1:16 The Queen says "I see" in a way that conveys "I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about but I'm very much afraid you're about to tell me".
The way Tommy breaks out the information to her trying to be respectful in his convey and hence his choice of words and Michael being like "you handle it, I could never..."--amazing scene. Keeping in mind the times and the mentality, and amidst everything they discover Tony as polyamourous. Great, great screenplay.
"the STRAIGHT and NARROW path." awkward pause* "his own sex...his proposed best man" Queen realising he's means sex with other men "eww" covers her eyes.
Tommy's distaste about this whole thing, his embarrassment but determination to tell Her Majesty everything is brilliantly depicted. His disdain for the photographer is palpable. The Queens subtle look of horror is priceless so how did he get to marry Margaret???
The histrionics of The Crown notwithstanding, one wonders how much calmer and sensible Margaret's life would have been, had she been allowed to marry that Townsend chap.
The system is truly messed up if someone like Tony, who was morally wrong in every way, was allowed to marry into the Royal Family but someone like Peter, who was perfect except for one technical flaw, was not.
And the "flaw" was technically not even a flaw. All the problem was that he was divorced. That's it. That's the only reason he wasn't allowed to marry her, all because of the people at church were all old men and were like "noooo you're divorced :(" even though peter was divorced in the first place because of his wife who cheated on him
@@here_we_go_again2571 Having Henry set the example several times, I can't believe that C of E would have any divorce rule. Oh, and cheating was clearly OK, at least for the men.
@@here_we_go_again2571 no it was founded by a king who wanted an anulment of an illegal marriage which he was well within his rights to request and the pope was bound by cannon law to accept. The pope having refused to accept this reasonable request had to be done away with. Frankly the papistsery had to be done away with anyway this happened to be the most reasonable way out.
Never understood that it was ok to marry cousins, nieces and nephews-as long as the women were virgins. But couldn’t marry anyone that was divorced . But accepted even expected to have affairs with married women.
All throughout history, the rulers marrying their own family was about keeping power and the kingdom in the family... dynasty... a continuum of control that followed the "in" group vision of the world. Hence in this series, the many plots about various potential and existing marriage partners not fitting in or bucking the dictates of the dynastic codes. Injudicious behaviour can easily bring the whole edifice crashing down, hence the harsh consequences meted out to those who step out of line and why some of the familial relationships look so cold.
Divorce is against God's mandate and reinforced by Jesus Christ. So, the Crown could not be supportive. A.A. Jones was not a good man. Margaret wanted freedom but would not pay the cost of losing the prestige and luxury the Crown afforded.
If I were QE2, after all that I'd look at Tommy and ask him to remind me why Margaret originally marrying Townsend would have been so bad for the monarchy.
Tommy (as portrayed in the show) is a petty egotist who enjoys causing misery and lording his power over others, especially those who think highly of their own position. I have no idea why people like him. I guess a nice deep voice, position of authority, and professional delivery is all you need to be seen as competent, even when you are objectively worse than useless.
@@HALLish-jl5moyou couldn’t be more wrong. He is very competent. You just don’t like what he’s competent at. I also take it you don’t particularly like what his job must inevitably entail, as well as the entire history he had at the palace. He was the personal secretary of King Edward and went through the abdication which was a crisis. He wanted to avoid that kind of close call again. He explains his position and beliefs, as well as his motivations for such in the episode where he is retiring. Radical changes in any system CAN cause it to collapse. His job was to protect the institution, and considering the many decades that it followed intact, I’d say he competently contributed to that.
@@abehambino The abdication was not a crisis! A monarch did it literally 2 weeks ago without issue. A Nazi sympathizer for a king would have been a crisis, the abdication avoided that. Much cleaner than a coup, regiside, or genocide, which were the three logical alternatives. Divorced people marrying into the family? We literally have a divorced king and queen, non issue. Divine lightning did not strike them down. He badly handled imaginary crises, and patted himself on the back.
@@HALLish-jl5mo they didn’t know at the time about the Nazi sympathizer, and yes, it was a crisis. As for the rest, you are talking about issues that have had decades of hindsight, and couldn’t be known through the lenses of the time, and that includes the abdication of a couple of weeks ago
Townsend was a predator. He was 16 years older than Margaret, a married man with two children, and her family's employee when he and Margaret started their romance. When they broke up, he married a woman who was even younger than Margaret.
In a subsequent scene the Queen hints to her sister at what she knows, but is too intimidated by Margaret's anger to actually tell the specifics. Margaret indicates she knows what she is in for, and the Queen relinquishes any effort to control Margaret's choices.
Therefore, they rejected a fully respectable Peter Townsend for being divorced and lacking a full pedigree accepting instead a profligate libertine that could not be considered respectable under any light. The irony.
Margaret sure knew how to pick 'em. One divorced and one gay. Lol She was a princess and a young and beautiful woman, why couldn't she find a suitable candidate, one with titles preferably?
@@dimitris1988kom You say that this guy had four side chicks, because he needed to prove he is not gay? 😅 No, he had them because He wanted And could have them. Bisexuality exists. This is something I never understand, if you are able to open your mind and believe that not everyone is heterosexual, why is there a line on bisexuality? 😅
@@saranemcova5448 Let me put it this way: for straight men there is no difference between gay and bi, we see them both as "not straight", which is to say less of a man
It's the guild over Townsend that caused Elizabeth to allow Harry to do as he liked and look what happened. Sometimes, you have to do things right the first time and not make up for it later.
What Isabel wants is to know who she is marrying and a good detective who discovers Tony's secrets even got a married woman pregnant who had sex, but if she knows that her sister Margarita is happy, she respects him.
Their archaic marriage “rules” should have been eradicated when Edward wanted to marry Wallis Simpson. Although we would not necessarily have had Elizabeth as Queen, which would be horrendous; however, I am certain that she would have had her beloved father for more years, and Edward, Margaret, and Charles would have partnered with whom they loved and many lives would have been happier, if not saved.
Be thankful Edward and Wallis weren't allowed to marry and keep the throne. Both were Nazi collaborators. I doubt people in the UK would have preferred speaking German.
LOL, how's Captain Townsend looking now, Your Majesty? I like the BRF, but their reasons for wanting to see Margaret end her relationship with Peter were so silly to my 21st century thinking, part of me feels they deserved Tony's checkered past. There are worse things than being a divorcee.
Both Townsend and Armstrong-Jones were horrible options. Margaret's poor choices in men should've been ignored and a suitable marriage arranged for her by her sister.
@@cg8397 They weren't even her worse choices. John Bindon was a premier league criminal who is said to have carried out several murders but I suspect the attraction there was the fact that he had a 13 inch penis.
The queen followed the rules and yeah she could have let her marry him but it would have been bad for the monarch however she couldn't keep saying no to her sister and Margaret fell for him bc he was free and spontaneous and fun they fought all the time 😅 I don't think the Queens understanding oh how bad can a guy make us look 😅well buckle up not to mention his mother was a clout chaser herself
1:16 The Queen says "I see" in a way that conveys "I haven't the foggiest idea what you're talking about but I'm very much afraid you're about to tell me".
She's like a personified question mark almost throughout the scene 😂
I agree.
Tommy dominates every scene he’s in, absolutely incredible acting
A great royal consiglieri role I'd say.
The way Tommy breaks out the information to her trying to be respectful in his convey and hence his choice of words and Michael being like "you handle it, I could never..."--amazing scene. Keeping in mind the times and the mentality, and amidst everything they discover Tony as polyamourous. Great, great screenplay.
"the STRAIGHT and NARROW path." awkward pause* "his own sex...his proposed best man"
Queen realising he's means sex with other men "eww" covers her eyes.
Tommy's distaste about this whole thing, his embarrassment but determination to tell Her Majesty everything is brilliantly depicted. His disdain for the photographer is palpable. The Queens subtle look of horror is priceless so how did he get to marry Margaret???
This is supremely funny. The subtlety of it all. Lascelles was a dangerous man. The last of the great tv series, perhaps.
These are just the natural ones.... I nearly spit out my coffee
“Natural” indeed. His view, understandable given his life’s experience.
And to think Margaret was allowed to marry him and not Peter.
They had screwed Marguerite up so badly it was too late to turn back
She couldnt keep saying no to her
@@inmyelementblue7186who tf is Marguerite? 😂😂
@@Anon12077and Tommy?
@@Ariana-wv4pf I think they're referring to Tommy Lascelles, the guy advising the Queen.(?)
The histrionics of The Crown notwithstanding, one wonders how much calmer and sensible Margaret's life would have been, had she been allowed to marry that Townsend chap.
Margaret didn't do calm and sensible. That's what makes the two sisters such a striking pair of opposite temperaments.
Margaret would have jettisoned him in time, too … A thoroughly selfish, self-involved, pleasure-seeking woman.
The system is truly messed up if someone like Tony, who was morally wrong in every way, was allowed to marry into the Royal Family but someone like Peter, who was perfect except for one technical flaw, was not.
And the "flaw" was technically not even a flaw. All the problem was that he was divorced. That's it. That's the only reason he wasn't allowed to marry her, all because of the people at church were all old men and were like "noooo you're divorced :(" even though peter was divorced in the first place because of his wife who cheated on him
The Church of England was
founded by a king who wanted
a divorce --- Ironic eh?
@@here_we_go_again2571 Having Henry set the example several times, I can't believe that C of E would have any divorce rule. Oh, and cheating was clearly OK, at least for the men.
@@syedkhalid2993no, it was because of the Abdication twenty years before...
@@here_we_go_again2571 no it was founded by a king who wanted an anulment of an illegal marriage which he was well within his rights to request and the pope was bound by cannon law to accept. The pope having refused to accept this reasonable request had to be done away with. Frankly the papistsery had to be done away with anyway this happened to be the most reasonable way out.
Never understood that it was ok to marry cousins, nieces and nephews-as long as the women were virgins. But couldn’t marry anyone that was divorced . But accepted even expected to have affairs with married women.
All throughout history, the rulers marrying their own family was about keeping power and the kingdom in the family... dynasty... a continuum of control that followed the "in" group vision of the world. Hence in this series, the many plots about various potential and existing marriage partners not fitting in or bucking the dictates of the dynastic codes. Injudicious behaviour can easily bring the whole edifice crashing down, hence the harsh consequences meted out to those who step out of line and why some of the familial relationships look so cold.
House of Freaks...
Divorce is against God's mandate and reinforced by Jesus Christ. So, the Crown could not be supportive.
A.A. Jones was not a good man.
Margaret wanted freedom but would not pay the cost of losing the prestige and luxury the Crown afforded.
If I were QE2, after all that I'd look at Tommy and ask him to remind me why Margaret originally marrying Townsend would have been so bad for the monarchy.
Tommy (as portrayed in the show) is a petty egotist who enjoys causing misery and lording his power over others, especially those who think highly of their own position.
I have no idea why people like him. I guess a nice deep voice, position of authority, and professional delivery is all you need to be seen as competent, even when you are objectively worse than useless.
@@HALLish-jl5moyou couldn’t be more wrong. He is very competent. You just don’t like what he’s competent at. I also take it you don’t particularly like what his job must inevitably entail, as well as the entire history he had at the palace. He was the personal secretary of King Edward and went through the abdication which was a crisis. He wanted to avoid that kind of close call again. He explains his position and beliefs, as well as his motivations for such in the episode where he is retiring. Radical changes in any system CAN cause it to collapse. His job was to protect the institution, and considering the many decades that it followed intact, I’d say he competently contributed to that.
@@abehambino The abdication was not a crisis! A monarch did it literally 2 weeks ago without issue.
A Nazi sympathizer for a king would have been a crisis, the abdication avoided that. Much cleaner than a coup, regiside, or genocide, which were the three logical alternatives.
Divorced people marrying into the family? We literally have a divorced king and queen, non issue. Divine lightning did not strike them down.
He badly handled imaginary crises, and patted himself on the back.
@@HALLish-jl5mo they didn’t know at the time about the Nazi sympathizer, and yes, it was a crisis. As for the rest, you are talking about issues that have had decades of hindsight, and couldn’t be known through the lenses of the time, and that includes the abdication of a couple of weeks ago
Townsend was a predator. He was 16 years older than Margaret, a married man with two children, and her family's employee when he and Margaret started their romance. When they broke up, he married a woman who was even younger than Margaret.
In a subsequent scene the Queen hints to her sister at what she knows, but is too intimidated by Margaret's anger to actually tell the specifics. Margaret indicates she knows what she is in for, and the Queen relinquishes any effort to control Margaret's choices.
The Crown always knows everything.
Well with MI5 on its side. Im sure it does.
Therefore, they rejected a fully respectable Peter Townsend for being divorced and lacking a full pedigree accepting instead a profligate libertine that could not be considered respectable under any light.
The irony.
They truly believe their blood is blue, and somehow pure. Insane. Pedigreed like dogs.
Margaret sure knew how to pick 'em. One divorced and one gay. Lol
She was a princess and a young and beautiful woman, why couldn't she find a suitable candidate, one with titles preferably?
Gurl Anthony was bisexual.......
@@Sassyvibes06 there is no bisexual, bisexual really means gay
@@dimitris1988kom you must be born in the 1800s do actually think that sh!t, how did he fx¢ked girls too then?
@@dimitris1988kom You say that this guy had four side chicks, because he needed to prove he is not gay? 😅 No, he had them because He wanted And could have them.
Bisexuality exists. This is something I never understand, if you are able to open your mind and believe that not everyone is heterosexual, why is there a line on bisexuality? 😅
@@saranemcova5448 Let me put it this way: for straight men there is no difference between gay and bi, we see them both as "not straight", which is to say less of a man
Keep it coming with the crown videos please. My favorite show on Netflix.
Same
1:53 Wow, I always wondered how Jackie Chan got his start in movies. Now I know, and I'm shocked.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHA.....Brilliant!
😂😂😂
Good one.
I literally spit out a mouthful of wine laughing so hard when I read this.
Amazes me on how they have a picture of literally everyone😂
Lord if she ONLY KNEW then the name camilla would become another problem for her down the road 🤷♀️
Exactly! xD I laughed when they said Camilla
That's not Vanessa Kirby..
Jeez he was even with Jackie Chan. I wonder if he knew Bruce Lee as well.
Lol brilliant!!
The Jackie Chan they refer to was a woman. Pay attention.
@@lisamcallister6534 humor is weak in you
😂5th grade goes on for life. 😅😂
A bunch of infantile children doing a poor job of pretending to be adults while showing all too obviously that they are indeed infantile children.
Tommy Lascelles is my absolute favorite villain.
Probably because he's not a villain.
Where are you getting "villain" from? Lascelles was a courtier with a formidable resume.
@@thedailywin537 in the series, he is portrayed as ruthless, cold and destroying a loving relationship. Spells villain to me
A Villian? No just a civil servant and confident of the queen
Antagonist might be a better word
I think that this is when Elizabeth knew she fucked up.
They were both at it .her love was jhon Bingham in later years
John Bindon. He first gave Margaret his 12 incher on a beach in Mustique. He was also a serious criminal who was later tried for murder.
A very sad situation to be in whoever you are no laughs here
It's the guild over Townsend that caused Elizabeth to allow Harry to do as he liked and look what happened. Sometimes, you have to do things right the first time and not make up for it later.
Harry did and does quite well!!!! Good on Queen Elizabeth and Good on Prince Harry!!!!! 😊 💖💖
@@miriamhavard7621 Sure, we all know why you think that.
@@miriamhavard7621 then why has he not been home with his lovely wife and children for an month now?
It's like posh Jeremy Kyle
What Isabel wants is to know who she is marrying and a good detective who discovers Tony's secrets even got a married woman pregnant who had sex, but if she knows that her sister Margarita is happy, she respects him.
the straight path, huh? 😄
Their archaic marriage “rules” should have been eradicated when Edward wanted to marry Wallis Simpson. Although we would not necessarily have had Elizabeth as Queen, which would be horrendous; however, I am certain that she would have had her beloved father for more years, and Edward, Margaret, and Charles would have partnered with whom they loved and many lives would have been happier, if not saved.
Be thankful Edward and Wallis weren't allowed to marry and keep the throne. Both were Nazi collaborators. I doubt people in the UK would have preferred speaking German.
Edward was a Nazi sympathizer. He would have been a disaster for the UK. And we know from Wallis' letters that she never loved Edward.
Other than the tiny problem of having a Nazi loving King sitting on the throne.
What’s the background here? Why is Mr Armstrong jones relevant?
He is being vetted as a suitable husband for Princess Margaret. Spoiler: they did marry, but eventually divorced.
@@AdaKizi248 thank you
When tommy says unnatural once In regards to Tony's relati think he means homosexuality. Because I think tony snowden was by
He explained exactly what he meant...
I think he was too. Why would he hate his wife unless of course she was not what he desires.
Indeed he does. Homosexuality was regarded as unnatural in the sensibilities of old.
@@camatis9661 He was bisexual. The reason he hated his wife was that he was as weird as fuck
Da ya think so? :)
When the wife subject was reached, i was dead 😂😂😂
LOL, how's Captain Townsend looking now, Your Majesty? I like the BRF, but their reasons for wanting to see Margaret end her relationship with Peter were so silly to my 21st century thinking, part of me feels they deserved Tony's checkered past. There are worse things than being a divorcee.
Both Townsend and Armstrong-Jones were horrible options. Margaret's poor choices in men should've been ignored and a suitable marriage arranged for her by her sister.
@@cg8397 They weren't even her worse choices. John Bindon was a premier league criminal who is said to have carried out several murders but I suspect the attraction there was the fact that he had a 13 inch penis.
She did try with Billy Wallace though, who was in good standing with the Royal Family, but he screwed it up. @@cg8397
it was her dear ministers and ecclesiatics that put an end to that. she should call them all in and ask.
The queen followed the rules and yeah she could have let her marry him but it would have been bad for the monarch however she couldn't keep saying no to her sister and Margaret fell for him bc he was free and spontaneous and fun they fought all the time 😅 I don't think the Queens understanding oh how bad can a guy make us look 😅well buckle up not to mention his mother was a clout chaser herself
I did realise Jackie Chan was that old 😂
And he was bisexual
What about prince pedo? No episode of him?
That is too late an event; the series concludes with Charles marrying Camilla.
@@SamvedIyer Oh please, Andrew was doing illegal shit before Charles married Camilla
Hes even in that scene
Elizabeth is carrying him in this scene.