turbo S, yes please.
One of your justifications for getting the practical M3 was room for the kids. No longer a consideration?
Good point. But I can squeeze kids in the back of a 911
@@TommyLGarage I hope they're small...really small...
The front license plate is a sin on this car
Agreed
Agreed. I have my front plate mounted to a tow hook mount bracket, but the plate/bracket sit in my front trunk.
Tommy, what ever happened to the original 666 wheels that came on your car?
I sold them
Nice looking car. But would never trade it against the F80. Get something bigger if you wanna change at all. I mean just look at the numbers. The BMW just has a lot more Power.
True. Hence the 991.2
Tommy L Garage absolutely. My Father drives a 991 Turbo. Insane speed, but you would dislike the 4 Wheel Drive. Lack of fun definetely. I prefer driving my M4 CP than driving the Porsche.
But if you just wanna change the 991.2 is a good choice.
Does anyone else think that the GT4 owner sounds JUST LIKE D TRUMP!? It is uncanny
981 GT4 over any BMW
Perhaps
honestly I rather have a base 911 then this GT4. Looks like a kids car lol. Get a 911!
the base 911 looks fairly pedestrian for the price
I’m thinking 997 C2s
Lol you need to replace that car lol views going down hill. Have you seen the BMW M3. I'M MOVING ON TO NEW VIDEOS GOOD BYE TOMMY GOOD BYE OLD M3
Immy Tweed omg what am I gonna do ?? !!