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I have always loved the rem core lokt.they have always shot and preformed very well for me in many different calibers.looks like the new tipped line does a good job also.Thanks for the test!!
Just found your channel. Great content. I have a Ruger 30-06 in stainless steel. Since I don't reload anymore I'm always interested in factory ammo. Nice job explaining and showing everything.
Been using the tipped ammo from rem since they vame out. 243,308,and 30.06..all one shot kills performed justvas good as the old school stuff ive been using for 40 years thsnks good vid!!!
My Mauser with a 26" Douglas #4 barrel chambered in 30-06 running 165 gr Remington core lock tipped is coming in at 2917fps average and groups at 200 yard zero sub moa.... Took a large Michigan doe dressed weight 147lbs with a 175 yard quartering too shot placement was in front of right leg/ chest and found a perfect mushroom just under the hide on the last rib on the left side... Bang flop and I'm super impressed with this ammo for being very accurate/ consistent and very affordable.
Please keep up the great videos. Until your tests, most of us had no idea of the expected velocity of factory ammo, accuracy or bullet performance. Only the old Speer reloading manuals dared to show actual velocities with standard barrel length rifles.
I have taken deer with the 180 gr bronze point it make a serious wound. Remington started producing them in the 1920’s . The last box I found on a shelf was produced around 1998.
I haven't bought core loct tipped since I bought a box of 308 and I could see their differences in seat depth just looking at them. And that was before I handloaded and had an eye for that
I always liked using the core lock bullets loaded down a bit . If you can keep them around 2500 fps they hold together very well and will penetrate very well
Not to mention Vista Outdoors that acquired Remington ammunition also owns Sierra bullets, so this explains how the green tipped bullet came about... Sierra developed the bullet.
I can’t help but agree that your observation on modern federal ammo is all around wonderful… A great improvement over what it was just a few years ago… Not that it wasn’t accurate, it certainly was, just wasn’t all that pretty out of the box lol. I picked up a box of core lokt 30-06 the other day, and all the bullets were seated consistently, the brass was obviously once fired. Looks like something that might actually knock Winchester out of the game for dingiest brass! Yikes! Feeds and shoots, so it fills the bill fine.
I bought a bag of federal 270 brass new and loaded some up and when fired some of the primers were falling out and they were mild loads i guess i got a bad batch of brass ?
I'm still upset they quit making the 783, I can't find a used one in any caliber thats anywhere near me and I dont have time to make a weeken trip just to buy a gun.
For the 22 inch barrel, that's par for the course because they have a medium powder charge for semi automatic rifles for reliability. Everybody know that. Everyone who been a hunting with a woodsmaster, and re loading enthusiast for over 40 years. ONLY USE MEDUM POWDER RECOMMENDED CHARGES FOR PUMPS, LEVER, AND SEMI AUTO RIFLES.
I have noticed a major difference in the new Remington corelokt ammo. Both the original and tipped separate. I know they are not bonded but I have never had an original corelokt separate in any 30 caliber from 30-30 up to 300 win mag. Since the buy out, i have found MULTIPLE jackets inside animals ranging from 2" in to the other side resting against hide, even while using the slow 30-30 win. Now i have always had an exit but my confidence in the best mushroom in the woods has dwindled to nothing more than a glorified powershok. Switched to Interbond and while im not as confident in them as the once deadliest mushroom in the woods, its definitely higher than the new glorified powershoks. I dont hate federal, i am a big fan of the fusion for hogs, not so much for the smaller deer we have down here in the south east though.
The velocities indicated are based upon a 24 inch barrel. Both of my most important rifles have 24 inch barrels. I would prefer 26 inch barrels for these rifles. FPS is like MPG and manufacturers must compete based upon a standard. Eventually barrels might become longer on average and the original standard of velocity measured from 24 inch barrels will be more relevant again. Short barrels have been the recent fashion, but that will soon change like everything else does.
It would be great if ammo was tested in common barrel length AND industry standard 24" length. And I will say that ammo that can't make billed speed within a reasonable margin is being underloaded. If you pay for speed you should get what you pay for. Personally I don't need blistering speed to dynamite 🧨 my deer. I actually find slightly reduced loads have plenty of sauce for 99% of hunting needs.
Agree. I hate the fact that most people think it is normal for your results to be (in this case) 138 fps slower. Not everyone has a chrono. I feel it's a marketing lie. Just my 2 cents tho.
CLAIMED VELOCITY: Drives me nuts , Mason.... Yes , most barrels are 22 inch. Last I knew, You lose 25 FPS, per inch . Also, I sure don't see any Hour Glass Shape in the Lead core, as writers have said. I Don't Like Core seperation, but maby it Technically doest matter. THANK YOU for your Videos.
FURTHER.... I can tell you why, " BILLED CLAIMS... Are ,almost NEVER Correct. Because " SUGGEST AND IMPLY, IS THE MODERN DAY LIE" We use to Live in more Honest Times... It's a Human defect. Velocity , should have been 2695 FPS approx, at a Rate of 25 fps, per inch , 24 inch barrel , to a 22 inch barrel. Lets all StartcSending Emails to Remingtons Ammo Dept, Telling them to adjust the Machine Specs to Reasonable, Honest accuracy.
Hornady SST bullets. Don't let Remington fool you. SSTs are fine for decent accuracy and thinner skinned game. Don't expect great results on large game like Elk, Moose, and bigger bears.
An inch and a half of barrel length beyond 22 inches shouldn't cost you 150 fps. The ammo looks good and performs well, but I am getting 2600 fps from a 178 gr ELD-X Hornady Precision Hunter factory load in .308 Win from an Aero Precision AR-10 with a basic 20-inch CMV barrel. If all these 06 sycophants want to claim the 06 is so much better than .308, it's got to at least come close to advertised velocity over the chronograph. A 22.4-inch barrel should be plenty to get over 2700 fps with a 180 gr bullet in .30-06.
I get 2700+ out of the same rifle using a magneto-speed. I have watched many of your videos and it looks like that you are getting 130-150 fps less than advertised with any commercial load regardless of the rifle. I think you need to calibrate your chrony. Good videos anyway. Cheers.
@Shaggy_Rogers0001 not really. The Tikka has a 22 and 3/8-in barrel. Even if it was a 24-in barrel the most he would gain is maybe 60 ft per second maximum because of 3006 does not have a very low expansion ratio .
Not really. 100 fps doesn't amount to shit in my experience. Marksmanship skills and being able to estimate range are much more important than top velocity...
ELON MUSK , Can Make Remington Great again, lol; Point is, it is going to take someone with the Sheer Will to do it! They Moved to Georgia, bought new Machinery and still can't Get It back to what it once was. Did you know , competition shooter, " WALKER", Designed the Remington 700 to be simplistic to manufacture. Round pipe reciever, with a couple of race ways machined into it, and a screwed on button rifled barrel. SO WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM???, GO FIGURE.
Q: What's the worst .30-06 ammo you can get for deer? A: There is none. All work just fine. If it chambers, it's a good one. Now go back to wasting people's time yammering on about some 6.5 CreedPRC nonsense.
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Hey Mason how is the recoil on the Tikka 3006. And your thoughts on T3x vs Winchester Extreme weather . thanks
I have always loved the rem core lokt.they have always shot and preformed very well for me in many different calibers.looks like the new tipped line does a good job also.Thanks for the test!!
Just found your channel. Great content. I have a Ruger 30-06 in stainless steel. Since I don't reload anymore I'm always interested in factory ammo. Nice job explaining and showing everything.
Been using the tipped ammo from rem since they vame out. 243,308,and 30.06..all one shot kills performed justvas good as the old school stuff ive been using for 40 years thsnks good vid!!!
My Mauser with a 26" Douglas #4 barrel chambered in 30-06 running 165 gr Remington core lock tipped is coming in at 2917fps average and groups at 200 yard zero sub moa.... Took a large Michigan doe dressed weight 147lbs with a 175 yard quartering too shot placement was in front of right leg/ chest and found a perfect mushroom just under the hide on the last rib on the left side... Bang flop and I'm super impressed with this ammo for being very accurate/ consistent and very affordable.
Please keep up the great videos. Until your tests, most of us had no idea of the expected velocity of factory ammo, accuracy or bullet performance. Only the old Speer reloading manuals dared to show actual velocities with standard barrel length rifles.
Good stuff. Loving the ballistics vids.
Glad to be of service!
I have taken deer with the 180 gr bronze point it make a serious wound. Remington started producing them in the 1920’s . The last box I found on a shelf was produced around 1998.
found 3 boxes here in Germany. I do not have any past experience with this ammo.
Nice find! They work well on whitetail deer.
I haven't bought core loct tipped since I bought a box of 308 and I could see their differences in seat depth just looking at them. And that was before I handloaded and had an eye for that
I always liked using the core lock bullets loaded down a bit . If you can keep them around 2500 fps they hold together very well and will penetrate very well
A lot of weatherby, winchester, and browning rifles in non magnums can be gotten in 24” barrels, and the magnums in 26” barrels.
Can, but altogether those are in an extreme minority.
Not to mention Vista Outdoors that acquired Remington ammunition also owns Sierra bullets, so this explains how the green tipped bullet came about... Sierra developed the bullet.
Those look like a re branded Hornady SST
Just bought some of this to try out. I’ve shot it in .308 165 grain and it’s very accurate.
I've never seen a core lokt come apart like that
I've hand loaded 165 grain nosler ballistic tip with the same green tips
It’s a different bullet, similar but no the same
I can’t help but agree that your observation on modern federal ammo is all around wonderful… A great improvement over what it was just a few years ago… Not that it wasn’t accurate, it certainly was, just wasn’t all that pretty out of the box lol. I picked up a box of core lokt 30-06 the other day, and all the bullets were seated consistently, the brass was obviously once fired. Looks like something that might actually knock Winchester out of the game for dingiest brass! Yikes! Feeds and shoots, so it fills the bill fine.
Can't sell ammo in once fired brass without labeling it as a reload.
well done
I bought a bag of federal 270 brass new and loaded some up and when fired some of the primers were falling out and they were mild loads i guess i got a bad batch of brass ?
Not necessarily. Could have been a hot batch of powder. Or your scale?
My 30-06 weatherby vanguard is 24” from factory
Good rifle
I wish more people did gel test at 100 yards, never understood testing rifle bullets 10 feet away
They do it at 10 feet (or whatever other ridiculously close distance) because it’s easier (they’re lazy)
I'm still upset they quit making the 783, I can't find a used one in any caliber thats anywhere near me and I dont have time to make a weeken trip just to buy a gun.
The trend seems to be if they are tipped they do not hold together as well. Excluding bonded and copper.
For the 22 inch barrel, that's par for the course because they have a medium powder charge for semi automatic rifles for reliability. Everybody know that. Everyone who been a hunting with a woodsmaster, and re loading enthusiast for over 40 years. ONLY USE MEDUM POWDER RECOMMENDED CHARGES FOR PUMPS, LEVER, AND SEMI AUTO RIFLES.
I have noticed a major difference in the new Remington corelokt ammo. Both the original and tipped separate. I know they are not bonded but I have never had an original corelokt separate in any 30 caliber from 30-30 up to 300 win mag. Since the buy out, i have found MULTIPLE jackets inside animals ranging from 2" in to the other side resting against hide, even while using the slow 30-30 win. Now i have always had an exit but my confidence in the best mushroom in the woods has dwindled to nothing more than a glorified powershok. Switched to Interbond and while im not as confident in them as the once deadliest mushroom in the woods, its definitely higher than the new glorified powershoks. I dont hate federal, i am a big fan of the fusion for hogs, not so much for the smaller deer we have down here in the south east though.
Hope you can do the hornady 180grain. American whitetail soon 30-06 plz
The velocities indicated are based upon a 24 inch barrel. Both of my most important rifles have 24 inch barrels. I would prefer 26 inch barrels for these rifles. FPS is like MPG and manufacturers must compete based upon a standard. Eventually barrels might become longer on average and the original standard of velocity measured from 24 inch barrels will be more relevant again. Short barrels have been the recent fashion, but that will soon change like everything else does.
The ballistics are done with a 24 inch barrel for testing. You loose 50-100 fps with a 22 inch
It would be great if ammo was tested in common barrel length AND industry standard 24" length. And I will say that ammo that can't make billed speed within a reasonable margin is being underloaded. If you pay for speed you should get what you pay for. Personally I don't need blistering speed to dynamite 🧨 my deer. I actually find slightly reduced loads have plenty of sauce for 99% of hunting needs.
Factory test DO use 24 inch barrels so velocities in a 22 inch barrel will always be less then stated on the box. Otherwise good video
And being that the overwhelming majority of 30-06’s made in the last 40+ years have 22” barrels, the ammo manufacturer should use a 22” test barrel.
Agree. I hate the fact that most people think it is normal for your results to be (in this case) 138 fps slower. Not everyone has a chrono. I feel it's a marketing lie. Just my 2 cents tho.
are you gonna do winchester silver tips
I’m going to do everything
They look just like the bronze points Remington used to load only with plastic tip. I would like to see a bronze point test if you could find some.
I got a box of them , bought a bunch of ammo off a guy and had a box in there of 3006 . I was wondering how old they were
I have some
CLAIMED VELOCITY: Drives me nuts , Mason.... Yes , most barrels are 22 inch. Last I knew, You lose 25 FPS, per inch . Also, I sure don't see any Hour Glass Shape in the Lead core, as writers have said. I Don't Like Core seperation, but maby it Technically doest matter. THANK YOU for your Videos.
FURTHER.... I can tell you why, " BILLED CLAIMS... Are ,almost NEVER Correct. Because " SUGGEST AND IMPLY, IS THE MODERN DAY LIE" We use to Live in more Honest Times... It's a Human defect. Velocity , should have been 2695 FPS approx, at a Rate of 25 fps, per inch , 24 inch barrel , to a 22 inch barrel. Lets all StartcSending Emails to Remingtons Ammo Dept, Telling them to adjust the Machine Specs to Reasonable, Honest accuracy.
Think il try some of those
Hornady SST bullets. Don't let Remington fool you. SSTs are fine for decent accuracy and thinner skinned game. Don't expect great results on large game like Elk, Moose, and bigger bears.
I use the tipped in the 308 but use other loads or stock psp or rn rems in 06 they beat the tipped and shoot plenty far.
Bear in mind that some bullets end up 2xs the size is the final but for 1st 8-10 inches it probably hit 2.6xs.
Some of us have twenty six inch barrels
It'd been even better with a boat tail instead of a flat base.
Buy 180 corelocks. ..then reload with nosler or hornady
An inch and a half of barrel length beyond 22 inches shouldn't cost you 150 fps. The ammo looks good and performs well, but I am getting 2600 fps from a 178 gr ELD-X Hornady Precision Hunter factory load in .308 Win from an Aero Precision AR-10 with a basic 20-inch CMV barrel. If all these 06 sycophants want to claim the 06 is so much better than .308, it's got to at least come close to advertised velocity over the chronograph. A 22.4-inch barrel should be plenty to get over 2700 fps with a 180 gr bullet in .30-06.
I get 2700+ out of the same rifle using a magneto-speed. I have watched many of your videos and it looks like that you are getting 130-150 fps less than advertised with any commercial load regardless of the rifle. I think you need to calibrate your chrony. Good videos anyway. Cheers.
Remington probably uses a 26" test barrel for their printed data vs your 22" barrel. That's where the lost velocity is.
yea aka their data is horse crap. 90%+ of non magnum caliber rifles made since the 70’s have a 22” barrel.
Perfect moose load. Use 150s for deer.
I used the 165gr ones to drop to giant Texas hogs.
Federal ammo is ALWAYS, ALWAYS SLOWER velocity than advertised!! Now, if it isn't all ready, the Remington brand will also be. Then I could be wrong.
all of them are lower than advertised
Pretty low velocity. But good results just the same.
It looks like a nosler ballistic tip hunting bullet
I have the same gun .
308 speeds
Man.. Velocity is a huge disappointment.
@Shaggy_Rogers0001 not really. The Tikka has a 22 and 3/8-in barrel. Even if it was a 24-in barrel the most he would gain is maybe 60 ft per second maximum because of 3006 does not have a very low expansion ratio .
Absolutely. 2750 is about minimum from my loads.
Not really. 100 fps doesn't amount to shit in my experience. Marksmanship skills and being able to estimate range are much more important than top velocity...
ELON MUSK , Can Make Remington Great again, lol; Point is, it is going to take someone with the Sheer Will to do it! They Moved to Georgia, bought new Machinery and still can't Get It back to what it once was. Did you know , competition shooter, " WALKER", Designed the Remington 700 to be simplistic to manufacture. Round pipe reciever, with a couple of race ways machined into it, and a screwed on button rifled barrel. SO WHAT IS THEIR PROBLEM???, GO FIGURE.
22 inch barrels are dumb
Q: What's the worst .30-06 ammo you can get for deer? A: There is none. All work just fine. If it chambers, it's a good one. Now go back to wasting people's time yammering on about some 6.5 CreedPRC nonsense.
TRUMP it up takes on a different meaning nowadays. Exaggeration, lol.
These rounds are crap! They frag on impact on solid bone. You hit a Griz with one of these rounds, it will just piss him off.
Only an idiot would go after grizzly bear with this ammo...