I owned this car for 2 years but I’m selling it because I don’t want to mix track days and my daily. Modding it is awesome there is plenty of power there, a little bit more reliable than the EJ, and the 2015 chassis is perfectly stiffened up. BUT it runs hot for track days, the drive train is all open differential, and the trans can’t handle as much abuse. These have a lot of potential, David you should see the WRXs being built in the northeast; the well built ones are untouchable.
Snoggatog No car that is in mass production is made for road courses lol. But a lot of people like to take them out and see what they got. Some perform better than others. You can’t say a Miata was made to be put on the track but they’re the best cars you can buy and race in the same day. My experience with this car on the track showed where it excelled and where it lacked in comparison to its big brother (sti).
Spot on!! only recently found out WRX not good for track with all open diffs front and back, most WRX owners don't know that and think AWD is same as STI that has all the front and center and rear Limited Slip diffs that make them handle well.
David, thank you for continuing the conversation on the WRX/STi. I think this car specifically holds an interesting place in car culture. The looks can be divisive, the prices are becoming more affordable and bought by lots of different types of drivers, the performance is aging, and reliability is notorious. But the sound is iconic, the community is massive, aftermarket support-second to none, and driving experience is generally satisfying. As the owner of a GR STi hatch, I love my car. It’s more function over form, and fits all of my needs as a daily driver: fast, spacious, and enjoyable. Undoubtedly there’s a charm to Subaru’s, but there is also a lot to criticize. Overall, I agree with both discussion videos; you’ve made valid points, and have genuine interest in this topic. Is the WRX/STi the best car in the world, or even in it’s current (STi) segment? I’d argue no. But it remains an important car.
Lifted Andreas....sure, but some people's opinions are dumb and not grounded in logic, but rather emotion. That is the problem these days....in many cases there IS a right answer given set parameters. There are some really dumb people out there that base opinions solely on gut feel.....that is fine and their choice, but that doesn't mean they aren't a fucking idiot. You sound like one of those people.
Lifted Andreas, and since I feel you are one of those people let me make sure to make it REALLLL clear. I said in many cases there is a right answer GIVEN SET PARAMETERS. If you don't know what that means then you are definitely one of the people I am referring to....and no I don't have an opinion about the WRX vs. STI...I just get annoyed when people say stuff like "*because everyone deserves to have an opinion?"...sounds cucky.
Michael Roberts given set parameters of his comment to a rather humorous post I think ur a bag of dicks.i don’t think it’s logical that you can’t produce an opinion on the wrx sti question surrounding this video based on your current parameters or requirements in your life not a gut feeling,plus u just sound like a jackass for being such a dick.perhaps he feels the wrx is a better car for his set parameters whether that’s logical to you or not kno body gives a fuck
Yup. But they didn't and now they are doing their best to justify it. None of it matters though, it's all preference and how deep pockets are. I think BOTH the WRX and the STI are magnificent cars. I love the fact that they are almost identical but have a different drive train. I love my EJ25 engine. I love the Subie Rumble. Those that bought the WRX love the FA20. They love their car. Owning a STI I have no hate towards WRX owners. I love seeing anyone with a Subaru period. Most Subaru owners are PASSIONATE about their cars, WRX and STI are gaurenteed to love their cars and be passionate about it. My wife has owned only Jeeps and their community is similar. Waves when passing, modifying their Jeeps, and as we race or Rally our cars, they go offroading. Very similar. If you own a Subaru WRX and hate on STI's your not doing it right. If you own an STI and hate on WRX's, your not doing it right.
I wanted an STI But can’t afford it at the moment, so I went with the WRX but in the future I will get my hands on an STI. Either way I love my WRX and I’ll love the STI more When I get it in the near future.
Tbh my car payments was 152 dollars apart I had to justify is the sti worth that extra 150 and it is so it’s all personal preference but I enjoyed beating the wrx on the test drive! Fun car ❤️
I haven't seen a lot of MK6 GLI gen 3 engine's being reviewed on youtube. It would be an honor David if you were to review mine!! It's stage 2 w/ full supporting mods and is no slouch by any means. Either way love the videos keep hammering more content !!!
The reason I'm thinking of trading up to an STi is the lack of fueling available aftermarket fueling. I can't run E85. Also there's a huge problem with DAM fluctuating on 91 and 93. The FA, in stock form, I think is better, personally, for a daily driver, but modifying the STi is much easier than a WRX due to the fact that it's been around in the aftermarket for much longer.
I absolutely love my 2015 wrx. 320 whp and still see over 30mpg on the highway. Low end torque and quick spool is great. The only thing I want from the sti is the transmission. The sti transmission is solid and more capable. But other than that I love the FA engine. Great choice and like he said the intake noise is so addicting driving around town. For a sport daily driver I'm happy.
I work on Subarus. I like the WRX better. Especially doing oil changes, on the WRX the filter is right on the top and the drain plug is right on the bottom in the open. While on the STI the filter and drain plug is hidden behind a giant piece of fucking plastic with like 6 clips and like 4 screws. It's annoying to keep taking off and putting on. The WRX is also seems easier to drive than the STI although both of them are very easy to drive. The STI does pull harder though.
Cris H I didn't like the rev hang, and after 4k rpms the car fell flat. I could feel the ecu constantly reduce timing. It's still a great car overall. Very comfortable to drive and nice. It's a good DD. I have an evo 8 as well. The sti is just more my style of car .
hondacivick20 understandable. I was just curious because the WRX appeals more to me than the sti. I'm sure the Evo is fun though lol. I wouldnt mind having one myself
I see what your saying value wise but with the sti, your getting all of the shortcomings y’all mentioned in this video and then some already addressed. It’s actually a great deal if you think about it. Just look at how much it is to really build a trans....and all the diffs....and axles. You’ll make up that price difference real quick once you start to really dig into it.
I see probably 20 wrxs and about 50 st's on my daily drive around my town in Ohio.. Shits crazy, but I swear with my car or anyone's car once you buy it you start seeing more. I never saw any evos of any kind and then when I bought my x I know about 7 different people who have em now lmao.. Oh well
Yeah they are incredibly common. I do have to say that theyre a great value for a new car, I saw one on TrueCar, 2018 base WRX with 318 miles for $22,500. I was debating on possibly getting one, but if I did buy it, I knew I would just regret not getting an Evo.
I love my 2016 WRX, best bang for the buck, but it is turning into the Civic of this era lol. Also it depends on where you live. When Im in Atl I hardly see any WRX/STi's which is good if I move back.
I watched this....bought an STI. The STI is a better car...everything is better....brakes, suspension, drivetrain, steering....and no carbon build up. RA engine is not an issue...stock is was 297whp....from the factory..so probably 350 crank...stock.
How to tastefully modify the exterior of just about any car. 1) Add wheels with the correct offset. 2) Fit decent rubber 3) Add coilovers and adjust so that your car passes the shoe test. Don't make the car look like it's on stilts, and don't lower it until it's scraping its belly. 4) A four inch exhaust tip is generally overkill. That's it. Done. Your car now sits right on the road, and doesn't look like it's been painted with glue before ram-raiding the nearest tacky parts store.
Now yeah the fa20 is better than the modern ej25 but...you cannot but a 6 speed, brembos and steering rack for "a tenth of the price". That's just ridiculous to tell people.
Richiewrx 15 I know...I would never buy a new sti. The amount of money that you're spending for a car that gets walked by a stock v6 camaro is pathetic.
You can get an sti trans, brembo brakes, and upgraded steering rack for 1/10th of the price difference ($1,000) in the aftermarket? Huhhhh you must make those parts yourself
Not really a subi fan, but the WRX is actually a fine machine. The FA20 is a nice motor especially with a snail strapped onto it and it's a nice looking car. It's a car i'd consider purchasing.
HighMagnitudeGT tons of WRX's bought with military signing bonuses in New England, usually plastered with monster energy stickers, op's comment is fire
hey I know this dude, DJ'ed his friend Jeff's wedding and I met him there. Told him I was an ambassador. Small world to find this on youtube lol. Saw this car in person its really nice.
Lolwut did I hear? 1/10th the price? That means for $1000 you can: Upgrade brakes, put limited slip diffs front, center, and rear, add the secondary controllable center diff, heated Recaro power seat (limited), improved suspension, shorter ratio manual, am i missing anything? I want to know where you are getting that bargain!!! I've been trying to talk myself into the cvt wrx, but being a smartass here helped solidify wanting the sti. It is a lot extra for the money, and used, the price gap nearly disappears. Might be some amazing deals on the entire VA lineup next year with the FA24DIT in both WRX and STI trims.
Better bearings, won't lean out easy and blow up, stronger material of the sidewalls in the cylinders, and like it was said, more low end torque. Only problem is rods are synonymous to piston failure, but after market, it's fine. Ej needs to leave since half a decade ago
The only downfall of the FA20 is the rods and then pistons. I've done a lot of research into these engines and common failures, and it seems like a real step in the right direction from the old EJ platform.
I AM Design Products Actually, you are right. Some people had the spun bearings nightmare, but that rarely happens rarely now. The pistons, like in #3 as typical subaru lol, can blow and detonate, more common than the bearings, but still not as common as the old ej. I just wish subaru would go with a closed deck like the 2.2; although price would rise, but still worth it.
Michael Bullington They actually use it for the jdm spec, but they add in the direct injection and I think the fa20 bearings. So all you would need is to do the forged pistons and you're good. Plus, a closed deck engine is the best engine.
No doubt, I'm planning on sticking with the FA20 motor for my long term build. This engine really likes to make power and torque, and closed deck is definitely the way to go, even with stock cylinders. Even at 400 hp this car's power to weight ratio rivals that of some very, very expensive cars!
If you do all the mods your self on a wrx. It’s worth it. Someone like me who has no time to work on my vehicle. I purchased the STi. Once the warranty is expired I will pay to get it worked on.
David, you should take a trip out to Chicago. I think you would love being able to check out the car scene here. Chitown Subarus is an awesome huge community group with weekly meets, and i think would be an awesome way to show you some of the car culture out here. It would be such an awesome time if you could make it out here. Definitely reach out to me, shoot me a message! I would love to bring you around and show you the community a bit!
I love these reviews with the driver in the passenger seat. I hope to be there eventually even if it's like waay into the future. But I got a long way to go.
I had a 2013 WRX and the entire time wanted a STI. Any WRX owner who says they don't want an STI is lying. Look at this guys car, he's trying his best to make it appear to be an STI......I then leased a 2019 STI Limited with about a grand in extra's from factory. I put $5K down and lease the car for $350 a month. When I MAPerformace stage 2 my STI compared to the WRX I'll make a ton more HP and torque and have upgraded pistons from factory and a stout trans compared to a WRX.
I had a 2017 WRX, it was sketchy, didnt really like the fact that the AC compressor cycled automatically and you coudnt turn it off (this kills a 4 cylinder). The rev hang is horrible, first to second gear sucked, the shifter felt horrible (cable shifters suck ass) even after installing aftermarket bushings and shift gates, The engine sounds awesome with catless Jpipe and tomei. The car is really nice after you get rid of the TGV and EGR with a protune. Getting 300 miles on a tank is nice....what ever I bought a 2011 STi, stage 2 sounds great and yea it doesnt have low end torque but I'm much more confident with it than the FA20
The Don some people just like the look of the wing. People also like to put in the sti seats. I dont think people wish they had an STI i think they like spending less money and getting pretty much the same car lol. I personally dont like the wing that much or care to upgrade my seats. Now thats a money waster lol. Thats why those things are not on my 2017 wrx. I got mine pushing 380hp at the crank, 336 whp and 340 torque reliably. Bren tuned as well. Stage 3 grimmspeed power package and with a nameless turboback exhaust. I’d say I got a much better set up than an STI, sooo no I don’t wish I had one😂 I don’t shit on people that have one either. All subies are great. Just depends on your preference🤷🏻♂️ I could do more mods to my car and still have less money invested than me buying an sti
I do agree with fa vs ej thing but staff that you get with sti, like short gear ratios, transmission holds 1000hp, and suspension has the best feel ive ever felt really in a rally car, after an evo obviously😁
Maybe the sti is for tuners or for people that want to modify their vehicle... Hints the bullet proof trans that'll hold like 600 hp reliably, maybe more without modification
The rumble comes from the unequal length headers on the turbo ej series. The turbo fa series has equal length, so no more rumble... Small price to pay for the torque down low on that twin scroll turbskie tho.
Yes the new WRX is nice and the Fa20 likes to make power.....however, no way in hell can you get a upgraded 6spd Trans, Brembos, DCCD, and limited slip diffs for a "tenth of the price". You are basically saying you can get all those upgrades for a grand.
I think we are missing the bigger picture here. Its not that the STi is a terrible car its the old ass, outdated ass EJ25 Subaru has been using since the early 2000s . Lets face it Subaru is smart, they haven't changed the engine because the regular WRX does so well. soo why mess that up. they keep the EJ25 and they continue to sell a lot of WRX STi's and continue to sell a shit load of regular FA20 WRXs as well. its a win win for them. they put an FA25 motor or what ever they would call it in an STI no one would buy a regular WRX again. I know I wouldn't
The WRX is for the DIY guy, who enjoys building from the bottom. The STi is a good out of the box track car. Can a WRX reach STi capabilities? Yes. But you'd be hitting the base price of an STi. The FA is so much easier to work on vs the EJ.
A stock WRX on 91 octane is not smooth, it has a horrible flat spot around 4500rpm - 5000rpm. For people who live in a state where 91 octane is the highest available I highly recommend a Cobb accessport. If I was going to mod it I would of kept my wrx but since I wanted a stock daily driver I traded my wrx for a STI. I already have a high hp 6062 powered EVO IX so that's why I needed a stock daily. If I was going to mod a Subaru though I'd go for the fa20 WRX.
Tariq balushi no lmfao you have to know how to drive and it can last. People think their wrx is a drag car and use launch control too much. The 5 speed flexes under launches and is a major reason people blow through them.
Id pick the WRX because it's less expensive and gets better gas mileage. Plus you can tune and make nearly as much power as the STI and still have great gas mileage. Thats right. All about the savings :)
Once I make my sti faster hopefully you can review mine it's a 2015 think David would change his mind if he drove an 800 hp sti just saying doesn't matter love my sti no hate
I'm getting this cr in a few months I'd rather have this than the sti because i drive uber and all sorts of other app related platforms that involve driving and the sti isn't available in automatic so the wrx is much more comfortable
nice video David! about that Life haha. I can't wait to start modding my LegacyGT, after I fix the issue I am having, believe it may be boost creep :/ any advice?!
I read up and suggestions were ported wastegate, or external wastegate? a new BOV will address this?! recirculating I'm assuming as I have heard not great things about atmospheric on our cars. Thanks for any help/advice!
I couldn’t afford the insurance for the wrx $500 and ended up with a 07 g35 sedan. Beat a few stis stock for stock and my friends sti just to make sure. Happy i couldn’t afford wrx insurance.
1/10th the price with aftermarket parts to make it like an sti???? Have you done your research? Or are you just spitting garbage and pretending to know things?
I don't see many wrx/STIs not tastefully done. You see the memes of "Subaru starter pack; intake, turbo back, accessport" thats literally EVERY TURBO CARS STARTER PACK. Sure there's a segment of people of like stanced cars, blast pipes whatever, but that's literally every make of car that has those groups. Then you get these guys who buy a WRX and still don't have the backbone to "defend" (not the right word I know), STis, just cause they didn't buy one.
Tune and Intake (Stage 1) on an FA will make the same power as a tune and 3inch downpipe (Stage 2) on an EJ; IMHO, barring the fact that reliability of both drops off after that point.
STI transmission is far superior, much better brake kit, suspension is decent. With these mods alone ur looking at thousands of $$ more. Show me someone putting a brand new and better trans in a wrex for super cheap after parts and labor. Get outta here Wrx is a good car with good potential but don't knock some things the STI has that the wrx doesn't.
Yeah, that's what I'm disliking most about Dude's two videos here. It's like he doesn't get it? Allowed to one's opinion, still I think it's frustrating.
Try taking both a wrx and an sti to an autocross day and tell me the Sti isn’t worth it. Driving around your neighborhood with your backpack in the back seats isn’t a review.
Anthony Carlino literally half the video is them talking about how the WRX is a good daily driver for people who want some performance; not every sports car needs to be a Ferrari killer out on the track
Wrx/Sti Starter pack
Gold wheels ✔️
Park bench Wing ✔️
Invidia or Tomei Catback ✔️
Yellow fogs
Vape
3/5 Rating
Mine has none of those xD
Gold wheels are the way
Mine doesn't have any of those either...lol
Mine has 2/5 😭 To be fair it came with the wing so...
Vape 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I owned this car for 2 years but I’m selling it because I don’t want to mix track days and my daily. Modding it is awesome there is plenty of power there, a little bit more reliable than the EJ, and the 2015 chassis is perfectly stiffened up. BUT it runs hot for track days, the drive train is all open differential, and the trans can’t handle as much abuse.
These have a lot of potential, David you should see the WRXs being built in the northeast; the well built ones are untouchable.
Revo900 shouldn’t be taking a car like this to a road course lol, not what it was meant for
Snoggatog No car that is in mass production is made for road courses lol. But a lot of people like to take them out and see what they got. Some perform better than others. You can’t say a Miata was made to be put on the track but they’re the best cars you can buy and race in the same day.
My experience with this car on the track showed where it excelled and where it lacked in comparison to its big brother (sti).
Spot on!! only recently found out WRX not good for track with all open diffs front and back, most WRX owners don't know that and think AWD is same as STI that has all the front and center and rear Limited Slip diffs that make them handle well.
David, thank you for continuing the conversation on the WRX/STi. I think this car specifically holds an interesting place in car culture. The looks can be divisive, the prices are becoming more affordable and bought by lots of different types of drivers, the performance is aging, and reliability is notorious. But the sound is iconic, the community is massive, aftermarket support-second to none, and driving experience is generally satisfying. As the owner of a GR STi hatch, I love my car. It’s more function over form, and fits all of my needs as a daily driver: fast, spacious, and enjoyable. Undoubtedly there’s a charm to Subaru’s, but there is also a lot to criticize. Overall, I agree with both discussion videos; you’ve made valid points, and have genuine interest in this topic. Is the WRX/STi the best car in the world, or even in it’s current (STi) segment? I’d argue no. But it remains an important car.
People will always disagree with others because people
FredWasHere i disagree
GenzillaKDM 408 how dare you
Lifted Andreas....sure, but some people's opinions are dumb and not grounded in logic, but rather emotion. That is the problem these days....in many cases there IS a right answer given set parameters. There are some really dumb people out there that base opinions solely on gut feel.....that is fine and their choice, but that doesn't mean they aren't a fucking idiot. You sound like one of those people.
Lifted Andreas, and since I feel you are one of those people let me make sure to make it REALLLL clear. I said in many cases there is a right answer GIVEN SET PARAMETERS. If you don't know what that means then you are definitely one of the people I am referring to....and no I don't have an opinion about the WRX vs. STI...I just get annoyed when people say stuff like "*because everyone deserves to have an opinion?"...sounds cucky.
Michael Roberts given set parameters of his comment to a rather humorous post I think ur a bag of dicks.i don’t think it’s logical that you can’t produce an opinion on the wrx sti question surrounding this video based on your current parameters or requirements in your life not a gut feeling,plus u just sound like a jackass for being such a dick.perhaps he feels the wrx is a better car for his set parameters whether that’s logical to you or not kno body gives a fuck
The way I see it, it's your car, do what you want with it
Yup, going to look into a WRX now. Just. Plain. Perfect.
If there was no price different between the WRX and STi, ppl would get the STi. Nuff said
Yup. But they didn't and now they are doing their best to justify it. None of it matters though, it's all preference and how deep pockets are. I think BOTH the WRX and the STI are magnificent cars. I love the fact that they are almost identical but have a different drive train. I love my EJ25 engine. I love the Subie Rumble. Those that bought the WRX love the FA20. They love their car. Owning a STI I have no hate towards WRX owners. I love seeing anyone with a Subaru period. Most Subaru owners are PASSIONATE about their cars, WRX and STI are gaurenteed to love their cars and be passionate about it. My wife has owned only Jeeps and their community is similar. Waves when passing, modifying their Jeeps, and as we race or Rally our cars, they go offroading. Very similar.
If you own a Subaru WRX and hate on STI's your not doing it right. If you own an STI and hate on WRX's, your not doing it right.
Facts.. i hate wen ppl make excuses instead of just keeping it real and say its cause $
Lol salty ass sti owners
I wanted an STI But can’t afford it at the moment, so I went with the WRX but in the future I will get my hands on an STI. Either way I love my WRX and I’ll love the STI more When I get it in the near future.
Tbh my car payments was 152 dollars apart I had to justify is the sti worth that extra 150 and it is so it’s all personal preference but I enjoyed beating the wrx on the test drive! Fun car ❤️
Sti fans will angrily vape after watching this.
I haven't seen a lot of MK6 GLI gen 3 engine's being reviewed on youtube. It would be an honor David if you were to review mine!! It's stage 2 w/ full supporting mods and is no slouch by any means. Either way love the videos keep hammering more content !!!
The reason I'm thinking of trading up to an STi is the lack of fueling available aftermarket fueling. I can't run E85. Also there's a huge problem with DAM fluctuating on 91 and 93. The FA, in stock form, I think is better, personally, for a daily driver, but modifying the STi is much easier than a WRX due to the fact that it's been around in the aftermarket for much longer.
Accessport's are so worth getting. Really makes life easier.
Owner is super level headed. Great personality. Sensible.
I absolutely love my 2015 wrx. 320 whp and still see over 30mpg on the highway. Low end torque and quick spool is great. The only thing I want from the sti is the transmission. The sti transmission is solid and more capable. But other than that I love the FA engine. Great choice and like he said the intake noise is so addicting driving around town. For a sport daily driver I'm happy.
AJ VanGorden i removed the intake.box on my toyota sienna and it makes the intake noise too.
Did you see that coming?
I work on Subarus. I like the WRX better. Especially doing oil changes, on the WRX the filter is right on the top and the drain plug is right on the bottom in the open. While on the STI the filter and drain plug is hidden behind a giant piece of fucking plastic with like 6 clips and like 4 screws. It's annoying to keep taking off and putting on. The WRX is also seems easier to drive than the STI although both of them are very easy to drive. The STI does pull harder though.
LoL Stereotypical young military dude w/ a Subaru WRX/STI there are A LOT of them here in SoCal...they actually look like this dudes car!
Penny Copperhatch jealous
+kit cavanagh typical typed reply!
Lmao right, I pass a navy base on my daily commute and see a handful of these 😂😂
DoritosDoor where I live a lot of Navy vets drive either Honda Ridgelines or Toyota Tundras.
Can’t forget the challenger/charger is their go to also 😂
Had a 2017 wrx limited. Hated it. Traded it in for a 2018 sti. Way happier with the STI.
hondacivick20 what did you hate about it?
Cris H I didn't like the rev hang, and after 4k rpms the car fell flat. I could feel the ecu constantly reduce timing. It's still a great car overall. Very comfortable to drive and nice. It's a good DD. I have an evo 8 as well. The sti is just more my style of car .
hondacivick20 understandable. I was just curious because the WRX appeals more to me than the sti. I'm sure the Evo is fun though lol. I wouldnt mind having one myself
Cris H defiantly. Nothing wrong with the wrx. As long as it appeals to you that's all that matters.
hondacivick20 true that. Just noticed your name, I have an 8th gen si myself lol
I see what your saying value wise but with the sti, your getting all of the shortcomings y’all mentioned in this video and then some already addressed. It’s actually a great deal if you think about it. Just look at how much it is to really build a trans....and all the diffs....and axles. You’ll make up that price difference real quick once you start to really dig into it.
Seems like everyone and their mom has a 15+ WRX, prolly due to them being available with a CVT as well.
Brad Foernssler the cvts never wave back either
I see probably 20 wrxs and about 50 st's on my daily drive around my town in Ohio.. Shits crazy, but I swear with my car or anyone's car once you buy it you start seeing more. I never saw any evos of any kind and then when I bought my x I know about 7 different people who have em now lmao.. Oh well
Brad Foernssler true, I'm glad I'm old school with my bugeye
Yeah they are incredibly common. I do have to say that theyre a great value for a new car, I saw one on TrueCar, 2018 base WRX with 318 miles for $22,500. I was debating on possibly getting one, but if I did buy it, I knew I would just regret not getting an Evo.
I love my 2016 WRX, best bang for the buck, but it is turning into the Civic of this era lol. Also it depends on where you live. When Im in Atl I hardly see any WRX/STi's which is good if I move back.
I have 2017 wrx with catback invidia n1 dual tips, perfect level of noise and great sound.
I watched this....bought an STI. The STI is a better car...everything is better....brakes, suspension, drivetrain, steering....and no carbon build up. RA engine is not an issue...stock is was 297whp....from the factory..so probably 350 crank...stock.
How to tastefully modify the exterior of just about any car.
1) Add wheels with the correct offset.
2) Fit decent rubber
3) Add coilovers and adjust so that your car passes the shoe test. Don't make the car look like it's on stilts, and don't lower it until it's scraping its belly.
4) A four inch exhaust tip is generally overkill.
That's it. Done. Your car now sits right on the road, and doesn't look like it's been painted with glue before ram-raiding the nearest tacky parts store.
Now yeah the fa20 is better than the modern ej25 but...you cannot but a 6 speed, brembos and steering rack for "a tenth of the price". That's just ridiculous to tell people.
Aaron Culotta man sti cost a lot plus factory parts cost a lot people try to save money
Richiewrx 15 I know...I would never buy a new sti. The amount of money that you're spending for a car that gets walked by a stock v6 camaro is pathetic.
Yep and 3 LSD's for a tenth the price? LMFAO this dude obviously hates STi's must've been run over by one when he was a kid
malcolmz3o1 his name says it. Richiewrx.
06BlackHawk STI I think he was referring to breaks only. I think he was kinda saying the tranny and rack are good enough.
You can get an sti trans, brembo brakes, and upgraded steering rack for 1/10th of the price difference ($1,000) in the aftermarket? Huhhhh you must make those parts yourself
teeBrunz lmao ur right
He gets a military discount
3D print that shit!
The wrx premium model comes with the sti short shifter anyway
teeBrunz yeah not sure where he is getting those numbers from haha
I will get one once they update the engine and make a hatch again 😎
Captain Tsubasa 10 same. As for now I’m enjoying my 2018 FA20
I dunno I still love MY18 STI its badass out of the box!!
Black and gold look really good on this car.
Not really a subi fan, but the WRX is actually a fine machine. The FA20 is a nice motor especially with a snail strapped onto it and it's a nice looking car. It's a car i'd consider purchasing.
There a nice car for the money in my opinion because there a good looking car and they have some power
That's one of the few newer subarus I'd say they're "done right".
1/10th of the price difference? Nice. What are the difference between wrx and sti? What part do I need modify?
Watching this 3years later because I can finally afford one😅
Same 😂
Come check out my “tastefully modified” WRX build. From the northeast, we do it right :) (disclaimer: not a military guy)
VIXREX rice
Tai Lopez gotta feed em
Why would people think you’re military lol
HighMagnitudeGT tons of WRX's bought with military signing bonuses in New England, usually plastered with monster energy stickers, op's comment is fire
HighMagnitudeGT yes what Cody said. Nothing against them, just lots of military guys get them around here
hey I know this dude, DJ'ed his friend Jeff's wedding and I met him there. Told him I was an ambassador. Small world to find this on youtube lol. Saw this car in person its really nice.
Really nicely done WRX. Looks great man
Lolwut did I hear? 1/10th the price?
That means for $1000 you can:
Upgrade brakes, put limited slip diffs front, center, and rear, add the secondary controllable center diff, heated Recaro power seat (limited), improved suspension, shorter ratio manual, am i missing anything?
I want to know where you are getting that bargain!!!
I've been trying to talk myself into the cvt wrx, but being a smartass here helped solidify wanting the sti. It is a lot extra for the money, and used, the price gap nearly disappears.
Might be some amazing deals on the entire VA lineup next year with the FA24DIT in both WRX and STI trims.
That subie sounded great
Better bearings, won't lean out easy and blow up, stronger material of the sidewalls in the cylinders, and like it was said, more low end torque. Only problem is rods are synonymous to piston failure, but after market, it's fine. Ej needs to leave since half a decade ago
Personally I'd bet on the reliability of closed deck EJ20 with forged pistons over an FA20 anyday; a modern EJ on those specs would take the cake.
The only downfall of the FA20 is the rods and then pistons. I've done a lot of research into these engines and common failures, and it seems like a real step in the right direction from the old EJ platform.
I AM Design Products Actually, you are right. Some people had the spun bearings nightmare, but that rarely happens rarely now. The pistons, like in #3 as typical subaru lol, can blow and detonate, more common than the bearings, but still not as common as the old ej. I just wish subaru would go with a closed deck like the 2.2; although price would rise, but still worth it.
Michael Bullington They actually use it for the jdm spec, but they add in the direct injection and I think the fa20 bearings. So all you would need is to do the forged pistons and you're good. Plus, a closed deck engine is the best engine.
No doubt, I'm planning on sticking with the FA20 motor for my long term build. This engine really likes to make power and torque, and closed deck is definitely the way to go, even with stock cylinders. Even at 400 hp this car's power to weight ratio rivals that of some very, very expensive cars!
If you do all the mods your self on a wrx. It’s worth it. Someone like me who has no time to work on my vehicle. I purchased the STi. Once the warranty is expired I will pay to get it worked on.
coming from an STi owner I completely agree with Davids point for the price its an amazing car if you get it in a manual
My friends always tell me my wrx sounds like a k24 swapped civic 😂 😂.
David, you should take a trip out to Chicago. I think you would love being able to check out the car scene here. Chitown Subarus is an awesome huge community group with weekly meets, and i think would be an awesome way to show you some of the car culture out here. It would be such an awesome time if you could make it out here. Definitely reach out to me, shoot me a message! I would love to bring you around and show you the community a bit!
David says wrx's sound like a Honda at 06:40 and the poor dudes heart drops for a second.. Still a badass car but kinda true lol
EvoX Pribs not really hear one in person camera really not good picking up sounds that much
I love these reviews with the driver in the passenger seat. I hope to be there eventually even if it's like waay into the future. But I got a long way to go.
As much as I love the sti's, EJ is such old tech! If it was possible I'd drop an FA into my gc8 but I dont think its been done before.
I had a 2013 WRX and the entire time wanted a STI. Any WRX owner who says they don't want an STI is lying. Look at this guys car, he's trying his best to make it appear to be an STI......I then leased a 2019 STI Limited with about a grand in extra's from factory. I put $5K down and lease the car for $350 a month. When I MAPerformace stage 2 my STI compared to the WRX I'll make a ton more HP and torque and have upgraded pistons from factory and a stout trans compared to a WRX.
I had a 2017 WRX, it was sketchy, didnt really like the fact that the AC compressor cycled automatically and you coudnt turn it off (this kills a 4 cylinder). The rev hang is horrible, first to second gear sucked, the shifter felt horrible (cable shifters suck ass) even after installing aftermarket bushings and shift gates, The engine sounds awesome with catless Jpipe and tomei. The car is really nice after you get rid of the TGV and EGR with a protune. Getting 300 miles on a tank is nice....what ever I bought a 2011 STi, stage 2 sounds great and yea it doesnt have low end torque but I'm much more confident with it than the FA20
1st DGM 2nd LBP 3rd AW
How is it tastefully done when it looks exactly like a sti
Exactly. WRX owners ALWAYS wish they had an STi.
The Don some people just like the look of the wing. People also like to put in the sti seats. I dont think people wish they had an STI i think they like spending less money and getting pretty much the same car lol. I personally dont like the wing that much or care to upgrade my seats. Now thats a money waster lol. Thats why those things are not on my 2017 wrx. I got mine pushing 380hp at the crank, 336 whp and 340 torque reliably. Bren tuned as well. Stage 3 grimmspeed power package and with a nameless turboback exhaust. I’d say I got a much better set up than an STI, sooo no I don’t wish I had one😂 I don’t shit on people that have one either. All subies are great. Just depends on your preference🤷🏻♂️ I could do more mods to my car and still have less money invested than me buying an sti
@@thedon9670 lol ok ‘’ Mr Billionaire”
I do agree with fa vs ej thing but staff that you get with sti, like short gear ratios, transmission holds 1000hp, and suspension has the best feel ive ever felt really in a rally car, after an evo obviously😁
his car sound really good
Can you get in Dual clutch. My problem is the manual trans everything else I love. Also how reliable are they. I don't need car trouble.
Big Power 2015+ Subaru WRX/ STI next!
Idk I’m deciding between a wrx and a gti? Any help I can get?
Maybe the sti is for tuners or for people that want to modify their vehicle... Hints the bullet proof trans that'll hold like 600 hp reliably, maybe more without modification
The rumble comes from the unequal length headers on the turbo ej series. The turbo fa series has equal length, so no more rumble... Small price to pay for the torque down low on that twin scroll turbskie tho.
Great video great convo and information 👌. Cool dude.
Holy crap - I had no idea there was a helper spring in the clutch - going to remove that ASAP!
Come on now David, is there REALLY a way to tastefully mod a WRX?..I don’t knowwww ;)
tasteful is very subjective haha
Staggered Horizons, :) indeed
Obviously there is
Cameron Wyllis, sarcasm
Not adding a sti wing.
I've been rocking the N1 and I don't think it sounds honda-ie
That thing looks & sounds great
Yes the new WRX is nice and the Fa20 likes to make power.....however, no way in hell can you get a upgraded 6spd Trans, Brembos, DCCD, and limited slip diffs for a "tenth of the price". You are basically saying you can get all those upgrades for a grand.
David sorry but this is boring I find myself not watching your video a lot... Man invests in a couple of go pro and a camera man
2" lift, 27.5" A/T tire, Rally Innovations light bar and an ETS turbo kit. 440whp on 93 and meth and the perfect car to take camping.
What brand is your jpipe, I still love my nameless muffler deletes, but there loud for most people tastes.
Founding Fathers Garage. Will do thank you
lol muffler deletes are too loud xD
Dude is a straight up honda fan boy, he gets so excited that the fa sounds like a honda
I think we are missing the bigger picture here. Its not that the STi is a terrible car its the old ass, outdated ass EJ25 Subaru has been using since the early 2000s . Lets face it Subaru is smart, they haven't changed the engine because the regular WRX does so well. soo why mess that up. they keep the EJ25 and they continue to sell a lot of WRX STi's and continue to sell a shit load of regular FA20 WRXs as well. its a win win for them. they put an FA25 motor or what ever they would call it in an STI no one would buy a regular WRX again. I know I wouldn't
Haven't watched yet but it's David so you know it's good
The WRX is for the DIY guy, who enjoys building from the bottom. The STi is a good out of the box track car. Can a WRX reach STi capabilities? Yes. But you'd be hitting the base price of an STi. The FA is so much easier to work on vs the EJ.
A stock WRX on 91 octane is not smooth, it has a horrible flat spot around 4500rpm - 5000rpm. For people who live in a state where 91 octane is the highest available I highly recommend a Cobb accessport. If I was going to mod it I would of kept my wrx but since I wanted a stock daily driver I traded my wrx for a STI. I already have a high hp 6062 powered EVO IX so that's why I needed a stock daily. If I was going to mod a Subaru though I'd go for the fa20 WRX.
David you should really drive an STi that has equal length headers.
WRX with STI wing is tasteful?
Is the Hawkeye WRX trans really Bad??
Subaru people, will it break that easily??
Tariq balushi no lmfao you have to know how to drive and it can last. People think their wrx is a drag car and use launch control too much. The 5 speed flexes under launches and is a major reason people blow through them.
Id pick the WRX because it's less expensive and gets better gas mileage. Plus you can tune and make nearly as much power as the STI and still have great gas mileage. Thats right. All about the savings :)
I love it very good my boy keep up and love video bro
Dealing with that drive train that’s 800-900 whp capable is a total pain in the A 😂
STI should come with the option for ELH or UEL.
come to florida david!! review my golf r plzzzz? or i can come up there to atlanta, im in jacksonville florida so i wouldnt mind driving
It true Evo has really short gears but it's great with those rev matching
No unequal length header option means I’ll take a pass on the fa20 unless it’s the brz
Remember when this channel had cool car reviews 😐 it’s become a lot more clickbaity
Once I make my sti faster hopefully you can review mine it's a 2015 think David would change his mind if he drove an 800 hp sti just saying doesn't matter love my sti no hate
I'm getting this cr in a few months I'd rather have this than the sti because i drive uber and all sorts of other app related platforms that involve driving and the sti isn't available in automatic so the wrx is much more comfortable
I would still take a Evo any day of the week over any subie. But cool car. Each their own
Review my rotary engine Mazda Miata though....
MYZTERY_EDENIAN aka Timmy B wait you actually have a rotary in your miata?
Elijah Lawrence I sure do it's pretty fun LOL
MYZTERY_EDENIAN aka Timmy B email him that's how he sets his reviews up he'll never see this comment
This
Yes please
i'd still get the STI, fite me irl
nice video David! about that Life haha. I can't wait to start modding my LegacyGT, after I fix the issue I am having, believe it may be boost creep :/ any advice?!
Staggered Horizons new or better bpv/bov
I read up and suggestions were ported wastegate, or external wastegate? a new BOV will address this?! recirculating I'm assuming as I have heard not great things about atmospheric on our cars. Thanks for any help/advice!
You should review Dustin’s WRX
Yes!! This is nice to show that we do have a car scene in Ohio
I couldn’t afford the insurance for the wrx $500 and ended up with a 07 g35 sedan. Beat a few stis stock for stock and my friends sti just to make sure. Happy i couldn’t afford wrx insurance.
$500 a month?
I cant it sounds like a honda. i just cant get over it.
1/10th the price with aftermarket parts to make it like an sti???? Have you done your research? Or are you just spitting garbage and pretending to know things?
Korneliy Gazhula I will take spitting garbage and pretending to know things for 500 Bob!
JGTC GT300 BRZ uses an EJ
24 Hours of Nur uses an EJ
Subaru Rally USA also uses an EJ
I'm just saying.
impreza0109 they are probably fully build closed deck ej with proper pistons :P the 25 you get in ur merica sti sucks balls
well you're not gonna get 800hp from a 2JZ without doing a build on it as well.
So by that logic the 2JZ sucks as well?
besides the brz subaru have been doing those things for a while
impreza0109
And how many of those are built EJs? 😂👌🏼
impreza0109 fuck outta here. 2Js make excellent power without a need to be built.
EJs fall apart with an extra 2lbs of boost
Mine just got rear ended on the highway yesterday :(
I'm sorry man. Are you alright though?
going to be trading in my 13 wrx for a 2018 wrx soon, hoping to find a exhaust close to my cobb
how do you get him to review ur car?
I don't see many wrx/STIs not tastefully done. You see the memes of "Subaru starter pack; intake, turbo back, accessport" thats literally EVERY TURBO CARS STARTER PACK.
Sure there's a segment of people of like stanced cars, blast pipes whatever, but that's literally every make of car that has those groups. Then you get these guys who buy a WRX and still don't have the backbone to "defend" (not the right word I know), STis, just cause they didn't buy one.
Tune and Intake (Stage 1) on an FA will make the same power as a tune and 3inch downpipe (Stage 2) on an EJ; IMHO, barring the fact that reliability of both drops off after that point.
STI transmission is far superior, much better brake kit, suspension is decent. With these mods alone ur looking at thousands of $$ more. Show me someone putting a brand new and better trans in a wrex for super cheap after parts and labor. Get outta here
Wrx is a good car with good potential but don't knock some things the STI has that the wrx doesn't.
Yeah, that's what I'm disliking most about Dude's two videos here. It's like he doesn't get it? Allowed to one's opinion, still I think it's frustrating.
David i love you please come to New Brunswick Canada
I am glad he admitted it. You can bullshit all day long about your own reason. But the only real reason you buy a WRX is that you cannot afford a STI.
Jinge Liu facts
Yup yup
Jinge Liu Only reason I own a WRX lol.
Jinge Liu lol good point, the only reason i got a wrx is i couldn't afford an s3!! No regrets yet...
@ogpunkbuster Yes no regrets from me either. Love hearing the Unequal Length Headers on the Sti though.
Try taking both a wrx and an sti to an autocross day and tell me the Sti isn’t worth it. Driving around your neighborhood with your backpack in the back seats isn’t a review.
Anthony Carlino that’s the thing, not everyone does autocross.
Anthony Carlino literally half the video is them talking about how the WRX is a good daily driver for people who want some performance; not every sports car needs to be a Ferrari killer out on the track
Fake Name lul an sti isn’t much of a Ferrari killer
Any simple mods and the wrx would be beating the sti by a lot
I’ve taken my WRX to many autocrosses. My WRX does VERY well against STI’s and EVO’s. Check it out on my channel. 😉