I wanna preface and say this video is defo ranting and this is based on MY opinions, and as much as its been entertaining the subject is like beating a dead horse so i wanted to make it still short - turns out it became longer than intended, anyways back to regular video on Monday choo choo!
As a person with a visual impairment and also a healer in things like daily duty content, please don't change a thing. DT is truly a breath of fresh air, and I would hate to go back to how simple EW's content was. EW had 0 repercussions for failing many mechanics back to back, and it made me get bored of healing entirely by the time Smileton came out. If you're rage quitting even during Trusts, where the NPCs show you where to go to avoid mechanics (for the most part), then it's almost certainly a willpower issue.
Every single Dawntrail boss "mechanic" is just a cheap trick, it's not difficult in terms of "the mechanic is X, do X and you will not die", it's difficult as in "you will die, because X is a lie"
Im visually impaired so it takes me a while to get used to dungeons ive done every dawntrail raid and dungeon now gotta keep patient is all as you said
@@Verm1llionz lot of it is audio queues I can see out of one eye averagely well but if the games flashing or there's a lot going on the vision gets all blurry haha people need to realize there's audio queues and visual to rest Is muscle memory
You know, I'm generally the first one to complain when someone tells me to "get good" at a video game but here, it's just... It's not "get good", it's just "learn to play the damn game"
I strangely believe it's a result of bot farmers or something wanting to make things easier, because as you progress in the game and as you play these specific raids, they always give you a clear outline or experience at first on what you're supposed to do. I think bots or scripts are struggling to adapt to a bit of the newer mechanics and therefore players are now complaining about it in a less-than-authentic way. If you get to dawn trail, you are taught the MAJORITY of these mechanics, especially if you reach the end game.
I think the encounter balance is fine. I'm glad that the game is finally done treating us like we still don't know how to play the game. I do think there's some mild criticism of the MSQ pacing to be had though. Not regarding story but, Dawntrail, besides its obligatory dungeons and trials, had, I believe, 4 solo Duties this time around. Going from level 90 to 100 gives almost no actual time to play the job at all, and thus, being level 100 doesn't really mean you're more experienced at the job than you were at 90. Repeat for most expansions starting from... Probably Shadowbringers roughly. The game throws EXP for you and you get little time to practice the copious amounts of levels you get, especially if you're new and just progressing the story asap. Constant first time clears doesn't mesh well with learning a job, but it's doable.
Love the difficulty they are going for. The madlads and ladettes in my fc and me are going for the first extreme atm and I gotta say from all extremes we did so far it has to be my favourite in terms of fun. On the other hand during the first boss of Straysborough Deadwalk and the 4th fight of the current raid tier many people died because of latency related issues and Square really needs to fix those if they want to keep this difficulty up. Dying because you're learning and messing up is fine and fun - randomly dying to a mechanic that you understood and from what you see on screen resolved properly isn't.
The fact that people were already clearing the Ex Trials day 1 that aren't top raid teams says everything you need to know. Now I'm sure once savage and all that comes along it will change but that is the difference between casual and hardcore raiding groups for any game.
If you have a static, or a rotation of people you play with it isn't bad, PUGs though can be an absolute nightmare. I can't tell you how few tanks I see mitigating raid wides, Red mages focusing 100% on dps and ignoring that due to issues both heals are down. Healers who don't know how to use their bubbles. When you run into that the content difficulty spikes through the roof. Hell, I've not once seen a dps be it magic or melee use their mits. You ever see addle or feint on a boss in a PUG. With people who know how to do it, and are in a group with discord it's just a bit meh, but in a pug with the number of people who seem to have forgotten how to play it's a pain some days. Best example I have is M3, I've run it about 4 times now, two for loot, two to help fc mates. Out of those 4, 1 and only 1 has been a good run. Every other time we end up trash talking everyone else in discord as we look at the other tank never throwing anything to mit the damage. Healers who get so focused on heals they miss the mechs, and dps that can't stay alive long enough to spit on. It's less the game is hard, and more people who didn't keep up with the game making it hard as you progressively have to carry more of them as the content gets harder.
Regarding healers, it's partly not their fault. As of Shadowbringers and, more heavily Endwalker, Tanks are capable of doing so much healing not just to themselves, but to their parties as well, that in casual content healers don't ever get pushed to learn their kit. With the trend of just 2 packs per wall, there's never any strain on the healer as a result, and they never have to actually figure out what their buttons do. Throughout most of Endwalker I played Sage, and if I had a Warrior in my party there were very, very many dungeons I didn't push a single heal button besides Kardia unless the tank was super, super bad. This is why you also see first time EX and harder healers having to basically learn their entire job from the ground up because the game never gave them an opportunity to actually learn it as you go. Sure, you could push the buttons, but with the team constantly at full HP, it's impossible to get a feel for just how important those buttons actually are.
Was in raid for 90 mins and the dps couldn’t figure out how to beat the last half of the jaal fight lol I beat as tank 4 times had no idea how to run it to help them it sucked!
I would suggest, that you're missing the point, even while scratching it on the surface: in your way, your right: the game is not as hard as DS or Elden Ring. it is doable and dieing is part of a game with ressurection mechanics. _However_: you already named the problem in your video: its not hard for Players in general, but it is uncomfortable compared to EW. this is fact and its the thing, DT has to be messed with. You might not be unhappy with the changes - but a lot of old ppl are. they were cool with ew's difficulty and dont want to have it harder than that. What is totally fair and okay.
It really isn't an issue. If nobody was clearing it be one thing - but everyone is clearing quiet clearly. So what if you died? So what if majority of people are dying. Just try your best not to do that the next time. You have infinite amount of tries. Specially here in the FF14 community; nobody is gonna shit on you for dying. You just go agane.
I will say that if this person claims the content is as hard as savage content, they've never played savage content. In savage content, you are forced to work as a team and hit mechanics as a team. If someone else messes up, that could get you killed. As for normal difficulty, you are the only one who needs to hit mechanics, and as long as the healers and tanks are alive, you should survive. That's the difference. Normal content you dont really need to coordinate with your party, savage you do.
this is take from non casual about casual content clear as is with most content creators so let first establish what casual player is that player who plays to RELAX and have FUN with CASUAL MINDSET aka LAYBACK that mean they DO NOT PLAY TO BE STRESSED and if dungs have to be difficult or annjoying in MSQ DUNG then it the game issue sorry to say but most casuals aka the ppl msq dung are made for like ew and the way it was while dt made to many mechanics be 2 aoe at once so it confuses ppl and make them focus o nthe aoe over new mechanics + spamming confusing and chaotic mechanic and not everbody sign up . ppl will clear it in time but the time it took them was not fun it was ANNJOYING to do those BAD MECHANICS and if the casual players arent enjoy THEIR CONTENT they will start to leave since their is no point doing msq to know you will go into a dung to suffer for bit . the problem is if casual get annoyed by their content and leave ffxiv will die in 2 expantion (or better put be not even in top 10 ) it wil lface it wow shadowlands phase like they did . just becuase now the hardcore and midcore (causal raiders) are having fun in msq dungs and finding it engaging rather then braindead in ew doesnt mean that before it was not engaging and fun for somebody (casuals) while now it annjoying for most . also we did have hard dung before the answer is yes and they are hate by most player , tower of zol and lv 95 dung arent beloved in ew but most of them are the issue is dt has use it last 2 dung of a expantion and made them a stressful nightmare lv of annjoying for casuals for the FIRST TIME ( it take quiet some time to perfect each mechanics becuase they arent formulaic but totally chaotic.) and if the EASIEST CONTENT I NGAME MAKE PPL STRUGGLE FOR THE FIRST CLEAR that bad since most mmorpg dont do that even ffxiv didnt. also the argument "if most ppl can complete" it i not fine argument since if it wasnt enjoayble to do so then the game will lose ppls intrest . if the echo chamber of social media made ppl think they are the mayority and most ppl loved this change and asked for it they are not they in fact are not even 30% of this playerbase most casual dont talk on forums or even post or make yt videos they just play the game and those that do get attack by this "nice" community .
Hello casual gamer here. I think the issue is we associate casual gaming with 'easy' games and that's a gross generalization and overstatement. Casual gaming is revolved around playing games for fun, social interaction and is usually non competitive. That does not necessarily mean 'easy'. I only agree with your point that as a community people shouldn't be attacking others for having an opinion. You're struggling and that's valid and real for you. FFXIV was never designed to be an 'easy' game. This is an MMO and the content is designed to get you to play with people. Struggling? That's fine, talk to your party members, ask questions or put a dorito on someone you see doing mechs right and stick to them. Yes, MSQ is no longer a walk in the park, but it wasn't ever supposed to be that way in the first place. Normal raids are just that, RAIDS. It's designed to challenge the players. Again, you're struggling and it sucks and that's real for you I get it, but to say that FFXIV is supposed to be laidback I believe misses the mark of what the game is supposed to be.
As an extreme casual of FFXIV. I've played since ARR on the PS3. Stopped when I got to end game. Came back at Stormblood. Lost my old account so bought a BLM on the Mog Station. Played towards the end of SB and into the beginning of ShB. Stopped once I reached end game content and came back for EW. Didn't like EW, so I stopped half ways through. Came back towards the beginning of DT and bought my way into DT, via the MogStation. Played all the way through DT and have all my crafter/gatherers maxed with only 1 level 100 DPS. The content is definitely not hard. It's more difficult then the brain dead content before, but it doesn't mean it's difficult. I had a blast and feel engaged. Just because you know how to play a game, doesn't mean you're good at a game. Stop being lazy
@@Verm1llionz Thank you! I'm just tired of people being lazy smh. I can't catch onto visual cues for the life of me, but you know what I do? I stick to someone that does and that's how I survive compared to most "seasoned" players.
I am not a Extreme / Savage player. I mean I can do an extreme but that might be a bit later in the expansion. But I think that the first normal raid, especially fight 3 Is really hard. We even did joke after our think 5th wipe that we stumbled into Savage early. But that was the joke, it was really hard but it was really good as far as I am concerned. I dont think its "to difficult" but one would be denying that Alexandria and the Normal raids ( especially fight 3) are harder than the rest of the content. But its not impossible or even "game breaking" hard. Its just a bit tougher, that is it. And I loved it.
It isn't hard...it is TEDIOUS. Nothing in ffxiv is hard, not even savage/extremes. With enough repetition, it is all easy. However, to get there, you need to repeat those same tedious fights over & over again. Why anyone enjoys that, is beyond rational thought. Conclusion, most ffxiv players have mental issues/problems. Please stop wasting your time with this game & seek medical help.
"With enough repetition, it is all easy." you mean like with everything? stop trying to sound profound. You need medical help thinking your intelligent. Delusional.
Different people enjoy different things. What some find tedious, others find enjoyable. Some people like to overcome a challenge while others prefer to passively experience a story. It's okay to not like something but don't be a dick about it. It has nothing to do with mental health. It is not good to make light of mental health issues. When you do that, you make it harder for those who are actually suffering to get the help they need.
I wanna preface and say this video is defo ranting and this is based on MY opinions, and as much as its been entertaining the subject is like beating a dead horse so i wanted to make it still short - turns out it became longer than intended, anyways back to regular video on Monday choo choo!
You know. You can use trusts and not do anything except move your character and still clear. Trust me, I tested it.
As a person with a visual impairment and also a healer in things like daily duty content, please don't change a thing. DT is truly a breath of fresh air, and I would hate to go back to how simple EW's content was. EW had 0 repercussions for failing many mechanics back to back, and it made me get bored of healing entirely by the time Smileton came out.
If you're rage quitting even during Trusts, where the NPCs show you where to go to avoid mechanics (for the most part), then it's almost certainly a willpower issue.
Every single Dawntrail boss "mechanic" is just a cheap trick, it's not difficult in terms of "the mechanic is X, do X and you will not die", it's difficult as in "you will die, because X is a lie"
Im visually impaired so it takes me a while to get used to dungeons ive done every dawntrail raid and dungeon now gotta keep patient is all as you said
Big respect to you man, that's some gigachad energy
@@Verm1llionz lot of it is audio queues I can see out of one eye averagely well but if the games flashing or there's a lot going on the vision gets all blurry haha people need to realize there's audio queues and visual to rest Is muscle memory
You know, I'm generally the first one to complain when someone tells me to "get good" at a video game but here, it's just... It's not "get good", it's just "learn to play the damn game"
This 100000000%
get fkin good.
I strangely believe it's a result of bot farmers or something wanting to make things easier, because as you progress in the game and as you play these specific raids, they always give you a clear outline or experience at first on what you're supposed to do. I think bots or scripts are struggling to adapt to a bit of the newer mechanics and therefore players are now complaining about it in a less-than-authentic way. If you get to dawn trail, you are taught the MAJORITY of these mechanics, especially if you reach the end game.
I think the encounter balance is fine. I'm glad that the game is finally done treating us like we still don't know how to play the game. I do think there's some mild criticism of the MSQ pacing to be had though. Not regarding story but, Dawntrail, besides its obligatory dungeons and trials, had, I believe, 4 solo Duties this time around. Going from level 90 to 100 gives almost no actual time to play the job at all, and thus, being level 100 doesn't really mean you're more experienced at the job than you were at 90. Repeat for most expansions starting from... Probably Shadowbringers roughly. The game throws EXP for you and you get little time to practice the copious amounts of levels you get, especially if you're new and just progressing the story asap. Constant first time clears doesn't mesh well with learning a job, but it's doable.
Love the difficulty they are going for. The madlads and ladettes in my fc and me are going for the first extreme atm and I gotta say from all extremes we did so far it has to be my favourite in terms of fun. On the other hand during the first boss of Straysborough Deadwalk and the 4th fight of the current raid tier many people died because of latency related issues and Square really needs to fix those if they want to keep this difficulty up. Dying because you're learning and messing up is fine and fun - randomly dying to a mechanic that you understood and from what you see on screen resolved properly isn't.
Agreed to 1000% the games spaghetti servers are such a major flaw for overall fight design
The fact that people were already clearing the Ex Trials day 1 that aren't top raid teams says everything you need to know. Now I'm sure once savage and all that comes along it will change but that is the difference between casual and hardcore raiding groups for any game.
If you have a static, or a rotation of people you play with it isn't bad, PUGs though can be an absolute nightmare. I can't tell you how few tanks I see mitigating raid wides, Red mages focusing 100% on dps and ignoring that due to issues both heals are down. Healers who don't know how to use their bubbles. When you run into that the content difficulty spikes through the roof. Hell, I've not once seen a dps be it magic or melee use their mits. You ever see addle or feint on a boss in a PUG. With people who know how to do it, and are in a group with discord it's just a bit meh, but in a pug with the number of people who seem to have forgotten how to play it's a pain some days.
Best example I have is M3, I've run it about 4 times now, two for loot, two to help fc mates. Out of those 4, 1 and only 1 has been a good run. Every other time we end up trash talking everyone else in discord as we look at the other tank never throwing anything to mit the damage. Healers who get so focused on heals they miss the mechs, and dps that can't stay alive long enough to spit on. It's less the game is hard, and more people who didn't keep up with the game making it hard as you progressively have to carry more of them as the content gets harder.
Regarding healers, it's partly not their fault. As of Shadowbringers and, more heavily Endwalker, Tanks are capable of doing so much healing not just to themselves, but to their parties as well, that in casual content healers don't ever get pushed to learn their kit. With the trend of just 2 packs per wall, there's never any strain on the healer as a result, and they never have to actually figure out what their buttons do. Throughout most of Endwalker I played Sage, and if I had a Warrior in my party there were very, very many dungeons I didn't push a single heal button besides Kardia unless the tank was super, super bad. This is why you also see first time EX and harder healers having to basically learn their entire job from the ground up because the game never gave them an opportunity to actually learn it as you go. Sure, you could push the buttons, but with the team constantly at full HP, it's impossible to get a feel for just how important those buttons actually are.
Was in raid for 90 mins and the dps couldn’t figure out how to beat the last half of the jaal fight lol I beat as tank 4 times had no idea how to run it to help them it sucked!
I would suggest, that you're missing the point, even while scratching it on the surface: in your way, your right: the game is not as hard as DS or Elden Ring. it is doable and dieing is part of a game with ressurection mechanics.
_However_: you already named the problem in your video: its not hard for Players in general, but it is uncomfortable compared to EW. this is fact and its the thing, DT has to be messed with. You might not be unhappy with the changes - but a lot of old ppl are. they were cool with ew's difficulty and dont want to have it harder than that. What is totally fair and okay.
It really isn't an issue. If nobody was clearing it be one thing - but everyone is clearing quiet clearly.
So what if you died? So what if majority of people are dying. Just try your best not to do that the next time.
You have infinite amount of tries. Specially here in the FF14 community; nobody is gonna shit on you for dying. You just go agane.
I will say that if this person claims the content is as hard as savage content, they've never played savage content. In savage content, you are forced to work as a team and hit mechanics as a team. If someone else messes up, that could get you killed. As for normal difficulty, you are the only one who needs to hit mechanics, and as long as the healers and tanks are alive, you should survive. That's the difference. Normal content you dont really need to coordinate with your party, savage you do.
People are saying Dawntrail is hard?
idk know the 2nd trial kicked my ass lol
this is take from non casual about casual content clear as is with most content creators so let first establish what casual player is that player who plays to RELAX and have FUN with CASUAL MINDSET aka LAYBACK that mean they DO NOT PLAY TO BE STRESSED and if dungs have to be difficult or annjoying in MSQ DUNG then it the game issue sorry to say but most casuals aka the ppl msq dung are made for like ew and the way it was while dt made to many mechanics be 2 aoe at once so it confuses ppl and make them focus o nthe aoe over new mechanics + spamming confusing and chaotic mechanic and not everbody sign up . ppl will clear it in time but the time it took them was not fun it was ANNJOYING to do those BAD MECHANICS and if the casual players arent enjoy THEIR CONTENT they will start to leave since their is no point doing msq to know you will go into a dung to suffer for bit . the problem is if casual get annoyed by their content and leave ffxiv will die in 2 expantion (or better put be not even in top 10 ) it wil lface it wow shadowlands phase like they did . just becuase now the hardcore and midcore (causal raiders) are having fun in msq dungs and finding it engaging rather then braindead in ew doesnt mean that before it was not engaging and fun for somebody (casuals) while now it annjoying for most . also we did have hard dung before the answer is yes and they are hate by most player , tower of zol and lv 95 dung arent beloved in ew but most of them are the issue is dt has use it last 2 dung of a expantion and made them a stressful nightmare lv of annjoying for casuals for the FIRST TIME ( it take quiet some time to perfect each mechanics becuase they arent formulaic but totally chaotic.) and if the EASIEST CONTENT I NGAME MAKE PPL STRUGGLE FOR THE FIRST CLEAR that bad since most mmorpg dont do that even ffxiv didnt. also the argument "if most ppl can complete" it i not fine argument since if it wasnt enjoayble to do so then the game will lose ppls intrest . if the echo chamber of social media made ppl think they are the mayority and most ppl loved this change and asked for it they are not they in fact are not even 30% of this playerbase most casual dont talk on forums or even post or make yt videos they just play the game and those that do get attack by this "nice" community .
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@@TGZero nice arguement sorry my grammar sucks mr .
@@anteprs7908 And your spelling. Don't forget your spelling. =)
Hello casual gamer here. I think the issue is we associate casual gaming with 'easy' games and that's a gross generalization and overstatement. Casual gaming is revolved around playing games for fun, social interaction and is usually non competitive. That does not necessarily mean 'easy'.
I only agree with your point that as a community people shouldn't be attacking others for having an opinion.
You're struggling and that's valid and real for you.
FFXIV was never designed to be an 'easy' game. This is an MMO and the content is designed to get you to play with people. Struggling? That's fine, talk to your party members, ask questions or put a dorito on someone you see doing mechs right and stick to them.
Yes, MSQ is no longer a walk in the park, but it wasn't ever supposed to be that way in the first place. Normal raids are just that, RAIDS. It's designed to challenge the players.
Again, you're struggling and it sucks and that's real for you I get it, but to say that FFXIV is supposed to be laidback I believe misses the mark of what the game is supposed to be.
@@gavi_brb5345 Finally, somebody who speaks proper English, who also made a good point.
As an extreme casual of FFXIV. I've played since ARR on the PS3. Stopped when I got to end game. Came back at Stormblood. Lost my old account so bought a BLM on the Mog Station. Played towards the end of SB and into the beginning of ShB. Stopped once I reached end game content and came back for EW. Didn't like EW, so I stopped half ways through. Came back towards the beginning of DT and bought my way into DT, via the MogStation. Played all the way through DT and have all my crafter/gatherers maxed with only 1 level 100 DPS. The content is definitely not hard. It's more difficult then the brain dead content before, but it doesn't mean it's difficult. I had a blast and feel engaged. Just because you know how to play a game, doesn't mean you're good at a game. Stop being lazy
Extremely based take, welcome back to the game man!
@@Verm1llionz Thank you! I'm just tired of people being lazy smh. I can't catch onto visual cues for the life of me, but you know what I do? I stick to someone that does and that's how I survive compared to most "seasoned" players.
@@negainferno6121 Adapt and survive, basic instincts, frightening how many are lacking that capability
I am not a Extreme / Savage player.
I mean I can do an extreme but that might be a bit later in the expansion. But I think that the first normal raid, especially fight 3
Is really hard.
We even did joke after our think 5th wipe that we stumbled into Savage early. But that was the joke, it was really hard but it was really good as far as I am concerned.
I dont think its "to difficult" but one would be denying that Alexandria and the Normal raids ( especially fight 3) are harder than the rest of the content. But its not impossible or even "game breaking" hard.
Its just a bit tougher, that is it. And I loved it.
Lmao Dark souls and Elden ring...are these people evne playing the same game as us?
These forum posts are my downtime entertainment ngl
this is the most "git gud" situation I've ever seen. This game is easy as shit barring ultimate.
Careful, you might make someone cry 😂 (Insanely based tho)
You don't even have to be good. You just have to put in a little bit of effort.
People still trying to make content off this BS?
It's not to hard. It's just a little bit tedious.
It isn't hard...it is TEDIOUS. Nothing in ffxiv is hard, not even savage/extremes. With enough repetition, it is all easy. However, to get there, you need to repeat those same tedious fights over & over again. Why anyone enjoys that, is beyond rational thought. Conclusion, most ffxiv players have mental issues/problems. Please stop wasting your time with this game & seek medical help.
"With enough repetition, it is all easy."
you mean like with everything? stop trying to sound profound. You need medical help thinking your intelligent. Delusional.
Different people enjoy different things. What some find tedious, others find enjoyable. Some people like to overcome a challenge while others prefer to passively experience a story. It's okay to not like something but don't be a dick about it.
It has nothing to do with mental health. It is not good to make light of mental health issues. When you do that, you make it harder for those who are actually suffering to get the help they need.