The Age Of Difference Is Over | The Crown (Vanessa Kirby, Matthew Goode)
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Queen Elizabeth II (Claire Foy) sits down with the failed politician, harsh critic, and journalist who recently went live on-air with his opinion on Her Majesty.
From Season 2, Episode 5: Marionettes
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The Crown is based on Queen Elizabeth II as a young newlywed faced with leading the world's most famous monarchy while forging a relationship with legendary Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill. The British Empire is in decline, and the political world is in disarray, but a new era is dawning. Peter Morgan's masterfully researched scripts reveal the Queen's private journey behind the public façade with daring frankness. Prepare to see into the coveted world of power and privilege behind the locked doors of Westminster and Buckingham Palace.
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The title reads incorrectly. It should say deference, not difference.
Obviously this is true and yet somehow I can’t help but hear this comment in the queen’s voice.
I’ve grown accustomed to the butchering of the English language throughout UA-cam and beyond. It is shocking but no longer surprising.
How troubling. I‘m not even a native English speaker and could tell the title is wrong.
Was preparing to say this. Thanks for going there.
Alas, the age of diligence is also over.
The change in Foy's demeanor as she realizes he's made some really good points... very well done.
The Crown at its ABSOLUTE best. I love that they didn't give into any temptation to make this critic of the Queen look bad. And Claire portrays "wounded ego" beautifully. She's a dream to watch.
No it's not. It's fictionalized and dramatized.
@@ChaseWright516 Of course it is, and I was assessing it solely as a drama. I do recognize that the relation to reality matters, though, for a show like this. Do you know if it diverts very far?
They were very careful to make her look good while going out of their way to trash the rest of the royal family, knowing her high approval rating among the general public. When you understand that The Crown is republican (in the British sense) propaganda you understand the choices they made.
Lord Altrincham (John Grigg)'s famous criticisms of the Queen and the Monarchy in 1957 remain well-known. This is a good depiction. The Queen asked to see him and in fact some changes then followed
* presentation of debutantes ceased after 1958
* the monarch's annual Christmas address was televised the next year (it had been on radio since 1930)
* the queen did 'open up' and get out to see 'ordinary people' - very successfully from the 1960s onwards (royal walkabouts, though KIng GeorgeVI and Queen Elizabeth did them in Canada in 1939 and in Britain during WW2)
It probably helped that he was a member of the House of Lords - a hereditary peer.
What about the divorce thing? Did she act upon that before 3/4 of her kids divorced?
Lord Altrincham gave ip his title in 1963 (when it officially vested). He continued his journalism career and at the end of life had written the first four volumes of a bio of David Lloyd George (that was critically and popularly celebrated). He died in 2001 before finishing the series.
@lordalessan It'd be more difficult to do anything about that because of being head of the Church of England, whose protocols and processes make Parliament look straightforward.
This clip caused me to think of the scene in a later season where the Queen is battling with Thatcher over South Africa. I thought that this Elizabeth in 1957 was not the Elizabeth of the 1980s, who proposed to a Thatcher wrapped up in racism and classism that African monarchs are as royal as her own Queen.
Lighting in this scene is phenomenal. Light fully on his face, hers is half shadow and half-lit. So symbolic of their discussion of moving with the tines.
It's because of people like him that the British monarchy could survive the 20th century. Even when other crown heads fell left, right and center.
The credit should go to the Queen for hearing advice and implementing them
Here's hoping that it's the end of it in the 21st
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Oliver Cromwel.was a terrible ruler. Their attempt at ending the monarchy in the 17th century didn't work out so well.
@@prasadramasamy904Monarchs taking advice is the bare minimum for keeping their thrones.
Claire Foy is perfect in this series.
The Age of DEFERENCE is over.
I can just imagine her grandmother Queen Mary blowing smoke in this man's face and bluntly saying, "What utter rubbish." 😆
Lol
Then Queen Mary would not have survived as long as Queen Elizabeth did.
I never understood the anti-divorce issue, the Anglican church was founded by Henry VIII because the catholic church would not allow divorce...the church of England was founded on divorce.
Annulment. He has his marriage annulled. Divorce was a bridge too far then.
Accept it was based on Catherine's marrige to Henry VIII older brother who died before their marrige was consummated. So her second marrige was vaild and was a divorce imo. @@NoOne-gc5ot
@@NoOne-gc5ot Weird to think that having a marriage declared null and void on dubious grounds (Catherine possibly consummating her marriage to his brother Arthur before his early death) was easier for people to accept than a legal parting based on the fire in his loins over Anne Boleyn and her promise of male heirs.
@@NoOne-gc5otHenry VIII’s “annulment” was granted by the Church in England by Henry making himself head of the church in England not by the Roman Catholic Church. Under Catholicism he was still a married man so on marrying Anne he was technically a bigamist. Not far from the truth that the church in England was founded on the back of marriage breakdown. Annulment or divorce, call it what you will.
@@NoOne-gc5otstill a farce. Marriage is recognized regardless of religious affiliation. Marriage, in this sense, does not belong to the Catholic Church, nor the Anglican one, nor any other religious group or belief system. God Himself owns and holds marriage accountable. For a british king to have a farse of an annulment is still a divorce.
She doesn’t want to accept the age of deference is ending, and I’m like “One day the newspaper is going to run a transcript of a phone conversation in which your son told his mistress that he wished he could be one of her tampons. Why? Because the media will eventually figure out stories about Royal scandals sell more papers than stories about royals cutting ribbons”
But that tampon story is why that mistress is now Queen as the public saw it was true love whatever that is.
@@AnnaBellaChannel Demented love is more like it
@@AnnaBellaChannelPlus one could always add “And the newspapers will also run a story about the wife of another one of your sons having her toes sucked by another man … and let’s not even start on THAT son and what will be written about HIM”
@@AnnaBellaChannelTrue love at the expense of a wife and two boys. That’s not a “true love” anyone admires.
Nahhh, THAT will NEVER occur! Impossible! Absurd!
I think that of my self as a royalist, but he was right in everything... they might be richer and more important than the rest, but not precisely better...
John Heffernan is such a talented actor and so underrated. He did a great job here as Lord Altrincham!
That’s Claire Foy Not Vanessa Kirby
Well...all White people look the same!!
That's 2 errors in the title. I wonder if it's AI generated, or if Helen Keller made this upload.
I like that the tension coming from the queen and her hostility to his ideas do not faze him at all. He passionately believes in what he is saying. This once, the Queen forgets to ring the bell for the guest to be escorted outside. She has lost her composure.
Claire Foy is absolutely brilliant as young Elizabeth. She is riveting in the role.
Wow. This scene could start so much discussion and debate and with valid arguments on both sides. I recently read a book called "The Needs of Strangers" by Michael Ignatieff (1984) in which the author talks about the importance of differences in society, finding identity in what people don't have in common while still having people's needs met, along with discussion about what is need and who determines that. A very challenging book with much else in it, but well worth the time and effort to read it.
I take value in your taking time to list this book, I’ll have to give it a look
the person has mistyped the title. it should say deference on difference. deference means submission
I love how Lord Altrincham's left eyebrow was always in deference to the right one.
I love the way she says “six.” You know ow what she wanted to say was “SIX!!!!”
Those chilly 'Nexts' - Clare Foy always brilliant as the younger Queen,.
I don’t think anyone else has pointed it out yet, but it’s “deference,” not “difference.” Can’t believe everyone’s missed that. 🙃
My guess is the guy who uploaded this had an auto-correct error or didn't know they are different words. I've met plenty of people in life that are not good spellers or their vocabulary is limited. They may not realize that there is a word, deference, as they have always used the wrong word and for whatever reason, be it a lack of caring on their own part, or a lack of correction by parents, teachers, or peers, they have continued to use the wrong word.
As always terrific acting here and from both performers. Claire Foy with just a look conveyed so much. To use some older American slang, the Queen looked she was going to "blow a gasket", but kept herself under control. Nothing was said or done in anger, but the anger comes through. --- One criticism I have for this scene is the use of the word "transparent". I don't recall "transparent" being used in that context until around the time President Obama was in office here in the U.S. Still this scene is outstanding.
Of all the fabulous Crown episodes, this is my favorite. The actor that played Altrincham was wonderful and Claire Foy was perfect. I love the way the Crown summed up the story with real photos at the end of the episode such as this one and the exposure of Edward Vlll as a Nazi sympathizer. Its very emotional to see history recreated.
DEFERENCE - not difference.
*Deference. It means to submit. It does not mean difference lol. Who wrote that title?!!
EDIT: even the actors are wrong! lol. That's Claire Foy and John Heffernan!
*dead-eye stare* "Next"
Idk why but I found that so funny
I think the undercurrent regarding Foy's clipped pronunciation of "Next" was that it was intended to convey a sort of shield for the Queen. It served as a blend of authority and unspoken acknowledgement that, in the face of Altrincham's cogent critiques, that verbal cover was all she had in the moment.
Both of them at their point of view is right according to them . Time proved to queen that he is right
She actually took his suggestions seriously and made changes.
That's what Diana had done when she was alive. She is the People's Princess and now the Queen of Hearts. She does not need a cornation but people just want her to be in their hearts.
coronation
What did she do? And what does she have to do with this scene which if I remember correctly is supposed to take place before she was even born.
With the kindest intent, Princess Diana has been gone for over a quarter of a century. Nobody knows what she would have done if she had lived or if she’d have done anything. She might have married Dodi (poor her if so) and gone to live in California or Egypt. She wasn’t a saint and she’d probably be embarrassed the way some people refer to her as if she was.
Diana did a lot of good but Diana liked her position, lets not pretend she'd have wanted an end to the monarchy
@@daesgatling1345 Well put. Diana was determined to get into this family and when she didn't get everything she needed or wanted she went on a revenge rant! Diana didn't want to go with their flow. Diana tried to tear the monarchy down from the inside and maybe that's why the Brits liked her - a recent poll shows that the British want a republic and democracy not a constitutional monarchy. This has no reflection on Charles and Camilla - they just want this family to stop milking them! Waity Katie is already itching to get the title of queen....
@@JoanMorrison-vq2jc Diana was a saint. A SAINT! I say it loudly to penetrate that thick fog around you. And guess what. Diana is still popular years after her death. Diana is loved by many people. Except by you.
Young Elizabeth wasn't much on accepting an advice 😂 and the funny is that was very reasonable his statements!! She practically call him out for his failures but what he said was correct and adaptable!!
It was commendable that he didn't take the bait when she called him out. If he had he would have completely lost her ear. Because he didn't, it maybe helped her see that he as being genuine and rather than bearing her ill will, he had good intentions.
Everything he recommended to start was followed by the queen in real life and now some people want to abolish monarchy.
The main reason why some people want to abolish monarchy is lack respect because the monarchs became more accessible, open and their private life are always on TV.
In private work sector managers and supervisors should never EVER treat their subordinates as friends/peers because those same people will lose respect on you as you get closer personally.
I agree... The more you show, the less you become.
No it's the simple fact people realise they are a redundancy.
@@RobertodelaVega-t3w Nope the more you show the less or more you are depending on who you really are. If you a lesser person you will be shown as such and if you are not that will show too.
Well he is kind of right
I think he hit the nail right on the head.
He is asking her to be princess diana and be closer to the average person
The problem with Diana is that she was the worst person to give any advice.
Diana was bonkers
@@LaKellita1true
Claire Foy is amazing!
Maybe the U.S needs to follow Lord Altrincham’s advice about getting rid of our “ostriches” who have been in government since the 1800’s
the title is wrong. it's DEFERENCE.
Title is misspelled
Before the boring Diana saga started, The crown was really good.
How impactful the acting and body language is here!!!
it may have been boring to you but a necessary part of the story.
@@3wydreamer147 If they treated it just like necessary part of the story, then it wouldn't have been boaring.
@@Aversiontostupidity I don’t agree, they had to show her story from beginning of her being involved with the family to her death. All that is necessary.
@@3wydreamer147 Till her marriage, ( I forgot which season... Most probably 4) it's alright.... After that it was unbearable... The making , script.... The propaganda, then the change in cast, the last pin in the coffin .... God that actress was so horrible and irritating, everytime she appears, It's just pathetic.
@@Aversiontostupidity why was it unbearable might I ask? Unbearable and boring are two very different adjectives. Was it because of how she was treated?
Deference
She did eventually,I believe change some of these..and do that but they had to wait..
There are certain things I love about English culture
Those recommendations had Diana all over them lol ..uncanny
Great comment. The Princess of Wales lived out the ideas discussed here.
No they didn't.
Absolutely: deference. Eeks!
Inclusive! That is such a modern work word no one hardly ever used before about 2014. I'm surprised they didn't have him spout something about DEI.
I grew up in the Age of Difference. It was a different age. Now, it is over.
"Deference" went hand in hand with what Dr Samuel Johnson called "subordination," which used to be regarded by Tories as a necessary part of society: the idea that some people are above, and others below, generally by inheriting their position. Nowadays it is so alien to our ways of thinking that it can hardly be spoken of except in coded expressions describing the opposite, such as "political correctness gone mad."
The popularization, or decrease in deference displayed by the monarchy has been blamed for the intrusion into the lives of the monarchy by the press, and the death of Princess Diana at the hands of the Paparazzi.
Title is incorrect. It should say deference!
They should have listened more closely to him.
The one issue I always love is the matter of divorce. The Church of England was literally founded on the need of a man to divorce his wife, and now they want to complain about divorce?
True the hypocrisy there is amazing
hey hey, it's "deference" not "difference"
Happy New Year to you and your beautiful family ☝🏽💯💜
"I don't wish to be known . . . ." Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh! Take THAT!
Pity this wasn't the _full_ scene, including Her Majesty (Foy) entering [at the start] and Lord Altrincham leaving [at the end], if I recall correctly.
How could you not know deference over difference?! How thick can people be?!
If they do not often use the two words, they will not. Consider “disinterested” vs. “uninterested”, how many people not considering umpires or referees jobs would care. Excluding NBA referees, who have been known to shave points, of course.
DEFERENCE NOT DIFFERENCE
Foy is a phenomenal actress, but I think her attempt to project contempt in this scene went over the top. She had a look on her face and responded with such passive aggression that you'd think she was ready to summon a squad of guards to take him out back to be hung drawn and quartered.
History tells us the queen was open to many of the ideas he presented and implementing them did help bring the monarchy into the post war era.
Not really agreeing. She's demonstrating a lot of suppressed anger here, true. But Foy is also subtly projecting hurt ego. It's more complex than it seems. What's notable is that the Queen was open and sensible enough to eventually take some of his advice and make changes.
Crazy, the uploader managed to get three things wrong with the title alone. It is "deference," not "difference." That is not Vanessa Kirby playing the queen, nor is it Mathew Goode portraying John Grigg.
It’s deference. Not difference. And that’s neither Vanessa Kirby nor Matthew Goode. It’s Claire Foy and some other fella (called John Heffernan).
"Deference", you philistines, not "difference"
I see the grammar police are out in full force.
The disconnect between the monarchy and its "subjects" is that, it never let go of its founding idea - that the role was a calling from God himself, that the English Monarch, in many ways, was akin to the Pope; the Almighty's Representative on Earth, and therefore, beyond reproach, beyond approach, and by definition - inaccessible. That those who were not of this calling were to stand in fear and reverence.
Society moved on, things became more equal, the Monarchy did not.
You guys get literally every single title and actor credit WRONG. Are you all smoking dope when you upload these? A simple Google search would suffice. FIX THEM ALL
They are doing that on purpose to create traffic.
Age of DEFERENCE NOT Difference!
Which episode is this?
your title is wrong, it is not the age of difference but the age of deference. learn your mother tongue,
I had to.
Didnt he sneak into this room or sth?
That the church of England doesn't eknowledge divorced people... is quite the irony, given why this church was created in the first place.
The idea that we all have equal moral worth; that our interests ought to count for the same, and that we possess the same bundle of basic rights. When a Head-of-State believes and enforces separation between Herself and certain of Her subjects, how can there be equality of moral worth? "Separate but equal" is inherently unequal.
As of 2/14/2024, *the title should read "The Age of Deference is Over."*
It's the "the age of deference is over", not difference 🤦♂
It's deference, not difference.
The queen crushes the beginnings of liberalism. As it should be.
Who the bloody hell does he think he is??????
a normal guy living in the real world talking to a dusty old timey weird lady
Deference, not difference.
honestly people thrive on their being someone higher than them to look up to or praise its why royalty and god still exist because mankind cant accept there is nothing higher or some big reason for everything. the people of england love their royalty and the mystery of the traditions it gives them something to strive for. wierd but true.
Its DEFERENCE not Difference!!
The extremely noisy outro is annoying and unnecessary
What is with his eyebrows?
You have power and money. You dont need me. Adter all you are using thevqueen. Did you disrespect her? No. Good. Now shut up.
Difference 😂
The age of Deference
The gig is up! William is a little like grandma. Get rid of them. All of them.
Deference, not difference. Please understand what you’re presenting before you post
DEFERENCE
*Deference* not difference. lol
It's Deference !! ffs
Title: DEFERENCE, not DIFFERENCE.
Look it up and learn the difference.
By allowing so-called 'normal' and 'ordinary' people in to her home and family is why 'the British Imperial House of Windsor' has these familial issues. Royals marrying outside their God-ordained rank, wedding commoners, has brought nothing but trouble and ongoing feuding. And, look! Most of those unions ended in divorce! Royals and commoners must be kept apart! This is not about royals thinking we are better than any one else. This is about preserving 'the seed of David' and 'the divine right of kings.' The mantle of being legitimately begotten 'of the blood royal' is a heavy weight that no one wants, the calling brings perpetual fatigue. The weight is made worse when our subjects interject their feelings, emotions, and opinions in to matters they know nothing about. Royal matters-of-state are NOT and shall never be the concern of the general public, the common populace. Let matters-of-state to those called and chosen by The Most High and go about your lives like the sheep ye all continue proving you all are and always will be. Obey 'the Ten Commandments' and live honourably.
Yikes. You actually believe these fallible humans are "ordained by God to rule"?
Lol tell that all the monarchies that got the axe post WW1 the public and those so called commoners are the only reason monarchies are still around a situation that can remedied at any time and royalty should remember that.
The queen did end the "debutantes" being presented to the monarch, she ended that in 1958. She did allow the televising of the Christmas speech in 1957. Other than that, the queen remained closed off. The arrogance of monarchy to think they know best.
They don't think that.
The Monarchy having a closed off feel, is so the politicians do not do what Cromwell did, and kill them for fear they will remove them.
That being said, things are vastly more different than even Diana's time.
Which comes with there own dangers, as Diana's ultimate fate has proven.
Next
When an anachronism is so out of touch that it doesn’t even speak the current language.
I dont like monarchies at all, but the show and acting is so good (even if embellished for tv) that when he was recommending things to her i was like dude, shes the queen. She cant be seen w regular people! Lmfao
Oh this “equality” destroyed everything.
Was there a massive beheading I wasn’t aware of? Still seems she managed a constitutional monarchy after.
No. It preserved a monarchy that would have ended if equality hadn't happened. You need to return to the days of Henry VIII.. Tyranny, you know.
@@SymphonyBrahms I of course do not mind constitutional monarchy or Magna Charta Libertarum, but today the word “equality” is used as the reason to destroy everything that was here before, including the Monarchy.
So an unelected and unchosen head of state sat in front of a failed politician. She could see the one, but not the other!
all bad advice
We need to bring back the age of deference. Masses should not have a voice. Ban social media.
Deference
DEFERENCE