This awful NBA free agency decision involved a Jason Kidd rescue mission and ... Patrick Roy?
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- NBA free agency is weird to begin with. NBA free agency gets especially weird when a player changes his mind mid-stream. That's how you end up with executives and players frantically bothering -- and even holding captive -- a guy trying to make one of the most important decisions of his career.
Such was the case in 1999, when star power forward Antonio McDyess planned to sign with the Denver Nuggets, a team that had traded him to the Phoenix Suns just a year prior. Despite Denver's inferior salary offer, inferior team, inferior weather ... it's just what Antonio wanted. Until he didn't. And then he did again.
McDyess's waffling sparked an all-out pursuit from both the Suns and Nuggets, which led to a very strange scene: One team trying to keep him focused inside their arena while the other team sat outside the arena, desperately trying to get in and rescue Antonio. It was weird.
CORRECTION: 7:33 we included a photo of Marc Denis, not Patrick Roy. we will be going to bed with no supper as a result.
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Glad to see you both in a video. Even if you didnt yell BEEF!
it feels like the nuggets pulled a lebron and there was this plan to have him leave the team so they could improve through the draft since no free agents came to denver at that time and they did go 11-71 and that roster feels like a tank roster like 2015-2016 philly or 2011-2012 bobcats levels of tanking and then he comes back maybe the team had this plan without telling him or he could of been involved in this plan and knew the whole time....thats what it seems like to me...maybe i am wrong....who knows
Just based on the decor, I'm really convinced that Seth and Will are just video calling each other from opposite sides of the same room. 😅
A big brain move to bypass social distancing
So true
@@dannyphantom47 Joe rogan still running podcasts no mask or anything. They're definitely sharing joint as well lol
Haha! Spot-on 😅
@@karlg1535 Yeah but Joe is a moron
The Kidd Identity, The Kidd Supremacy, The Kidd Ultimatum, The Kidd Legacy, Jason Kidd.
its so weird how two legends like jason kidd an steve nash played on the suns and mavs twice within a decade in their primes.....wtf?....
Jesus Christ, it's Jason Kidd.
which is the one where he spills water as a coach to earn an extra timeout?
cnl1213 Jason Kidd
Jackson Hitchcock work !
I’m glad to see some of the classic SB nation boys
All that’s missing is a Jon Bois cameo
Jordan retires, and every team’s like:
“We’re contenders!”
And then the Spurs and Lakers emerged
And Jim Dolan makes his presence known in New York.
Every team when LeBron leaves gonna be the same way
@@metoo9334 What are you talking about? A ton of teams have been able to eat with Lebron at the table. He doesn't instill that kind of fear in other teams because his track record shows he's going to lose most of the time. So if you face Lebron in the Finals, chances are you're going to win. Why would a team be afraid of that? I'll just say it again, if you play against Lebron in the Finals you are probably winning the series lol come on, man.
2:20
Will’s moustache makes him look like a 76 year old southerner who sits on his porch shouting at his barking dog all day.
my final form
‘Get off ma lawn, Seth!’
Sam Cave more like 52, he isn’t gray enough for a 72 year old
The Hermitage t-shirt definitely adds to that.
You’re just giving him more ideas!
Moral of the story: KD would have stayed in OKC if the OKC front office got him a hockey stick
he's already got 2 attached to his hip
*3
Quick, someone get Sean Marks a hockey stick!
....
Crazy how this comment is so relevant again 2 years later...
It is extremely impressive that you not only found a picture of Marc Denis, which is hard enough to do on its own, but also managed to confuse him for Patrick Roy somehow, and it made it all the way past editing and into a video. That takes skill.
I spent twenty minutes TRYING to find out who was in the picture and I'm a lifelong Avalanche fan. If you just look up "NHL Goalie" your odds of finding Roy are pretty good. If you look up "Old Avalanche Goalie," Roy is going to be 99% of the results lol
Anyone think they were trying to screw this up on purpose? Just for whatever reason to attempt to discredit hockey? Maybe one of them has a personal complaint about the sport
@@milochanel9491 No, they were probably really tired when editing the video, which happens more often than you'd think.
I came here to say this but you put it in a way that is 100x funnier than I would have. I'm dying XD
@@nickbrennan8979 I dunno man, I mean I'm super tired while watching this video and it only took me a second to start wondering why they were taking about Roy, and showing a picture of someone that, ignoring the mask art, isn't even wearing 33.
The funniest thing is he went on to play for the Suns again in 2003-04
And refuse another trade back to Denver in 09 🤦🏾♂️
@@ceezydion3900 of course he chooses to go to Denver in 1999 when they were straight trash only to pass on the chance to go back there 10 years later when they'd actually become a legit contender lol.
As a lifelong Suns fan, this is one of the funniest things I've ever learned about my team. Thank you so much.
Living it as a teen was not so fun. We got stuck with Tom Gugliotta instead.
Noel Searles GOOGS
@@gamingwithnoel Gugliotta definitely wasn't as flashy as McDyess but his production still pretty solid his first 2 years in Phoenix before that ACL tear near the end of 1999-2000 slowly killed his career.
Rodney Rogers was better than both
McDyess being a Roy fan might be the most random fact ever
Interesting thing is, he was a Knick in 2002.
What I want to know, is who is the double agent feeding the Nuggets information about the Sun's Extraction team. Like someone was telling them who they were, when they were coming, what they were doing.
Who was that person and were they ever found?
Given his history, I bet it was Kidd the whole time.
It Was A Mole Within The Camp
Maybe it was chuck
@@Booster37 that would be a mystery solved
Plot twist: He went to the Nuggets so he could wear the "C" on his jersey as captain...
Wow, that was interesting timing on the ad I got.
"I could see Jason Kidd getting greased up and climbing through vents."
"At Farmer's, we know a thing or two, because we've seen a thing or two..." [Skip]
"Including a Kidd grabbing major air."
*Cuts to Jason In the vents getting blown out the side of the building onto someones car breaking their windows*
"NBA offseason 1999"
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I got “Verizon knows how to build unlimited right ... skip” hahah unlimited grease for the kidd
I missed these boys. Welcome back, boys. Never leave me again.
Mom! Stop!
Yo for the record, Patrick Roy was the greatest goalie of all time on a historic Colorado Avalanche team at a time where Hockey was actually super popular so it's really not that surprising that he has a fan lolol
Idk...i always like guy lafluer of the canadiens
Unfathomable that the topic would shift to the game being played onsite like two hours from then.
He was a good goalie.... greatest of all time nah
@@philthornton1382 Definitely one of them. My favorite was always Dominic Hasek.
@@philthornton1382 I mean up for debate for sure, but the man took a decent-at-best Montreal squad for two cups, perfected and popularized the butterfly, and is the only goalie to win the Conn Smythe on two different teams. He was like an artist to watch. But full disclosure, I did grow up an Avs fan so I am biased. I still don't see it being crazy that in a town that enjoys hockey, on a great squad, a basketball player would be a fan and be excited to meet him
You also forgot to mention that he injures his knee then gets traded to the Knicks a few seasons later for Nene and never becomes the same player again. That's a whole another topic in itself.
It was the most Knicks trade possible
Christopher Suswal he has a few decent seasons with the Pistons as a 6th man.
Yes,I was out in Denver 02-03,clearly remember McDyess for Nene basically!!
& then McDyess returns to the Suns afterward! lol
You know what,McDyess might have started that long stretch from the early 2000s to around 2010 where the Knicks just kept overpaying for players who got injured after getting a big contract,I remember all those players they couldn't wait to get off the books to free up money!!
"The McDyess Gate" having some bad knees... The guy made a lot of 💰
Knicks fan here. I can definitely vouch for the fact he made ALOT of money to not play at all for two seasons. Good thing we gave up prime-Marcus Camby and a draft pick that could've gotten us prime-Amare.
@@TheTwinkiefoot Ya'll should trade Dolan to the dumpster 🗑 right outside MSG! Lol 🤣
@@TheTwinkiefoot classic Knicks bungling decison making
@@zeke3388 there's not a day that goes by where I wish he could've been on that helicopter and not Kobe, Gigi, the pilot and rest of the passengers.
Ironically the Suns gave Penny Hardaway the big money less than a year later after McDyess walked away from the Suns offer and Penny also got paid handsomely to miss a lot of games due to bad knees over the course of that contract.
This story actually has connections to the Clippers. The Clippers actually had the number 2 overall pick in the draft and drafted Antonio McDyess. Then subsequently traded McDyess to the Nuggets for forward Rodney Rogers and the rights to Oregon State’s Brent Barry, the Nuggets’ pick at No. 15 in the first round. Everyone was SHOCKED at that trade!!! Just the Clippers doing Clipper things I guess...
Free agency is the wildest time of the NBA season
in 1999 it was insane cause in late december no one thought an nba season was occurring heck on christmas it was very unlikely and players and owners and gms could not talk to one another..in less than 2 weeks everything changed and we had a season not even a month later basically after they decided it....free agency legit was started in like january and unlike the actual free agency period where teams talk to players well before it technically to the public starts this free agency actually was like 1 week of insanity
Trade deadline >>>> 😂😂
Now it is thanks to Lebron
Alternative title: the quarantine episode of thats weird
Will low-key looks like Henry Cavil with the mustache
But do Will's fists reload?
High key
That’s a good person to look like with a mustache
@@lemon6684 agree I think that's what he's goin for
7:33 - That is not a photo of Patrick Roy (#33). That's Mark Denis (#30).
Haha I noticed that, too.
great, now they aren't getting any supper tonight :(
yep. and the helmet design was a big giveaway
bleh, thanks for pointing that out. it's on me (Will) so in addition to no supper tonight I'll be rewatching the wings-avs beef on repeat until dawn
Yeah but the cartoon of Roy in the locker room is spot on
How in the Hell did you not end this with "and after all that drama, the moment he got injured, they shipped him to New York"
It's the cherry on top of the whole thing. It's why it's funny.
So basically this become Saving Private McDyess?
Except they failed.
Rewinder idea: Andy Dalton pass on 4th and 12 in 2017 vs Baltimore
As a Ravens fan, watching this would cause me immense pain
not being familiar with that particular play, what's the big deal? from the outside, it would seem you *_should_* pass on 4th and12.
@@oldfrend this it costed the ravens the playoffs
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@@doitwildly2863 ohhh you mean it being bad for the ravens. gotcha.
@@oldfrend It's also the play that broke Buffalo's playoff drought.
Maybe he had a agreement with Denver to go to the suns to get the draft picks and return to Denver afterwards and just get paid more under the table 🤨
I kinda wondered the same thing. It was a scheme to rob the Suns of some draft picks
@@tygerdude Joe Smith and the wolves in the 90's got caught being paid under the table, so I wouldn't be suprised if more of these schemes happened before
Luckily suns managed to get many first round picks in the 2010s.
I wonder how much it ironically ended up hurting D’Antoni in the long run.
Nuggets fans went through some misery back in the mid-90's early 2000's. Never did I think an NBA team was capable of only winning 11 games in an NBA season was possible until my Nuggets proved me wrong. McDyss was a lot of fun to watch though I always liked seeing him whenever I went to games. Once he left the team again though we went right back into being a 17-65 team lol
You gotta think about how bad Antonio messed up here. Now granted he was on the nets by the time it happened, but J kidd managed to go to the finals 2 times with a power forward that couldn’t shoot that good at all just 2 years after this story took place. Then we see him go to the finals again with dirk who was shooting lights out in perhaps one of the best runs to the finals in a long time for the team they were both drafted by. Makes me think he could have gon in 99 against the knicks (I know the spurs, but still).
mentions one hockey player ever, uses photo of completely different hockey player...
SB Nation: “Well, I didn’t know you were called Denis...”
Marc Denis, the Constitutional Backup Goalie: “Well, you didn’t even bother to find out!”
I want to see this story in a 2 hour AAA Hollywood Action Movie.
A lot of late 90’s PF/Cs seemed to move around a lot. McDyess, Webber, Howard, Joe Smith, Sheed, Camby, Vin Baker, Kemp, Coleman.
For me you need a 2019 cricket would cup moment in history. The fact it went down to the last ball of the super over. Know it's recent but still need it.
Especially the fact that they tied the super over and England won on Boundary countback, a rule that doesn’t exist anymore because of this game
Cricket? Nobody understands cricket. You gotta know what a crumpet is to understand cricket.
MrTUBEular10 it is complicated for sure, but if people can understand baseball or the NFL ( jeez that took me quite some time to understand), they can certainly understand cricket
MrTUBEular10 Jose Canseco bat? Tell me you didn’t pay money for this.
Nah. 1999 cricket World Cup semi final between Australia and South Africa was a legitimate moment in history which went on shape the future of cricket for the next 7-8 years.
Remember when billups was traded to the nuggets for allen iverson? Mcdyess was included in the trade back to denver, but he refused to play for them, because he hated how they locked out his suns teammates while negotiating with him.
The drawings of Rocky and the Suns Gorilla were on point
What a story! I often wondered about how or why would Antonio McDyess go back and rejoin the Denver Nuggets as a free agent. I liked how he described both the Suns extraction team and the Nuggets special forces driving through a blizzard in order to court McDyess. This was a good funny story.
No video about Antonio McDyess can be complete without the video of Kevin Garnett running away from him in terror.
The innocence of the animator made me tear,
Pagers will never show you "call me" 😂..
Only codes lol
As a young teenager I was a huge Jason Kidd fan. Didn’t understand why McDyess left Phoenix. I was so disappointed. They signed Tom Gugliotta. Not same player as McDyess. Kidd and McDyess had a great chemistry on the court. Could have maybe done some damage in West if everyone was healthy. I don’t know if they could beaten those Shaw and Kobe teams. Thanks for bringing up some good memories...Be safe and well!
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The only thing missing from this is the GM who traded McDyess was Allen Bristow. Who compiled a Nuggets team that went 11-71 that year. Issel was made GM after Bristow was fired. Also, Van Exel during the strike that year was training with McDyess and that friendship is what had him go back to the Nuggets.
As a Nuggets fan, the signing was good at the moment, but long term it did not provide the results they wanted.
By 2002 Van Exel and Raef LaFrentz we’re traded to Dallas, MyDyess that year has an injury where he sat out that whole year and during that offseason, McDyess was traded to the Knicks.
Tough period for us Nuggets fans
"Or you can take a left turn into beef town"
You said Netflix and chill.
Best one in a while. Love the drawings, especially all the ones of Rocky 😂😂
Yes I giggled for some reason. I questioned if he is the most popular or if Benny was
Rocky P.I lol
Such a random ass story, but I feel like this is how the NBA really is at this point in FA
What makes this story even more funny is that the Nuggets trade him again in 2002 to New York and then New York trades him mid season back to Phoenix. AND in 2008 Detroit traded him to Denver!! (Ended up not playing, as Denver bought out the contract)
I know you guys at SB have been gutted but these videos never disappoint
You should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
dumb
Dude are you actually Eric silver? I feel like he’d do el silvero but if it is u I’m a huge fan
@@wyomingptt (_)_):::::::::D*`~~
@@wyomingptt the video has literally been made now. ur dumb
For real, I would watch a movie based on this story.
I mean waving Patrick Roy in front of someone as a reason to stay would be either terrifying (because Roy's got that death glare from an icy hell) or convincing (because it's Roy). On another note, I petition for Will to keep that stache for a while, it's a beauty.
The Last Dance is great and all but we need a documentary about this 😂
A Dan Marino: Untitled would be great to see
we're working on it big cock!
You really did SB Nation wrong by making them say your username 😂
Dan Marino moment
no name fr
I 100% read SB Nations response before i saw the username 😂
Old mcdyess was pretty good for my pistons in a weird post championship era for them.
Was that a weird era?
I half-expected Patrick Roy to just be an extra on the Nuggets' rescue team for reasons beyond our comprehension lmao
As a Denver area resident, thx for this! BTW, the stretch of I-25 between Denver and Colorado Springs can be a nasty drive in bad weather, home to lots of big car pileups.
Lmao the 'RT King' for Rex Chapman. I feel like most people recognize him as a twitter guy than a former NBA player.
I prefer to recognize him as the guy who stole over $10K worth of stuff from the Apple store
I thought he was a Charlotte Hornet?
That money intended to be offered by the Suns to McDyess went to Penny Hardaway ($89M for 7 years). Thus, backcourt 2000 was born in Phoenix.
I'd rank whatever Clinton said over Jordan retiring, but number 1 is unanimously the biggest fib.
MORE LIKE THE JASON KIDNAPPERS
more like jason kidd-dui domestic abusers.....oh wait...
Am i right uhh uhhh
Jason Kiddnappers😂😂😂😂😂
He’ll be here all weekend folks!
Are you Kidding me? 😅
I had a Patrick Roy jersey in middle school even though I wasn’t a fan of hockey. Today is the day I learned that Roy was a goalie.
Roy was actually very superstitious about his sticks, him giving one to somebody is a huge deal (to him, at least). When he was with the Avs he once declined to give his stick to a little kid on national television because it was too important to give up.
Former Suns fan and this ordeal hurt bad. McDyess ruined the Kidd era with this move. Such a strange move in that McDyess took less money to go back to an awful team. Kidd was also pass first when Van Exel was shoot first and last!
Storytelling was on point in this one.
As a nuggets fan, this video is great
Interesting story,I was at Pepsi Center for that 1st game back with the Nuggets,man he was a double-double machine,I digress,I showed up for Shawn Marions debut which was also James Poseys debut,when I used to collect autographs,I got all their autographs including old Hall of Famer Dan Issel,I could go on and on,what a night!!!
It's a shame injuries hit McDyess so hard, he was an absolute beast before them.
This was hilarious. I am surprised the Cavaliers didn't pull a The Rock type scenario when LeBron defected to Miami.
I could see this as a movie with fletch style day dreams. I idea of Jason Kids in the back of the limo dreamming about climb through airvents with a giant afro makes me giggle.
Weird situation: In a high school basketball game in Delaware or Pennsylvania, the end of the game only ended up having 3 people on the floor due to an all-out brawl where everyone but three players got double technicals
This story feels like it could be a really weird movie script.
He went back to Denver for less money…….there is more to this story that we don't know.
I'm kind of in love with the aesthetic of two dudes talking about weird stories with an absolutely dogsh*t apple earbud mic
Plot twist: the photo at 7:33 is not a mistake. The Nuggets GM introduced McDyess to Marc Denis and told him it was Patrick Roy. They had tried to get Roy's attention, but he couldn't hear them because of the two Stanley Cup rings plugging his ears.
"What do I need to know about Antonio McDyess?"
/sighs
Youth is wasted on the young....
This Is hilarious...I was in college in Colorado at this time I knew these players but not this story!
I've always loved Dice and was devastated when Detroit lost the finals in 2005 in seven games and he wasn't able to get his ring. 😓
I suffered some childhood heartbreak when this went down.Dice was my favorite player on the Suns at the time.I was shocked when he chose not to play on a playoff team with Jason Kidd.From what I remember hearing, Dice didn't get along with Danny Ainge.Dice was a very sensitive, small town kind of guy.He basically thought Ainge was an insensitive A-hole and Dice couldn't tolerate playing for him any longer.
Free agency is great, I remember when Kawhi & Paul George shocked everyone by joining the Clippers.
Kawhi wasn’t a shocker. But trading for paul George most definitely was
This might be the only time I can ever remember a player as good as McDyess was voluntarily taking a noticeable pay cut to play for a vastly inferior team when he could've gotten paid a lot more to play for a contender smh.
And then a few years later the Nuggets traded him to the Knicks in a complete robbery of trade that helped land Denver Marcus Camby and Nene
(Sorry to any Knicks fans reading this for reminding you of that)
This is one of the funniest storys told on this channel. I laughed my ass off.
6:40 when you live in the foothills, like the entire city of Denver and the burroughs are, every afternoon in the winter there's a snowstorm. it may barely be flakes in town, but with the vicious winds whipping snowfall from off the mountains, it can be harder to drive in than an calm foot of snow falling back east
(from new england, spent 3yrs of school in denver)
7:33 Not Patrick Roy...
Not to mention Colangelo got him back in 2004 in Phoenix
Remember he was part of the 2008-2009 Detroit and Denver trade that sent him to Denver which he refused to play for and eventually made his was back to Detroit
Yep, and now I understand why lol
bro on the left is frieedddddd 😭😭😂
Seth would have a zebra picture on his wall
I still have the Dan Issel bobble head given out as a gift from the Nuggets. Issel got fired that same night.
Would love to see a video about the match USSR - Italy in EURO 1968. It ended with 0-0 and there were no penalty shootout at that time, so referee just tossed a coin. And Italy won.
OMG WTF? A COIN DECIDED A TIE? That must of been akward
Yeah the Nuggets were pretty terrible. NO WONDER ROCKY HUNG HIMSELF!
Didn't Dikembe Mutumbo play for the Nuggets around that time?
Edit: he left in '96 for Atlanta
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I got an another Maccabi Tel Aviv fiasco for you guys. the year is 1998. A euroleague game between Maccabi and Cibona Zagrev. The last game in the first stage of the regular season. Maccabi won the first game between the 2 teams by 19 points. Down 73-57 with 01:30 left, Maccabi coach, the "colorful" Pini Gershon realized they could not win the game. They also realized that it's better for them to lose by at least 19 so Cibona would pass them in the group table. that way, Maccabi would get a more comfortable draw in the next stage (meaning teams Maccabi feels are weaker than the other possible draw). So Maccabi started jacking up hopeless 3's and quickly fouling Cibona Players. Cibona's coach caught up though (He was fired from Maccabi the year prior) . he told his players to intentionally miss free throws. so then we have a couple minutes of hilarity including a Maccabi player accidentally banking in a 3. In the final seconds and up 17, A Cibona player gets 2 more FTs. He bricks the first one. On the bottom of the screen you can see Maccabi player Gur Shelef, instructing his teammate, the 7-3 Constantine Popa to go for the "accidental" tip-in to their own basket after the upcoming, expected miss. Alas the Cibona player was one step ahead and made the FT. putting his team 18 points up and making sure Maccabi wouldnt reach their goal. Let me know if you want more context and stories about this story. they are a plenty!
For those of you who don't know. Antonio McDyess was the Man back in his heyday
Seth you are the greatest! I only watch videos with you in them.
As a Suns fan this is so painful to relive. I had tried to forget this and almost successfully did until SB Nation brings back up our painful history.
Yep. They signed Tom Gugliotta to replace him and it just never worked. Mcdyess made an awful decision.
@@christophersuswal9544 Forgot about Gugliotta. The next Larry Bird, if Bird couldn't pass, and shot with his left hand.
@@christophersuswal9544 I try to pretend the post Barkley era through Marbury era never existed.
@@jamesmarshall6619 I have a soft spot for the Marbury, Marion, Amare, Penny and Joe Johnson team. Senior year of high school
Being a suns cards and coyotes fan has to be suffering...thank god the d backs had a steroid mvp and got it done or else Arizona pro sports would be the most cursed
Chapman is the KING of retweets he blows up my feed all day every day 😂 😂 😂
Suns also had Nash and KJ at that time too. It was the first time I've seen a small-ball team in KJ, Nash, Kidd, Chapman, Person, McCloud, Robinson, and Mcdyess. It only worked with Mcdyess due to his athleticism. That's why he was badly needed in Phoenix.
These two guys need their own show. They are the best
Will is absolutely rocking the 'stache, I hope he keeps it.
Watching this the day clifford Robinson passef so kinda weird he was randomly mentioned in this video
This story needs to be made in a movie