How Much of the Tube Map is actually Tube?
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- The Tube Map has come a long way since Harry Becks 1933 classic design, nowadays it's not just Tube stations, but the Overground, DLR, Tram, TfL Rai and even River Piers and Cable Car stops thar are shown on there too.
So as a percentage, how much of the Tube Map is actually made up of Tube Stations now, and if all the other modes are greater in number, should it still be called the Tube Map - perhaps the TfL Map? It's time to count, and do some maths ...
Tube Map is here: content.tfl.gov...
Put Thameslink on the the tube map: www.london.gov...
IMPORTANT NOTES for doing this!
Stations that are linked by single or multiple connector blobs are ONE station. e.g. Victoria, Bond Street and Tottenham Court Road are all ONE station despite there being two blobs).
Stations that are linked by a dotted line walking connector are TWO separate stations. e.g. Shadwell on the DLR is separate to Shadwell on the Overground, and West Croydon is a separate Overground station and separate Tram stop, not the same one station.
Special cases/exceptions:
Hackney Downs and Hackney Central are treated as TWO separate Overground stations.
Paddington is TWO tube stations, Paddington (District) counts as pure Tube, with Paddington (H&C) being a Tube+Tfl Rail station.
The Bank/Monument complex is TWO tube stations, Bank is Tube+DLR, Monument is pure Tube.
Hammersmith counts as TWO tube stations.
Your list should look something like this:
Tube ...
Oveground ...
DLR ...
Tram ...
Tfl Rail ...
River Piers - 11
Cable Car - 2
Tube + Overground stations (e.g Canada Water, West Brompton, Kenton) ...
Tube + DLR stations (e.g. Canning Town, West Ham) ...
Tube + Tfl Rail stations (e.g. Ealing Broadway) ...
Tube + Tram stations - 1 (Wimbledon)
Tube + Tfl Rail + Overground - 1 (Liverpool Street)
Tube + Overground + DLR + Tfl Rail - 1 (Stratford)
TfL Rail + Overground - 1 (Romford)
Type what results you get into the comments below, and compare them to mine show at the end of the video!
I'm sure Geoff's map and Oyster will be displayed in a museum
Avery the Cuban-American Guinness book of records for most money\miles on a oyster card
I will ask the LTM people
In years to come!
Everywhere.
Oh my
God I love it when Geoff gets in full geek mode! It's GENUINELY inspiring! I'm off to crunch some numbers of my own now...
In making my spreadsheet for this I found something interesting.
3 Tube Lines (Hammersmith and City, Waterloo and City and Circle Line) have no stations on them that are solely on one line, all the stations are shared between 2 or more lines. When all this is over and we can all go outside, idk if you would find this interesting but maybe try and go to all of the stations on one of those lines (e.g. Hammersmith to Barking) but never catching a Hammersmith train. See how few interchanges you can do or time trial it.
I'm not a native Londoner (hello from Melbourne) so idk if this is old news but I found the fact at 3/11 Tube lines have no unique stations.
Happy isolation Geoff and everyone. Stay safe :)
Great stay-at-home video Geoff. Harrow-on-the-Hill and stations north to Amersham (not Moor Park) obv have Chiltern Railways trains and at the same platforms too, but not shown on ‘Tube’ map. Yet another anomaly when defining nodes!
Weirdly on my printed Tube Map (Dec 2019) the National Rail double arrows are shown at Amersham, Chalfont & Latimer, Harrow on the Hill on the Met and West Ruislip and South Ruislip on the Central Line where Chiltern services stop. The linked PDF shows this too.
I’m sure the national rail symbol has always been on the tube map for those stations
I think the NR symbol is only added where there's an interchange at shared NR/TfL stations. So you see the NR symbol on the map for example at New Cross Gate, Sydenham, Norwood Junction and West Croydon, but not at intermediate stations on the ELL where it shares with Southern (and Thameslink at NWJ).
Could you do a video talking about how many underground stations are actually underground? which stations are at ground level and which ones are elevated?
I second that! Reading the video title, I understood "how much of the tube map is actually [connected to a] tube?" I.e., how many of those stations connect to an underground tunnel (a tube) on at least one side?
Nice Harry Beck test card. I'd say a tube station that connects with another mode is still a tube station for the purpose.
This is sanity decreasing during lockdown.
Mr. Backpack Geoff definitely has been stuck at home away from trains for a little too long... next he will buy a large amount of model trains and try to replicate the National Rail network in his basement.
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Great you're still making videos. I'm still getting trains to work, as I work on the trains. Although I've got next week off because we have a blockade at Guildford for pre-arranged engineering works. Keep up the great work :D
Thanks for your hard work, Warren. I'm home in the states and have watched several lengthy UA-cam series on the London Underground. I never realized how many staff it takes to run, manage and maintain this massive transportation system. I was so impressed that I wrote to Tube management (and actually got a very nice reply). Stay safe and healthy.
Underground, overground, Geoff not free.
So he made a video of for you and for me.
Making good use of the tube maps we find
Things that the everyday folks just maligned
Underground, overground, sounds like something from the Wombles !
@@Peter-nv3wu that was my attempt 😁👍
And yes I actually sang it as I read it 🤣🤣
I don't even live in the UK, but I watch your videos anyway so that I can just dream of ever having trains as good as yours in the US. You guys seriously don't know how good you have it
Hiya Geoff, I know you will probably never see this comment, but I want to let you know that me and family love watching your fascinating train videos. Ever since I started to get the train often for my daily commute, My interest in the railways really sparked. I am hoping to go and visit Corrour soon, (When we can travel!) and maybe even visit some other strange stations! Honestly, the railways are my strong interest, and I am going to be having my own mini desktop departure board soon, and I am obviously going to put the data for Corrour on it of course!
Random Train Fanatic ;)
@@geofftech2 OMG Thank you so much! I hope so too xD
Using Corrour for your departure board; it won't change very often.😁
Geoff really needs a sponsorship from sharpie
New game, take a drink every time Geoff says tube.
Closest to 59 wins a liver transplant.
Keep up the good work Geoff...it really does feel like a bit of normality!
For certain values of "normal" ;)
@@6yjjk yup ..amongst my normals is a calm, relaxing wander around London finding labyrinths and the like. This gives me some of the 'fix'. Stay well...
Great idea Geoff. We need something to do while we are in lockdown
Why not call it "TFL Network Map"?
Totally! Many other Metro systems use that. This comment is so underrated. Needs more likes.
@@josephpak4277 Yup, I'm from near Sydney, Australia and that's what Sydney Trains calls their map.
Objection! If you called it that you'd have to include bus routes.
In the Washington, D.C. area, it's called the Metro Map.
@@teags3474 TFL Network Map?
What I want to know is - what percentage of "All The Stations" have bin bags blowing in the wind?
The answer is blowing in the wind.
Thomas Mann, Delightful comment, worthy of your namesake . . .
I was doing a similar counting project but for Tokyo. The major thing going on for Tokyo is that you could have stations named differently but technically connected to one another just as an interchange would (e.g. Shin-Okachimachi - Awajicho - Ogawamachi), and then you have stations which have the same name but are spread out quite far from one another (Shinjuku). Asakusa exists as two different station-groups -- a lone station for the Tsukuba Express, and the more familiar interchange between the Ginza, Isesaki and Asakusa Lines. The Arakawa (tram) line has stations which are basically interchanges with rail lines but have different names.
For those who enjoyed counting the stations on the Tube, I would encourage you to also give this a go: come up with a definition for a station, and see how many stations are in Tokyo's 23 Wards.
A fact that I, a foreigner who's never visited London or Britain for that matter, and saw one physical copy of the map in question live, absolutely needed in my life.
In the current climate you should be doing 'Most Used Station'...
I'm literally laughing my arse off😂😂😂😂
That's actually a good idea! A video about what exactly is happening with the tube right now would be great.
I know that you stated that you were just looking at the lines shown on the Tube Map but several of the stations on the line to Amersham also have National Rail services either on parallel platforms or even running on the same tracks so those are not pure Tube stations.
I need to know if Geoff includes these!
Tfl own the tracks on the met line Amersham branch and collect the revenue, so I guess they are tube stations.
@@OneKnifeYeHand That's not what he said though! He said the Met stations at Amersham etc were served only by TFL - not true.
I can't believe that somebody does things like this.....and I can't believe that I liked it.....
A few years ago, there were four Cable Car Stops, but now two of them are television towers...😅
I'm sure it's only ever been two
@@Eliteerin No, definitely 4 originally. You should watch Geoff's authoritative video on the subject. I believe it's now become the reference guide for history of the cable car system.
@@TheDaern That was an April Fools Joke. There has always been 2
@@leomai1964 Wooosh!
@@TheDaern Wow ok, you got me there. Wasn't very obvious innit
Thanks for the video. I had been collecting the "tube map" of my place which was called the station information leaflet for 14 years, I joined an exchange program in 2015 where I was away from home and could not get the SILs in that year. I got the tube maps instead!
I'm too busy to do this. I haven't finished counting the ships' sails on my pirate wallpaper.
Very witty (and pertinent) comment . . .
..uh, pleased for you. Scratch that itch. Your enthusiasm pulls me along. Choo, choo. I lost my brain on the train.
TFL map shows you can connect with NR at Amersham and Chalfont & Latimer but not Chorleywood or Rickmansworth. I think this is a relic from when Chesham services weren't direct and find it quite annoying.
Thank you for keeping us entertained during these dark times, Geoff - you're the best!!
Hello Geoff. My six year old son has asked “how many trains are there on earth?” Do you know if anyone has worked this out?
6:29 we need to extend the trams to Stratford to complete the set!
Having only just come across this video (and not having done the calculation) the opening of the Elizabeth line and its inclusion on the map must have increased the non-tube only nodes by a few.
I love the obsessiveness. Now you have me wanting to make a spreadsheet for tube/non-tube stations visited.
Geoff, hope you and your relatives are fine. Stay at home to beat this situation. Stay strong from Spain!
Hello love the videos geof
In Stockholm we have a rail map which includes the tube, the trams, the commuter trains and other rail services like narrow tack rail network (rosalgsbanan) and normal track train (saltsjöbanan) which drives modified tube trains with a cable in the air.
Geoff you could have also done a total length percentage by adding up the lengths of tube lines and dividing by the lengths of the other lines.
236. Why one more? Because you have forgotten my secret, private tube station on the Victoria line.
I have to admit, I was expecting a comparison of parts of the network dug with a TBM vs cut-and-cover sections and bits on top of the ground.
Geoff can you make a new video on your collection of tube maps and have a look at them in detail
I'm far more concerned about the circle not being a circle any more.
This is what we needed during the coronavirus!
I'll just take your word for it as it has been many yrs since I've been on the Underground - I know live in Derbyshire!!!
I love your show, Geoff. I just hits me in all the right places. Dude who loves trains, and trains.
you should do a video on Wimbledon. As someone who lives in Kingston, I’ve used Wimbledon a few times, and the station still baffles me in terms of how you’re meant to touch in/out and change on oyster. Oysterrail website explained it, but it could be a good video too.
To all non Londoners out there: Try finding the "Emirates Airlines Cable Car". I have no Idea where it is, and as of writing this comment, I haven't found it on the map. It's like a where's Waldo.
Update: I found it almost immediately after writing the comment.
Thoroughly recommend the "Secrets of the Cable Car" video. (Maybe funnier if you lived in London though)
@@RoamingAdhocrat to this day i can't believe i fell for it
It goes from Woolwich Arsenal to some DLR Station. COYG
I was totally expecting you to mark on the map where the tunnels turned to open air track, and calculating in percentage how much of the map was in the ground and how much was on top of it. But this is also a solid way of self-entertainment :)
content.tfl.gov.uk/tube-map-with-tunnels.pdf
Dang, this is a very interesting question, Geoff.
Thanks for uploading this, helping me to fend off my transit withdrawls.
Depends whether you count the Heathrow stations as being both Tube and TFL Rail. I got: Tube 235, Tram 38, D 41, Overground 87, TFL Rail 28, River Piers 13, Cable Car 2, Tube/TFL Rail 3, Tube/Tram 1, Tube/OG 25, Tube/DLR 4, TFL/OG 1, Tube/TFL/OG 1, Tube/OG/DLR/TFL 1. Total 480.
If it drops below 50% it’s still a Tube map for the same reason a vacuum cleaner is a Hoover or a tissue is a Kleenex. The Tube has become a generic term for rail travel in and around a city.
@Geoff I think Matt Parker would have loved to join in on the mathematical aspect of this video
Ealing Broadway is on the GWR main line. Between Kilburn Park and Harrow and Wealdstone is shared between the West Coast Mainline.
What's more upsetting, folks: Geoff Marshall's keyboard, or Jay Foreman's monitor?
It's a brilliant keyboard tbf
@@Eliteerin are we looking at the same one
#crosselizabethpurp will add more stations when the central part opens incl all the stations to Abbey Wood.
It will be hard to call it anything else very soon
If they put national rail services on, you'll get the old "London Connections" map.
I was supposed to come to London and ride the tube for the first time this May. (2020). Well, hopefully ill be there next year!
You should do this but with the 11 different lines
So as long as the tubes are not obscured I'd think that "tube map" is appropriate.
Omitting the non-tube features on the printed map for orthology would make the map less useful for most people.
The central/connecting feature is still the underground/tube network - and by extension all other forms that network is meshed with becomes a feature of the same.
Perhaps "*Tube+* TfL services" Could be a compromise, were "__ Plus" not so such a common trademark pattern.
Hope you and your family are well! And also does say Finchley Road count because it sort of connects up with the overground?
Love the test card
I am now making an effort to watch the ads before/after your videos as in this current crisis advertising revenue is essential to you.
They only have to play, you don't need to actually /watch/ them.
Well, not until they install eyeball tracking to make sure that you have.
@@florencegomer7937 "Five Million Credits"…
Does it make a difference if I press "Skip Ad" or not?
"Skip Ad" signifies you didn't play it.
@@florencegomer7937 Does that make a difference or not?
Well done. Given the limitations of social distancing, you show some creativity in coming up with s programme that informs and entertains. Looking forward to the next show. Keep healthy and keep safe.
With the Northern Line extension there will be 237/474 "pure" Tube stations on the Map, exactly 50%. However, opening of TfL Rail will add 2 to the total station count (Abbey Wood and Woolwich) and decrease the number of "pure" tube stations by three (Moorgate, Tottenham Court Road, Bond Street) to reach a new total of to re are 234/476.
The total of all Tube stations (including intermodal interchanges) will then be 272/476. To get that total below 50% would require adding a further 78 stations.
I would count Moorgate to still be a pure tube station as it's similar to Bank/Monument but Farringdon is the one changing to tube + Elizabeth line
Oh, and don't forget Barking Riverside
Well done you Geoff. I admire your enthusiasm. Did you ever wondered how are the repair works done around the line?
If only politicians were this observant and cared
At 3am, when I am wide awake because I am an bored old fart in lock down, I will go down my office with a cup of tea and have a go at this.
Love the Frank Pick test card! (edit: it's Harry Beck, just seeing who is paying attention!)
Do you mean Harry Beck ?
@@derbycentreman1951 Yes, probably! 🤭
Geoff, I apologise on behalf of all the other bores doing nothing with themselves at home but complaining about what you’ve made here. I thought it was great and highlighted just how badly overcrowded the map is!
Agreed. Geoff was making useful points under the guise of a game . . .
Interesting to see only exactly 10% (27 of the 270) Tube stations have links with Overgrounds. Makes me wonder how I ever got into the tube system at all from the multitude of times I've used it.
Rickmansworth to amersham are Chiltern aswell
"Tfl services map" is short & sweet. Stay safe & take care.
I initially made it 233 Tube. Alas, the map has always been a Cartography challenge, particularly in last quarter Century. Challenging balance between sufficient information vs clutter & unworkability.
When seeing the title I was actually wondering how many km of the tube map were actually tube and not running above ground? 😅
same here.
You forgot Tram/Overground at West Croydon
Linked by a dotted line - two separate stations?
@@dancrooksycamore They are seperate, West Croydon Tram is just a platform on the road whilst West Croydon LO is inside a station
(You need to walk up the road and turn right to get to the LO station)
@@SLTyt Ah..! But if you walk through the side entrance, it 'feels' like the same station.. Kind of...
DLR/Overground at Shadwell
@@connorgeorge6294 Two different stations/ticket barriers/buildings
6:30 TFI rail? Great show from the 90s.
Posting before watching- does a wild Matt Parker appear?
But stations that are shared with National Rail (like Amersham and Chalfont & Latimer) are seen as pure tube stops?
And Edgware Road is two stations, right?
So, I did a quick count. I came to 225 pure tube stations (10 less than Geoff) - I didn't include the Bakerloo Line stations between Queens Park and Harrow & Wealdstone because they all share with the London Overground (same with District between Turnham Green and Richmond).
Something else for the mix - Golders Green is a pure Tube station but it has a National Express Coach stop and a major bus terminus. However, nowhere to meet travellers in a car except a short stretch of double telly lines, which is really stupid.
I agree with thameslink being added to the map, before watching your videos Geoff i had no idea thameslink did a service through zone 1!
I am learning about graphical databases and this is a great exercise for using the node and connections methods LOL
Haha, what a brilliant video! I have a 1993 map autographed by Simon Gilbert of Suede.
I sometimes read the tube map for enjoyment!
57% tube ; approx 43% actually underground ; is this a weird coincidence ?
Geoff, you are charismatic man. I definitely love you!
Doing this with the NYC Subway map is interesting. All connecting services are shown to be near the respective station in a smaller font that makes it clear that its not a subway which could make it 100% pure. However on the back is a combined LIRR/Metro-North map (which is not avalible online) which could make it 65% pure.
I really enjoy all of your videos. Thank you for all that you do.
Good man. We're all in lockdown but you still produce a video for us. Much respect :)
Did the T&W Metro. There are 44 pure Metro nodes, or 73%. There are eleven Metro / Bus nodes, three Metro / Rail / Bus nodes (Newcastle, Heworth, Sunderland) and two Metro / Ferry / Bus nodes (North Shields, South Shields). I opted not to count Manors, since it’s redundant enough that neither do Nexus, or Airport since air travel doesn’t help you get around Tyne & Wear.
What is the 25th Tube + Overground? I can only find 24: Queens Park,Kensal Green,Willesden Junction,Harlesden,Stonebridge Park,Wembley Central,North Wembley,South Kenton,Kenton,Harrow & Wealdstone,Euston,Highbury & Islington,Seven Sisters,Blackhorse Road,Walthamstow Central,Whitechapel,Barking,Upminster,Canada Water,West Brompton,Kensington Olympia,Gunnersbury,Kew Gardens,Richmond
The 1986 map it’s the “Pocket map”, and it’s almost pure, it has the Essex Road line and the drain when it was British rail, also, in the Met, the stations like Chalfont or Amersham that the Chilterns stop there, is it considered pure tube?
I love how there’s more above ground stations than below ground on a subway system called the underground
Now Thameslink is on the tube map Geoff can tell the future HES AN ORACLE
I was going to say that
This encouraged me to Pause, Purely. Subbed.
Had a grand time doing this with my mum!! We got: 231 tube // 4 tube & tfl // 25 tube & overground // 4 tube & dlr (i miss counted)
Now I want to try this with the TFL Rail and Tube Map. Old Street, etc, definitely not "Tube Only" when it comes to how they function as stations.
I'd like to challenge for what you mean by pure tube station, as some tube stations which do not connect up with any of the trams, the Overground, the DLR or TfL Rail do have a connection with National Rail services, such as at Marylebone with Chiltern Railways? I would argue that National Rail services should be included in the list of connections, seeing as London Overground is strictly part of the National Rail network even though it is under the control of TfL.
Your post Geoff led me to go up into the loft and guess what I found? A Winter 1924/25 edition of the "Underground" Map of the Electric Railways of London. I think it was my great-aunts'. It listed some stations that I didn't even know existed such as on the District line, Mark Lane, St Mary's, Piccadilly Line, Dover Street, Down Street, Metropolitan Line, Addison Road, Uxbridge Road, Bishops Road, Aldersgate for example.
Just as a matter of interest, some were closed, some just renamed. Mark Lane became Tower Hill, St.Mary's was the junction for the East London Line (now part of Overground), Addison Road is now Kensington Olympia, Bishops Road is the H&C platforms at Paddington, and Aldersgate became Aldersgate and Barbican, now just Barbican. I believe Uxbridge Road became Shepherds Bush.
@@johnwinter2366 Thanks for letting me know. It's appreciated.
@@johnwinter2366 Uxbridge Road (Met) station was close to where Shepherds Bush Overground station now sits. There was a connection between the two lines where they cross just west of Latimer Road station. It, and the station, closed in 1940.
My friend sold an original tube map from 1936 for £135. I told him to keep it!!
Yes, on the next 50 years he would sale for £1000;))))
Should have included national rail as well
Whilst it would be interesting, it would be wrong to include National Rail, as National Rail lines are not shown on the Tube Map :)
content.tfl.gov.uk/london-rail-and-tube-services-map.pdf
I made the mistake of doing that when I was counting. I made it FAR more complicated, as you have all the alternatives to include: NR/Tram, NR/Tube, NR/DLR and so on..... I would really recommend NOT doing that; my count went all tf.😁
Actually did have fun doing this :) strangely satisfying even though I must have missed a couple (got 231/466). Thanks for the challenge Geoff!