The Freetown of Christiania - Europe's Greatest Social Experiment - turns 50
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2021
- Excerpt from S02 Copenhagen episode of The Life-Sized City. Mikael interviews Risenga Manghezi about Christiania, the freetown founded by hippies in 1971, which still exists today in the heart of Copenhagen. On September 26, 2021, Christiana turned 50 years old.
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"The sort of development of this area you would have, if it was to be controlled by market Mechanisms would be just to level everything down, build apartments with a great view of the lake water, and it would be super highly priced. But there wouldn't be a fox around anymore."
Sounds pretty cool should be more places around the world like this.
Do that in middle east and the Arabs will riot. The Arabs have too much bottled up rage and libido to be at peace when there is no law
It is just been there
I have been there once to play a gig with an old band, and I loved it. I have always wanted to visit again.
It's a beautiful place with a strong feeling of freedom. It's so sad that there are not more of these places in the world. Would be interesting to compare the rate of depression with other districts in Copenhagen.
I really like Christiania as a case study for different ideas. It's interesting to see how the same community-based NIMBYism that is so pervasive everywhere is also really strong in Christiana, with not a lot of dense housing at all despite being situated in the middle of Denmark's biggest city. Other aspects of the experiment I really love though, like the community volunteering to get public works done. Municipalities could learn from this, there are a lot of people with free time looking to have an impact. Instead of always hiring expensive companies to maintain parks or do shovel work they could tap into this desire to make a difference and get things done cheaper and better by giving people the chance to help. I know a town in Germany that renovated its public pool that way when there weren't enough funds to cover the full project.
Its actually SUPER good for the environment of Copenhagen. It's like the only green patch in the city!
christiania is a good place.🖤❤
Cool! Sounds like my kind of place. Like a commune.
Copenhagen doesn’t have a housing problem. It has areas that are very sought after that are expensive, and I’d argue that that is quite ok. Awful as that area is from a planning perspective, Ørestad is quite affordable and close to the city center. 1/2 an hour from Copenhagen centre you are able to find lots of affordable housing, primarily because those areas are also planning disasters from the 60s (Copenhagen west). As Jan Gehl said, we need to look at the areas surrounding Copenhagen and make those better.
Just because Ørestad isn't as eyewateringly expensive as Central Copenhagen does not make it affordable.
Ørestad and Christiania are two very interesting comparisons though
Can you shed some more light on what are these "planning disasters" in your opinion? Would be really interested in hearing them.
Hi i would love to visit and stay for 2 weeks or so, just need to get away from England, i love the vibes and great people, can someone advice to on cost of renting room, food, general expenses etc and how i can arrange to rent room. fingers crossed i can visit soon♥🤞✌🙏
Christiania is JAMMIN'
omg, that looks amazing. how do i move there?
It requires some doing. You have to sign up for the waiting list, which to some extent is weighted against how much you NEED to be there. So they are more likely to accept applicants who would otherwise be homeless. Then you have to present yourself at a meeting where they vote to let you move in or not.
It's a though nut because to stay "open" they have to be pretty strict on who they let in.
I do, however, recommend moving to Copenhagen and hanging out there a bunch as I used to do.
@@nicholaswoollhead6830 I figured it'd be very tough like that. And as much as I love the spirit of the place, Id rather a homeless person have a home than I live there. Would love to live in copenhagen and visit the area for sure. Its one of our (wife and i) places we'd love to move to in a heartbeat if we could get jobs there
You can't
Why do you guys have to do that to yourself?
Hey if you can pull this off in New Orleans without crime. I’m on bored
The way the guy was explaining it was actually socialism. “If you improve the house, it’s not really yours” lol
The guy made it sound like literally anyone could apply to live there. I wonder if he meant anyone that's a Danish citizen..or literally anyone who can actually get to Denmark.
Obviously you need a residence permit to not get deported, but other than that Christiania is open to all nationalities. Now that migration has become more difficult it's less common, but back in the day Christiania was a place of community for especially South American immigrants fleeing civil wars in the 80's and 90's, Tibetans fleeing occupation, and other non-european diasporas. A lot of people who have their daily comings and goings on Christiania dont even speak Danish.
Source: My mother lived there for a while, and her best friend is Venezuelan who came to there.
No more immigration please. Let those people exist.
As long as they don't build christiana airport you likely need a visa or permit lmao
I would say the biggest problem of Christiania is that they have absolutely no incentive to increase the housing supply despite being in the middle of Denmark's biggest city. Whether it's through high housing prices or a long waiting list, either way you're not getting a roof over your head.
Sounds like this place excludes a lot of people
Damn right💀👀
Was thinking the same thing
Its a neighborhood, they can only fit so many people. What do you expect?
what a pathetic reaction to this vital initiative
@@louiss1625 I know right, similar to what black people tried to do with Africa🤔. I wonder how that turned out👀..
So cool. And very soon they’re going to be proven right on pretty much everything they do.
I was kinda getting mad the video was glossing over how ridiculously large of a pice of land this occupies, for such a small population, but it is great that they are aware of the problem and are on to fix it.
A lot of Christiania is wild. People from the rest of the city use it too. It isn't really all that big.
How is there a correlation between size and ridiculousness?
@@3replybiz how wild are they? Are they legally clothing optional?
I find it ironic that he complains that the government would build large apartment complexes, when that in fact would be more social, allowing more people into the city, compared to large plots for single families. That can be done without sacrificing all the nature.
The best thing for nature is to contain people in higher density areas then leave as much of the earth unspoiled as possible.
apartment complexes would only allow more wealthy or well off people into the city
But then the fox wouldn't check in every night. Think about it
@@mrsobelek in Vienna some of the buildings are own by the state that gives the chance for not wealthy people to live in the city paying really cheap rent. Now more and more social buildings are under construction.
Mum
Their currency is Pot 😅
Christiania must be renamed to Drug-Christiania, which is more accurate . Drug trade in this place is rife .
actually copenhagen is slum in scandinavian design. rectangular-- cold. but. with caffe latte cino shit. and hey. and you find work capable paying the 2k rent....and to drive your small car-to work. maybe you can afford a wooden house too.
for more vegetable and less pork.❤🖤
lol we dont discriminate based on money we only discriminate based on the opinion of our inhabitants
Why would u go there if you don’t agree with them tho ?
Boohoo you little girl
He made it sound so but the place is a slum full of crimels and drug adicts there are people half dying on the street and there a stabbing 6 times a week
It's funny how left wing ideological systems in practice end up looking a lot like right leaning Libertarianism. I'd be very curious to see how many people who live there also work for the Government during the day...
It's still too individualistic. The fact that each house has a different style, with no concern for a broader vision, demonstrates this. They also don't seem to have a religion. They could make one up, even if it's like a football team. Division of function by sex would also be cool.
Don't value money my ass.
You ever been there?
Why, what are they doing? I’ve never been there
@@yoshimitsu9923 briv they're Europe's largest hash market and will kill for 1,000kr or less.
That's not 200 in dollars. It's a gang town.
You grumpy people😂
This sounds like a shi**y place basically Brooklyn, NY & Portland, OR
Nah, its pretty nice. super chill place to go for a walk on the old city ramparts or sit down for a beer. also there are nice concerts every now and then
@@karl7428 nah I'm good looks boring af
nah it's more like Haight-Ashbury in San Francisco..
But every type of person comes to that place, politicians, doctors, skaters, criminals, sick/ill people, regular people, kids, teachers, tourists from all over the world.
You go to take drugs
The community votes you in but what if they want you out? It’s like a city built for free loaders. Just terrible.