The irony is, this movie freaked me out enough as a young kid with all the violence that was left intact in the R-rated version. I wouldn't have considered this extended scene any more horrifying than every other violent moment in the film, so what does the MPAA really accomplish by telling filmmakers where they need to draw an arbitrary line?
This version of the scene is more satisfying than the theatrical version of the scene, because I really despised the villains in this movie, it is also more realistic since there is no piton gun that holds multiple pitons like that.
Having rewatched the movie recently, the way this scene is shot in the original cut is way better from a filming standpoint and a character standpoint. First, it shows that Hal didn't just come out of nowhere, he actually found Gabe and helped save him, which is a HUGE moment for his character given the fact that he still blamed Gabe for Sarah's death at the beginning of the film. Second, there's no way Gabe had more than one round in that harpoon gun or was able to reload that quickly (my guess is the studio wanted Stallone to get the kill here). And third, it shows why in the theatrical cut that Hal looks like he was taking aim with the shotgun when he's revealed to be in the area.
Considering this is called Die Hard on a mountain sometimes, the scene is similar ( apart from the setting) to the old scene " where are you going pal, no more table, the next time you get a chance to kill a man, don't hesitate "
C’mon man, if your going to quote die hard you have to do it right. “You are done now, no more table. Where are you going pal? Next time you have a chance to kill someone, don’t hesitate.”
The temperature of that water under the ice was obviously something in the subzero range, therefore this scene was one of the most unrealistic parts of Cliffhanger. Gabe was in that bitterly freezing cold water for like two minutes aside from coming up once for air. In reality, if he had fallen through ice into that extremely freezing cold water for only about twenty-five to thirty seconds, he would have succumbed to hypothermia and have been dead. Then in the following scene after Hal pulls him out of the water, his hair is immediately dry and his condition is perfectly normal. An average person would not survive in bitterly freezing subzero temperature water for two minutes. At maximum, if someone was to fall through ice into water like that for about twelve to fifteen seconds and get rescued, it would take them a long time to have their condition thoroughly restored back to normal. They would be uncontrollably shaky with serious chills and it would still take a while for their body temperature to get back its regular setting. ~Dutch
YouCantHoldOnTooLong THANK YOU!!! I was thinking the same thing. When he took his shirt off I was like, “Umm... Isn’t it like below freezing and he’s under water? In a frozen lake??!!” But oh well, creative liberties, I guess lol
@@robertgarcia7024 Of course I am! I actually saw this movie at a theater in my hometown of Missoula Montana back in 1993 when I was fourteen years old. I am a tremendous fan of Sylvester Stallone in general, but since Cliffhanger was far too unrealistic like this hokey scene here, I don't like this movie. I've seen numerous action movies from the eighties and nineties! For example, 1. Cobra 2. Lock Up 3. Nighthawks 4. First Blood 5. Tango And Cash (For Sylvester Stallone films) 1. Commando 2. The Running Man 3. True Lies 4. Predator 5. The Last Action Hero (For Arnold Schwarzenegger films) Then for random action movies from eighties and nineties, I've seen 1. Road House 2. Bad Boys (1983) 3. The Karate Kid (1984) 4. Robocop 5. Stone Cold 6. Young Guns 7. Speed 8. Bloodsport etc. See? I'm familiar with movies from those two decades. ~Dutch
@Milos Miletic Because dude, if people are going to make movies, they have to make sure that certain things which happen are true to life! Otherwise, it's unrealistic and lacking seriousness. Nobody would survive being immersed in bitterly freezing cold subzero temperature water for two whole minutes! Gabe would have been dead in nearly twenty-five seconds if this was for real! ~Dutch
It’s a shame this never got an extended, unrated or director’s cut like RoboCop did with its extended or trimmed scenes that were cut to get an R-Rating.
Way interesting! Had no idea Tucker (Michael Rooker) killed him with the shotgun in the alternate cut. I prefer this over the R rated version, it's more realistic and suspenseful. I also always wondered why he had so many holes in him going down under the ice from just a nail gun XD. Great upload from a classic 90's action flick I grew up with! Thank you :D
pred8955 Nope, again, this one was a directorial choice, not censorship. I had the good fortune to speak to Rex Linn (who played Travers) and this is covered in the documentary I made. Some of the other violence in the film was indeed cut for an R, but Travers' death is not one of those instances.
Anyone ever notice the inconsistency where, after the crew commanders the helicopter, Crystal tells the crew, "there's not enough fuel to search around, just enough to get us down", yet Qualen is doing quite a bit of searching around and flying around after this point?
If it wasn't for this extended footage, I still would have been convinced that Gabe shot Travers three times like it was edited to look like. Now I realize he only shot Travers once while under water and eventually Hal arrived and blew Travers away with three bullets. However, speaking realistically, this scene was absolutely hokey. Look at how long Gabe was under ice for! In freezing cold subzero temperature water, he would have already suffered hypothermia in less than one minute and have been dead. Plus after Hal pulled him out of the water, in the next scene Gabe's hair was dry and his condition was perfectly normal. If an average person was to fall into freezing cold water for possibly about fifteen seconds or so and was rescued, their condition would obviously be very shaky with serious chills. There were actually quite a few other scenes from this movie which also were completely phony. ~Dutch
Ha! Recently rewatched this flick….. one of my all time favorites…. But as a grown up…. It’s humorous how scenes switch from actual locations to super artificial looking sets….
I knew this scene was twisted around in the final cut. It only shows walker shooting traverse and him falling in then cuts to tucker standing there. I figure maybe they both were shooting him at the same time after seeing tuckers presence. Big mistake not letting this in the final cut
I can remember back in 1994 watching this great action flick for the 1st time on Sky TV (UK) with this extended death scene in it!! How Sky TV managed to get hold of this version at the time beats me!!?? (but fantastic/cool also 😎👍, it was cut by the MPAA...) I like/prefer this extended scene, much more graphic, intense and awesome to see bad guy Agent Travis meet his end!! Shame its not on the current dvd/bluray releases!!
I can't believe that they killed Travers! Travers was a very nice man! Travers loved and cared for all of his friends very dearly. I got believe that such a kind, caring man got shot!
They should have left this in, it would have made so much more sense in terms of continuity & Hal killing Travis to save Gabe was a turning point in their broken friendship & getting back on terms. But no, just give the kill to Stallone, cos he's the big shot n' all that. Hal's appearance was just convenient.
What is going on here - this pred just videod scenes from the ordinary Cliffhanger and made them seem videod. You lot. Get a frigging grip. All of these scenes are in the real R rated Cliffhanger. This guy is not even a fucking joke.
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Never should have changed it. It’s better with Hal killing Travers.
The irony is, this movie freaked me out enough as a young kid with all the violence that was left intact in the R-rated version. I wouldn't have considered this extended scene any more horrifying than every other violent moment in the film, so what does the MPAA really accomplish by telling filmmakers where they need to draw an arbitrary line?
This version of the scene is more satisfying than the theatrical version of the scene, because I really despised the villains in this movie, it is also more realistic since there is no piton gun that holds multiple pitons like that.
Having rewatched the movie recently, the way this scene is shot in the original cut is way better from a filming standpoint and a character standpoint. First, it shows that Hal didn't just come out of nowhere, he actually found Gabe and helped save him, which is a HUGE moment for his character given the fact that he still blamed Gabe for Sarah's death at the beginning of the film. Second, there's no way Gabe had more than one round in that harpoon gun or was able to reload that quickly (my guess is the studio wanted Stallone to get the kill here). And third, it shows why in the theatrical cut that Hal looks like he was taking aim with the shotgun when he's revealed to be in the area.
When I saw this on initial release I had trouble believing Gabe could get a handgun to work underwater anyway. But that's Hollywood...
I always had a feeling Hal helped Gabe shoot him too I'm glad I was right
Your mom's Hal.
Considering this is called Die Hard on a mountain sometimes, the scene is similar ( apart from the setting) to the old scene " where are you going pal, no more table, the next time you get a chance to kill a man, don't hesitate "
Exactly what I was thinking
@@bab2thebone1 thanks for the advice
C’mon man, if your going to quote die hard you have to do it right.
“You are done now, no more table. Where are you going pal? Next time you have a chance to kill someone, don’t hesitate.”
@@geeebuttersnap2433 next time you have a chance to correct someone, don't hesitate
@@starwarsroo2448 I am ashamed.
Sly is superhuman. Cold water and he didn't freeze.
Because he was in Vietnam. It was explained in the First Blood.
The temperature of that water under the ice was obviously something in the subzero range, therefore this scene was one of the most unrealistic parts of Cliffhanger. Gabe was in that bitterly freezing cold water for like two minutes aside from coming up once for air. In reality, if he had fallen through ice into that extremely freezing cold water for only about twenty-five to thirty seconds, he would have succumbed to hypothermia and have been dead. Then in the following scene after Hal pulls him out of the water, his hair is immediately dry and his condition is perfectly normal. An average person would not survive in bitterly freezing subzero temperature water for two minutes. At maximum, if someone was to fall through ice into water like that for about twelve to fifteen seconds and get rescued, it would take them a long time to have their condition thoroughly restored back to normal. They would be uncontrollably shaky with serious chills and it would still take a while for their body temperature to get back its regular setting.
~Dutch
YouCantHoldOnTooLong THANK YOU!!! I was thinking the same thing. When he took his shirt off I was like, “Umm... Isn’t it like below freezing and he’s under water? In a frozen lake??!!” But oh well, creative liberties, I guess lol
I guess you are not familiar with 80's-90's action movies.
@@robertgarcia7024 Of course I am! I actually saw this movie at a theater in my hometown of Missoula Montana back in 1993 when I was fourteen years old. I am a tremendous fan of Sylvester Stallone in general, but since Cliffhanger was far too unrealistic like this hokey scene here, I don't like this movie. I've seen numerous action movies from the eighties and nineties! For example, 1. Cobra 2. Lock Up 3. Nighthawks 4. First Blood 5. Tango And Cash (For Sylvester Stallone films) 1. Commando 2. The Running Man 3. True Lies 4. Predator 5. The Last Action Hero (For Arnold Schwarzenegger films) Then for random action movies from eighties and nineties, I've seen 1. Road House 2. Bad Boys (1983) 3. The Karate Kid (1984) 4. Robocop 5. Stone Cold 6. Young Guns 7. Speed 8. Bloodsport etc.
See? I'm familiar with movies from those two decades.
~Dutch
@@rossdiamondthief6627 Wet clothing *is* a transmitter of cold
@Milos Miletic Because dude, if people are going to make movies, they have to make sure that certain things which happen are true to life! Otherwise, it's unrealistic and lacking seriousness. Nobody would survive being immersed in bitterly freezing cold subzero temperature water for two whole minutes! Gabe would have been dead in nearly twenty-five seconds if this was for real!
~Dutch
It’s a shame this never got an extended, unrated or director’s cut like RoboCop did with its extended or trimmed scenes that were cut to get an R-Rating.
Way interesting! Had no idea Tucker (Michael Rooker) killed him with the shotgun in the alternate cut. I prefer this over the R rated version, it's more realistic and suspenseful. I also always wondered why he had so many holes in him going down under the ice from just a nail gun XD. Great upload from a classic 90's action flick I grew up with! Thank you :D
Thanks man :) i have more plans in the future to make other extended more bloody scenes from this great movie.
Because Tucker did not kill him in the theatrical cut, it is like a technique of avoiding an R rating than an NC-17.
Esteban Hernandez Not true. Harlin wasn't happy with the scene and reshot it. This is explained in Cutting Edge: Cliffhanger, find it on UA-cam.
GnC Films But it clear that there is nothing new stuf in that scene. Harlin just cut it down to R-Rating view :P
pred8955 Nope, again, this one was a directorial choice, not censorship. I had the good fortune to speak to Rex Linn (who played Travers) and this is covered in the documentary I made. Some of the other violence in the film was indeed cut for an R, but Travers' death is not one of those instances.
Great Job man! A Reconstuction like this have i been looking for ;-)
Mannnn I love this movie, and I had no idea that this footage existed! Thank you that was wicked, I wish they had of left this in the original movie
Great work They should have left it like it was in the work print/ original cut.
If they had enough time to rework the footage rather than what it was on video, it would've stayed in.
Anyone ever notice the inconsistency where, after the crew commanders the helicopter, Crystal tells the crew, "there's not enough fuel to search around, just enough to get us down", yet Qualen is doing quite a bit of searching around and flying around after this point?
Yeah but he runs out of fuel before he can even begin to get to the foot of the mountains.
Your mom's Qualen.
Makes me hope the next Blu-ray will restore the uncut version 📀
If it wasn't for this extended footage, I still would have been convinced that Gabe shot Travers three times like it was edited to look like. Now I realize he only shot Travers once while under water and eventually Hal arrived and blew Travers away with three bullets.
However, speaking realistically, this scene was absolutely hokey. Look at how long Gabe was under ice for! In freezing cold subzero temperature water, he would have already suffered hypothermia in less than one minute and have been dead. Plus after Hal pulled him out of the water, in the next scene Gabe's hair was dry and his condition was perfectly normal. If an average person was to fall into freezing cold water for possibly about fifteen seconds or so and was rescued, their condition would obviously be very shaky with serious chills.
There were actually quite a few other scenes from this movie which also were completely phony.
~Dutch
Look Whim Hoff about ice and cold.
Hes not any old normal man though
Stallone is super human!! 😎👌
Your mom's Travers.
Ha! Recently rewatched this flick….. one of my all time favorites…. But as a grown up…. It’s humorous how scenes switch from actual locations to super artificial looking sets….
I'm feeling this ending more 👌
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Don't understand how that would've been NC-17. Theres way more violent shit in regular R rated movies, even at the time.
Too dark
Guys you can only find uncut scenes of cliffhanger DVD
Looks like he (puts on sunglasses) iced that guy.
No wonder they cut it out, the tape footage can never match a Panavision film camera. ( Joke)
Cool if we got to see the extended X rated death scenes from Total Recall.
I knew this scene was twisted around in the final cut. It only shows walker shooting traverse and him falling in then cuts to tucker standing there. I figure maybe they both were shooting him at the same time after seeing tuckers presence. Big mistake not letting this in the final cut
Wow epic 😊cliffhanger is an awesome movie 🍿
I wonder where they made the scene with the bridge etc. It looks a bit like an artificially-created scene, perhaps indoors.
So funny that the ice is cristal clear sometimes
Geez that water has gotta be ice Fucking Cold, how does stallon not die or instantly suffer hypothermia
Dr. Phil actually makes a terrific Villian.
Your mom's Dr. Phil.
Another extended NC-17 deleted Base Jumpers Scene from Cliffhanger
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ua-cam.com/video/e5Nr8LUMB_8/v-deo.html
They gotta re-release cliffhanger as a director's cut.
I can remember back in 1994 watching this great action flick for the 1st time on Sky TV (UK) with this extended death scene in it!! How Sky TV managed to get hold of this version at the time beats me!!?? (but fantastic/cool also 😎👍, it was cut by the MPAA...) I like/prefer this extended scene, much more graphic, intense and awesome to see bad guy Agent Travis meet his end!! Shame its not on the current dvd/bluray releases!!
wish 2:11 had been kept in, cool to hear the gunshots as he goes down
Good thing the Rocky Mountains have swimming pool water under the ice.
I can't believe that they killed Travers! Travers was a very nice man! Travers loved and cared for all of his friends very dearly. I got believe that such a kind, caring man got shot!
Sammy Reedy lol
I hope that’s an act of sarcasm cause he turn Traitor
He might have been nice if he wasn't stranded on a icy mountain with a team of psychopaths likely planning on murdering him.
@@Leondegrance2 he is not because of ego's
Your mom's Travers.
Much better this way.
how would it have been NC-17 instead of just R ?
Because censors back then were just PUSSIES.
Les meilleurs fims
2:27. BYE BYE!
Now why wasn't this in the orginal movie.
censorship obviously
Sylvester Stallone And Michael Rooker Vs Rex Linn
Your mom's Rex Linn.
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What did he see there that he turned around? 0:20
They should have left this in, it would have made so much more sense in terms of continuity & Hal killing Travis to save Gabe was a turning point in their broken friendship & getting back on terms. But no, just give the kill to Stallone, cos he's the big shot n' all that. Hal's appearance was just convenient.
Film complete svp😢😢😢😢
Jackie Chan rush hour with traverse
Frozen onsen of doom
2:29 Bye Bye!
Where did stallone get the gun after all?
It was the bolt gun he had with him in the movie the whole time.
Justin James
Yeah but Travers took it off him before the first suitcase climb
After the suitcase climb, he made his way to "the old Douglass shaft" and linked up with Jessie, so it's possible she had one.
@Megan Fink No. it is here . ua-cam.com/video/CjpC3ULiYJM/v-deo.html . Kynette had it
So it was Hal the real guy that killed Travers.
A dual effort.
Your mom's Hal.
Hmm The Alter Scene is better. Hal Saving Gabe.
Your mom's Hal.
What is going on here - this pred just videod scenes from the ordinary Cliffhanger and made them seem videod. You lot. Get a frigging grip. All of these scenes are in the real R rated Cliffhanger. This guy is not even a fucking joke.
Never should have changed it. It’s better with Hal killing Travers.
Idon't get it why gabe grapped the legs or ancles of travers and then fall into the lake
To get him
Sylvester Stallone discovered ice swim
Such an unrealistic set. Lighting so poor