Have a Cometa 220. Was going to get a 100, but when John at Keystone Airguns was checking it out, turned out all the 100s he had on hand were inaccurate. So he let me upgrade to a more expensive rifle for free! Definitely a future buyer of more Cometas!
Hey there, Glad to are human and miss once in a while. All your videos that I have watched ( a lot) I can count this misses on one hand, pretty darn good. Take care and have a good holiday weekend everyone.
Well...Yes, I am very human...remember there is a lot of practice that goes into shooting all those rifles before I put them on film. I hope I didn't disappoint you guys too much🤣 Kurt have a fantastic weekend and I need to catch up with you soon!
Tengo la misma carabina pero en calibre 5,5 y tiene una precision a 50 metros impresionante ...me extraña que el 4,5 no lo haga igual supongo que hacía mucho viento y eso haya afectado a la precisión
Ola JC, good video as always. Cometa has a long history and produces good quality springers. Regarding the shorter barrels on springers... I, for one, love short rifles. So I almost always opt for short-barrelled models. My TX200 HC US 1.77, HW 97KT 1.77, HW 98 1.77 2020 all have short barrels of just 31cm. And as JC knows, those targets all go down very easily. For example, I don't notice any difference between my HW97 and the HW77, which has a longer barrel. Comets are good and I like them, but they have their limitations. Have a good weekend my friend. Cheers
Great job John. I agree with you. I think the limited +30 yard accuracy is from the short 9 inch barrel also. With a 3 inches or more longer barrel you would get the 40 and maybe 50 yard accuracy.
I find it very funny your last shot hit the metal target perfectly, but you thought it missed, haha! I wonder, do you think it struggling at that distance has anything to do with the 17cal pellets? Besides the 9 inch barrel, that is.
Maybe...but using the heavier pellets it usually corrects the wind issues for the most part. I believe the shorter barrel is the main issue at the longer distance. Thanks for tuning in and I appreciate your comments!😉
I'm suprised a springer guy such as yourself doesn't already know this but short barrel in a piston gun is typically a great thing. The TX200, arguably the best, has a barrel length of roughly 9.5" under that shroud. There have actually been studies that show anything over 10" (give or take) has no real added benefit outside of cocking leverage. Given the absolute beast that the Hatsan 135 is manages a whopping 32fpe (more with some tweaking) with a 10.5" barrel, those studies seem pretty accurate haha From watching the video it certainly seems like wind was a factor and based on the shadows at LEAST a consistent 5mph. Even with heavier pellets you would be looking at upwards of a 1.5" drift at that range. The proper hold off would have been left edge based on the misses. A center hold was asking for trouble. Anyway, thats just my unasked for 2 cents! Hope it helps! @AirgunDetectives
Regarding 40 yard accuracy, the 20 yard group is .35" which, given the same angle of deviance, would mean about 7/10" error at 40, which is about what you were seeing on the smaller targets.
I like the stock on this one ! Sorry i have not been around much lately but im trying to get a Wheelchair ramp built for my wife so that she can come home from the hospital shes been in thr hospital going on 11 weeks now !
I don't understand the accuracy at 40 yards, I have the same rifle at 12ftlb and in .22 I am doing a lot of testing with the rifle and mine love's rws super domestic, I am getting 25mm groups at 50 yards consistently, my brothers rifle is even better his best is inch and a half at 61 yards. So the barrel should not be a problem. I know Terry doe the famous field target world champion in the early 90s had a hw77 tuned to the limit that had just an 8 inch barrel in .177 they shot out to 60+ yards with I believe about 10ftlbs. So it would be interesting to see another .177 tested, I would also adjust the trigger up and polish the sears it make a massive difference, I also noticed on mine that you really have to seat the pellets perfectly as they are easily shaved if not and it does have an effect on the pellet.
I shot with a lot of Cometa models and believe me that JSB pellets are mutch bether for that barrel. You need one softer pellet leather to extract all that potencial. I suggest JSB Exact 8.44 grains. The trigger is made of very hard aluminum extremely durable and well maded. If you fine tunning him for softer mode you can get 120 grams trigger with all is safety inshored. Have fun my friend. 😉
Nice review , I’ve been a fan of Cometa air rifles for long time. My 1st Nice break barrel was RWS 94 ( made by Cometa). In the beginning it was a love and hate relationship with the gun, would miss sometimes, but after it broke in and I mastered the hold, it was super accurate. As far as it having only a 9” barrel, I don’t believe that’s a deal breaker, my AA Pro Sport has about same length barrel, it doesn’t hurt its accuracy. Most of my springer shooting is 20-30yards so I’d be happy with its accuracy. I’m sure the chipmunks would hate it lol.
They aren't stop holes I think, they go right through as you'll find out with a long enough screw, I don't know why but I have a Fusion that is the same, if you look down them with a light you'll see what I mean, really strange but I love Cometas. You can actually jam things, but if you use a normal larger screw with a taper point it works.
Hi David, actually, they are designed for stop pins that have a massive tapper and don't protrude too far. There is absolutely no reason to have the holes in that area of the chamber unless for a stop pin. But you are correct, anything the protrudes too far into the hole could interfere with the piston movement during the cocking process. Thank you for tuning in and I really appreciate you taking the time to leave comments. Happy Shooting!
Those 400 usc are a beautiful looking gun , i was going to buy one recently but the one i wanted was out of stock then there was a delay with the delivery of the new stock, i ended up getting a weihrauch hw95 N field pro it was considerably more expensive and i had to put a tune kit in it to get rid of the twang
I was shooting the heavy pellets...I have shot many other .177 in the same conditions with issues with accuracy. A 9" barrel is pretty short for a rifle. I hope you had a great 4th Mike!
Nice review, very thorough. I agree about the trigger, they should never have put a plastic trigger on a mid-level springer in the first place but to do a bad job of painting a metal one gold (presumably to look like a Weihrauch Rekord trigger) is just tacky. The extra cost of a metal trigger and trigger-guard instead of plastic is gonna be what, five bucks? Maybe ten. Just do that, it isn't going to put anyone off by being a tiny bit more expensive BUT plastic fittings are the reason I don't have a Cometa. That said their new Fusion with a lovely grey laminate stock (and a metal trigger) is pretty close to the top of my list. Thanks for taking the time, subbed.
Nice review on a nice looking rifle. It's curious that the accuracy degrades after 30 yards. That would seem to indicate that something is causing the pellet to destabilize out there. Since you have good velocity and accuracy closer in, barrle length shouldn't be a factor. But nice otherwise!
Great performance. Your shots at 40yrds go right and low, 2 -3 possible explanations. 1. Too powerfull for a .177 at 15 fpe, personally I'll opt to reduce power to 12 fpe, British know better when comes to .177. 2. Use a better scope and a barrel muzzle break (standard in older production guns) instead of the current muffler. 3. Your aiming, just zero at that distance and be carefull of paralax error due to cheap scope. By the way, I believe this stock is not walnut, still is preety awesome.
I am still leaning towards the short 9" barrel. I did a review on a .22 and .25 Cometa, with longer barrels and had no issues at 40 yards. I think a 15" barrel would solve their distance issues. Thanks for tuning in and I appreciate your comments!
Great vid JC. I was considering buying one of these rifles over an hw 95. However after seeing how accuracy drops off after 30 yds I'm leaning towards the latter. What are your thoughts?
I was thinking about your comments on your 40-yard target shooting with that which makes me wonder do you edit your videos to only show the best shots or is it you show what you shot the first time and it is what it is.
Nice gun but the 9 " barrel length lets it down for any distance shooting. I have a "Chaser" co2 pistol carbine kit. The pistol barrel is 8 1/4" and is a tack driver out to about 15-20 meters, any further and the accuracy falls off. The carbine rifle barrel is 17" and well capable of decent accuracy out to 50 meters. I had a look at the Cometa website and the specs give overall rifle length but not the length of the barrels, are they all the same @ 9"? For the price it's a beaut of a rifle and a springer too, always a plus in my book, no extras required to make it go and easier to repair, replace or upgrade parts. Maybe because of PCPs we expect more from springers these days? Springers used to be tested out to 25yds and we were well happy with the results,( Cometas was excellent) now we're looking at 40+ yards, is that unrealistic to look for in a break barrel? I know there are break barrels that can shoot well out to 40+ yards but they usually cost an arm and a leg. Any ways, good review as always JC...😁👍
You are so correct...99% of all my shooting with breakbarrels is between 20 and 40 yards...Actually, now that I think about it, the majority of my shooting is at 20 yards, because I really like shooting from my bar. Then I am really close for a cold beverage! 🤣🤣
My Cometa was at the shop longer than It was with me, triiger failed, safety failed, on return from repair it shot without a trigger pull. Jammed when cocking. Returned for refund
That was the 3rd Cometa I have ever shot...I did a review on a .22 cal and a .25 cal and they had the edge on this one! Longer barrels too! I also tuned those rifles. So I had no issues with the few I have tested.
@@AirgunDetectives The whole thing is: I made the point that Airguns can be used for home defense in gun controlled areas. The US military says 58 FPE is lethal. The 2a shall not be infringed. Everyone has the right to protect his home and family.
@@AirgunDetectives I forgot to mention in that comment I told you I was ordering the .357 AEA Challenger pro long barrel and asked which bipods you used on your .30
The best cometa made in my opinion great first air rifle without spending too much
Have a Cometa 220. Was going to get a 100, but when John at Keystone Airguns was checking it out, turned out all the 100s he had on hand were inaccurate. So he let me upgrade to a more expensive rifle for free! Definitely a future buyer of more Cometas!
i recently received the model 300 usc premier. what a nice gun!
177 over 40m in the wind.... they are gonna move around. Would love tyo see the Fenix in 22.
You and me both.....I reached out to Cometa with an email, and they didn't even give me the courtesy of a response. Thanks again for tuning in!
Hey there, Glad to are human and miss once in a while. All your videos that I have watched ( a lot) I can count this misses on one hand, pretty darn good. Take care and have a good holiday weekend everyone.
Was pretty windy. You could hear it.
Well...Yes, I am very human...remember there is a lot of practice that goes into shooting all those rifles before I put them on film. I hope I didn't disappoint you guys too much🤣 Kurt have a fantastic weekend and I need to catch up with you soon!
@@AirgunDetectives HAHA, never disappointed in your shooting or otherwise!!
Tengo la misma carabina pero en calibre 5,5 y tiene una precision a 50 metros impresionante ...me extraña que el 4,5 no lo haga igual supongo que hacía mucho viento y eso haya afectado a la precisión
I would like to test the same model in 5.5 Cal (.22 Cal). I was using the heavy 10.65 gr pellets, but I would guess the 5.5 does much better.
@@AirgunDetectivesla mía mete 10 balines a 50 metros en aproximadamente 3 o 4 centímetros con los balines Excite Spike de 1,03 g
I don't need one, but want one! I like the chunky looking stock and compactness of overall gun.
@@scottrobertson9452 Nice Breakbarrel for 30 yards and closer! 😉👍🏻
@@scottrobertson9452 Nice Breakbarrel for 30 yards and closer 👍🏻😉
Ola JC, good video as always. Cometa has a long history and produces good quality springers. Regarding the shorter barrels on springers... I, for one, love short rifles. So I almost always opt for short-barrelled models. My TX200 HC US 1.77, HW 97KT 1.77, HW 98 1.77 2020 all have short barrels of just 31cm. And as JC knows, those targets all go down very easily. For example, I don't notice any difference between my HW97 and the HW77, which has a longer barrel. Comets are good and I like them, but they have their limitations. Have a good weekend my friend. Cheers
What's happening Buddy! It is always nice reading your comments! Have a fantastic weekend...BTW Nitro and Peanut are still doing good!👍
Great job John. I agree with you. I think the limited +30 yard accuracy is from the short 9 inch barrel also. With a 3 inches or more longer barrel you would get the 40 and maybe 50 yard accuracy.
Yes..9" is a bit short! I hope you had a fantastic 4th of July! 👍😉
I find it very funny your last shot hit the metal target perfectly, but you thought it missed, haha! I wonder, do you think it struggling at that distance has anything to do with the 17cal pellets? Besides the 9 inch barrel, that is.
Maybe...but using the heavier pellets it usually corrects the wind issues for the most part. I believe the shorter barrel is the main issue at the longer distance. Thanks for tuning in and I appreciate your comments!😉
I'm suprised a springer guy such as yourself doesn't already know this but short barrel in a piston gun is typically a great thing. The TX200, arguably the best, has a barrel length of roughly 9.5" under that shroud. There have actually been studies that show anything over 10" (give or take) has no real added benefit outside of cocking leverage. Given the absolute beast that the Hatsan 135 is manages a whopping 32fpe (more with some tweaking) with a 10.5" barrel, those studies seem pretty accurate haha
From watching the video it certainly seems like wind was a factor and based on the shadows at LEAST a consistent 5mph. Even with heavier pellets you would be looking at upwards of a 1.5" drift at that range. The proper hold off would have been left edge based on the misses. A center hold was asking for trouble.
Anyway, thats just my unasked for 2 cents! Hope it helps!
@AirgunDetectives
Great looking airgun
Hi Chris...thanks again for your continued support..I hope you had a great 4th!
hey JC I slowed down your 40 yd plinking shots and it looks like they were all pretty consistent but just hitting off to the right about an inch.
Interesting observation! I am bit puzzled on how a group is consistent at 30 yards and then the same group decides to split up at 40.
I was a bit puzzled, and I definitely had a level of frustration. My frustration was more off camera. I actually had the best performance on camera.
Nice groups J c and review! 😎👍
@PeterAgostiniJdcap26 Thanks Peter! Hope you are enjoying the holiday weekend 👍🏻
@@AirgunDetectives yes my wife just finished knitting a baby blanket for a friend
She loved it do next month 🙏🏻
Regarding 40 yard accuracy, the 20 yard group is .35" which, given the same angle of deviance, would mean about 7/10" error at 40, which is about what you were seeing on the smaller targets.
Hi john...I really appreciate you tuning in and thanks for the technical information as well. Happy Shooting!
I really like the Springer and 30 m is fine for me.
I agree...most of my breakbarrel shooting is 20-30 yards!
Great show, as usual!
Hi Matt, thanks for watching and taking the time to leave comments! Happy Shooting!
You bet!
I like the stock on this one ! Sorry i have not been around much lately but im trying to get a Wheelchair ramp built for my wife so that she can come home from the hospital shes been in thr hospital going on 11 weeks now !
Hi Timmy, sorry to hear about the wife...Hopefully things will improve in time. I appreciate your continued support as well as leaving your comments.😉
I don't understand the accuracy at 40 yards, I have the same rifle at 12ftlb and in .22 I am doing a lot of testing with the rifle and mine love's rws super domestic, I am getting 25mm groups at 50 yards consistently, my brothers rifle is even better his best is inch and a half at 61 yards. So the barrel should not be a problem. I know Terry doe the famous field target world champion in the early 90s had a hw77 tuned to the limit that had just an 8 inch barrel in .177 they shot out to 60+ yards with I believe about 10ftlbs. So it would be interesting to see another .177 tested, I would also adjust the trigger up and polish the sears it make a massive difference, I also noticed on mine that you really have to seat the pellets perfectly as they are easily shaved if not and it does have an effect on the pellet.
I shot with a lot of Cometa models and believe me that JSB pellets are mutch bether for that barrel.
You need one softer pellet leather to extract all that potencial.
I suggest JSB Exact 8.44 grains.
The trigger is made of very hard aluminum extremely durable and well maded.
If you fine tunning him for softer mode you can get 120 grams trigger with all is safety inshored.
Have fun my friend.
😉
Nice review , I’ve been a fan of Cometa air rifles for long time. My 1st Nice break barrel was RWS 94 ( made by Cometa). In the beginning it was a love and hate relationship with the gun, would miss sometimes, but after it broke in and I mastered the hold, it was super accurate.
As far as it having only a 9” barrel, I don’t believe that’s a deal breaker, my AA Pro Sport has about same length barrel, it doesn’t hurt its accuracy.
Most of my springer shooting is 20-30yards so I’d be happy with its accuracy. I’m sure the chipmunks would hate it lol.
They aren't stop holes I think, they go right through as you'll find out with a long enough screw, I don't know why but I have a Fusion that is the same, if you look down them with a light you'll see what I mean, really strange but I love Cometas. You can actually jam things, but if you use a normal larger screw with a taper point it works.
Hi David, actually, they are designed for stop pins that have a massive tapper and don't protrude too far. There is absolutely no reason to have the holes in that area of the chamber unless for a stop pin. But you are correct, anything the protrudes too far into the hole could interfere with the piston movement during the cocking process. Thank you for tuning in and I really appreciate you taking the time to leave comments. Happy Shooting!
Those 400 usc are a beautiful looking gun , i was going to buy one recently but the one i wanted was out of stock then there was a delay with the delivery of the new stock, i ended up getting a weihrauch hw95 N field pro it was considerably more expensive and i had to put a tune kit in it to get rid of the twang
I was watching the leaves at the end of the muzzle. Perhaps the wind is more of an issue at the the longer distance with the shape of the pellet ..?
I was shooting the heavy pellets...I have shot many other .177 in the same conditions with issues with accuracy. A 9" barrel is pretty short for a rifle. I hope you had a great 4th Mike!
Nice review, very thorough. I agree about the trigger, they should never have put a plastic trigger on a mid-level springer in the first place but to do a bad job of painting a metal one gold (presumably to look like a Weihrauch Rekord trigger) is just tacky. The extra cost of a metal trigger and trigger-guard instead of plastic is gonna be what, five bucks? Maybe ten. Just do that, it isn't going to put anyone off by being a tiny bit more expensive BUT plastic fittings are the reason I don't have a Cometa. That said their new Fusion with a lovely grey laminate stock (and a metal trigger) is pretty close to the top of my list.
Thanks for taking the time, subbed.
Agreed, but we can’t let him off the hook that easy😉
I would never expect less from you! 😆🤣
Nice review on a nice looking rifle. It's curious that the accuracy degrades after 30 yards. That would seem to indicate that something is causing the pellet to destabilize out there. Since you have good velocity and accuracy closer in, barrle length shouldn't be a factor. But nice otherwise!
Great performance. Your shots at 40yrds go right and low, 2 -3 possible explanations.
1. Too powerfull for a .177 at 15 fpe, personally I'll opt to reduce power to 12 fpe, British know better when comes to .177.
2. Use a better scope and a barrel muzzle break (standard in older production guns) instead of the current muffler.
3. Your aiming, just zero at that distance and be carefull of paralax error due to cheap scope.
By the way, I believe this stock is not walnut, still is preety awesome.
My Diana 34 with the short barrel does the same at more than 30 yards, I think it’s the weight of the mussel break
I am still leaning towards the short 9" barrel. I did a review on a .22 and .25 Cometa, with longer barrels and had no issues at 40 yards. I think a 15" barrel would solve their distance issues. Thanks for tuning in and I appreciate your comments!
Beautiful looking gun.I always thought that Cometa were made in India.
Maybe a longer barrel might be nice
Great vid JC. I was considering buying one of these rifles over an hw 95. However after seeing how accuracy drops off after 30 yds I'm leaning towards the latter. What are your thoughts?
No...the "95" is superior in all aspects!!!
@@AirgunDetectives thanks for the reply!
I was thinking about your comments on your 40-yard target shooting with that which makes me wonder do you edit your videos to only show the best shots or is it you show what you shot the first time and it is what it is.
What you see is what you get! I do plenty of practice off camera, but I never really know what is going on film until I shoot the footage. 😉
Nice gun but the 9 " barrel length lets it down for any distance shooting. I have a "Chaser" co2 pistol carbine kit. The pistol barrel is 8 1/4" and is a tack driver out to about 15-20 meters, any further and the accuracy falls off. The carbine rifle barrel is 17" and well capable of decent accuracy out to 50 meters. I had a look at the Cometa website and the specs give overall rifle length but not the length of the barrels, are they all the same @ 9"? For the price it's a beaut of a rifle and a springer too, always a plus in my book, no extras required to make it go and easier to repair, replace or upgrade parts. Maybe because of PCPs we expect more from springers these days? Springers used to be tested out to 25yds and we were well happy with the results,( Cometas was excellent) now we're looking at 40+ yards, is that unrealistic to look for in a break barrel? I know there are break barrels that can shoot well out to 40+ yards but they usually cost an arm and a leg. Any ways, good review as always JC...😁👍
You are so correct...99% of all my shooting with breakbarrels is between 20 and 40 yards...Actually, now that I think about it, the majority of my shooting is at 20 yards, because I really like shooting from my bar. Then I am really close for a cold beverage! 🤣🤣
@@AirgunDetectives My kind of shooter 😁👍👍👍👍👍
Now I understand why Gamo is is
Leading the market.
Light, accurate, low recoil, reliable 10x mechanism.
Gamo's are great rifles for the $. They seem to have gotten even better when the merged with BSA. Happy Shooting!
Cometa is better quality and build quality them Gamo. Get a full length barrel Fenix 400 and you have springer as good as almost any out there.
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️comparar la calidad de construcción de Cometa con un Gamo es como comparar a Dios con un gitano
Is that spread at 40 yards due to the 9" barrel, I wonder?
Edit: I commented before i finished the video. Lol
All good! Great minds think alike! 😉😉
Where did you buy that rifle
Hi Stephen, I didn't purchase this one. A friend, Don, let me borrow it for the review. Thanks again for tuning in!
Good review.Who is selling them in USA and do they have parts. I have three Cometas . 7:52
My Cometa was at the shop longer than It was with me, triiger failed, safety failed, on return from repair it shot without a trigger pull. Jammed when cocking. Returned for refund
That was the 3rd Cometa I have ever shot...I did a review on a .22 cal and a .25 cal and they had the edge on this one! Longer barrels too! I also tuned those rifles. So I had no issues with the few I have tested.
I guess the 1A is dead here too. I came back to edit my comment because I said Terminator instead of Megaldon and it's gone...
I can't tell you how many times I respond to the message on my feed and my entire comment get erased. UA-cam has no explanation for me?
@@AirgunDetectives The whole thing is: I made the point that Airguns can be used for home defense in gun controlled areas. The US military says 58 FPE is lethal. The 2a shall not be infringed. Everyone has the right to protect his home and family.
@@AirgunDetectives I forgot to mention in that comment I told you I was ordering the .357 AEA Challenger pro long barrel and asked which bipods you used on your .30
Don't make me buy this!
🤣🤣You can hold off on this one!....there are so many other options out there. Save your duckets and put it towards an R9👍👍
I have 3 Cometas, love them all. Very accurate too, I'm an old man, but at 27 yards, that's plenty far enough for testing, and small game.
Pesting.