I get it and thanks for sharing. Running is supposed to be fun, that's the key part, and if you're not enjoying it as you should you're not beholden to any one mate. If you're enjoying the shorter workouts and they're making you happy, maybe think about using shorter distance events as a target to allow for more of them? Life's too short to force us to do stuff in our free time we don't want to do. Personally, I've steered clear of a full marathon as a target as I don't think I'll enjoy 4 hour long sessions, but I love doing stuff up to 2 hours. Cut your cloth to what you're enjoying, basically. God, I can ramble.
Yeah I have a few shorter distance targets in mind for next year, some races I can target and ultimately, you can race more with the shorter distance stuff, which is ultimately what I love!
100%. We are hobby runners not professionals. If it takes over your life, you’ve gone way too far and taken it far too seriously.. I’ve regretted entering halves this year and not really enjoyed it. When you get old like me, your PBs (which are totally meaningless anyway as it’s never enough, is it?) are long in the past. Just parkruns and 10ks for me next year…..and maybe one half 🤣🤣🤣. Oh and **** others and social medjah
@@TheFODRunner think I've mentioned this before but: my wife is mostly ok with us using a few days of holiday for a city break where I do the half and then we've a few days exploring after. The training isn't all encompassing and the post event carb loading is much more fun!
@@mikedavies7492 I too am old and am going to use target times in half marathons to keep me focused, for now. Thinking about doing more trails soon though, to break things up
This is why I relate to your content... You show the reality of a running journey, warts and all. If we're honest, at times, we all suffer from feeling flat and doubt our path. For me, I'd say stick with the marathon prog. as you're so far in but maybe just reassess your goal for that race...don't put pressure on yourself to hit a really fast time (as I think you were)...maybe see it just as a stepping stone to set up your next training block with great fitness. Longer term, perhaps re-evaluate what really gets you going as a runner...is it the faster, shorter stuff ? Are 10 ks and half marathons more enjoyable? Is it those marathons abroad? Are you just doing certain distances because you feel you should for the channel? Does the reality of your life outside running make marathon training desirable at the moment ? Are you putting too much pressure on yourself for results because of your following? Whatever you decide, in the scheme of things, it is only for a short time...better you enjoy what you are doing and are still doing it into later life than end up seeing it as a constant, uphill treadmill! Replay that Cheltenham win in your mind whenever you're low!
Thanks buddy, appreciate it. Great suggestions. Opportunities have been there this year to run bigger and better races but after London I chose to stick to a low key event and that ultimately makes me feel good... although I will go back to a future bigger race at some stage. For sure, i'm trying to find and enter races that work well for me and the family rather than the channel. I do however find that I am preferring to travel a bit for some faster races, that lights a good fire in the gut!! Thanks so much
Thanks Andy for your honesty. Normalising the highs and lows of training is so important. When I started to feel overwhelmed by the training, I just get back to basics. Take it one run at a time and give each run your best. You can’t ask any more of yourself than that. ❤
Great video Andy. Stick with it and take the benefits and lessons learned into the next block to continue building onwards and upwards in your running journey👍🏻💪
I have noticed with very many running UA-camrs that the underlying theme is all about marathons and then often trying to run as many as possible with the performance aims often secondary to just getting round as it were and maybe the highlight is the more the shakeout run the day before than doing yourself justice in the race itself. That all said I have definitely noticed for myself that training for a marathon has been, in recent years, a more effective way of training for 5K/10K than so called specific training. I think that is in part of being older than I was not and so the longer, slightly less intense training, is maybe less risky. Case in point me being injured last few months. I think in marathon training any race is a good aim for similar reasons. I also think by and large elite athletes don't keep changing their target event every few months - they might use "off season" to do more "traditional" base building or some lower key races but all in support of their primary aims when their biggest race comes around. I've done Seville Marathon twice now and it is possibly the flattest course you will find, has great support, good weather (if warmer than you might find at home in February!) and a big field but not so big can't move as it were. For sure I would get more motivated for that than Abingdon which sure is a good race but not quite the same vibe. That all said suggest keep at it and if you just don't think racing the race will be of longer term benefit then you don't have to. I've entered quite a few marathons which tried to make the line for but never did - largely due to injury.
It’s money isn’t it, let’s be honest… the marathon majors have a big appeal and a big audience, helps channel growth etc… maybe I should do more 😂 but I’ve never been sold on the whole majors thing, there’s a few of them I’m keen on but not all of them. I agree on the fact that it definitely helps the shorter distance times, which is why I was negotiating with myself to stick it out, as I know the benefits I’ll get. But I think I’ll break after this one…
@@TheFODRunner I think if chasing views and money is the principle reason you do UA-cam then yeah for sure. What I like about your channel, and indeed most resonate with personally, that you document your training as a serious if non elite runner first and foremost. If you try some shoes in my size along the way so much the better. So yeah I say do what you think you like best and that may not necessarily be marathons. It never was for me.
Really appreciate your honesty. Best of luck with your training and I hope that some of the wobbles you’re experiencing will make the end success all the sweeter.
Andy, content such as this is why, in my eyes, you’re the best runner channel on UA-cam. The honesty and relatability of a busy many trying to juggle work, family life amongst other commitments, unlike many “full time UA-camrs” who get paid to sell snakeoil etc. I missed 3 weeks recently in my marathon build up and was ready to pull out but my wife convinced me to do it as she knew if the race day came and I wasn’t there I’d be disappointed. (She was, as always right). I personally find marathon training, with two tinies at home, far too challenging and this will likely be my last for a while. 5ks and 10k fitness and PBs I find are achievable and manageable without the “I have to do 5-6days” a week mantra. Your point of “I have to” is also very relatable, often runners, myself included, say “I have to do X”this week…no you don’t, you have to be happy and enjoying your running and that’s more important than any weekly mileage number. Thanks very much for this video, so many people can relate to this topic, as many commenters have said, it’s a hobby it’s all about enjoyment, you don’t owe anything to anyone.
Thank you buddy. That’s very kind 👊 The wives are always right mate, whether we like to think it or not! They keep us grounded 🫡 it’s tricky isn’t it, this marathon training malarky… there’s an invisible pressure to hit certain targets that, at the end of the day really don’t matter as much as we make them out too in our heads! Onwards my friends… shorter distances are on their way 👊
Thank you for sharing your journey with us, with all its ups and downs. Appreciate your honesty and openness. I believe that things happen for a reason and whatever happens will happen for the best. All the best on your training. Hopefully see you in Abingdon! But if not, all the best with your training.
Absolutely can relate. I got into my 3rd Marathon block this summer and the motivation just hasn't come back. Heat and tiredness play a big role, but the amount of time on feet, the uncertain outcome in terms of fitness as well as a little frustration from not hitting any of my targets this year creep up on me. I'll keep it going anyways, but will reduce volume over winter and then do a proper half marathon block starting with january. Half marathons are just a lot of fun!
Great Video Andy, thank you for your honesty and humility about running and racing. I agree with many on here there is nothing that says you Must do a Marathon every season. I think about that the human body was definitely meant to run, our past hunting game, from predators, battles with enemies etc, but the max would have been over several miles and at varying speeds.However, the Marathon is strange bloody event, an almost mythical distance from history, the Olympics and the great feats of the past and present. But our bodies only hold about 1 hour and 45 mins of gas in our tanks after that we can crash quite badly the training to overcome this is quite hard and in a race even harder. Make sure you run for its joy, of health and vitality and when you get the lows about it it just means your bodily resources need a bit of a break. Keep your marathons for that special occasion or experiencing a new place and have it as something extraordinary , that way when you do one of them it will always be a special experience. After 20 miles its a whole different experience and should be kept for a very special day, just my two cents , thanks for your training insights they are really great to listen to.
Very good point buddy, thanks for sharing. It’s definitely important to do what you love and right now I’m focused on finishing this block and absolutely locking into something fun after this for a good few months at least!
I fully understand where you are coming from mate. I have had similar conversations with myself. I'm now 63 and marathon and ultra training takes too much out of me and I struggle with training motivation. I have now decided to stick with 5k and 10k races and building speed. I don't want to stop loving running which I'm afraid could happen if I despise the longer distances.
Thats the danger isnt it... I know nothing drastic will happen in one block but I am aware that if I pursue something for the sake of it and not for the love of it, I will burn out... i'll wrap this one up and take stock of everything
@TheFODRunner Wise move Andy. I'm comfortable with my decision and will never regret running the distances I have done to date they have got me to where I am now. However, it's time for change and I'm looking forward to what's to come
A superb unpicking of the mindset of a competitive runner. Looking back I wish I'd spent more time on bettering my 5k and 10k times than flogging myself at marathons, which were not my strong suit. Conversely to you I'm enjoying the training block, as it's having me stretch myself more than previously, and improving my fitness. However.... I know even if (and it's a big IF given recent experience) Abingdon were to go well I'm looking in the 3:15 to 3:20 range at best. That doesn't light my fire. Added to that the missed training and racing opportunities during the taper and recovery and I think I know where this might be heading.
Thanks 🙏 really glad to hear you’re enjoying the block so far… that’s the key to success right? Having a good block breeds optimism inside is 👌 Hope the rest of it goes well so you can achieve that time at Abingdon… but I hear what you’re saying about the missed opportunities
I like the idea of speed work leading to timetabled half marathons and slowly building up to marathon training block. Your prognosticating about your marathon training mojo has provided a moment of clarity for my training approach. Cheers Mr Raynor. 😅
I was having all theses mental to and fros with myself over Chester a few weeks ago and was getting really overwhelmed just thinking about it. But now I’m fine and looking forward to it (well the first 16miles at least 😂) But by doing so it’s enabled me to understand where I’m at in my running and what motivates me as a runner going forwards. I’m pleased you aired your thoughts and you can see from all the comments we are an invested FOD community and care about your journey
Thanks, it’s been wonderful to read them all and I appreciate all the support! I’m glad you’ve overcome your wobbles and are now locked in on Chester! 👀
I agree with you Andy. The fitness you will get from this will definitely bring happier times in the coming months. Not all workouts will be what we like the most but the end result will be worth it!
I ve been following your channel for a long time now. Like to watch the content, your doing a great job. I think i ran about 10 marathons between 2.33 and 2.38 in the last 5 years, around my fifties. You have a lot of knowlegde and some good runners and coaches around you. I think in the end it is consistency and having fun doing all that around your life. It seems to me you sometimes are overdoing things a bit, maybe a bit less intensity at times . less is more. You are strong , so in the end you will hit some PBs for sure. Thank you for the vlogs. I ll keep watching
Yeah I can definitely overdo it sometimes... I can put my hands up to that! I will be resetting after this block for sure and refocusing. Thanks so much
Very honest, which is part of the appeal. I’ve been doing a marathon block to build up my base again, and it’s really helped me enjoy running again, get into shape. Not looking for a great time at Chester. Will be happy with a 3:40ish but from that point I want to add speed work and start to race shorter distances more frequently again. I think you’ll benefit from completing the block, but ultimately if you want to focus on shorter racing, I think you’d get marginal benefit than just spending time fully focused on shorter distances. Whatever you choose people will continue to follow the journey. Good luck
Yeah, I agree. Finish the block and get the fitness and see. Also taking a season away, might give you that drive again for the marathon and it’s training
I think committing to the block even if you’re not feeling it will serve you better in the long run. There’s a lot to be said for maintaining focus and discipline when trying to achieve long term goals. Best of luck 👍👍
Great update Andy. This year for me has been hard in terms of motivation. I did the Manchester Marathon earlier this year and I felt like it became a drag and the race didn't go to plan, even though I still managed a 2:54 time. Goal was 2:45. Since then, I generally feel tired a lot of the time, I'm kind of putting this down to getting older (47) and body not adapting as well as in the past. I was also made redundant early this year, so I'm wondering if some of my issues are down to my mental health, I have good and bad days. I'm doing the NY Marathon in November which I'm only doing as it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and I would probably regret if not entered. Training is ok, but I do feel my overall fitness has nosedived, so I'm still unsure about race predictions. Think I'll end up just going out and running a steady pace and soaking up the atmosphere. A sub 3 would be amazing based on my current form. I'm now not thinking about entering any events next year and trying to get back to enjoying running and other fitness activities without having any pressure of training blocks etc.
I think a steady pace in a once in a lifetime race is something you will savour... you'll be able to absorb and enjoy it so much more! Totally hear you buddy, life throws curveballs and we dont know how much they affect us until further down the line... look after yourself
You should do what’s right for you and that’s fine - I gave up ultras cos they left me unable to do speed work with any gusto. Keeping it real Andy and like your style - thank you 😊
I’ve just done exactly what you were saying considering, dropped the autumn marathon in favour of a half. For me it was the fact I’d entered a smaller UK marathon when compared to Valencia last year I could not motivate myself for a smaller race event on a trickier course. For me the marathon rolls over to London where I’ll hopefully in even better shape.
Hi Andy, you’re obviously in fantastic shape, so I’d expect you to do a good marathon by just doing some longer work to get your endurance and feeding going well. Sorry to ask a challenging question, but what is different about marathons as opposed to shorter distances, because it seems as though you start talking yourself out of doing well quite early in your marathon blocks, but you’re unfailingly positive throughout all your other training? I know we’ve had an exchange about this before, so sorry for harping on about it, but… It shouldn’t be surprising that you failed your ‘marathon’ pace session when you were running faster than 5:55s, when your real marathon pace is more like 6:06. All the same, I wish you all the very best, whatever you do this block!
Cheers buddy, appreciate the question and never apologise for asking: I think my history of marathon running makes it really hard for me to be positive and I often talk myself out things, which is something I’ve tried to address this year, and it worked well in the summer. Ultimately though, the marathon is something I can say I’ve not fully mastered, but come close… and so I struggle mentally to stay positive! I appreciate your honesty… keep it coming 🙏
Thanks for sharing your doubts. They are also part of a runners journey I think. I would certainly feel the same way. Running should be fun and enjoyable, but conquering goals you set for yourself overcoming obstacles even if it means struggling is inportant also. Only you know the best for you, outsiders just have to support you whatever your choice. All the best Andy 😊
You don't have to do a marathon every season. The idea of focus on the speed and shorter race goals and skip a marathon cycle next year. The speed work and short distances have been great content.
Yeah I missed on last year and just did a spring one... it worked out quite well... I will probably miss one again next year too so that I can focus more on speed!
Hi Andy, just watched your video. Wonder why you feel you can't do double threshold sessions as part of your marathon block? I would have thought they would fit well?
Great question! Through all the studies I’ve read, they’re great during the build up phase but coaches stop prescribing them during the final specific phase and focus more on workouts geared up to get you ready for your event, sharpening up basically
I would use them, particularly if you enjoy them. I would keep the intensity between LT1 and LT2, rather than around LT2, so generally lactate levels between 2 and 3.5. The sessions are ideal for training your body to use lactate as a fuel source.
@@daveellis1592 I did contemplate it buddy, but now at 6 weeks out and having dropped them for this more specific work, I am kind of committed to this approach. I’m not adverse to trying it more so in the build up next time though!
Come to Australia and run the Gold Coast marathon on the 6th of July. Remember that by increasing the top end speed it will drag all your paces higher, it’s only another 6 weeks you might surprise yourself despite the slog.
When I'm not feeling my back to back runs from my marathon training plan, it can start to feel like a slog. Some of this, I believe, is just prolonged physical fatigue from pushing oneself hard. Best of luck finishing your training block.
THX for sharing. Me, got stupid worries. After a strange all-time low spring fitness, I feel like I could best my M record at Finlandia Marathon 14.9. But I have problems 1) Not to run but a little for 10 more days (2 weeks mostly rest after a hard, progressive block), and 2) I anguish if I can beat my record. And if the weather gonna be OK that day. Like I´m playing a real athlete, who has to stress for these things. Lol. I quess this builds character. Can´t wait for future races, where I run for fun, and no PB´s. Yes and we all are addicted to running. So I think it is healthy and gives perspective to experience motivation crisis. Because there are other things in life. Tough, personally, I prefer thinking about shoes and running all I can. An adult passifier.
I think its gona be great for u 👍🏻 now u have got more those overspeed training mixet with high weekly milage before u go for ur marathon training. But in ur marathon training block I want u do 2 specifict longrun workout , 35km where u run 5×5km in ur marathon pace and 38km where u run 3×10km in ur marathon pace! Its gona get u some great boost! Its good if u can run that in some group or someone can pace u with a bike and give u drinks and gels ! Good luck Andy🙏🏃♂️ be calm and enjoy ur training!
Thanks buddy, really appreciate it! I did a solo workout last night doing 4 x 3 miles (3 mins) so pretty much 4 x 5k, it went amazingly well and the 3 x 10k is in the plan for later... I appreciate your input, I have the screenshots of your weekly structure that you told me about earlier this year, I keep them to look at!
@@TheFODRunner awesome 👍🏻 you are on the right track. this has given you an extra boost, now that you have started running specific marathon training, how many long runs do you manage to fit into your block before your marathon? now that you haven't run many hard long runs before, be a little patient, I think you run a specific long run every third week, reduce the mileage during that week where, for example, Tuesday you run some short intervals, Wednesday and Thursday easy distance, Friday 30min jog , Saturday specific hard long run. it will give you a damn boost before your marathon! you will race at a completely different level!
I'm on my 4th marathon training block in 2 years. I'm absolutely drained, really struggling myself. 🙁 I'm going for a sub-3 in October, I'm sure in the next few weeks I'll get my mojo back, hopefully. 💪
In my opinion one of the important signs of life is change. Some changes are big some are small, but without any changes we are not alive. That does not mean, something good has turned bad or something we loved is in any way disgusting now, it is more like the waves of the ocean, the clouds in the sky or the change of the seasons. If we do something in a very similar way over and over and over, at some time we need to step back give it some room, change up this or that and in the greater sceem of things go on weaving those little changes into our life and keep the fire burning. Years ago i told you that the 5k is my favorite distance, and you told me you hated that distance and you loved the 10k which i hated. It is ok and it is also ok to change some things in our running just for the fun of a little change. Oh by the way, in my opinion 10k or 5k training goes very well with marathon training. I ran a 10k time trial 4 or 5 weeks before the marathon to get an idea of my suitable starting pace......one day at a time, one run at a time and on race day the puzzle will fit nicely........ according to the data, your race on the weekend sets you up for a marathon time between 2:36:30 and 2:38:30 depending on the conditions of the raceday and the quality of the final training weeks
Thanks Thomas, yes I definitely feel like my mind has shifted slightly... this one just isn't exciting me... I think a good reset after this block and some short fast racing needs to be on the cards again!
Seville marathon has sold out already unfortunately 😭 I've got myself on the waiting list so hopefully there will be more places available through that 🤞🏻
@@TheFODRunner I missed out on a place by one day. Fingers crossed we can both get a place, think we're at a similar level so would be great to run a few miles with you. Best of luck for Abingdon
It’s good to lay down a good block before doing a 12 week block. I wouldn’t recommend a 12 week block if you’re kickstarting running again or coming off the back of a low mileage period. I’d only do 12 if you’re springboarding from one block to the next. Otherwise, 16 is probably more ideal
@@jochippyy sure… you’d just break it up into sections so that it’s not one long continuous marathon block, but each section focuses on a specific area of training ie speed / endurance / strength etc
The marathon training is all consuming! When you have a family and work and commitment..it is so difficult to stay motivated. I have just been ticking over since edinburgh marathon. Got a 5k race and I'm so not ready 😂 but that's fine. Do what makes your tail wag bud..👌
Yeah it definitely is... the shorter distance stuff excites me but the reality is the races I want start in and around november through feb so I might as well stick this one out
I think it sounds like you are having doubts about going straight into the marathon training block, when previously you built through a half marathon first. But you have to go with what your gut is telling you, and if you think committing to the marathon build is the right thing, then that is the right thing for you. Good luck with it, hope things improve as you go through the training. 👍
I think we all go through a down patch during a block, but there is nothing that will either give you the affirmation or the kick up butt needed than a 10k/HM race midway in.
The main problem in Marathon training is personal life ( wife ) the upsets that some workouts give in late dinner, wake soon , etc. Try to upset less. 😅 Congrats
I have always found marathon and marathon training rather "boring". Decided many years ago that I should consentrate on the things I like the best, and that is racing everything from 5K/Parkrun to street races at 10 k and thereabout. I find that I then can enjoy my training much more and keep motivated for as long as possible in doing the most meaningful I know of; running. The increased risk of injuries is off course also a factor to consider. Personally I have never found much pleasure in long runs longer than 20 k anyway. At the age of 64 it is not anymore a chase for PB's, but I compete with the likes of my self, and that is just as motivating🙂
It's interesting, i tend to feel really good within the block, locked in and motivated by the reward no matter what. However, once the goal race is done, i end up having no motivation at all and feeling beat up even with low mileage 😅
Haha I can understand that as well! To combat that, I tend to have a plan in place to switch into a different training cycle so it keeps it fresh for me in my mind!
Motivation is just plain weird 😅. I get this, too many times I've had motivation just vanish over the years, even when a week before I had great ideas for the next few months. Sometimes you have to find the why, particularly if you had a negative experience recently. Of course it's always easier to just not do it 😂, that's the problem. Heard a nice mind trick from Novak Djokovic. When the negative thoughts hit, take a moment, acknowledge it for what it is, that it's natural part of the game, then move on. Don't dwell on it don't try and 'fix it'.
Sadly I do not have direct advice so I apologies .. I really run purley for fitness and to be in the best shape I can realisticly maintain through the years anything else are just perks .. Fantastic perks (the social aspect , the places I can visit .. and the races I have and will participate in) but if they went tomorrow .. I would still be getting my posterier out the door and putting the miles in , still be doing the isometric strength exersizes and all the better for it.
My take for what it’s worth is that if you’re not enjoying marathon training at all, then stop. But if it’s just a flat feeling then you should carry on and decide closer to the race. A sub 2:40 needs a mentally committed race. I think London has left its scars on you. I hope Abingdon will prove to be the healing balm.
Should you try next time run "speed block" as long as you feel like and see progression? And not prehand say that this is x week long and then something else next? As you can run 5k and 10k runsaasti quite as often as you like, so training towards those can take as long as you like :)
no one is forcing you to do maratons. if you like doing 5ks more then just forget about maratons and stick to the shorter distances. If you find double threshold training th most enjoyable just stick to that and do maybe at the longest half maraton races. We run for our own mental well being and if you find your heads in a better place just dont care what anybody else thinks and stick to what you enjoy the most.
Very true, thanks.... I will be going back to it once this one is done. I plan not to set boundaries on the next block either, I will get some loose plans in place, get some races booked up and sort my February big race as well and lock in... I feel like I owe it to myself to complete this one, but I will make that decision after the next couple of marathon workouts
Marathons, marathons, marathons. Why are runners obsessed with MARATHONS. The thought of running two or three marathons a year would give me mental health problems. Running is about enjoyment not proving to yourself you can run under 2:40 for 26.2 miles. Have you considered competing in the seven superhalfs over the next couple of years? You could continue your double threshold sessions and speed sessions, and the long run only needs to be 90 minutes. Much more enjoyable, less stress, and you can take your lovely family for a short break, so they are involved too. I wish I could, but being registered blind I need someone to commit to do them with me. Otherwise, I would be signed up. There is also a special medal for competing all seven. Life's too short. Enjoy it with your family, at 69 life pass too quickly to stress over a marathon, again and again. Oh, and winter is coming, so those little germs will be back. Good luck.
Thanks Roger… I do see this side of things and I’ve felt a little bit like I need a break from them. We are planning a family holiday already next year, most likely around a shorter distance race, so you’ll be pleased to hear that. And yes, once this block is done, I’ll be commuting more to long term speed until I feel ready to tackle the distance again. I do have that fire for marathon training usually, but not this time… I’m hoping Cheltenham has kickstarted things! And yes, I’ve been looking more closely at the super half’s 👊
well if you lacking motivation it means your body lacking something , maybe some minerals maybe some vitamins or maybe some hormones / testosteron , vit D3 , ... / do bloodwork and maybe it reveal something significant ....
@@simonstebbings5070 a lack of motivation could just mean you’re not fully focused or enjoying the process? Even though the runner is healthy and running well? It could just be the focus is not there. I agree with the comment above about checking blood work, it’s always a smart move 👍
I guess that "fitness" is a bit of a cognitive bias depending on what you're doing and what your goals are, peak Eliud Kipchoge or peak Usain Bolt, I wouldn't like to say which one is fitter, marathon training will make you fitter for the marathon, at the cost of being less fit for 5k's, and vice versa, but I'd say your fitness is measured on a comparability to the distance. If we're being honest with ourselves if we want to set our best PB's we need to focus on one distance and train for it all the time, there will be off days where we don't click but then get back to it, but that's maybe a bit tedious and the hobby jogger lifestyle where we train for everything and anything means there's far more likely to be off weeks, off months even, while you transition from one form of training to another and we diminish speed gains for endurance, or endurance gains for speed.
Yes very good point... totally get what you are saying. I think a reset is needed after this and then time to spend some longer blocks working on those shorter distances
Andy with your milage increasing without many of the main back bone long runs and your clearly not 100% committed to the Marathon this block pull the plug and find yourself a fast autumn half and the try and get into Seville next February .Simple as . Ian
Thanks for the feedback Ian, I am currently looking at a few February options, Seville being one of them! I have a chunky marathon session this week so I will see how that goes
I get it and thanks for sharing. Running is supposed to be fun, that's the key part, and if you're not enjoying it as you should you're not beholden to any one mate. If you're enjoying the shorter workouts and they're making you happy, maybe think about using shorter distance events as a target to allow for more of them? Life's too short to force us to do stuff in our free time we don't want to do. Personally, I've steered clear of a full marathon as a target as I don't think I'll enjoy 4 hour long sessions, but I love doing stuff up to 2 hours. Cut your cloth to what you're enjoying, basically. God, I can ramble.
Yeah I have a few shorter distance targets in mind for next year, some races I can target and ultimately, you can race more with the shorter distance stuff, which is ultimately what I love!
100%. We are hobby runners not professionals. If it takes over your life, you’ve gone way too far and taken it far too seriously.. I’ve regretted entering halves this year and not really enjoyed it. When you get old like me, your PBs (which are totally meaningless anyway as it’s never enough, is it?) are long in the past. Just parkruns and 10ks for me next year…..and maybe one half 🤣🤣🤣. Oh and **** others and social medjah
@@TheFODRunner think I've mentioned this before but: my wife is mostly ok with us using a few days of holiday for a city break where I do the half and then we've a few days exploring after. The training isn't all encompassing and the post event carb loading is much more fun!
@@mikedavies7492 I too am old and am going to use target times in half marathons to keep me focused, for now. Thinking about doing more trails soon though, to break things up
This is why I relate to your content... You show the reality of a running journey, warts and all. If we're honest, at times, we all suffer from feeling flat and doubt our path. For me, I'd say stick with the marathon prog. as you're so far in but maybe just reassess your goal for that race...don't put pressure on yourself to hit a really fast time (as I think you were)...maybe see it just as a stepping stone to set up your next training block with great fitness. Longer term, perhaps re-evaluate what really gets you going as a runner...is it the faster, shorter stuff ? Are 10 ks and half marathons more enjoyable? Is it those marathons abroad? Are you just doing certain distances because you feel you should for the channel? Does the reality of your life outside running make marathon training desirable at the moment ? Are you putting too much pressure on yourself for results because of your following? Whatever you decide, in the scheme of things, it is only for a short time...better you enjoy what you are doing and are still doing it into later life than end up seeing it as a constant, uphill treadmill! Replay that Cheltenham win in your mind whenever you're low!
Thanks buddy, appreciate it. Great suggestions. Opportunities have been there this year to run bigger and better races but after London I chose to stick to a low key event and that ultimately makes me feel good... although I will go back to a future bigger race at some stage. For sure, i'm trying to find and enter races that work well for me and the family rather than the channel. I do however find that I am preferring to travel a bit for some faster races, that lights a good fire in the gut!! Thanks so much
Thanks Andy for your honesty. Normalising the highs and lows of training is so important. When I started to feel overwhelmed by the training, I just get back to basics. Take it one run at a time and give each run your best. You can’t ask any more of yourself than that. ❤
Great suggestion buddy and smart process to rebuild that love again 😀
Totally get it and can relate. Mid way through a block is a funny place but you’re on an amazing track.
Thanks. This midway point can really mess with your mind!
Great video Andy. Stick with it and take the benefits and lessons learned into the next block to continue building onwards and upwards in your running journey👍🏻💪
Thanks buddy 👊
I have noticed with very many running UA-camrs that the underlying theme is all about marathons and then often trying to run as many as possible with the performance aims often secondary to just getting round as it were and maybe the highlight is the more the shakeout run the day before than doing yourself justice in the race itself. That all said I have definitely noticed for myself that training for a marathon has been, in recent years, a more effective way of training for 5K/10K than so called specific training. I think that is in part of being older than I was not and so the longer, slightly less intense training, is maybe less risky. Case in point me being injured last few months. I think in marathon training any race is a good aim for similar reasons. I also think by and large elite athletes don't keep changing their target event every few months - they might use "off season" to do more "traditional" base building or some lower key races but all in support of their primary aims when their biggest race comes around. I've done Seville Marathon twice now and it is possibly the flattest course you will find, has great support, good weather (if warmer than you might find at home in February!) and a big field but not so big can't move as it were. For sure I would get more motivated for that than Abingdon which sure is a good race but not quite the same vibe. That all said suggest keep at it and if you just don't think racing the race will be of longer term benefit then you don't have to. I've entered quite a few marathons which tried to make the line for but never did - largely due to injury.
Well said Tim. I totally agree. See my comment.
It’s money isn’t it, let’s be honest… the marathon majors have a big appeal and a big audience, helps channel growth etc… maybe I should do more 😂 but I’ve never been sold on the whole majors thing, there’s a few of them I’m keen on but not all of them.
I agree on the fact that it definitely helps the shorter distance times, which is why I was negotiating with myself to stick it out, as I know the benefits I’ll get.
But I think I’ll break after this one…
@@TheFODRunner I think if chasing views and money is the principle reason you do UA-cam then yeah for sure. What I like about your channel, and indeed most resonate with personally, that you document your training as a serious if non elite runner first and foremost. If you try some shoes in my size along the way so much the better. So yeah I say do what you think you like best and that may not necessarily be marathons. It never was for me.
@@TimGrose cheers buddy, appreciate it 👊 you know the respect goes straight back to you as well 👍
@TimGrose hear hear.
Really appreciate your honesty. Best of luck with your training and I hope that some of the wobbles you’re experiencing will make the end success all the sweeter.
Thanks buddy 👊
Love your honesty Andy, thank you for the quality videos you do.
Thank you Ian
Andy, content such as this is why, in my eyes, you’re the best runner channel on UA-cam. The honesty and relatability of a busy many trying to juggle work, family life amongst other commitments, unlike many “full time UA-camrs” who get paid to sell snakeoil etc.
I missed 3 weeks recently in my marathon build up and was ready to pull out but my wife convinced me to do it as she knew if the race day came and I wasn’t there I’d be disappointed. (She was, as always right). I personally find marathon training, with two tinies at home, far too challenging and this will likely be my last for a while. 5ks and 10k fitness and PBs I find are achievable and manageable without the “I have to do 5-6days” a week mantra. Your point of “I have to” is also very relatable, often runners, myself included, say “I have to do X”this week…no you don’t, you have to be happy and enjoying your running and that’s more important than any weekly mileage number. Thanks very much for this video, so many people can relate to this topic, as many commenters have said, it’s a hobby it’s all about enjoyment, you don’t owe anything to anyone.
Thank you buddy. That’s very kind 👊
The wives are always right mate, whether we like to think it or not! They keep us grounded 🫡 it’s tricky isn’t it, this marathon training malarky… there’s an invisible pressure to hit certain targets that, at the end of the day really don’t matter as much as we make them out too in our heads!
Onwards my friends… shorter distances are on their way 👊
Thank you for sharing your journey with us, with all its ups and downs. Appreciate your honesty and openness. I believe that things happen for a reason and whatever happens will happen for the best. All the best on your training. Hopefully see you in Abingdon! But if not, all the best with your training.
Thanks buddy, appreciate it 🙏
Absolutely can relate. I got into my 3rd Marathon block this summer and the motivation just hasn't come back. Heat and tiredness play a big role, but the amount of time on feet, the uncertain outcome in terms of fitness as well as a little frustration from not hitting any of my targets this year creep up on me.
I'll keep it going anyways, but will reduce volume over winter and then do a proper half marathon block starting with january. Half marathons are just a lot of fun!
Yeah half marathons are alot of fun, I’ll be doing similar post marathon block! Good luck with finishing this block off 👊
Great Video Andy, thank you for your honesty and humility about running and racing. I agree with many on here there is nothing that says you Must do a Marathon every season. I think about that the human body was definitely meant to run, our past hunting game, from predators, battles with enemies etc, but the max would have been over several miles and at varying speeds.However, the Marathon is strange bloody event, an almost mythical distance from history, the Olympics and the great feats of the past and present. But our bodies only hold about 1 hour and 45 mins of gas in our tanks after that we can crash quite badly the training to overcome this is quite hard and in a race even harder. Make sure you run for its joy, of health and vitality and when you get the lows about it it just means your bodily resources need a bit of a break. Keep your marathons for that special occasion or experiencing a new place and have it as something extraordinary , that way when you do one of them it will always be a special experience. After 20 miles its a whole different experience and should be kept for a very special day, just my two cents , thanks for your training insights they are really great to listen to.
Very good point buddy, thanks for sharing. It’s definitely important to do what you love and right now I’m focused on finishing this block and absolutely locking into something fun after this for a good few months at least!
Needed to hear this as been struggling with injury and illness recently and got a few 10k races coming up before my marathon next year. Thanks Andy 👍
Good luck with the recovery buddy, I hope it goes well!
@@TheFODRunner Thanks buddy 👍
I fully understand where you are coming from mate. I have had similar conversations with myself. I'm now 63 and marathon and ultra training takes too much out of me and I struggle with training motivation. I have now decided to stick with 5k and 10k races and building speed. I don't want to stop loving running which I'm afraid could happen if I despise the longer distances.
Thats the danger isnt it... I know nothing drastic will happen in one block but I am aware that if I pursue something for the sake of it and not for the love of it, I will burn out... i'll wrap this one up and take stock of everything
@TheFODRunner Wise move Andy. I'm comfortable with my decision and will never regret running the distances I have done to date they have got me to where I am now. However, it's time for change and I'm looking forward to what's to come
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A superb unpicking of the mindset of a competitive runner. Looking back I wish I'd spent more time on bettering my 5k and 10k times than flogging myself at marathons, which were not my strong suit.
Conversely to you I'm enjoying the training block, as it's having me stretch myself more than previously, and improving my fitness.
However.... I know even if (and it's a big IF given recent experience) Abingdon were to go well I'm looking in the 3:15 to 3:20 range at best. That doesn't light my fire. Added to that the missed training and racing opportunities during the taper and recovery and I think I know where this might be heading.
Thanks 🙏 really glad to hear you’re enjoying the block so far… that’s the key to success right? Having a good block breeds optimism inside is 👌
Hope the rest of it goes well so you can achieve that time at Abingdon… but I hear what you’re saying about the missed opportunities
I like the idea of speed work leading to timetabled half marathons and slowly building up to marathon training block. Your prognosticating about your marathon training mojo has provided a moment of clarity for my training approach. Cheers Mr Raynor. 😅
Thanks buddy!
I was having all theses mental to and fros with myself over Chester a few weeks ago and was getting really overwhelmed just thinking about it. But now I’m fine and looking forward to it (well the first 16miles at least 😂) But by doing so it’s enabled me to understand where I’m at in my running and what motivates me as a runner going forwards.
I’m pleased you aired your thoughts and you can see from all the comments we are an invested FOD community and care about your journey
Thanks, it’s been wonderful to read them all and I appreciate all the support! I’m glad you’ve overcome your wobbles and are now locked in on Chester! 👀
I agree with you Andy. The fitness you will get from this will definitely bring happier times in the coming months. Not all workouts will be what we like the most but the end result will be worth it!
Thanks
The 10km, half-marathon then marathon (London) progression that you did this time last year looked like a comfortable progression.
It was, ideal really!
I ve been following your channel for a long time now. Like to watch the content, your doing a great job. I think i ran about 10 marathons between 2.33 and 2.38 in the last 5 years, around my fifties. You have a lot of knowlegde and some good runners and coaches around you. I think in the end it is consistency and having fun doing all that around your life. It seems to me you sometimes are overdoing things a bit, maybe a bit less intensity at times . less is more. You are strong , so in the end you will hit some PBs for sure. Thank you for the vlogs. I ll keep watching
Yeah I can definitely overdo it sometimes... I can put my hands up to that! I will be resetting after this block for sure and refocusing. Thanks so much
@@TheFODRunner you r welcome mate. Thank you
Very honest, which is part of the appeal. I’ve been doing a marathon block to build up my base again, and it’s really helped me enjoy running again, get into shape. Not looking for a great time at Chester. Will be happy with a 3:40ish but from that point I want to add speed work and start to race shorter distances more frequently again. I think you’ll benefit from completing the block, but ultimately if you want to focus on shorter racing, I think you’d get marginal benefit than just spending time fully focused on shorter distances. Whatever you choose people will continue to follow the journey. Good luck
Cheers buddy. I hope you have a great race at chester as well, good to hear you are building back well and enjoying it!
Yeah, I agree. Finish the block and get the fitness and see.
Also taking a season away, might give you that drive again for the marathon and it’s training
Thanks buddy, it might do for sure
I think committing to the block even if you’re not feeling it will serve you better in the long run. There’s a lot to be said for maintaining focus and discipline when trying to achieve long term goals. Best of luck 👍👍
Great update Andy. This year for me has been hard in terms of motivation. I did the Manchester Marathon earlier this year and I felt like it became a drag and the race didn't go to plan, even though I still managed a 2:54 time. Goal was 2:45. Since then, I generally feel tired a lot of the time, I'm kind of putting this down to getting older (47) and body not adapting as well as in the past. I was also made redundant early this year, so I'm wondering if some of my issues are down to my mental health, I have good and bad days.
I'm doing the NY Marathon in November which I'm only doing as it's a once in a lifetime opportunity and I would probably regret if not entered. Training is ok, but I do feel my overall fitness has nosedived, so I'm still unsure about race predictions. Think I'll end up just going out and running a steady pace and soaking up the atmosphere. A sub 3 would be amazing based on my current form. I'm now not thinking about entering any events next year and trying to get back to enjoying running and other fitness activities without having any pressure of training blocks etc.
I think a steady pace in a once in a lifetime race is something you will savour... you'll be able to absorb and enjoy it so much more! Totally hear you buddy, life throws curveballs and we dont know how much they affect us until further down the line... look after yourself
@@TheFODRunner Cheers Andy! Good luck for your upcoming events. 💪
You should do what’s right for you and that’s fine - I gave up ultras cos they left me unable to do speed work with any gusto. Keeping it real Andy and like your style - thank you 😊
Thanks, I will indeed 👊
I’ve just done exactly what you were saying considering, dropped the autumn marathon in favour of a half.
For me it was the fact I’d entered a smaller UK marathon when compared to Valencia last year I could not motivate myself for a smaller race event on a trickier course.
For me the marathon rolls over to London where I’ll hopefully in even better shape.
Sounds like you made the right call... London will be a great focus to build towards!
Very honest update. Just try to make the rest of the block fun and no pressure. You’re clearly on form.
Will do
Hi Andy, you’re obviously in fantastic shape, so I’d expect you to do a good marathon by just doing some longer work to get your endurance and feeding going well.
Sorry to ask a challenging question, but what is different about marathons as opposed to shorter distances, because it seems as though you start talking yourself out of doing well quite early in your marathon blocks, but you’re unfailingly positive throughout all your other training?
I know we’ve had an exchange about this before, so sorry for harping on about it, but… It shouldn’t be surprising that you failed your ‘marathon’ pace session when you were running faster than 5:55s, when your real marathon pace is more like 6:06.
All the same, I wish you all the very best, whatever you do this block!
Cheers buddy, appreciate the question and never apologise for asking:
I think my history of marathon running makes it really hard for me to be positive and I often talk myself out things, which is something I’ve tried to address this year, and it worked well in the summer. Ultimately though, the marathon is something I can say I’ve not fully mastered, but come close… and so I struggle mentally to stay positive!
I appreciate your honesty… keep it coming 🙏
Thanks for sharing your doubts. They are also part of a runners journey I think. I would certainly feel the same way. Running should be fun and enjoyable, but conquering goals you set for yourself overcoming obstacles even if it means struggling is inportant also. Only you know the best for you, outsiders just have to support you whatever your choice. All the best Andy 😊
Thank you
You don't have to do a marathon every season. The idea of focus on the speed and shorter race goals and skip a marathon cycle next year. The speed work and short distances have been great content.
Yeah I missed on last year and just did a spring one... it worked out quite well... I will probably miss one again next year too so that I can focus more on speed!
Hi Andy, just watched your video. Wonder why you feel you can't do double threshold sessions as part of your marathon block? I would have thought they would fit well?
Great question! Through all the studies I’ve read, they’re great during the build up phase but coaches stop prescribing them during the final specific phase and focus more on workouts geared up to get you ready for your event, sharpening up basically
I would use them, particularly if you enjoy them. I would keep the intensity between LT1 and LT2, rather than around LT2, so generally lactate levels between 2 and 3.5. The sessions are ideal for training your body to use lactate as a fuel source.
The marathon is often the only event where you get ready for race pace by slowing down your speed work!
@@daveellis1592 I did contemplate it buddy, but now at 6 weeks out and having dropped them for this more specific work, I am kind of committed to this approach. I’m not adverse to trying it more so in the build up next time though!
Come to Australia and run the Gold Coast marathon on the 6th of July. Remember that by increasing the top end speed it will drag all your paces higher, it’s only another 6 weeks you might surprise yourself despite the slog.
I'd love to get over to Aus one day, its a big dream of mine!
When I'm not feeling my back to back runs from my marathon training plan, it can start to feel like a slog. Some of this, I believe, is just prolonged physical fatigue from pushing oneself hard. Best of luck finishing your training block.
Yeah there will be some of that in there as well... I will wrap this one up and reset
@@TheFODRunner Thank you for the inspirational running videos 👏
THX for sharing. Me, got stupid worries. After a strange all-time low spring fitness, I feel like I could best my M record at Finlandia Marathon 14.9. But I have problems 1) Not to run but a little for 10 more days (2 weeks mostly rest after a hard, progressive block), and 2) I anguish if I can beat my record. And if the weather gonna be OK that day. Like I´m playing a real athlete, who has to stress for these things. Lol. I quess this builds character. Can´t wait for future races, where I run for fun, and no PB´s.
Yes and we all are addicted to running. So I think it is healthy and gives perspective to experience motivation crisis. Because there are other things in life. Tough, personally, I prefer thinking about shoes and running all I can. An adult passifier.
Haha, I definitely question if it builds character as well! There is a time for seriousness and a time for fun for sure
I think its gona be great for u 👍🏻 now u have got more those overspeed training mixet with high weekly milage before u go for ur marathon training. But in ur marathon training block I want u do 2 specifict longrun workout , 35km where u run 5×5km in ur marathon pace and 38km where u run 3×10km in ur marathon pace! Its gona get u some great boost! Its good if u can run that in some group or someone can pace u with a bike and give u drinks and gels ! Good luck Andy🙏🏃♂️ be calm and enjoy ur training!
Thanks buddy, really appreciate it! I did a solo workout last night doing 4 x 3 miles (3 mins) so pretty much 4 x 5k, it went amazingly well and the 3 x 10k is in the plan for later... I appreciate your input, I have the screenshots of your weekly structure that you told me about earlier this year, I keep them to look at!
@@TheFODRunner awesome 👍🏻 you are on the right track. this has given you an extra boost, now that you have started running specific marathon training, how many long runs do you manage to fit into your block before your marathon? now that you haven't run many hard long runs before, be a little patient, I think you run a specific long run every third week, reduce the mileage during that week where, for example, Tuesday you run some short intervals, Wednesday and Thursday easy distance, Friday 30min jog , Saturday specific hard long run. it will give you a damn boost before your marathon! you will race at a completely different level!
@@Team.L thanks for the advice 👊
I'm on my 4th marathon training block in 2 years. I'm absolutely drained, really struggling myself. 🙁 I'm going for a sub-3 in October, I'm sure in the next few weeks I'll get my mojo back, hopefully. 💪
Fingers crossed you will, hope you smash it as well and get that sub 3 👍
@@TheFODRunner thanks mate 👍
In my opinion one of the important signs of life is change. Some changes are big some are small, but without any changes we are not alive. That does not mean, something good has turned bad or something we loved is in any way disgusting now, it is more like the waves of the ocean, the clouds in the sky or the change of the seasons.
If we do something in a very similar way over and over and over, at some time we need to step back give it some room, change up this or that and in the greater sceem of things go on weaving those little changes into our life and keep the fire burning.
Years ago i told you that the 5k is my favorite distance, and you told me you hated that distance and you loved the 10k which i hated. It is ok and it is also ok to change some things in our running just for the fun of a little change.
Oh by the way, in my opinion 10k or 5k training goes very well with marathon training. I ran a 10k time trial 4 or 5 weeks before the marathon to get an idea of my suitable starting pace......one day at a time, one run at a time and on race day the puzzle will fit nicely........
according to the data, your race on the weekend sets you up for a marathon time between 2:36:30 and 2:38:30 depending on the conditions of the raceday and the quality of the final training weeks
Thanks Thomas, yes I definitely feel like my mind has shifted slightly... this one just isn't exciting me... I think a good reset after this block and some short fast racing needs to be on the cards again!
Seville marathon has sold out already unfortunately 😭 I've got myself on the waiting list so hopefully there will be more places available through that 🤞🏻
Yeah I did see, I also put myself on the list and then if its one I decide to do, and I get offered a place, I can take it... if not I can pass it on!
@@TheFODRunner I missed out on a place by one day. Fingers crossed we can both get a place, think we're at a similar level so would be great to run a few miles with you. Best of luck for Abingdon
Hi is 12 weeks the ideal marathon training block if you are in decent shape or is longer better?
It’s good to lay down a good block before doing a 12 week block. I wouldn’t recommend a 12 week block if you’re kickstarting running again or coming off the back of a low mileage period. I’d only do 12 if you’re springboarding from one block to the next. Otherwise, 16 is probably more ideal
@@TheFODRunner thankyou
@TheFODRunner is it possible to do too long a block? Say like a 6 month block????
@@jochippyy sure… you’d just break it up into sections so that it’s not one long continuous marathon block, but each section focuses on a specific area of training ie speed / endurance / strength etc
@@TheFODRunner thanks so much for your advice and good luck with your current training block
The marathon training is all consuming! When you have a family and work and commitment..it is so difficult to stay motivated. I have just been ticking over since edinburgh marathon. Got a 5k race and I'm so not ready 😂 but that's fine. Do what makes your tail wag bud..👌
Yeah it definitely is... the shorter distance stuff excites me but the reality is the races I want start in and around november through feb so I might as well stick this one out
Im on my 8th straight block of marathon training which goes back to Sheperdine
And yes there are days when i question my sanity.
8th! Wow fair play to you haha
I think it sounds like you are having doubts about going straight into the marathon training block, when previously you built through a half marathon first. But you have to go with what your gut is telling you, and if you think committing to the marathon build is the right thing, then that is the right thing for you. Good luck with it, hope things improve as you go through the training. 👍
In the long term it will be yes, and theres only 7ish weeks to go... after that I can refocus!
I think we all go through a down patch during a block, but there is nothing that will either give you the affirmation or the kick up butt needed than a 10k/HM race midway in.
Very true!
The main problem in Marathon training is personal life ( wife ) the upsets that some workouts give in late dinner, wake soon , etc. Try to upset less. 😅 Congrats
Yes very true!
I have always found marathon and marathon training rather "boring". Decided many years ago that I should consentrate on the things I like the best, and that is racing everything from 5K/Parkrun to street races at 10 k and thereabout. I find that I then can enjoy my training much more and keep motivated for as long as possible in doing the most meaningful I know of; running. The increased risk of injuries is off course also a factor to consider. Personally I have never found much pleasure in long runs longer than 20 k anyway. At the age of 64 it is not anymore a chase for PB's, but I compete with the likes of my self, and that is just as motivating🙂
Great feedback! Thanks for sharing. I agree, do what you love
Up and Runnig have Endorphin Elits in stock up to size 11 atm
I hope so! Thanks
It's interesting, i tend to feel really good within the block, locked in and motivated by the reward no matter what. However, once the goal race is done, i end up having no motivation at all and feeling beat up even with low mileage 😅
Haha I can understand that as well! To combat that, I tend to have a plan in place to switch into a different training cycle so it keeps it fresh for me in my mind!
Motivation is just plain weird 😅. I get this, too many times I've had motivation just vanish over the years, even when a week before I had great ideas for the next few months. Sometimes you have to find the why, particularly if you had a negative experience recently. Of course it's always easier to just not do it 😂, that's the problem.
Heard a nice mind trick from Novak Djokovic. When the negative thoughts hit, take a moment, acknowledge it for what it is, that it's natural part of the game, then move on. Don't dwell on it don't try and 'fix it'.
Very good comment from Novak, a bit of reflection can often do the trick!
Sadly I do not have direct advice so I apologies .. I really run purley for fitness and to be in the best shape I can realisticly maintain through the years anything else are just perks .. Fantastic perks (the social aspect , the places I can visit .. and the races I have and will participate in) but if they went tomorrow .. I would still be getting my posterier out the door and putting the miles in , still be doing the isometric strength exersizes and all the better for it.
Thanks buddy, you run for the right reasons!
My take for what it’s worth is that if you’re not enjoying marathon training at all, then stop. But if it’s just a flat feeling then you should carry on and decide closer to the race. A sub 2:40 needs a mentally committed race. I think London has left its scars on you. I hope Abingdon will prove to be the healing balm.
I hope so buddy, I try to put it to the back of my mind but my confidence definitely took a knock. I need to be mentally sharp for Abingdon
Should you try next time run "speed block" as long as you feel like and see progression? And not prehand say that this is x week long and then something else next? As you can run 5k and 10k runsaasti quite as often as you like, so training towards those can take as long as you like :)
Yes, that is absolutely part of the plan... I will create some micro blocks but not set an end date as to when I want it to finish
no one is forcing you to do maratons. if you like doing 5ks more then just forget about maratons and stick to the shorter distances. If you find double threshold training th most enjoyable just stick to that and do maybe at the longest half maraton races. We run for our own mental well being and if you find your heads in a better place just dont care what anybody else thinks and stick to what you enjoy the most.
Very true, thanks.... I will be going back to it once this one is done. I plan not to set boundaries on the next block either, I will get some loose plans in place, get some races booked up and sort my February big race as well and lock in... I feel like I owe it to myself to complete this one, but I will make that decision after the next couple of marathon workouts
Oh i forgot!!!!
To me for 10k & 21k its Vaporfly
42k Alphafly
What does your gut say? Best to go with your gut.
Gut says finish the job, i've got my eye on a few races from november onwards so wrap this block up and then race your heart out!
Marathons, marathons, marathons. Why are runners obsessed with MARATHONS. The thought of running two or three marathons a year would give me mental health problems. Running is about enjoyment not proving to yourself you can run under 2:40 for 26.2 miles. Have you considered competing in the seven superhalfs over the next couple of years? You could continue your double threshold sessions and speed sessions, and the long run only needs to be 90 minutes. Much more enjoyable, less stress, and you can take your lovely family for a short break, so they are involved too.
I wish I could, but being registered blind I need someone to commit to do them with me. Otherwise, I would be signed up. There is also a special medal for competing all seven. Life's too short. Enjoy it with your family, at 69 life pass too quickly to stress over a marathon, again and again. Oh, and winter is coming, so those little germs will be back.
Good luck.
Thanks Roger… I do see this side of things and I’ve felt a little bit like I need a break from them. We are planning a family holiday already next year, most likely around a shorter distance race, so you’ll be pleased to hear that. And yes, once this block is done, I’ll be commuting more to long term speed until I feel ready to tackle the distance again.
I do have that fire for marathon training usually, but not this time… I’m hoping Cheltenham has kickstarted things! And yes, I’ve been looking more closely at the super half’s 👊
well if you lacking motivation it means your body lacking something ,
maybe some minerals maybe some vitamins or maybe some hormones / testosteron , vit D3 , ... /
do bloodwork and maybe it reveal something significant ....
Good suggestion
Classic signs of overtraining…
@@simonstebbings5070 a lack of motivation could just mean you’re not fully focused or enjoying the process? Even though the runner is healthy and running well? It could just be the focus is not there.
I agree with the comment above about checking blood work, it’s always a smart move 👍
Hi. I'm 52 years old. You aren't a elite runner, Andy. The obssesions is a bad idea. Like to Andy. Cheers.
Thanks buddy
I guess that "fitness" is a bit of a cognitive bias depending on what you're doing and what your goals are, peak Eliud Kipchoge or peak Usain Bolt, I wouldn't like to say which one is fitter, marathon training will make you fitter for the marathon, at the cost of being less fit for 5k's, and vice versa, but I'd say your fitness is measured on a comparability to the distance.
If we're being honest with ourselves if we want to set our best PB's we need to focus on one distance and train for it all the time, there will be off days where we don't click but then get back to it, but that's maybe a bit tedious and the hobby jogger lifestyle where we train for everything and anything means there's far more likely to be off weeks, off months even, while you transition from one form of training to another and we diminish speed gains for endurance, or endurance gains for speed.
Yes very good point... totally get what you are saying. I think a reset is needed after this and then time to spend some longer blocks working on those shorter distances
Andy with your milage increasing without many of the main back bone long runs and your clearly not 100% committed to the Marathon this block pull the plug and find yourself a fast autumn half and the try and get into Seville next February .Simple as . Ian
Thanks for the feedback Ian, I am currently looking at a few February options, Seville being one of them! I have a chunky marathon session this week so I will see how that goes