What the Spark is Xenoblade 3's DLC Story Going to be About, Anyway?
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2022
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Props to XC3 for giving us the ability to swear in thumbnails without getting demonitized.
Oh snuff it you muppet
WTS (what the spark) is my favorite
spark off.
XC3 is not even the first one to do this xD i'm not sure about XC1, but in 2 we had swearing like "Titans Foot!" from Rex ;) I love their creativity when it comes to swearing.
I love it when luxin drops a whole feature length film about silly sword games
Hell yes! I could listen to Luxin talk about silly sword games for days!
The Sillyblade....
@@Alex-lc5dz No, the Senablade
A really sharp silly sword games
@@Alex-lc5dz Truely the funniest of swords
all i want is Shulk, Rex, and Noah to say “The Xenoblade”
or Alvis by himself. which is fine
I just want at some point their swords merge or just a legendary swords shows up and it be called "Xenoblade" lol
then some kind of deity or just another character would say "So, the Chronicles were true!"
"End of Casuality: Xenoblade"
I hope before they kill the main bad guy they all say “And this has been the Xenoblade Chronicles”
The Monado, Aegis, Lucky Seven, and whatever the legendary weapon in X is turn into the Xenoblade Chronicles: Definitive 3, the Golden Country X
Definitely would prefer an epilogue story to a prologue story, given the fact that the whole purpose of Noah and Mio's fight was to find a way to move forward in a world trapped in stasis, and I think it would be great to get some lasting closure on their future.
That would kinda defeat the whole point of the ending, that the future is unknowable and scary but we must face it as best we can to move forward, moving forward means the possibility for loss which is the price they pay to set the worlds in motion again. For the story to give some closure on what happens would be missing the point of it ending on an ambiguously optimistic note. I'm not saying it isn't possible for there to be a story after XC3 but to me it seems at odds with how that story ended.
@@hankhill7827 But it doesn't. If anything not having it in the future is against the ending. Were supposed to go forward, not back. What's the point of fighting for a future then if we're just going to go back anyway?
@@theinternetsightseer2935 We never go back, we go forward. The future isn't something we can know therefore what happens next (for Noah's future) isn't for us to know just like he doesn't know, we can only move on with our own lives instead of wishing for things to go back to what they once were.
@@hankhill7827 he doesnt know but, he will find out
@@hankhill7827 I don't agree. Noah and co. already made the choice to move forward despite not knowing what the future holds.
Getting a conclusion to their stories would not change the fact that they already chose to part ways with their partners and friends.
I agree with the points about the epilogue. One thing that's really stood out to me about the promo art for the DLC, is that the sky is depicted as a night sky(as opposed to other Xenoblade games portrayed during the day), with the sun rising in the background, signaling the end of the Xenoblade trilogy, and possibly a "new dawn" of Xenoblade. But that could just be me reading way into it.
Damn, that sounds way too plausible!
mmmmmm i dont think youre reading way into it, everything is done for a reason. im sure them detracting from the usual blue day sky has a reason behind it, likely the one you mentioned, so you're definitely onto something!
Here is, one other reason why I believe, the DLC will be an epilogue: XC3 takes place at midnight but the poster is taken at dawn.
Good catch.
The story of the DLC will be entirely about how past Eunie helped Colony 18 rise to gold rank. It'll unlock the Sharpshooter class + Mwamba as a hero.
You heard it here first. Eunie's the bus.
SO TRUE
It will obviously be Future Connected 2 featuring Gael'gar as the protagonist.
Eunie is Gael'gar's son
@@Pine2142 wait simp pineapple why arent you on enel's channel, simping?
@@arambles1 He hasn't uploaded a new video lol
I'd play it, lmao
Married to Melia
If the DLC has more references to 1 and 2, and answers most of the questions 3 left me with, I'll be happy
Also I feel an explanation on Mio's siblings is likely warranted cause what would the children of the Aegis entail
That... and I want to see their interactions with Mio, and others. There's an opportunity too good to pass up on.
@@Cobaltios One thing I'd like to see is Rex's kids being the playable party or part of it at least.
I honestly don't think an epilogue hurts the theme of 3's ending at all.
As you yourself pointed out, there is no ambiguity that the cast will eventually reunite, and while moving forward in the face of uncertainty is still a big part of 3's message yes, so is people moving forward to build a future that everyone can be accepted in. Plus if an epilogue does end with them merging the split universe that itself comes with it's own potential problems with people who perhaps didn't want to reunite and a brand new world of infinite possibility, one that Noah and Mio will have to shoulder together through. Still very much in line with uncertainty, just changing what it's focused on.
That and the emotional catharsis of them reuniting is just too big to not do.
Yeah when Luxin brought out two camps who may be hesitant for sequel DLC I was like
"Bro I'm none of these, I like the ending and want more" lol
Team Sequel all the way
@@thebluestar3782 Same here, whether something like a prequel story with the city founders or an epilogue to cap off the entire series and reunite the 3 lot I'm going to enjoy it all the same.
@@thebluestar3782 I'm the reverse, I disike the ending but I wouldn't mind a second ending via DLC lol.
@@ltb1345
I agree. As an ending for the standalone story that 3 was trying to tell it's alright, and I'm fine with the cast being split up too. However, the epilogue doesn't really commit to that idea since we literally see Noah dissappear after hearing the flute.
As an ending for the trilogy it feels very shallow. Everything I've done in Aionios outside of defeating Z (which also feels a little shallow) feels meaningless since there's no lasting impact. Defeating Z destroys Aionios and unpauses the old world and everyone caries on like nothing happened. It's like having your favorite show buffer for like a second or two, with the buffering representing xb3 and the show being the xb1 and 2 worlds, doesn't feel good.
And because the worlds were reset at the end of the game, and so were the memories of everyone, how do we know this won't happen again at a later date? There are just too many questions left at the end for it to be satisfying.
@@justarandomperson3700 HONESTLY, I never understood why the two worlds would split up again. I thought they were just going to merge in a distructive way and Origin was meant as an arc to preserve lives from the process. Melia said clearly "the worlds were yearning for each other" and they spliting again feels a complete contradiction.
Ultimately, all I really want from the story expansion is just closure. The characters are probably affected by what happened in Aionios, but we have no idea how or to what extent. With the worlds drifting apart again, either things are going to remain as they are and the party will never see each other again (unsatisfying), or the come back together which as far as we know could just trigger another Aionios. Personally, the desire to see things actually wrap up outweighs the annoyance over having to pay extra for a proper ending. (I've seen another game that had people complain about paying for a proper ending despite those characters' fate being very explicitly stated at the end of the base game even if not shown until the expansion.)
Also the prospect of seeing young Mio outside of the artbook is too good an opportunity to pass up while also expanding on the fate of the Blade system as a whole.
I agree.
Asura's Wrath, right?
@@TheZero1312 Nope. Much less well known indie title.
The worlds will not drift apart they will merge no matter what, that's basically the consequence of the conduit disappearing at the end of 2.
10:45 I think Noah could take up a sword in the epilogue for the sake of defending himself from monsters. Because those giant bunnies with sticks are mad scary.
And those are just the weakest ones; hungry Volf packs and rampaging Arduns are also problematic, and those are just the common enemies that live on the ground.
Frankly, it would be wise for anyone to go out armed in any of the 3 worlds, even without the involvement of Mobius.
Maaaaan i just want Noah and Mio to have a happy ending.
Same, and you can't do that with a prologue or a side story.
Regarding Conusl A, I heard the theory online that A is Aionios itself, the “endless now” personified. Honestly, that would be a cool reveal if they said it explicitly in the dlc. Unless a literal human moebius A was executed really well (and got the proper screen time to develop,) I wouldn’t exactly be excited for that character.
Also, the seventh founder is heavily implied to be nia. Look at the scene where she talks to mio in the founders room, it’s pretty explicit cause she is the one who made the stones and the seventh pedestal is represented by a stone. The fact that nia made them wasn’t exactly common knowledge to anyone outside of ouroboros.
I always thought the seventh founder was M, basically secretly helping rebuild the city and protecting it.
A lot do people are saying that A is going to have something to do with Alvis
I don’t think A is Aionios itself. If you complete the quest that features Triton visiting Colony Mu, an NPC will tell you about a list found in Irma/Consul I’s hideout that features all the Moebius names - and, specifically, she mentions there being 26 names. There definitely is a Consul A, we just haven’t met them yet
@@dededeletethis9940 I know this is really late, but which quest are you talking about? I’ve done most of the side quest in the game and I can’t remember one that’s like that.
I think an epilogue that has flashback scenes of the time during the founders with the cast regaining some of their memories could work to serve both sides. We would get to learn what happened before and what happens after.
Yes!
I am kind of of that same mindset. Or something where you jump back and forth between them. And build towards a true reboot by origin, rather than the restart that happened at the end of the game.
“Temper your expectations” given that new trailer I think I can safely say my expectations, even not having been tempered, have already been exceeded haha
25:00 I gotta agree that this seems one of the biggest issues with a Founder's DLC. The DLC is going to be smaller than the original game, so it would be a tall order to introduce a party of that many new characters that we know next to nothing about and develop them properly. Torna managed it well because the main game already introduced or revealed a lot about most of the characters (and even then, what new characters Torna introduced still got relatively little development). It may not be impossible to introduce that much in a DLC and do well, but it seems like using mostly existing characters would be the better option.
This is my issue with 3. It's put itself in a precarious position by lacking a proper explanation for so many things, it's making it strenuous on the future DLC to pick up the slack for its lack of context. This is what I feared about with FF15 tho that game had it way worse. You shouldn't leave it to lesser sized updates to fill in the most important parts of your story. It's not a viable approach. Torna sought to elevate the story of 2, it wasn't NECESSARY for you to enjoy or be satisfied with it. It certainly wasn't for me.
@@stormcutter59 I agree. I'll still be happy if the DLC manages to explain some of the loose threads left over by 3, but at the same time I'll be a bit miffed if they do it this way, because you shouldn't *need* DLC to get the complete story.
That said, I reserve my judgement until I actually see what the DLC story is about.
@@irmoony Same. 3 has so much going for it, a few tweaks here and there and some added context are the only things that would solve most of its story problems. It isn't a lost cause by any means so it's good to know this is Monolith on its worser days and it's leagues and bounds ahead of things like Star Wars or any other more mainstream piece of media you can name. That just shows you the talent behind these games. It's incredible and I'm grateful for it
I imagine if it is an epilogue dlc then poppi would definitely pop up. Due to her being a robot then shouldn’t she still remember everything, and if I remember correctly she was analyzing and story data during the game. So she could be how the protagonists fully remember aionios.
what if her Pinocchio-fication completes fully and she just talks like a normal person, not even with a nopon dialect lol
yooo youre right. wasnt that how nia was informed of everything that happened in aionios? through poppi?? so she could have the entire history of aionios, if not at least the major events, saved to her memory. unless when aionios was undone in the ending, then somehow her memory was too.
@@ilavain Unfortunately, Poppi's nopon dialect was added to the English localization of XC2 and isn't present in the original Japanese version, so I doubt it's going anywhere. :/
@@ltb1345 well, nopon dialect in general is just a localized version. Doesn't mean that they can't change how she speaks in japanese and it being the way its portrayed idk
Torna worked so well because it tied all the flashbacks from the main game together with context. Xenoblade 3 doesn't have those kinds of flashbacks, only the ones from when the main protagonists were training during their first term. And remember the BIG theme of XC3 about not being tied down by the past and the need to move forward without looking back. Looking back is not an option.
You did have n flashbacks, but that's about it.
I don't think that first argument makes much sense. The ending to chapter 5 was literally an hour of flashbacks to a time long in the past, and it was one of the most pivotal moments in the game. I'm personally hoping for an epilogue of some sort, but honestly, I'm expecting something of a prequel. Still, a prequel could provide some clarity to the post-game setting in a more subtle way. That's what I would expect, if the story dlc does end up being a flashback.
@@KelLorien But the flashbacks in XC2 were about a very specific point in time that led to very specific events that impacted very specific characters. That's not the case with the flashbacks in XC3, which showed us a montage of various points in history for the purpose of character building, rather than zeroing in on a single, super important point in the timeline that a story could be built around like in XC2.
@Soft Tofu i mean, the world was slowly coming apart due to annihilation events, most of the world is under a ten year life span, and everyone has major trauma from war. I can see why they wouldn't want to build from this world and instead return and try again.
true but dont mean that it cant return the past not saying look back but a future where they are renunited can happen
Isn't Nia the seventh founder? At the very least I thought that was implied based on the fact that the seventh founder is the one who gave them the Ouroboros stone, which are what Nia created.
It's possible it could've been her daughter. She DID have a kid with Rex lol
@@cqllel5186 So Mio is the 7th founder then?
@@Ontos-qf2ow Who knows? It could've been one of her past lives
I always figured the 7th founder was supposed to be the original Noah, but then they scrapped the idea in-universe entirely because of Noah's betrayal (hence why there are stories about a 7th founder but nobody actually knowing anything about it, because it was scrubbed from the records intentionally). You can see that the original Noah used to be important to Ouroboros after all. The center 'statue' in the memorial hall also never says anything about the 7th one being the one who gave the Ouroboros stone, either, so I'm not sure where that's coming from.
My interpretation is that the 7th founder is M
first off the game states the queens helped the founders so there would be no reason not to have them depicted as statues if both or one of them was the 7th
also M makes perfect sense for why they couldn't have a statue of her since if she was depicted
1: Moebius could find out she acted against them and she wouldn't be able to help them further
2: If M was shown then the faction against fighting the Moebius couldn't use her involvement as a reason to keep to themselves
it would also explain 2 scenes very well
1: Ghondor receiving the Cloudkeep key from M without her getting alarmed by a Moebius suddenly appearing
2: similarly Ghondor and Monica not reacting defensively when M appears in the City
if M was the 7th both of these make sense under the assumption that the knowledge of M's involvement was passed down by house Vandham similar to how only a few people knew the city itself was a Ferronis since they would know she's not their enemy
the Ouroboros stone representing her still makes sense like it would for Nia since M is Mio making her a version Nia's Daughter
going off your basis for the DLC, I'd love to see the trinity processor being the core of Origin and taking our main cast into the AI-generated Aionios, the same way Alvis created XC1's world in a pocket dimension of XC2's world. Also similar to how Pneuma/Logos/Ontos went through personality training during their creation. Given how we know Origin's center is comprised of core crystals, it would make plenty of sense for the main processor of all of origin to be the Trinity processor.
On that, given that there is no Conduit anymore, I'd love to see the DLC lead to a Xenoblade series that explores the Colelctive Unconsious, or something similar, as a source of Ultimate Power. We already saw hints of this from the black fog, the fog king, and Z's calling the collective of Moebius during the final fight. The Trinity Processor could simply learn to manipulate that power rather than the power of the Conduit, allowing it to have some significance above other Core Crystals or power sources.
This part may be off the rails, but I'd predict the Trinity cores would be able to learn to manipulate the collective unconscious power that I've created here, and draw on that rather than the Upper Domain energy that the Conduit provides. This could lead to some really cool premises where these processor cores, who do not explicitly NEED to still be Pyra/Mythra/Alvis/Malos as characters at this point, growing power hungry and creating a crisis like that of the Gnosis crisis of Xenosaga. That also ties in XC3's premise of using the enemy's life force as your own/ Moebius drawing on Flame Clocks. Like I said, this part is a bit of a crackshot but I feel like it could be cool
Anyways i got a bit ahead of myself, considering literally none of this would even be in the XC3 DLC lol
What I hope to see:
1. Reunion between the main party of XC3
2. Rex/Aegis and Shulk playable (because of the swords)
They could do a thing where Nia and Melia helps Noa and Mio talk using that thing that they used, and somehow Shulk helps Noah and Rex helps Mio to reconnect the worlds, and they all have a happy ending
And have a mechanic to switch between both worlds. Basically what Kingdom Hearts 3D did but without the time limit.
Shulk being playable would not be too hard to do. For Rex, it might be a little bit more complicated due to how the blade system in xc2 worked. Also Rex having his three baby mamas as his blades would be interesting to say the least.
18:02 I think that this is a bit misinterpreted. Riku and Manana are only confused by Human Babies and their smolness. Manana calls them a new species, and they don't know how Humans are born without the cradles, but there is nothing to suggest they don't know how Nopon are born. This also assumes that Nopon babies are made the same way as human babies, cause this game has shown that Armu are born because of rain.
Do nopon lay eggs? It sounds super cursed, but these ARE nopon.
Never thought I'd need to consider how nopon reproduce yet here we are lmao
@@samreddig8819 I mean, they do have "wings"...
@@boredhuman6512 mitosis
I do resonate with your statement at the end. People definitely need to keep expectations in check, otherwise they’ll be dissapointed. I’ve seen certain people online and some prominent UA-camrs who conplained that certain characters didn’t show up, or showed up too late and I just think they were expecting too much. The same with Future Connected. The games were only talked about being the “futures of the worlds” and in that respect there was tons of fanservice. Locations, musical motifs, all the post-game quests had lots of references to characters, locations, events in those games without directly showing it all which makes it the perfect kind of fanservice: it’s something that fans will pick up on and enjoy, but those who haven’t will gloss over and may only realise until playing the games. That’s the great thing about Xenoblade, how each game is connected yet completely seperate in premise and they do it so well.
Its interesting because it all hinges on what origin actually performs in the ending. From what I hear from some comments, Nias exposition dump is badly translated and she eludes to "Origin" being the piece of the puzzle that corrects the experiment and sets it to rights Ergo , to "properly merge the worlds" as in "the worlds were separated ,so this is meant to return them to their (origin)". Which would make the naming scheme make a lot more sense. It would kind of go against the Imagery at the end of the game of everything fading and seperateing, but one could view that as more symbolic of The moments and memories of Aionios itself fading away from everyone's minds and origin rearranging all the information to fit in one dimension.
Something that people who want a prequel bring up is that it could answer more questions about XC3's lore, however there are two questions that cannot concievably be answered in a prequel, but could be answered in an epilogue:
1: Noah and Mio's reincarnation thing. Seems way too important to be left unexplained, I don't see how it can be explained in a prequel given that even Z didn't understand it, and I don't think it's just a plot hole, considering the game went out of its way to point it out multiple times: "...your two souls, persisting past Homecoming"; "why did you split from your other self?" And if it's because those two were always destined to sacrifice themselves to destroy Z, with N and M filling that role in the end so our Noah and Mio wouldn't have to, that's still a pretty flimsy and incomplete explanation. And if this was discovered in the past (if it were to be explained in a prequel), wouldn't Z have taken steps to prevent this, let alone be shocked and worried when he saw the new Noah and Mio at the time of the main game?
2: The black fog. We've now had the importance of this existential threat stressed to us for a game and a half, and we still don't know what the spark it actually is, other than that it either turns random animals into monsters or blows up parts of worlds. Unlike Mobius, it wasn't dealt with by the end of XC3 (and it's not like Chapter 7 forgot about it either, with all that fog in Origin). And just like Noah and Mio's reincarnation, it was shown to be something that even Mobius, let alone everyone else in Aionios, didn't understand at the time of the main game, so it can neither be solved nor explained in a prequel. Even Melia, of all people, didn't provide an explanation. "It's an effect of the two worlds merging, which is why they shouldn't merge!" also doesn't work as an explanation, since we saw in Future Connected that it was a danger in Shulk's world long before the inciting event of XC3.
I know not everything has to be explained, but these two things certainly do, and they only can be in something taking place chronologically after XC3's story. And if it isn't obvious, I do think that whatever or whoever is behind the black fog will be the villain of the DLC, if it's an epilogue.
Those two questions can be answered in a prequel. A prequel is wide open and Monolith Soft can still make up things and explain it away. An epilogue has a very rigid structure where Melia and Nia still don’t know anything about Aionios or the Black Fog and where the main party is reunited, but what else is there for them to do?
Naw your not alone Luxin. I'm also hoping this is a send off to perfect work stories, so they can move on to other things they'd like to try. They can still use ideas from perfect works, but I think takahashi himself wants to move past perfect works by now as well, and I trust their jidgement, so I'm good with that.
I mean, this game takes so many elements from all xeno games. At least half the heroes are refrences to other xeno games like teach and citan or segeri and junior. I hope takahashi gets to finally move on from perfect works.
You have to admit though, he spent so much time creating this perfect works world and it struggled a lot along the way its super bittersweet that its now ending after all these years
Contrary to what anyone else has stated, we still have not seen the last part from the perfect works storyline. At best, XC3 is the same part as Xenogears which was five or six.
IMO the Xenoblade games cover these parts of the Perfect Works story.
PW1 is covered by origin stories from XC1 & XC2
PW2 is covered by XC1/XC2 backstory & Torna
PW3 is covered by the main stories of XC1 & XC2 as well as Future Connected.
PW4 is covered by XCX.
PW5 is tied to XC3 & XC3DLC.
PW6 is yet to be explored.
I'm guessing the founders would be the 6 party members. I don't really care though. Actually, I'd probably prefer they not try to explain the backstory since they left some impossible to fill plot-holes there. Leaving it ambiguous makes them less of a problem. Also, I agree with your point that if the key art is relevant, there are probably timey wimey shenanigans.
What are the impossible to fill plot holes?
I would prefer an epilogue instead of a prequel since we already know a prequel will be a tragedy and it wouldn't be as impactful since we know of 3's ending in the main story so they wouldn't matter much since the worlds reset to the beginning
Exactly.
I've thought about this a lot since recently finishing 3...
I don't think merging both worlds is truly necessary; connecting them, on the other hand, that could work too. Hell, I'd love to have Noah show up in Alrest and be given the tour of the place, and vice versa for Mio in Bionis. I'd even like to see Mio's interactions with her siblings, the Aegis kids, and find out what they're like.
There's honestly a lot of potential things they could do with an epilogue of all characters meeting, alongside the cast of the previous games. Give me a 10 minute cutscene of just Noah chatting with Rex and the gang, and learning about Alrest. I'd be super satisfied with that.
But yes, all this to say that I definitely hope the final DLC concludes with the XC3 group reuniting in some way. Don't care about how, just that they do. Especially Noah and Mio, for their sake... and for the potential interactions with other characters.
I agree. And you would be given the ability to switch between the two worlds, like whot Kingdom Hearts 3D did, just without a time limit. Noah would form party with Mio's siblings and Mio would be reuniting with Eunie and Lanz.
Personally, my guess is wave 2 and 3 will give us non playable info on aionios backstory, founders, the nopon, etc. I feel wave 4 will be an epilouge, where shulk and rex will be involved with at least noah and mio, and we get these hints and connectioms to Xenoblade 4 that takahashi mentioned. I feel its very possible we get to fight the fog in some form, but just way more in debth than FC, because FC and the fog king are also a lose threads.
Thats my personal guess and probably what I would prefer tbh, minus the fog king, that doesn't excite me much unless they actually do something really cool with it.
If mobeius and the fog king are made up of the same substance, it could just be UDO from xenosaga but with an actual presence and setup.
All I want from the DLC is hints of some to do with the Conduit and/or Alvis and where they both went in Xenoblade 4. I'm mostly curious about those and what they are doing as I'm just always interested in sprutaly cosmic powered relics. I want to just have a general idea of why it appeared in the first place and what it's purpose was
Spoilers for XC1 and XC2 Ahead:
Personally I am really hoping that the DLC goes into the fate of Alvis and where he went, potentially even letting us to see his blade form/Ontos. I would love to see Alvis again
Considering he kind of was Shulk's Blade, it feels even more weird that he just left for good.
Dude, i swear Alvis is Riku.
Looks like you were right.
@@rhysraymond5976 I've been hoping for this since XC3 was revealed haha, I had to try not to freak out in the breakroom at where I work when I saw Alvis in the trailer
I think it's gonna be an epilogue DLC honestly. The ending went hard on both Mio and Noah saying how they would find each other, that they would see each other again some day.
So it feels natural that what we would get is a story where you play each party separately in their own universe trying to find a bridge between then.
So you would have a party of Shulk, Noah, Eunie and Lanz working from their side, and a party of Rex, Mio, Sena and Taion working from the Alrest side. With some remnant of Moebius still somehow existing.
With a final battle where the parties are re-united. Not sure how they'd adapt the battle system for this, but it's just my thoughts. To me it would be purposeful fan service. People still want to know what Shulks new world looked like, and same with the new Alrest with all the titans merged together.
One thing I think we should remember regarding ouraboras powers,
while i do agree that Noah and Mio most likely dont have ouraboras powers anymore, Mio did get a new body mid game but kept the ouraboras powers.
So I think the possibility of them keeping it or awaking it somehow still stands
But wasn’t that body also an Ouroboros before the whole Moebius thing?
@@tylercoon1791 We don't really know, Z just showed N Ms body, it might be a reborn, already adult version like what happend with Shanaia (and with all memories intact)
@@tylercoon1791 It's a bit ambiguous, but it makes sense to think that the Noah who became N had already lost his Mio when he ended up in the Origin Theater. That would imply that the Mio who became M was just reborn and directly made into Moebius, with no opportunity to become Ouroboros first.
if the DLC is an epilouge, I could see the final zone/area of the game being something like Ultima Thule from FFXIV.
A Space that is completely controlled by thought and emotion, the *Origin* of Moebius, and the source of their power, and also the source of power from the Conduit as itself is likely highly tied to emotion due to the collective unconcious being hooked into it in some way based on Xenosaga lore.
My theory at this point, it's some timeline shenanigans, BOTH a prolog and epilog. Why not have a team do the construction of Oragin and with Shulk, Tora, Melia, Nia and one or two others, while the epilog can be Rex, Noah and a few other characters from all three games, and all about uniting the two worlds safely. And by the end of it, you could have all three unite, plus all the others take down another Fogbeast as it's most likely the next big enemy in the series.
i feel like everyone doesn't recognize the third possibility and that is Monolith Soft becoming bat-shit insane and doing both.
A. My theory about nopon in Aionios is that they are just as ageless as Melia and Nia. The queens do not age throughout the millennium of Aionios's existence. Melia and Nia originate from outside of Aionios and apart from the flame clock system, so the nopon were likely swept up into it as well. This explains so much about Riku, who appears to act the exact same in flashbacks of the Keves crew as kids.
Furthermore, we know from the late game quest bringing together the nopon that use hammers that they are certainly the ones who made every instance of Lucky Seven. You kinda have to be ageless to give it to that many instances of Noah.
Melia and Nia are noted to have long lifespans (helped by being dormant for most of Aionios history), not to be ageless. And while the Legendary Nopon don't, most nopon in the game have official ages and plainly are not ageless. My theory is that Nopon simply don't reproduce the same way as humans (we've seen Nopon children but to my knowledge have never seen a Nopon baby). As for Riku, keep in mind those flashbacks were only like seven or eight years in the past, if he was already an adult then of course he wouldn't act much different.
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It was stated by N in a chapter 4 cutscene that the queens existed in a similar way to Mobius. They do not age while in Aionios.
@@justarandomperson3700 that's certainly one way to interpret his words, and you could be right, but the context was simply N stating Melia would be able to see and hear what was going to happen. Occupying the same niche of existence does not necessarily mean they have the same lifespan. Not to mention that in order to live like they do, its noted Moebius have to consume life energy. Melia and Nia do not do this yet live just fine. Plus we have Monica stating that the queens simply are said to have very long lifespans. Melia's life span is a repeated topic in her ascension quest, and yet it is never stated she does not age in Aionios, rather it gets repeated that she is long lived.
34:42 From Nia's flashback to Origin's activation, we see a view of the Gormotti in what is presumably Torigoth, so yes we can see where Nia was at the time when everything went to shit.
The dlc story is gonna be Lanz's journey to find something meatier, which ends in him and cammuravi sparking (main villain is Lorithia, who is Lanz's ex wife)
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12:34 this is the same fist pose that the noah look-alike statue does in the city. just noticed that
honestly i would like in either a future game or maybe in some other sort of media, to explore the origins of nopon and why they keep showing up regardless what universe you're playing in. oh and also eventually somehow connect X to the numbered games. this is a bit of a meme desire for the series(even though IDK the story and lore of X), but have it retconned to take place so long after xenoblade 1, 2, and 3 that you could fit 6 stories worth of games between them because then xenoblade X would be the 10th game timeline wise.
36:50 honestly thought for a full second you were going to have Shulk say "It's Moebin time"
42:10 my current head cannon is that Rex is the only human that can reproduce with blades, we don't see any hybrids in 2 and Zeke and Pandoria don't have a kid shown so Rex is currently the only human confirmed able to reproduce with blades as he does so with multiple blades so it's unlikely that it's an Aegis and Flesh Eater thing
And just why is it a Rex thing?
Everything we see in 2 points to a (somewhat) normal biology for blades. I'm sure plenty have a functional uterus.
I thought he was gonna say, "Time to end this Xenoblade Chronicle."
@@samreddig8819 because he was the Master Driver maybe I don't exactly know, I just find it interesting that no other characters have been shown reproducing with blades and they confirm he did with multiple so it's not likely to be on the blades part like "only Flesh eaters can breed" or "it's an Aegis ability"
I like the idea that Noah and mio will get some sort of special powers when they return to their original world like klause and galea did with being gods with Monados since the ending of 3 mirrors the experiment with one world being separated in two with Noah and mio being at the centre
11:53 if you do the 7 nopon quest every party member's weapon is made to be on-par with lucky seven, i.e. forged by the nopon masters with origin metal.
Yeah but they don't get a big fancy chest-sword to use when Inter-linked.
@@GrandChaseHotStuven how would that work if they did? Would Eunie's rack turn into guns?
@@samreddig8819 taion reaches into his chest and pulls out a giant mondo, which immediately illusions into another slightly smaller taion ouroboros which reaches into its chest and pulls out another mondo, which immediately illusions into an even smaller taion ouroboros and so on and so forth
The way I see Noah's sword returning in an epilogue is if he's some how able to re-summon it. I always thought of the iris system being a side effect of being recreated by origin seeing as its heavily implied that it uses core crystals to recreate the two worlds, possibly mixing in some blade dna when people are recreated which gives them the iris and the ability to summon a weapon. Noah being able to re-summon his original sword is still possible seeing as it's made out of origin metal, the only thing that can survive the collision event.
Origin is probably the anchor of reality at this point l, so yeah I feel like they can do everything they did in 3.
I'm really really hoping for an epilogue. The end of the game left me asking, okay what now?! I need to know! Not, I wonder what happened in the past.... Not that I wouldn't love that story either, I adore this series.
I was so sure that on starting NG +, I would be in Mio’s perspective and finally learn more about the character to rival M W A M B A.
I am very convinced that the DLC story is an epilogue based on the promo art itself. It features the 3 main game swords together. Back when they announced the Expansion Pass for 2, the promo art was the Tornan Crest so it had to be related to Torna somehow. Similarly, this DLC story based on the artwork has to be related to the 3 swords and the only way I see that working is with an epilogue.
I dunno if that Ghondor and Shania idea was a joke but it still sounds really cool.
I think I had my own idea for how an epilogue could incorporate flashbacks. Some of the XC1 and XC2 gang could start suffering memory flashes to their lives and deaths in Aioniois, in the same way that Eunie and Ashera remembered their own deaths in previous lives.
Like maybe Mio would talk to Rex about how she keeps remembering Noah like it was a dream, but talking about it triggers something in him, and he suddenly suffers a flashback to a scene of Z killing him, Pyra and Mythra. Melia and Nia contact each other about it, and Shulk and Tora theorize that Origin picked up new data from Aionios, and some of it has bled through into their post-convergence bodies. And that could lead to two parties, one from each world, going into Origin to try and figure it out, which would kick-start the actual main plot.
It's gonna be about mawamba and mecha friend the two best characters
Dlc Mwamba hero is all I need
I think we can all agree that it's gonna be awesome no matter what it is. Personally I'm ok with either but if I had to skew myself slightly I would prefer an epilogue/sequel. I'm honestly not SUPER interested in the founders like I was with Torna. Either way Monolith has my full support and trust with how incredible their "DLC" was previously which is was more of just an entire full game lol. I do also believe in the idea of the DLC going full fanservice. One of my worries was that XC3 would be too much of the previous games and the new characters wouldn't get a proper spotlight but they handled it really well and maybe should have actually had a bit more returning stuff but I digress.
Honestly one of my favourite things about any Xeno game IS the discussions around them. Thanks to awesome channels like Luxin we're all able to share our thoughts, interpretations, theories and just generally express how much these games touch our hearts. So whatever the DLC may leave us with, more questions, more answers. Sadness or Joy. I'm looking forward to it and I hope Monolith continues to pump out the masterpieces they always do while carrying Nintendo's other games.
I want to be happy by the end of whatever the DLC is. So in other words please don't hurt Rex and I'll be ok.
Nah. I want revenge for that tonal whiplash.
Imagine if rex sacrifice himself like vandham in xenoblade 2
Watching this after the DLC is absolutely hilarious because he was like 90% wrong and it was still a phenomenal story
I just want to see Noah and Mio reunite
me too, so much. Also Lanz with Zena and Eunie with Taion.
Ah yes, the endless now.
Takahashi, you're a genious.
I'd generally prefer a post story with a Rex Shulk Noah meeting up. I think it'd be more fitting with the end of 3 pointing towards meeting up with everyone in the future
Also the last things shulk says in xenoblade 1 , He paraphrase's Alvis's words and "wants to meet the people of this new world" would also tie into it, his whole life purpose after correcting the dimension of mechonis and Bionis is this, it would be a nice conclusion to his character.
Ayo new Luxin discussion vid just dropped. I’m also on team epilogue and agree with almost all of the points made in this vid. Since one of the main themes of this game is to walk towards the future it would be disappointing to just end up with a founder’s prologue. I am really thinking that a potential epilogue would start out on the Mio/Agnus side of things and her journey to reunite the worlds with her mom Nia + some of the 2 crew. In terms of “fan service” content I really hope we get more 3 fan service since this is a DLC story for 3. I.E. more NoahMio, EunieTaion, and LanzSena moments.
Love the vid, I think there's still confusion on who Shulk was in relation to the founders. He's definitely the statue mentor that is missing the arm, and I'm thinking the House Ortiz is either just a cool callback, or maybe either like offspring? Idk how the houses work but I needed people to know where Shulk is at this point
Man... I'm just sitting here wondering why there were no people inside the Lifehold...
I think if a founders prequel includes Shulk and Rex it would likely touch on origins of the world/the merging even if it's only more subtle puzzle pieces like the core crystals in origin. At least in my mind pre-Aionios explanations about the world/origin can come in either a prequel or epilogue so they can still sew hints at the future as, the only drawback with the prequel is no reunions.
I feel like an epilogue would fit best. As Xenoblade 3's base game was the end of the Klaus saga, the DLC would push the series forward past it somewhat. All it really needs to do is show us what future games will be, which is hard with a prologue since it wouldn't be able to show us that since it would be stuck in the same saga. I know it's cliché, but I feel a happily-ever-after ending is what will likely come, where the main cast of 3 can live together without fighting like they wanted. Least in the end after they sort out what the DLC has to offer. I would like to think that the DLC ends with all three swords like in the artwork, left to rest kind of thing. Just to symbolically say that these stories are over. Unlikely but just would be a nice image to leave the game on imo
wouldn't it be nutty if its a recreation of 1s title screen but at the start it has all the swords in the ground, and at the end you can see Bionis,mechonis and titans in the background? that would be a cool ass image
I kinda like the idea of the DLC framing itself as being a prequel story and then actually turning out to be an epilogue is kinda fun to me.
one of the main issues with an epilogue story to me would be that the marketing would very possibly revolve around huge spoilers for a game some people won't have finished by next year?
I may be asking too much but I want an epilogue that swaps between both worlds for a time before Noah and Mio get to reunite, then the story goes on from there.
The one thing I want most from the DLC is a specific Hero. Someone we've seen already, and one who people might not want over certain other characters, or even new ones.
The DLC Hero I want the most, out of ANY character, even over a new character, is Poppi.
We've seen that Poppi is (thankfully) still around, and she was my favorite character from 2. I honestly don't really have a reason for her specifically getting added other than I just really really like her. I know most people would want Rex or Shulk, but I want Poppi. (or KOS-MOS, but I don't feel like she's likely)
Stop lying. We know you really mean Mwamba
I mean, INO fills poppis archetype, so yeah.
I had an idea for the dlc being some kind of trails in the sky 3rd
where there's a main story but also little side episodes that focus on certain characters
it's unlikely but would be a fun idea
with the great message from this masterpiece "to move forward", i hope the DLC is an epilogue. To move forward with the story and have some closure and open a realm of possibilities for the next installment like 6 years from now. I loved this game, it hit my heart, truly a masterpiece.
I'm hoping that any new classes from the DLC story expansion can be transferred into New Game + for the main game.
My thoughts exactly. Its really the only thing Torna left me wanting in the base game, something like Blade Jin, and so on. I hope xc3 can keep the main game relevant.
You could do that in DE with Shulk and Melia's Future Connected outfits, so I think this'll be the case.
Who is here after the dlc trailer
I have been dying to get new Luxin content so this really made my day
I really like the idea of starting out as Mio in the dlc and ideas like Rex and Shulk telling the story of Aionios to Noah and Mio as kids is a really interesting idea as well
I am 99% sure that the challenge mode will contain shulk and Rex in some way
Yeah. They may even be somehow relevant to the story like a normal hero, so it would make sense to not show them off.
I'm 50/50 maybe not in Wave 2 but in Wave 3 since the latter need to be impactful at least to be a filler till they release the Story DLC
Why are you so sure tho
@@jackjohnson8305 idk, I just am
The only thing that makes me doubt this is the Monado REX instead of the more iconic original Monado, otherwise I'd agree with you.
Personally I hate ambiguity in endings so a DLC reunion of the main cast in an epilogue is a positive for me. I would hate it if we were never shown the reunion and only hear about it in Xenoblade 5 or something like that.
Just heavy foreshadowing that N was the one to fall and not Noah.
I have no idea if you'll see this so if I can think of more ideas I'll just amend this and post it to your next but I think it has to be an epilogue of a new beginning. All we've ever seen Noah as is a soldier with a badass sword from the get-go. Shulk started out as a scavenger with a Junk Sword and Rex started out as a salvager with a Broadsword (but I think call Junk Sword in some of the files). We need to see Noah with a "junk sword" at the end to really hit home that there's something worth protecting but nothing worth warring over.
It could be taking notes from Maslow's expansion on his Hierarchy of Needs. The first is Cognitive Needs, which relates directly to Shulk. The second is Aesthetic Needs which I could relate to Rex pretty easily with him wanted better gear. The third is Transcendence Needs, which is a lot broader, but can easily be represented by connecting humanity.
And not very related but I have a feeling that since everyone ages the same now that was some sort of balancing the convergence had to do. I think if Nia and Melia hadn't been in stasis they would have maybe started aging too. Maybe Blades just work like weird humans now since there's not reason to process information from their bonded humans since there's no Conduit anymore.
I find it really funny how players have started using "spark" and "snuff"
"Xenoblade 3 has left a few mysteries"
X Fans: *P A T H E T I C*
God I hope they either pull something new off or do both prologue and epilogue, having nearly no information about the founders is so infuriating, and I would kill to see the "future" versions of 1 and 2 through the 3's casts eyes.
As for Consul A, we already got a being that has jumped worlds before that basically is canonized to do so: Alvis/Ontos. I would hope one of the remaining trinity processors/Aegis would be able to live through to the point where Origin takes place, and finally having an evil version of Alvis that was corrupted by Z, who theoretically would live through the ending of Moebius because he existed before their creation, would make a fun villain for both sides to face, together or separate.
MWamba and Bolearis team up to find the Xenoblade Chronicles
I think it would be funny if the dlc story's premise starts out with Tora in a huge lab outside Origin having just pulled the lever to activate Origin and he just says "Hmmm... It not reboot. Tora try again."
Like the first attempt appeared to do nothing but actually created xenoblade 3 and the second attempt was the successful one.
Basically in the vein of the Xenoblade-style humor.
The DLC story will be a prequel about how Mwamba singlehandedly built Origin
48:59 Well, the DLC promo art having all three blades feels like it's hinting at there being some level of fanservice crossover, but I'm fine either way
great video, I just beat XC3 last night and this was a great watch. I definitely do not want to see a prequel like Torna. Not because I didnt like it but because I want to see the direction they are going to go, while touching on whether or not the main characters of 3 get back together after the main story ends.
if your theory about the lucky seven symbol is true i think it would be cool if when they reveal the DLC they start with the image of three swords and then some particle effect causes noahs sword to change from the flame clock symbol to something new
that being said im still on team prequel because because i think it would answer more questions that i have after the end of 3
I know XC3 likes to say dreams are memories, but in the real world, sometimes people consider dreams to be prophetic, and I had a very lengthy dream the other day, that I even woke up from and managed to fall back asleep into twice, which was very much bits and pieces of a potential epilogue story to XC3
I wouldn't put it past Takahashi to see this and go "yeah".
I have frequent Deja Vu a lot of the times. I like to think that's because those moments were a future i saw in my dreams that i simply did not remember.
I'm not saying we should have expected XC3 to be nothing but fanservice, but it WAS advertised as "a brand new story that ties together the futures of the worlds depicted in Xenoblade Chronicles and Xenoblade Chronicles 2". That being the case, I don't think it was unreasonable to expect we'd get some kind of epilogue to the stories of the characters and worlds of XC1 and XC2 in 3. The base game, while excellent, scarcely told us anything about what happened to them except they communicated, built origin, and then were reborn. (And that Rex achieved gigachad status, I guess.)
So yeah, I say bring on an epilogue. Cram as much "fanservice" in as possible if it means a satisfying conclusion to the Klaus arc. I don't care if it's thematically consistent or not, I like happy endings and tying up loose ends. XC3 was just so light on details, come on Monolith just one line explaining why Nia is queen! One line explaining where the Nopon come from! One line about how off-seeing and the motes of light work!
Was literally just watching one of your Xenogears videos as this uploaded.
In the nintendo Vol interviews leading up to release, takahashi mentioned how xc3 is a 'thematic' end to the numbered games. And with the ending of 3, I would agree. Cuz of this, I think the DLC will be an actual physical end to the trilogy which is why they held back on fanservice in the base game. But doing an epilogue doesn't mean there can't be past stuff. As mentioned it could be playable flashbacks tho I was more thinking just flashbacks or lore dumps.
I also agree I want this dlc to be the finale to the perfect works stories not just cuz it fits but so we can move on to new things.
I think that the "future direction of the series" we'll get to see is Elma popping up out of nowhere, indicating an X remaster with a completed story and the announcement of X2 or Y.
I hope they don't make Riku too much of a big deal. I'm fine with him having the sword, it was passed down to him, it's the Melia nodding that has me thing they're going somewhere groan-worthy with that.
Except the fact that it's literally this game's Xenoblade. And he just has it. Sitting around.
Pipe dream prediction:
DLC is some kind of epilogue like you suggest. And then for our flashback, we go on a small tangent first.
I forget if it was the director or producer at the time, but basically one of the leads in charge of both Hyrule Warriors and Fire Emblem Warriors stated when asked if he could make any other Nintendo franchise into a Warriors game, he said Xenoblade.
Now how could you make this perfect fanservicey story with separate development time with maybe a slightly altered Canon just like Age of Calamity and Three Hopes did so you can both reflect the time period while not taking the continuity 100% serious? Give it to Omega Force. You already have two factions with armies and commanders in play, Keves and Agnus, a perfect format for all characters to be equally playable and fun with some possessing some unique mechanics (Ouroboros), and you can recreate the world with pre annihilation segments incorporated into their designs.
Massive speculation with only the thinnest of threads, but I wouldn't call it impossible. I love Warriors games, and I love XB, so trying to will this into existence is like selling blood to a vampire. XD
no matter what the result is, I really hope you will recall our names is in the dlc
The only thing that was unclear to me in the story was how Noah & Mio were able to stay in the cycle of rebirth. Once they became Mobius I thought they were permanently removed from the cycle so M & N should have been the last incarnations. That part was fuzzy to me as I didn't understand the game's explanation and it seems they were reborn due to a miracle. Really enjoyed your analysis Luxin! Keep up the good work!
M and N were their last reincarnations becoming Mobius, where they destroyed the City afterwards. N became it first, then brought M into it afterwards.
@@GrandChaseHotStuven but Noah and Mio also still remained in the cycle somehow regardless of that, and even past multiple instances of homecoming time prior to becoming moebius, and perhaps a few times after, too.
Yeah, that's something that I think can only be explained in an epilogue.
I am so curious, I'm sure time will pass quick enough for next December!
hopefully the main casts of the first 2 games are in it especially since nia hinted their still out there which by the way mythra and pyra are basically immortal like nya is and along with melia who can live for a long time plus it would be nice to see noah and his friends get to meet them and face off against the real threat that sent the fog king in the first one dlc story which i have the feeling is behind some of the events on 3 all we know Z was just a mere puppet to this big threat which would lead to a nice conclusion to the klaus saga.
instead of a torna length length DLC they could do two future connected length Stories one a prologue/prequel and one an epilogue.
My idea behind why it would be an epilogue is because of why Melia and Nia develop Origin. The idea of recreating the worlds prior to the collision is inherently fearing the unknown. What told the two of them the worlds would annihilate each other by colliding? I feel the ending of the game doesn’t conclude the theme of the game as reactivating origin does allow the future to progress, but it doesn’t allow it to progress into a true unknown as Nia and Melia couldn’t have been 100% certain the two worlds colliding would’ve ended in their destruction. Thus, the theme of the game hasn’t been fully realized and the initial reason behind Origin’s construction was an inherently Moebius concept of remaining in the now instead of marching into the future
It would've ended with their destruction, the idea being it's like two opposite matters coming together which causes an annihilation of both. The "annihilation events" are a symptom of it and are what happen when you interlink for too long.
In my opinion I feel like they will go with a prologue recycling some of the world places already made ( and fleshing out some of the holes with Origin and stuff related like Moebius Z, Ofsheering, etc) and they will gave us in the end a epilogue cutscene with Mio and Noah reuniting!!