@@dusk1234567890 It looks like it's been written over with another image/word. Many people would rather have something a little blurry but natural & easily identifiable vs a "sharp" fake/AI double-image. Maybe you're looking at it on a phone, as it clearly looks wrong at even a moderate size.
I made the mistake of buying Titanic UHD "remaster", but never again. No more of Jim Cameron's AI crap. An insult to cinema, history and preservation. Not only that. He's proud, stubborn and won't take criticism. Just the kind of guy you want to have around
@@TheStOne1 If you keep buying releases from studios that do this A.I. junk, it will spread like a virus on other films eventually. You need to start buying from studios that properly restore films like Arrow Video, Vinegar Syndrome, Criterion, Indicator and Kino Lorber. Heck, even Shout Factory would do better as a job and so would Vestron as well as Second Sight and BFI Films. Sad to say, Kino Lorber is starting to get worse and worse every year. But back in the mid 2010s up to 2021, Kino Lorber was pretty good overall.
I'm more offended that he told people to get out of their mom's basement for not liking his 4K transfers. I don't care what he thinks. With his comments like that, it's the equivalent of showing a blatant disregard for the community of not only just physical media collectors but also movie fans as well. One word to put it this way: Sabotaging.
This supposed "remaster" looks ghastly and joins "ALIENS" and "True lies" as some of the biggest blunders in film preservation. Think we can safely assume this has nothing to do with JC wanting his films to look this way, most likely he didn't want to spend the money on a proper restoration because he doesn't care. I will never buy these on 4k until the original negative is handed to companies that actually give a shit, eg. VINEGAR SYNDROME OR ARROW VIDEO
Looks terrible, but not surprising. The remastered Blu-ray is still the best way to watch The Terminator. This new 4K is just the same master, but upscaled using AI crap processing. They could have made a new 4K scan just like most studios do, such as Sony.
I am excited to view this 4K UHD Blu-ray. While it may not be up to the standards of the videophiles and audiophiles, it looks and sounds better than it ever has on home theater. I don’t notice as much of the waxy skin and the over enhancements of other Cameron 4K releases. So perhaps there have been improvements to the “restoration” techniques.
Oof! Another Cameron 2K AI upscaled special, complete with lazy Atmos. Well at least the mono track is there if not anemic. I'll buy this when it hits bargain basement prices.
It's not even the real original mono. It's a mixed bag of the original domestic mono and the international mono depending on the scene. It's like a fan edit basically, not the real thing. It's neither the domestic nor the international mono track, it's both at the same time. No preservation whatsoever on that freesbee.
@@-uc4vfbecause it was originally in mono. It's not a matter of preference, it's a matter of authenticity. And yes, the sounds were changed ever since the 5.1 remix for DVD in the early 2000. Gunshots that sounded very 80s, just like in the "Dirty Harry" movies or 1989 "Batman", were changed for modern ones, and music cues and sound effects were missing in the opening scene and opening credits. Plus the echo of the explosions in the tunnel chase scene were very much muted in the remix. It's clearly not the same experience and definitely not a genuine one with the remixes.
@ I watched this restoration last week and I would buy it to watch over the blu ray if I didn’t already own the latter. It did look very good. In these vids it’s always worse because you’re not using a HDR tv to watch it on your physical disc. In other words, I recommend but the blu ray is pretty decent.
Not good. James Cameron has sold out. And him telling people to get out of their mom's basement will not save his reputation. Sticking with releases from Arrow Video, Vinegar Syndrome, Indicator and Criterion. I'm so finished with James Cameron. So full of nonsense from him. I will not buy any of his upcoming Avatar movies and I am someone who does like his first two Avatar films.
So there's good and bad. When you're not dealing with the text elements - this looks amazing. Way better than the True Lies bs. Obviously this is still strugging with details like "Honda" and some of the computer readouts. There has to be a way to revert to the 4k scan for those elements and retrack them in as needed. I still don't like that this isn't really the original film grain, that there's a midjourney smooth version underneath what I'm seeing. But it's nowhere near as in your face as it was on some of Cameron's other discs. I haven't seen it in motion, but this is mostly passable. Keep in mind there are other kind of restoration errors that go unnoticed all the time. My Blu-Ray of Road Games looks great, but there's a scene near the middle where the grill of a truck is just kinda glitching and is clearly an artifact of either a clone-stamp or trying to use part of one print on another. Not ideal, but not worse than the AI errors on this much more visible restoration
Wait, im confused. Prior to seeing any images or comparisons, the majority of UA-cam reviews that I've seen for this release are praising it, with many putting it down to James Camerons lack of involvement....
Those people made a joke of themselves. I even had a guy who told me this master isn’t using AI and that he could see it because he was a professional photographer or whatever 😂
Whats sad is i've seen better homemade ai upscales than the offical ai upscales from park road. Why do they keep getting hired and don't improve at all?
It’s the diet version, most will guzzle down, but purists don’t want to touch. I guess I am a purist since it left a weird taste in my mouth. Instead of admiring the HDR and additional detail I was distracted by the “airbrushing” of everyone and everything.
HD-Numérique, je n'ai pas bien saisi dans votre article sur cette édition 4K UHD 2024 de Terminator si cette version utilise le scan 4K de 2012 retravaillé ou alors si il s'agit d'un upscale 4K du Bluray 2K de 2012 ?
Clarifions les termes. Un Blu-ray (1080p) n’est jamais "upscalé" en 4K. Ce processus implique plutôt la mise à l’échelle d’une source professionnelle 2K vers une résolution UHD (2160p). À l’époque du Blu-ray, les négatifs originaux avaient été scannés en 4K, suivis d’une restauration complète sur une timeline 2K, laquelle a servi de base pour produire l’édition Blu-ray (1080p). Pour cette nouvelle édition UHD, il est quasiment certain qu’ils ont repris cette source restaurée de l'époque, issue du scan original 4K, pour créer un nouveau master. Et cela inclut "oui" une étape de mise à l’échelle 2K -> 4K à un moment ou un autre. Avec la nuance que tout cela a été couplé aux algorithmes controversés de Park Road pour reconstruire de l'information manquante. Le résultat est bien un nouveau master 2024 officiellement 4K, avec un nouvel étalonnage, des ajustements visuels et une texture 35mm (qui ne ressemble en rien à celle de 2013). Donc ce n’est ni un simple upscale du Blu-ray, ni un réemploi direct du master de 2012. Cela dit, une étape de mise à l’échelle reste évidente dans leur workflow et le scan de départ reste le même.
@@martinddhyj The statement is somewhat misleading. The original 35mm negatives were scanned in 4K in 2012, restored, and fully cleaned within a 2K timeline for the Blu-ray release at that time. In 2024, a new master was indeed created, building on the foundation of the 2012 restoration. You’re right! However, the process likely involved the use of a fresh 4K timeline, incorporating upscaled elements enhanced by Park Road's algorithms, with some new 35mm textures added on top. Furthermore, the grading and the significant contribution of the Wide Color Gamut (WCG) are key factors in the improved look. And it’s very likely that they were developed within this 4K timeline... So, officially, Warner may be marketing this as a new 4K master, but there's no miscommunication here. It’s a 4K master derived from a 4K scan. And, in the end, everyone is right.
And it's a mixed bag of the domestic and international mono mixes depending on the scene, so it's neither and both at the same time. Very weird. I wonder who decided arbitrarily to chose one mix for a scene and the other mix for another scene.
Just like Aliens. There's a line that you cross where sharpness becomes ridiculously too sharp. I know it's 4K, but at times, sharpness is just too sharp
@@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984 Casino is a great 4k disc that manages to properly bring something new to the table with HDR while still looking smooth, filmic & realistic.
For all of these negative comments towards 4k remasters, is falsely justified, cause it’s giving these classic films a new “clear” take! It’s more evident in the 4:06 close up of Sarah Connor’s face! Also, these 4k transfers will be A LOT more appreciated when watched on a large 150”+ home theater projection screens, as opposed to your everyday living room 60” inch lcd tv!
oh... God... the SKYNET tele-signal keeps entering my BRAIN!! I can't... think... properly... must go... along... with every... thing... James Cameron... says or does. Yes, James, I will love... all your movies... especially the 4K... transfers.... please, yes.... of course, anything... you say, James... Cameron... yes...
Just watched the 4k disc and in motion it looks amazing. This is not Aliens plastic faces and should be applauded. I loved it. Never looked better. It took some getting here in the unstoppable progression of AI but they are starting to perfect it. If it were up to me every classic movie on physical media would come with a 35mm untouched option for the purists … but I would still choose this particular upgrade every time. Now if they could just do all six Star Wars movies like this I’d be happy.
@@martinddhyj to be fair you would have to pause the movie and zoom in on small text to even notice. It’s a small price to pay for such a good looking image
You're talking as if there's no other alternative 😭 like, a proper restoration from an actual 4k scan would give you the benefits of detail without ANY price to pay!
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🎵🎶 11:25 - Binaural Audio Examples
That Honda emblem turned into arabic.
They used ai.
Honda emblem remastering destroys the system 😂
How did it destroy it? It’s more clear and readable.
Yep very readable IIOINDA haha
@@dusk1234567890Stop embarrassing yourself.
@@dusk1234567890 It looks like it's been written over with another image/word. Many people would rather have something a little blurry but natural & easily identifiable vs a "sharp" fake/AI double-image.
Maybe you're looking at it on a phone, as it clearly looks wrong at even a moderate size.
@ yeah your. My apologies. I watched it on iPad. On tv it’s like you said.
Amazing comparison. Getting goosebumps with those soundtracks. Great job
Thank you for the most accurate comparisons on the web. You rock!
How did A.I. screw up one of the most recognized logos in the world, Honda? Bleanda.... really?
Eh ben on va garder le bon vieux Blu-ray. Au moins ça nous fera faire des économies.
I made the mistake of buying Titanic UHD "remaster", but never again. No more of Jim Cameron's AI crap. An insult to cinema, history and preservation. Not only that. He's proud, stubborn and won't take criticism. Just the kind of guy you want to have around
Same... I regret buying Titanic on 4K, and that one at least was a real 4K scan unlike this one, but AI destroys the picture anyways.
@@TheStOne1 If you keep buying releases from studios that do this A.I. junk, it will spread like a virus on other films eventually. You need to start buying from studios that properly restore films like Arrow Video, Vinegar Syndrome, Criterion, Indicator and Kino Lorber. Heck, even Shout Factory would do better as a job and so would Vestron as well as Second Sight and BFI Films. Sad to say, Kino Lorber is starting to get worse and worse every year. But back in the mid 2010s up to 2021, Kino Lorber was pretty good overall.
These new James Cameron 4K's look like complete butt ass. This dude should seriously never try to "remaster" another one of his old films again.
I'm more offended that he told people to get out of their mom's basement for not liking his 4K transfers. I don't care what he thinks. With his comments like that, it's the equivalent of showing a blatant disregard for the community of not only just physical media collectors but also movie fans as well. One word to put it this way: Sabotaging.
AI is destroying everything. How ironic that AI destroyed this movie about how AI will destroy the world...
We need more A.I. not less.
Only AI can say that….
01:52 personne n'a vérifié le logo durant la restauration ^^
They used ai.
@umut-27 thanks Captain obvious
@PaulAlois180 i think 20gb and above bluray is enough, i don't need fake 4k.
@@umut-27 Do what you like brother. It's a free country 😉
AI is wreaking havoc these days...
🤣 indeed
This remaster at least perserved some grain! Comparrd to the other cameron releases
1:50 Pauvre logo Honda... 😅
Nasty looking AI ‘details‘.
This supposed "remaster" looks ghastly and joins "ALIENS" and "True lies" as some of the biggest blunders in film preservation. Think we can safely assume this has nothing to do with JC wanting his films to look this way, most likely he didn't want to spend the money on a proper restoration because he doesn't care. I will never buy these on 4k until the original negative is handed to companies that actually give a shit, eg. VINEGAR SYNDROME OR ARROW VIDEO
Looks terrible, but not surprising. The remastered Blu-ray is still the best way to watch The Terminator. This new 4K is just the same master, but upscaled using AI crap processing. They could have made a new 4K scan just like most studios do, such as Sony.
They already have a 4k scan.
Restoration was done in 2k.
Too lazy to go back to the original files.
Lowry Digital did a 4K scan back in 2011. They could redo the postproduction in 4K, but they use the Park Road AI instead. :-(
I am excited to view this 4K UHD Blu-ray.
While it may not be up to the standards of the videophiles and audiophiles, it looks and sounds better than it ever has on home theater. I don’t notice as much of the waxy skin and the over enhancements of other Cameron 4K releases. So perhaps there have been improvements to the “restoration” techniques.
comme l'impression que pour James Carmeron seul l'aspect "sharp" est important dans une "restauration" 4K...
The color correction should be returned to the old one, as it was originally, from 1984, with a blue tint.
Oof! Another Cameron 2K AI upscaled special, complete with lazy Atmos.
Well at least the mono track is there if not anemic. I'll buy this when it hits bargain basement prices.
Why would you buy this? The DVD also has the mono sound too. The DVD is what I have and I am going to stick with that.
It's not even the real original mono. It's a mixed bag of the original domestic mono and the international mono depending on the scene. It's like a fan edit basically, not the real thing. It's neither the domestic nor the international mono track, it's both at the same time. No preservation whatsoever on that freesbee.
Why would they prefer mono instead of surround? Did the sounds change?
@@-uc4vfbecause it was originally in mono. It's not a matter of preference, it's a matter of authenticity. And yes, the sounds were changed ever since the 5.1 remix for DVD in the early 2000. Gunshots that sounded very 80s, just like in the "Dirty Harry" movies or 1989 "Batman", were changed for modern ones, and music cues and sound effects were missing in the opening scene and opening credits. Plus the echo of the explosions in the tunnel chase scene were very much muted in the remix. It's clearly not the same experience and definitely not a genuine one with the remixes.
It's an upgrade but the blu ray is still pretty great.
Fake AI sharpness and weird artifacts aren‘t an upgrade.
@ I watched this restoration last week and I would buy it to watch over the blu ray if I didn’t already own the latter. It did look very good. In these vids it’s always worse because you’re not using a HDR tv to watch it on your physical disc.
In other words, I recommend but the blu ray is pretty decent.
@@TheEternalOuroborosIt’s fake HDR anyway.
The upscaled 2k restoration was in SDR.
@ OK. Even so, it looked as I described - fake or not.
I'll take this beautiful 4k over the ugly bluray any day.👍
Not good. James Cameron has sold out. And him telling people to get out of their mom's basement will not save his reputation.
Sticking with releases from Arrow Video, Vinegar Syndrome, Indicator and Criterion.
I'm so finished with James Cameron. So full of nonsense from him. I will not buy any of his upcoming Avatar movies and I am someone who does like his first two Avatar films.
So there's good and bad. When you're not dealing with the text elements - this looks amazing. Way better than the True Lies bs. Obviously this is still strugging with details like "Honda" and some of the computer readouts. There has to be a way to revert to the 4k scan for those elements and retrack them in as needed. I still don't like that this isn't really the original film grain, that there's a midjourney smooth version underneath what I'm seeing. But it's nowhere near as in your face as it was on some of Cameron's other discs. I haven't seen it in motion, but this is mostly passable.
Keep in mind there are other kind of restoration errors that go unnoticed all the time. My Blu-Ray of Road Games looks great, but there's a scene near the middle where the grill of a truck is just kinda glitching and is clearly an artifact of either a clone-stamp or trying to use part of one print on another. Not ideal, but not worse than the AI errors on this much more visible restoration
Wait, im confused. Prior to seeing any images or comparisons, the majority of UA-cam reviews that I've seen for this release are praising it, with many putting it down to James Camerons lack of involvement....
They said it’s a completely new color grading.
Amazing skin tones and HDR, less teal and green.
Liars…
Those people made a joke of themselves. I even had a guy who told me this master isn’t using AI and that he could see it because he was a professional photographer or whatever 😂
Whats sad is i've seen better homemade ai upscales than the offical ai upscales from park road.
Why do they keep getting hired and don't improve at all?
Why didn't he just scan the original negative? Did he lose it?
They already have a 4k scan.
Restoration was done in 2k.
Too lazy to go back to the original files.
@@martinddhyj God...
@@ZetaReticuli1. The sad thing is, he did scan the negatives. Then he used the studio Park Road to A.I. the transfer.
@@movietv20249 ...
Great comparison 👌👌
It’s the diet version, most will guzzle down, but purists don’t want to touch. I guess I am a purist since it left a weird taste in my mouth. Instead of admiring the HDR and additional detail I was distracted by the “airbrushing” of everyone and everything.
HD-Numérique, je n'ai pas bien saisi dans votre article sur cette édition 4K UHD 2024 de Terminator si cette version utilise le scan 4K de 2012 retravaillé ou alors si il s'agit d'un upscale 4K du Bluray 2K de 2012 ?
Clarifions les termes. Un Blu-ray (1080p) n’est jamais "upscalé" en 4K. Ce processus implique plutôt la mise à l’échelle d’une source professionnelle 2K vers une résolution UHD (2160p). À l’époque du Blu-ray, les négatifs originaux avaient été scannés en 4K, suivis d’une restauration complète sur une timeline 2K, laquelle a servi de base pour produire l’édition Blu-ray (1080p).
Pour cette nouvelle édition UHD, il est quasiment certain qu’ils ont repris cette source restaurée de l'époque, issue du scan original 4K, pour créer un nouveau master. Et cela inclut "oui" une étape de mise à l’échelle 2K -> 4K à un moment ou un autre. Avec la nuance que tout cela a été couplé aux algorithmes controversés de Park Road pour reconstruire de l'information manquante.
Le résultat est bien un nouveau master 2024 officiellement 4K, avec un nouvel étalonnage, des ajustements visuels et une texture 35mm (qui ne ressemble en rien à celle de 2013).
Donc ce n’est ni un simple upscale du Blu-ray, ni un réemploi direct du master de 2012. Cela dit, une étape de mise à l’échelle reste évidente dans leur workflow et le scan de départ reste le même.
@@hdnumeriqueNo new scan and no new restoration.
It’s just an upscale of the finished 2k master.
@@martinddhyj The statement is somewhat misleading. The original 35mm negatives were scanned in 4K in 2012, restored, and fully cleaned within a 2K timeline for the Blu-ray release at that time. In 2024, a new master was indeed created, building on the foundation of the 2012 restoration. You’re right!
However, the process likely involved the use of a fresh 4K timeline, incorporating upscaled elements enhanced by Park Road's algorithms, with some new 35mm textures added on top. Furthermore, the grading and the significant contribution of the Wide Color Gamut (WCG) are key factors in the improved look. And it’s very likely that they were developed within this 4K timeline... So, officially, Warner may be marketing this as a new 4K master, but there's no miscommunication here. It’s a 4K master derived from a 4K scan. And, in the end, everyone is right.
I wonder what the low bit rate and nits mean.
It's probably because it's an upscaled SDR 2K scan.
@@superjoe12punch That shouldn't make any difference to the bitrate.
Exelente video ❤
Are you blind?
@martinddhyj No and You?
The Mono track is worse than the 1991 LaserDisc track.
Thin and harsh sounding.
And it's a mixed bag of the domestic and international mono mixes depending on the scene, so it's neither and both at the same time. Very weird. I wonder who decided arbitrarily to chose one mix for a scene and the other mix for another scene.
The sound 👂 🙉 ❤
9:25 Une ia qui upscale une autre ia, j'en ai des frissons...
Love UHD discs but I'm sticking with the un-remastered blu-ray.
The Blu-ray is remastered.
It’s the same 4k scan and 2k remaster, without AI.
Il doit parler du blu ray us 2006 avec le master identique au laserdisc
Regardez le comparatif de Gorkab sur sa chaîne 😁@@martinddhyj
@@martinddhyj Not the original blu-ray that I own, Chico.
@@dougquaid570Get the one from 2013.
confused because looking at other compairison hdr and clarity was a bigger difference then this video
Could be much, much worse. Still pretty silly we can’t just have a nice 4K scan, but this is nowhere near True Lies or Terminator 2 levels of bad.
The AI artifacts (letters, logos) are worse than in TL and T2.
I can get as good on my vlc player filters. At least they aren`t real life melty-faced dolls like aliens
Oversharp
Just like Aliens. There's a line that you cross where sharpness becomes ridiculously too sharp. I know it's 4K, but at times, sharpness is just too sharp
@@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984I may wear glasses but it’s sharper than real-life is.
@mikeg2491 Yes. It's just too sharp for my liking. Film was never mean't to be that sharp, and it feels unnatural.
@@dr.impossibleofcounterpunc1984 Casino is a great 4k disc that manages to properly bring something new to the table with HDR while still looking smooth, filmic & realistic.
@mikeg2491 I haven't seen the Casino 4K.
1:50 embarrasing
For all of these negative comments towards 4k remasters, is falsely justified, cause it’s giving these classic films a new “clear” take!
It’s more evident in the 4:06 close up of Sarah Connor’s face!
Also, these 4k transfers will be A LOT more appreciated when watched on a large 150”+ home theater projection screens, as opposed to your everyday living room 60” inch lcd tv!
Fake AI details.
Over-sharpened.
La différence n'est pas flagrante
Best comparison I've seen so far. Looks much better than I had been led to believe!
🤦🏻♂️
People believe what they want to
oh... God... the SKYNET tele-signal keeps entering my BRAIN!! I can't... think... properly... must go... along... with every... thing... James Cameron... says or does. Yes, James, I will love... all your movies... especially the 4K... transfers.... please, yes.... of course, anything... you say, James... Cameron... yes...
.... and the Colour-Grading is the same Shit... ugly Green overall..... in my Eye, the old Bluray vom 2006, looks better!
Ну что сказать, на максимум всё выжали из кадров, что только можно! Дальше что? Сесть в машину времени и камеру оператору подменить на современную.
Just watched the 4k disc and in motion it looks amazing. This is not Aliens plastic faces and should be applauded. I loved it. Never looked better. It took some getting here in the unstoppable progression of AI but they are starting to perfect it. If it were up to me every classic movie on physical media would come with a 35mm untouched option for the purists … but I would still choose this particular upgrade every time. Now if they could just do all six Star Wars movies like this I’d be happy.
Starting to perfect it?
The fake details look like cr@p.
Weird AI artifacts everywhere.
The real question is why using it when a proper scan and restauration do a better job
@@bully33the real a question is why not use the AI when it's available even to a common ma*/woma*
@@martinddhyj to be fair you would have to pause the movie and zoom in on small text to even notice. It’s a small price to pay for such a good looking image
You're talking as if there's no other alternative 😭 like, a proper restoration from an actual 4k scan would give you the benefits of detail without ANY price to pay!
Añadieron la punta del bisturí. ❤
Thank god for AI to fix the mess it truly was. Finally, a decent image.
🤣
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
At the end of the day, this is what James Cameron wants his movie to look like. No objections here I think it looks pretty great.
he can do what he wants with his films. he can make them look as terrible as he wants.
at least the grain looks ok