Why Are Deleted Nudes Reappearing on iOS?
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The 17.5 update for iOS has caused a strange bug that can result in long-deleted images winding up in users’ albums as recent photos. This has included nudes and other sensitive images.
Update: Apple has fixed the problem in their most recent update - www.theverge.com/2024/5/20/24...
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IOS 17.5: “Today we’re gonna do an unboxing”
😂
???
“Of your past”
apple telling you not to sell your device as used/second hand because they aren't making money 😂
That's what I was thinking.
Wow, so clever. 🙄
They used to send trade ins back to china to be destroyed until they found out the recyclers was reselling phones that still worked fine.
That's diabolical if true. Either that or Apple HQ looks like that SpongeBob meme rn.
Weird that my comment was deleted... Bloomberg reported Apple was shipping traded in product to China to be destroyed but instead the recycler was reselling them 2nd hand.
People should know by now "the cloud" means someone else's computer. Store your intimate photos locally...
I'm not sure apple give you the choice. Even if they say they do. Those photos were only supposed to be retrievable for a month before being perm deleted.
The Woz is a minor personal hero of mine, but I wouldn't trust Apple any farther than I could throw their entire company.
When you "buy" and Apple product it stays 99.9% under their control. NOT yours.
Do Google Photos or Apple Photos have an option for 'Do Not Sync' you can tick on a folder or something? I haven't looked deeply enough.
@@WhiteG60I know that Google does.. only because I'm occasionally annoyed when a photo wanted saved was not backed up..
@@WhiteG60 Do you honestly think either wouldn't snoop anyways? Someone took a photo of their toddlers diaper rash to their pediatrician (first kid panics the parents over everything) and someone, one of those two I believe, notified the authorities and created a mess these people didn't need. I suspect it was apple because they already said they would be scanning photo's to see if they had the same hash as known 'bad' photo's.
The Woz is a hero of mine, but I wouldn't buy anything apple.
absolutely. ppl just think that the cloud is some magical thing that does not need a computer. ironic.
"The internet is forever" is applicable to more things than people think.
This is a large reason why I have, for a long time, advocated not taking, storing, or sending spicy photos on phones. Ideally, this wouldn't be an issue, and data security is respected, but we don't live in that world.
gotta be some partner who's gonna hook up their camera to remote tethering on their PC and send straight to signal. Like damn.
How would you send spicy photos then? Not even the mail is safe from tampering or human error 😂
@@Killswitchfan11 polaroid and snail mail, i think the dedication would be appreciated way more.
I use watercolor paint on canvass.
@@zickbone Snail mail can be stolen or lost tho
Gotta personally hand it over to the person
Linus: "We are in a very open relationship"
Luke: "This means something different today"
Hard R Linus strikes again.
Wear-leveling for Nand creates a lot more data over-writing than you'd expect, so the idea that old photos are being "undeleted" is pretty unrealistic for anything that's been deleted for more than 1-2 months.
Point is they don't delete the files from their filesystem when you delete them from your end, they keep everything
The "filesystem" you see and what it's actually like at the backend is probably pretty different
Yeah it's probably some kind of cloud sync thing
Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make by pointing out how SSDs work... That it's unlikely to be "undeleting" the photos, so it must be restoring them from iCloud.
Yeah but then how come the last person had their photos restored without iCloud sync enabled?
I’m not saying you’re wrong but what else could’ve happened then? If the photos aren’t even in the cloud to begin with
@@liamsz Maybe Apple is still uploading photos to their servers even when sync is turned off? Wouldn't that be a hoot?
2:40 I remember hearing that someone saw some old "deleted" photos from 2010 showed up again, and they were from a device that was no longer working, so I don't think it's an issue where it gets synced from another device, rather than iCloud not actually deleting stuff when you tell it to.
Didn't Rossman already explain that its probably that iCloud stores data on multiple servers, and just maybe one of many had something wrongly configured and didn't actually delete stuff like it should? Thou this kinda doesn't explain why the data comes back after OS upgrade, at least as long as some code around handling iCloud didn't change in that OS update and forced like re-creating of a list of files on iCloud servers and then syncking them up with the upgraded device - and the fucked up servers that didn't delete files happily told they have all and boom magically even 14 years old photos came back to life.
Either way its kinda scary that such an old files can be out there still stored, that such server issues were not checked for decades. Thanks God I don't touch any cloud services myself ;).
The cloud doesn't exist. Remember, your data is stored in the balls.
Tim Apple: get your friend a new iPhone
It's not about having something to hide it's about having nothing to show
this could lit break up marriages / couples... think if its a new couple then they find photos of exes at the top of your roll or worse a couple that mad up after cheating happened then photos just pop up of the other person like ouch
There is a non-zero chance someone killed themselves over this for your reasons given
honestly thats their bad for trusting apple..
but seriously. nah that would be on your SO then they are just shit at understanding. my so. i share my phone with a lot cuz i got nothing to hide.
I know quite a lot of Apple users don't really understand how the whole ecosystem works. I can imagine them saying they've wiped their device and on-sold it when they've only really deleted photos/email etc off the local device rather than actually a factory reset wipe.
Why would this pop up now though amongst many users
No the real issue is that there are multiple options for how you want to "wipe your device", with none of them being clear indicators. Have done a couple iPhone swaps in the past and recently, and I'm always amazed at how they make a simple system so cryptic regarding the action you're about to take. Most people probably select the wrong type of "wipe" and are never the wiser, because the process isn't clearly described and when a button says "wipe iPhone" you expect it to get wiped. Not just part of it, but all.
@@Real_MisterSir Interesting. I've never owned an iphone. That does seem extremely weird behaviour to have multiple wipe options.
Linus, the word you're looking for is "transparent"
Also worth knowing: the default order in Apple Photos isn’t reverse chronological. If you AirDropped old photos with old metadata from another device, it will just tack them on the end until you tell it not to.
5:50
Just because the transfer is end-to-end encrypted, doesn't mean the storage at the data center or the devices ID are.
The whole point of end to end means that nowhere in between it can be read, if your "ends" is your phone and another phone, then it's safe to be stored as it cannot be decrypted, if it's your phone to the server, then that's just a fancy way of calling Https lol
I reckon there was a bug in an earlier iOS that removed them from the photos library but left them on the phone without being indexed and possibly decrypted. It was only until this latest iOS that certain actions would cause it to find these unindexed files and bring them back into the photos app. The file wasn’t even deleted as such it’s just that it wasn’t visible on a closed operating system. Although it doesn’t explain why a reformat / reset didn’t clear it.
Yeh they addressed this, perhaps today i only got the notifcation for a software update 7 hours ago. The patch notes say this:
This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue where photos that experienced database corruption could reappear in the Photos library even if they were deleted.
iPhones used to have a folder in the photos section that showed what photos were in the cloud. For some reason (probably nefarious) they did away with that years ago.
Yeah that’s quite annoying
You mean fotostream? Or something else?
not really nefarious.
Most apple users are kinda dumb and don't keep track of how much storage they're using. It's a way of streamlining their storage with the cloud because most of them would leave their phones at full storage.
@@tjadejoh it was a folder under photos labeled iCloud.
@@DavidDavis311 o strange. Now it just back ups everything right
having Apple ad on this video is peak humor
This is simple. The phone knows where the photos are and where they aren't, so it follows that if we subtract where the photos are from where they aren't (or the other way around (whichever is greatest)) we can find a deviation and determine where the photo will be.
The missile knows where it is...
@@reubenvanderkodde5789 Certainly.
And this is why I like to use phones with microSD card slots for as long as I can... Not because of compromising photos, but because I don't want all my information stored on someone else's computer, not to mention storage expansion payments.
Same here! Living the 1TB MicroSD dream. And likewise not due to intimate imagery.
@@LindonSlaght Just be sure to always have a backup on some other media too, MicroSD storage is not too reliable. It takes just one bad crash of a system to corrupt it so bad that you will suffer data loss (been there, done that).
@@Cinkodacs This has thus far not been my experience, nonetheless, my DCIM folder is bacled up in 3 other places. Recuva is life saving software :D
_niiiice_
time to dig up the cellphone graveyard
This is an iCloud / Apple Sync. Same happens to iMessage conversations. You delete a text conversation, then empty the Messages trash bin. If two months later you erase an iphone (A fresh start, not a restore). If you use the same Account and enable iMessage. There is a big chance that conversation will sync back down. Even if other iDevices sync'd AT THE TIME and removed the conversation.
Apple has a convoluted backend Cloud Storage. Where things that are "Sync'd" aren't excatly. There is a random delay before that data never syncs back down.
i had this with my pc....
windows thought it was funny to backup 2016 nude pics of my ex. and went: arent you glad????
my so thought it was funny thank god. cuz they where marked 2016
S/O: "Are you cheating on me??"
you: "Noo baby, iphone restored 4 year old photos" 😏
17.4 nerfed the filesystem somehow causing photos and files to just disappear (become inaccessible). This happened when the iOS crashed and restarted before photos or files were synced to icloud.
I had lost some photos of my engagement to this bug as I had updated to 17.4 that morning.
17.5 in trying to recover these files has also recovered deleted files. No icloud or data privacy shenanigans. All local, just file system.
The recovered/resurfaced photos came back to their correct position in Camera Roll, not as most recent.
The wiped phone sold to friend guy probably only signed out of icloud and not actually erased it.
Best comment on this! This seems to be exactly what is going on!
And this is why I backup to my OWN home cloud. The moment you put something on a public cloud, its no longer yours , its their data. You have 0 control on what its happening to it.
People should finaly realize that you need to have your own NAS. Almost everybody is making small ones (2-4 bays for the average user are enaugh). Keep your data at home.
and you think apple care about your privacy? lol bruh
Despite the NAND flash theoretically requiring the controller information to restore a file, is it not possible that the very first time you write to a NAND flash, it will store files in a predictable order? Not everyone uses their devices as heavily as content creators. If all the photos you have ever taken would still fit in the memory your phone has, isn't it possible they're all still in order on your NAND flash in some way that a too-zealous recovery program might be able to find?
not shock most big tech corpos dont actual delete files they just flag is as deleted and wont display, remember those delete my data button on some privacy stuff its like that never deleted they say its deleted
also would be a good way to slowly eat away at device's storage capacity over time.
I don't have an iPhone but this is why I always uninstall/disable Google Photos on my devices and occasionally check to make sure no backup options are on
It is probably a indexing issue , NOT an ICloud issue. Indexing issue means: normally a phone keeps all the data on your device indexed. When you delete something this index will get removed and thus the image isn’t shown to you anymore. The image is still physically there though and could be brought back. ICloud doesn’t make sense, if it is device-bound
Any updates since this was live last week?
15:39 so from what little app said in the update, there was some sort of corruption going on and photos that should have been deleted was not. So it sounds like this is on device and not an iCloud issue.
Which explains potentially the user who reset his iPhone and sold it. The photos weren’t deleted and it came back in the memory.
I remember the same thing happening on windows 8.
some deleted photos would appear as a thumbnail on the photos app
very annoying
This has since been fixed in iOS 17.5.1
According to Android Authority, a factory reset on Android doesn't secure erase the data. However, since Android 7 devices have used file based encryption, locking data behind authentication.
how is this related?
its ICLOUD stored... i had the same shit with windows.
bought my new pc. suddenly the pc had photo's of my ex... my so was a little mad. but i showed her the dates where 2016.
and then we found out windows has this thing called cloud storage :(
@@miciso666What you're saying isn't related at all, you're saying you bought a new PC and signed into OneDrive and for some reason were surprised that Windows then showed your data from OneDrive.
This issue is referring to iOS devices that were wiped, the iCloud account from the previous owner no longer on the device, yet photos taken by the precious owner are randomly showing up on the device.
Factory reset might just not be what it seems to be. Had this issue on redmi 9 lately. My bro bought this used phone, it was wiped but still, during "First" /startup configuration it stated that you have to log out of your google account before configuring new one. After factory reset it had the info about linked account.
It could be possible the government might not allow them to delete data until N-months for federal investigations. Thus, they just can't go and "delete data" when the user asks them to.
On the other hand, the file system's index might have been marked as corrupted (or they are migrating it to a new version?) and the update's maintenance/migration procedure might be bringing up "deleted files" that might have been marked as corrupted.
I’m wondering if old backup files are being used to fill in the gaps (that aren’t gaps they were meant to be removed) of things that they think are missing from newer backuped files?
Either way that’s a major bug.
I have noticed that many programs do not delete thumbnails and the thumbnails can come back later being detected as pictures.
How about deleted things still show up on my dead Apple watch after charging it a month later
He just reminded me about the Vision Pro. Whatever happened to it?
I just don’t see what the cloud has to do with, the Device was released and I assume the buddy signed in, the deleted photos and the operating system update are client side. Wipe erase may not secure wipe as good as it supposed to, it’s not like the os restores to factory so the operating system writing files somewhere to keep them later.
I love when Linus calls Luke “brother”
My question is did this actually show up on iCloud or was it old data that hadn't been written over on the drive itself?
Regardless, this is an awful bug. Putting aside nude photos, what if you'd sold the phone and then sensitive things like drivers license photos pop up? It's super common to need to send those to some services
Apple released today(for me at least) a 17.5.1 update whose patch notes state "This update provides important bug fixes and addresses a rare issue were photos that experienced database corruption could appear in the Photos library even if they were deleted" so maybe corruption..? or they just dont know what to allude it to
"rare"
everytime Apple says small percentage or rare it basically means it happens often
The patch notes is specifically outlining a fix for the 17.4 update that corrupted database file pointers and made files inaccessible, not specifically fixing the undeleted photos... but it does show some inner workings that possibly explain why the 17.5 update undeleted photos.
If the iOS 17.4 update corrupted the database file pointers, and they were able to release a fix to restore the file pointers, then they probably aren't forensically reconstructing and "uncorrupting" the file pointer... it's restoring the file pointer from its last known state/backed up state from before the iOS update corrupted it.
The fix insinuates that Apple has the database/file pointers backed up to the cloud at regular intervals, and actually keeps an index of those pointer/database files on hand in the cloud which they can inject at the time of iOS hotfix deployment. The hotfix likely forcibly merges EVERY SINGLE file pointer, and because they've been merged it won't know which ones were deleted anymore, which re-enables the NAND flash controller to access those previously "forgotten" (marked deleted) files.
Apple immediately released a fix for it after only a few days with update 17.5.1
I had this happen to my friend, but here's the thing is that he had photos he deleted like 4-5 years ago (DELETED 4 YEARS AGO) original device is gone, the MacBook NEVER saw those images in ANY way, yet it reappeared on his iPhone 14 Plus (he migrated his data)
I still would not feel comfortable loading sensitive content onto a device without a real file manager. Every PC i've ever used I disable all "hide files" "hide extensions" settings, it's just so frustrating when doing any work with non standard files names anyway.
Interesting thing is I’ve been on the dev beta for sometime and haven’t had this happen so it must be an official release issue
The computational cost of encrypting data is tiny. AES has a stupidly low cost of clock cycles.
In my experience the photos that reappear are an issue on-device. Photos that reappeared for me only reappeared on my iPhone, they didn't show on my other devices (Mac and Apple TV). So I think it is not an iCloud thing, it is more like a device thing where the database glitched and pointers to previously deleted photos were recovered and now the photos show back up because they were never actually overwritten (the norm in most OS'). These photos for me also appeared in the same place in the camera roll as they did previously.
So, like, what does “delete” mean anymore?
I appreciate the lack of a clickbaity thumbnail☺️
I was clickbaited Luke is too hot.🤤
Sound like a treat to me
This is scary and one of the reasons I don't like using online backup that I'm not hosting.
OMG! I'm an Iphone user and I'm seeing deleted pics back in my camera roll!!!
So what I think is happening and would explain the example Linus and Luke gave that the user isn't syncing photo's to iCloud. I wonder if all these images were received or sent via text message. If you're backing up your messages to iCloud and you've deleted the image off your photo's app the image still exists in the message. Under photo's if you click the 3 dots in the top right of the albums select filters and then click all filters there is a toggle under Include shared with you from messages. This will now include photos that only exist in messages and not just your camera roll. So i'm wondering if these pictures exist in a text message somewhere and that is why they are showing up?
I think it's a local storage bug
Apple: "All your files are belong to us."
So this is real? I’ve been seeing some old screenshots I thought I deleted
Are we sure this is from iCloud and not from the internal device storage?
You are still talking about low level storage stuff, but there may be up to 3 layers of "storage" managment (including low level NAND controller): 1) File system: it may be feature of their FS, that it does not propagate deletions to NAND controller so as of storage level is aware data are still to be persisted and FS is in charge what is to be viewed as deleted. 2) what if iPhone app uses some type of VFS/Database? And deletions are done by something like deleted_at = NOW() and displaying data is something like WHERE deleted_at IS NULL; ? As of resetting iPhone, we know that iOS survives this reset, and OS and data are stored on same NAND chips, so it is not NAND wide wipe, it may be just marking stuff as deleted on FS level or dropping and recreating unecrypted partition (dropping partition does not mean deleting data, if you drop and create partition of same FS type and same start-end your data will 100% survive)
iOS 14.2.something has a bug where when something happened and you deleted a photo, 30 days later when they drop out of recently deleted it deleted the library records and fails to delete the actual file.
17.5 comes out and re-indexes those files back in to the library as part of a fix for another issue with the camera
The file was already in iCloud and never left it, but the visibility of it was removed with the delete, just not the file itself. But iCloud is only important if you're syncing between devices, otherwise its just the photos backup as part of the backup system, same enough thing: library being saved with all the data, orphaned and not, inside
Nobody reports the issue because nobody saw the files fail to delete, since they disappeared to the user in every library view
A file can exist and be synced and also be not visible to the user in any UI which Apple choose to offer the user.
And I would lay money on that phone that was sold not being erased. They logged out and the file still gets left behind because there's no index left to it. The next users logs in and the file is still there invisible until 17.5 re-indexed it. So again; logging out of iCloud does not ensure all data from iCloud gets removed. It just doesn't. You have to erase all content.
Jesus imagine you're 12 and one of your parents just got a new iPhone and gave you their old one and then this happens
I know that Dropbox has a "undelete" option, but it does expire.
Advanced Data Security now on, was putting it off for awhile due to frankly, wasn't worth my time -It is now worth my Time.
I wonder if this is related to a recent issue that's been driving me CRAZY where the iPhone (7 iOS 15.6) ALWAYS whines about being out of space and thus can't take any photos or videos despite iPhone Storage saying there is 2.5GB free (and yes, I rebooted the phone but that doesn't work anymore). 🤔 - That said, some people have had this issue on a NEW phone (eg it's being pulled from iCloud since it's a new device).
Missed opportunity to use Barry Wood in the thumbnail
Icloud is not a back up its a syncrinzation service
Dayum
I have some photos i deleted long time ago that i wish i never deleted. Hope it happens to me. Does anyone know how you can increase the chance of this happening?
Imagine buying a second hand iPhone and because this bug a bunch of CP photos from the former owner begins to pop up? Insane!
Because big corp wants your info and "deletes" it when you ask them to.
Whatre you gonna do, walk into their database centers and actually delete it?
Uhm... It was just local photos right? Did I miss something? Because there is quite a big difference between files in the cloud not being removed and files technically not being removed locally (quite standard on any computer) and having a database bug (different from normal pc filesystems tbf) cause them to reappear, especially if they're only recent ones, isn't that weird, and more importantly in the case it's all local it honestly matters very very little.
Even without cloud storage disabled, I think it's more believable to consumers and sceptics that everything in app is tracked by the app provider as long as you use the app. They have incentive to sync EVERYTHING even if you didn't pay for it.
Now thats an interesting bug, photos à la nude in your gallery.
I wonder if it’s some kind of file system level snapshotting. I had a weird incident with my iPod touch back in my late teens. Probably 2013ish. I know it’s not likely related to these recent stories, but after the battery had died and I did a cold boot it was somehow back in time by quite a few months. My browser tabs and messages were from months earlier. When I rebooted the device again it was back to the present. I have no idea what happened but it was freaky. I tried to replicate it and never could. I had never really thought about it until now.
You may have entered a time warp. I suggest getting a doctor to check for cancer in the left side prosterior lobe of your brain. Time warps are relatively safe however they are known to corrupt genetic code from that segment, as it controls our time perception, and needs to be suppressed during time travel.
This is why i use my self hosted nextcloud server
and now there's RECALL
I kinda wanna update. There are some "photos" I've been meaning to recover 👀
I haven't updated my iphone in months but plan to sell it soon, should I just forget it in case the other person updates?
Just update it once the issue is fixed then you're all good I'd think.
This brings out the question of why Apple wiped data off products sent for repair and says it is unrecoverable. When it wasn’t really deleted.
If the device was reset, it didn’t have access the original owners cloud account.
The 17.4 update did it for me. And it was images deleted from 2012-15, several phones ago. I don't pay for iCloud and there is no way suck old stuff shouldn't have been overwritten. Unless it filled iCloud with the old stuff, even deleted first and did nothing else. But that wasn't how that feature worked. It only showed it had the last 100....
unless the photos showing up as new are duplicates of the ones that weren't deleted and were already on my phone.
WTF. Even after wiping? How is this possible???? Isn't there encryption present????
It sounds like it isn't properly removing pointers and they may be stored in the main IOS partitions which aren't wiped when wiping a phone.
This sounds like they turned off some servers whenvthey became not profitable and they turned them back on in search of some other data recently.
They never were gone. It's apple. They are about your privacy...😂 Still the best joke.
It’s local storage. Not iCloud
I tried update ios right after watching this video. So far, nothing happened.
When you upload something to the internet, you no longer control it and it can be used anywhere, anytime. How do people not know this?
when did linux become a apple defender all the time lol
your icloud photos are NOT encrypted unless you have opted to turn on advanced data protection and are ok that apple cannot assist in account recovery for that data
Polaroids & postage people, polaroids & postage! xD
Wiping your phone ≠ resetting the phone from settings.
Always better to use itunes/finder to actually wipe and reinstall the OS on the phone
The Isheep are getting restless...
By the way I have apple stuff too, so I get to say they dropped a pretty nasty ball with this one
when you factory reset your phone, if you don't remove your ACCOUNT first, then that phone is still tied to the old account after being wiped. EVEN IF you use Secure Erase!
a funny and cynical plot twist would be some weirdo apple employee looking into people's private photos and then forgot to delete them.
thats why im from now on encrypting my files when I'm uploading files to the cloud since I am not trusting these big tech corp
Wonder why Samsung has not used it as an ad yet