MELKOR 3:22 the snake is a reference to Spartacus since he was from Thrace and his wife who was a prophetess saw one day that a snake had wrapped around the head of Spartacus while he slept. Instead of being scared she took it as a sign that Spartacus was destined to be enveloped by a great power (Rome) all this is according to Plutarch. ua-cam.com/video/mSsmtfhwUEo/v-deo.html
The Dacian symbol was taken from Trajan's column as a symbol found next to the Dacian Draco (which was a sign for the tribes of the Gatae etc...). This does not make it accurate, however, reveals a kind of origin.
The Scythian icon of the two hunters represents Gog & Magog who are seen as there founders in legend. I would have went with the white stag tho which was worship by them, and would fit the theme of sacred animals.
@@MrCount84 Gog and Mágóg have nothing to do with "Hebrew Mythology" the bible only reference them twice, once in ezikiel, which is referring to the invasion of Assyria and Judea in 613 BC. The Scythian mythos was common knowledge in the ancient world so the Hebrew people would be aware of there lore.
Melkor, the white stag is a very historical and mythological figure throughout Celtic and even into Medieval British history. I feel like your analysis of that really falls flat as you have to remember that none of these "states" were united and so these banners were fictitious anyway.
True, but it was a Medieval symbol, not Roman, so although I got it wrong in the video, I will still give it that same star rating. (Also, I researched into deers, not stags, my mistake XD)
@@MelkorGG The white stag is an omen in Celtic tradition (the Britannia faction is Celtic), then became Arthurian legend and Middle ages legend as well.
Yeah I remember as a kid playing Rome Total War, seeing Makedon have the Lambda, and going like "don't Spartans use it?" but it gave me a bit of confusion with my knowledge on history at the time since there were pikemen (thanks to Rome TW I used to think hoplites and pikemen were the same shit or something Idk) and looked "Spartan enough" for me to go like "maybe all Greeks had it, Idk." XD But yeah as I grew older I learned the Vergina Sun is the proper symbol for it. (I didn't have the Alexander expansion at the time to correct my assumptions, it was only up to Rome 2 when it came out I got to understand better) Despite these inaccuracies, I am happy Rome Total War was what got me to be a historian. I mean, initially was the movie 300 that started it all for me, but it only got me interested to get the game. Then it became the desire to learn about the factions and all that stuff as time went on. Rome Total war, despite it being inaccurate to many degrees, got most, if not all of us, into history. Amazing. I love this new series you're starting up, please continue. Keep it up! :)
Lol no, the Gen Brutii family drove out the kings, as many Brutes were part of the Swift Squadron of the King, and it was them who founded the republic. Brutus on the other hand was the man who stabbed Gaius Julius Caesar, Brutus was part of the Brutii family.
5:28 Maybe it symbolizes famous scythian friendship? For scythians, friendship was sacred, and they were ready to die for friend(though, "friends" is probably wrong word, maybe more correctly would be "sworn brothers").
That's not entirely true, the symbol can be "found" on Roman artwork of the Dacians. Hence why it was used, but it would make more sense to use the Draco, the sign of the Gatae, as that would follow suit with the Arverni's banner used for Gaul
@@theopinionator7196 I know what symbol you are talking about and it was put on the column out of ignorance not because it was ever used by the dacians. the Getae are the Dacians. Getae was the greek name, Dacii was the latin name, Daoi was the dacian name.
@@SirAdrian87 you cannot day any of that for certain as there is no proof either way. You even made an interesting point stating that the Gatae are the Dacians, however even that is up to debate by Historians as there is evidence to suggest the Gatae were just 1 tribe of many (it's like saying the Arverni were the gauls or the Iceni were the Brits). With Trojans Colomn of you read my standalone comment left on the video you will see I stated it doesn't prove its accuracy but you cannot prove that it wasn't used by the Dacians.
@@theopinionator7196 There is pelnty of evidence in the fact that the 3 concentric ring symbol does not appear in any dacian art or jewelry. It does appear frequently in gaul however. Yes the Dacians were split into tribes, but suggesting that the getae were just a tribe is based purely on a misreading of Herodotus. Moreover whnever we see the term getae used, mostly by Ovid, it always refers to entire northern thracian area (aka what we call the dacians). Comparing the dacians with the gauls is silly. For one they're documented by two completely different historiographal traditions. The romans made sure to write everything down meticulously, the greeks did not. The romans had a tradition of using tribal names or even names they made up when describing other peoples. The greeks used a one name fits all policy, which is why you had the emperor Basil II fighting Scythian armies and Justianian fighting the persians. For another tribal identity was never strong with the thracians peoples in general, so-much so that you can see extensive intermingling of the northern thracians aka the dacians and the various celtic, germanic and scythin elements., something that you do not see with the avernii or even the belgae. In fact it was the weak tribal identity that allowed Dacia to coalesce into the handful of kingdoms it had at the start of the game, and later on briefly coalesce into a single united entity.
the oak tree would have been perfect for the Britons considering the Druid religion. the oak tree is still used even to this day in emblems, symbols and logos of Druid societies. it's interesting about Spain and the bull. it makes sense that they'd have Egyptian and Phoenician culture considering their history. it was a noble Scythian Egyptian who led the Scythians to Iberia after he left Egypt and went to Syria, home of the Phoenicians (Carthaginians). they later migrated to Ireland and invaded Scotland, which is named after them the Scyths/Scots
The stag was highly revered by the Celts for its virility alongside the boar’s fighting spirit, so I always thought the stag was a good choice for Britain. However, as Britain was the base from which the Druids spread out to the rest of Western Europe through the Celts (there are actually ideas that the Druid Movement had been founded in Britain before the Celts arrived, and then the Celts spread it to Gaul and Celtiberia when they incorporated it into their tribal hierarchies - certainly the Druid movement was based in Britain regardless of its origins), either a triskelion (the symbol you pointed out in 6:03) or an oak tree would also have been good choices.
Boar was one out of 5 emblems the roman army used prior to the Marian reform happend in real time. Boar was the emblem worn by the mercenary armies made up from Gallic factions the romans qonquered in north italy after the 2nd punic war that later disbanded after going on an campaign. After the Marian reform the Eagle was the only emblem left out of 5 others that later became the emblem of rome, the Brutii faction emblem represents strength, the Julii emblem represents dictatorship and the Scipii emblem represents shame as Scipiios family lost alot of honor in Hispania durning the 3rd punic war, Africanus was the son of a consul that lost a huge battle and never fought alone without guidenss
3:22 the snake is a reference to Spartacus since he was from Thrace and his wife who was a prophetess saw one day that a snake had wrapped around the head of Spartacus while he slept. Instead of being scared she took it as a sign that Spartacus was destined to be enveloped by a great power (Rome) all this is according to Plutarch. ua-cam.com/video/mSsmtfhwUEo/v-deo.html
Hmm.. On the Iberian Penninsula at the time, the majority religion was celtic paganism, with obvoiusly local dieties (as is the case in all celtic paganism)
I think the Franks took their name from a battle tactic, which were throwing axes. Franks was a german tribe, so it makes sense the axe symbol of Germans.
Marcus Brutus was a friend of Ceasar. His mother was Ceasar's lover. Ceasar's last words were to Brutus as he lay dying on the floor, he said "you too my child?". To which Brutus stabbed Ceasar straight into the pelvic region through his genitalia. Ceasar pulled his toga up over his face to cover his shame as he died in excruciating pain at the hands of people he trusted. One of the men who stabbed him was listed as an heir of his, one had dinner with him the night before. I got really sidetracked here lol. Yeah the dagger is to represent how they killed Cesar.
They use the dacian symbol in 300 the movie for the Arcadian warriors shields and in clash of the titans they use the same shield for the Arglives,Arglives and the Arcadians lived around the same region so could the dacian symbol be a central greek symbol?
hmm maybe the german dragon referenced the dragon siegfried slayed, which is a very old germanic myth/legend which I believe is the germanic equivalent of hercules slaying medusa (this is just off my memory).
I have a different explanation for the sword/dagger of the brutii: Wasn't a Brutus also involved in the overthrowing of the last king of rome? I think that's how they got famous in the first place, so the sword could stand for this rebellion against the king.
Brutus is from the family gens Iunia. Which is also why the month June is named after his family, as July was named after Julius Caesar and August after Augustus.
More likely June is named after the gens Iunia which is named after Juno (Hera). Macrobius also says that many believed it named after Lucius Junius Brutus and Weinstock made an argument that this played a role for Julius Caesar to rename Quintilis after himself (and all the symbolism that it takes for him to be after Lucius Junius Brutus).
I dont really like the Symbol of the Germans in Rome Total war. I think rather either having a Hammer simmilar too Mjølnir since they did worthship a Thor like god, A figure holding a spear due depicting the Germanic god Wotan or better known as Odin. Or the Tiwaz rune as the god Tiwaz or Tyr was the two main Gods with Wotan in Germanic mythology. And if they still wanted too use the double headed axe they could have made a Scadinavian Faction since depictions from the Bronze age showed Big horned beings wielding double headed axes.
Very interesting video, thank you for your work. I'd be really interested in seeing something like this done for Barbarian Invasion. I've always wanted to know where the Slavic icon came from. Their weird dragon thing manages to look both slavic and viking-y at the same time. As for the RTW faction icons, I like most of them, except for the eagle on the SPQR logo. It kind of looks as if its tail was exploding.
Dacia was a no brainer in my opinion.I'm from the area of ancient dacia and everyone here knows the dacians used banners that had a wolfs head with a serpents body.Would've been a much better choice than what they actually went for
About the romans: The Scipii should have the "headwear" as the symbol of Africanus Scipio Cornelius was historically the headwear (because he achieved victory over Chartage), therefore on the roman coins he is always represented with "the headwear". Julii: They should have the Eagle as their symbol as it historically was originally the symbol of the Julius family. (It got adopted to represent Rome after Ceasar have taken Rome) The Brutii: The Brutus family was responsible for the demise of the Etruscan rule over Rome ("They drove out the kings. They made the Republic..."), therefore they used historically the Sword or Dagger symbol as the symbol of freedom and fighting against Tiranny. (This symbol can be found on Roman coins that are connected with the Brutus family) The Senate: They should have the wolf and an SPQR sign below as their symbol as that wolf (as you explained) was the symbol of Rome. (The Senate holds Latium and they are basically the Roman Republic, which used The wolf and Romanus and Remus as it's Symbol... Untill Julius Caesar didn't take over Rome, when he did The Eagle became the Symbol of Rome) I hope I gave you valuable information.
Not exactly, the Eagle was the Roman symbol way before Julius Caesar. Marius after his reforms made it also the sole symbol of the Legions and deprecated the Wolf, the Boar, the Bull, the Horse and the Minotaur. Also a better word for the Laurel Wreath would be headpiece.
@@mitsvanmitsvanio6106 Of course, the silver eagle was a roman military symbol , but it was also a symbol of the Julius family, my main point is that, it was not the symbol of Rome nor the Senate nor Latium untill Julius Caesar did not make it to be so. (The most common symbol of Rome, the senate and Latium was the Wolf with Romulus and Remus before Caesar grabbed the power)
The Wolf was the symbol of the city of Rome (again not exclusivelly) not necessary of the Roman Republic, definitely not exclusive of the gens Iulia, it was not a Coat of Arms. It was a religious symbol as well because it was a symbol of Jupiter (one would say that this is and the whole reason of the symbol to be used from the begging). It was a symbol among many of Rome, Senate, Latium and religion way before Caesar and way before Marius from the times of the Etruscans, the same as the Wolf and a plethora of other symbols.
@@mitsvanmitsvanio6106 I know. But there was no actual flag or coat of arms in those days, to actually represent a state, therefore as the Wolf represents Rome and Latium and the SPQR controls them I think this symbol would be the most fitting to them.
Well, germania means land of Spears, theur simbol should be a spear and they had tô have more units wearing Spears, clubs, simples swords for more expensive units, axes not to shore.
So, the "Spanish" although starting owning historical Celtic and Proto-Celtic settlements, are really only supposed to represent the Iberian tribes right? Because they seem to be entirely based on the Iberian traditions and have very little Celtic ones.
Jokes aside though, they’re all rubbish. The ‘Scipii’ were essentially a single family, were called the Scipionarios in real life, and had a scepter for their family symbol (duh). So by Melkor’s logic this would be a single star. The Julii, in turn, were a huge bloody lineage with a hundred different families in it. Gaius Julius Caesar, undoubtedly the best-known member of the lineage, used an elephant as his personal emblem, but considering that the name ‘Julii’ basically means something along the lines of ‘Sons of Jupiter’, the developers could have easily just slapped an eagle or a lightning bolt on their faction banner and called it a day. A laurel wreath is honestly a weird choice for the Julii. The Senate’s icon is wrong sort of purple and the font is just laughable, is that Arial or something? Doesn’t look Roman at all. The eagle is just plain ugly as well. The game’s ‘Brutii’ were referred to as the Bruti in real life, and were just like the Scipionarios but a single family in a huge lineage of the Junii. They used a whole bunch of different emblems through the ages, but universally favoured the images of their legendary progenitor Lucius Junius Brutus walking among three other statesmen, or simply Lady Liberty. Using the bloody statue you’re thinking about right now wouldn’t be as inaccurate as what CA did. Thrace could have easily been given an axe or a gesturing hand or a horseman, the snake thing is just lazy. Macedon… not much to comment here. Lambda is the Spartan emblem, not Macedonian. Nuff said. Lightning for ‘The Greek Cities’ is just lazy too; doesn’t look authentic and doesn’t even allude to any kind symbolism of any city that belongs to this faction in the game. The faction itself is a huge ball of wtf anyway though; it seems to be kind of centered around Sparta but Sparta wasn’t even a thing by 270 BC so they should have probably given all those cities to rebels, to represent minor independent entities the game’s ‘Greek Cities’ were in real life. For Scythia, there’s a plethora of historically accurate options to choose from: a simple and straightforward horse or horseman, a dragon, a griffin, a deer. Two guys with bows… Well, shit. Dacia - could have easily put a dragon there, actual Dacians would have loved it. Germania’s icon just screams ‘oOoOo, barbarians!’ with no actual connection to anything remotely Germanic whatsoever; anything else would have been better, even as simple as the rune Teiwaz. Or a swastika - I’m being dead serious here - ancient Germanic people did indeed decorate everything with it and it undoubtedly enjoyed a position of cultural significance in Germania. The Gaulish icon is probably the only one in the entire game that is kind of alright. The colour is wrong and it’s generally ugly, but at least Gauls actually identified themselves with an image of a boar. A boar is not the only historical option available but it’s fine; two or even three stars here. Iberians would often use a horse, a horseman, a two-headed horse. Rarer a boar or a bull. But when it was a bull it was a full body image, not just the head. Britannia - a horse. A white one. Really not much of a choice here. P. S. 7:42 ‘Minotaur’ isn’t a species btw, it’s a personal name that refers specifically to the creature killed by Theseus in Attic myth. A member of a species like that would have been called a ‘bucephalus’
I used something called a d3d8 file. If you search that you should find a link. (Or if you join my Discord then I may be able to send it through to you there - depending on the size of it.)
No, I said it was accurate for Illyria. Which was the original faction in the beta version. Until they were cut and so the devs, to save time, copy and pasted it over to Thrace. I said it was inaccurate for Thrace, but I was judging the symbol for Illyria, which was the faction it was made for.
buddy, sorry but not very well researched at all. You did not even talk about the Words contained in SPQR (senate and people of rome), the sword in the bruttii symbol is a gladius, and I believe that has to do with the Cornelii (forefathers of the bruttii) being partly responsible for the introduction of the gladiatorial games. I get it the idea for the video is a neat one, but... a little too amateur.
Definitely a lambda (capital). It was historically used for the Spartans, not the macedonians, referring to Lacedamon, the region in which Sparta is located. Αα - alpha Λλ - lambda
Just something I wanted to do for fun.
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Wow on the link between Iberian bull symbology and Carthage/Minoans
@@grantaum9677 lol I just commented about that. @Melkor Do it man!
@@seensurvivor3156 did not know about the Scythian/Iberian connection! Bloody love history
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MELKOR 3:22 the snake is a reference to Spartacus since he was from Thrace and his wife who was a prophetess saw one day that a snake had wrapped around the head of Spartacus while he slept. Instead of being scared she took it as a sign that Spartacus was destined to be enveloped by a great power (Rome) all this is according to Plutarch. ua-cam.com/video/mSsmtfhwUEo/v-deo.html
The Rebels in RTW have different icons depending on their location. It’d be interesting if you cover them as well.
^^^^ This. Please do it Melkor.
Yes
The Dacian symbol was taken from Trajan's column as a symbol found next to the Dacian Draco (which was a sign for the tribes of the Gatae etc...). This does not make it accurate, however, reveals a kind of origin.
Thanks for the info
And it could very well belong to one of the gaulish auxiliary cohorts used by trajan.
So it would have been more accurate to give the dacians the, let's say, Icon from the Sarmatians of the expansion?
Yea it's inaccurate since the game takes place long before Trajan was even born
They better make a rome 1 definitive edition with 4k graphics and new historical units and remodeled Spartans wearing bronze armor
There is nothing they can do that a mod didn't do already.
They are doing that
You got it homie
@@jcrosenkreuz5213 And it sucks.
They remastered it for you lol.
Ask and you shall receive :))
The Scythian icon of the two hunters represents Gog & Magog who are seen as there founders in legend. I would have went with the white stag tho which was worship by them, and would fit the theme of sacred animals.
Why does that sound like the orc religion in warhammer.
How is this connected with Hebrew Mythology
@@MrCount84
Gog and Mágóg have nothing to do with "Hebrew Mythology" the bible only reference them twice, once in ezikiel, which is referring to the invasion of Assyria and Judea in 613 BC. The Scythian mythos was common knowledge in the ancient world so the Hebrew people would be aware of there lore.
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Melkor, the white stag is a very historical and mythological figure throughout Celtic and even into Medieval British history. I feel like your analysis of that really falls flat as you have to remember that none of these "states" were united and so these banners were fictitious anyway.
True, but it was a Medieval symbol, not Roman, so although I got it wrong in the video, I will still give it that same star rating. (Also, I researched into deers, not stags, my mistake XD)
@@MelkorGG The white stag is an omen in Celtic tradition (the Britannia faction is Celtic), then became Arthurian legend and Middle ages legend as well.
*SLAM TWENTY THREE STAB WOUNDS*
this could be a very interesting series hope to see more.
When I was little, I thought the Julii symbol looked like a scorpion.
XD Well at least it does not take you until you are 21 to tell the difference between a Boer and a Bull. : )
MELKOR Boers lol guess those south africans are pretty thicc
@Melkor I think you mean boar - Boers were Dutch colonists in South Africa
A Scorpion?
KANE LIVES IN DEATH!
Yeah I remember as a kid playing Rome Total War, seeing Makedon have the Lambda, and going like "don't Spartans use it?" but it gave me a bit of confusion with my knowledge on history at the time since there were pikemen (thanks to Rome TW I used to think hoplites and pikemen were the same shit or something Idk) and looked "Spartan enough" for me to go like "maybe all Greeks had it, Idk." XD
But yeah as I grew older I learned the Vergina Sun is the proper symbol for it. (I didn't have the Alexander expansion at the time to correct my assumptions, it was only up to Rome 2 when it came out I got to understand better)
Despite these inaccuracies, I am happy Rome Total War was what got me to be a historian. I mean, initially was the movie 300 that started it all for me, but it only got me interested to get the game. Then it became the desire to learn about the factions and all that stuff as time went on. Rome Total war, despite it being inaccurate to many degrees, got most, if not all of us, into history. Amazing. I love this new series you're starting up, please continue. Keep it up! :)
Ancient Spanish people: *sees bull*
Also ancient Spanish people: “I could make a religion out of this!”
The british used a lot of blue dyes back in the day, just guessing thats why they used that color.
The Brutii is named after Brutus, the man who drove out the last king of Rome. It implies so in the faction introduction
Lol no, the Gen Brutii family drove out the kings, as many Brutes were part of the Swift Squadron of the King, and it was them who founded the republic. Brutus on the other hand was the man who stabbed Gaius Julius Caesar, Brutus was part of the Brutii family.
@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 You're really arguing over the case of the Latin name? And you're still wrong. Do you even know Latin?
@@matthewbrennan3127 umm no, I'm Italian and I'm learning Latin.
@@matthewbrennan3127 you clearly don't know history, the Brutus Family did drive out the kings, but it was also Marcus Brutus who stabbed Caesar.
@@thatwolfensteinguy8954 no kidding. What are we even arguing about?
For the Germanics, the axe was also the early (this period) weapon of Donar, who would become Thor.
5:28 Maybe it symbolizes famous scythian friendship? For scythians, friendship was sacred, and they were ready to die for friend(though, "friends" is probably wrong word, maybe more correctly would be "sworn brothers").
I loved the joke about Britain😂
The numidian symbol is very unaccurate, I think it's the eye of horus, an egyptian god
The Dacian faction symbol is complete fantasy. The Dacian banner was the draco. The synbol used for dacia is in fact a gaulish symbol of Toutatis.
That's not entirely true, the symbol can be "found" on Roman artwork of the Dacians. Hence why it was used, but it would make more sense to use the Draco, the sign of the Gatae, as that would follow suit with the Arverni's banner used for Gaul
@@theopinionator7196 I know what symbol you are talking about and it was put on the column out of ignorance not because it was ever used by the dacians.
the Getae are the Dacians. Getae was the greek name, Dacii was the latin name, Daoi was the dacian name.
@@SirAdrian87 you cannot day any of that for certain as there is no proof either way. You even made an interesting point stating that the Gatae are the Dacians, however even that is up to debate by Historians as there is evidence to suggest the Gatae were just 1 tribe of many (it's like saying the Arverni were the gauls or the Iceni were the Brits). With Trojans Colomn of you read my standalone comment left on the video you will see I stated it doesn't prove its accuracy but you cannot prove that it wasn't used by the Dacians.
Its shape resembles the ruined temples at Sarmisegetusa, the ancient Dacian capital, maybe that inspired the symbol.
@@theopinionator7196 There is pelnty of evidence in the fact that the 3 concentric ring symbol does not appear in any dacian art or jewelry. It does appear frequently in gaul however.
Yes the Dacians were split into tribes, but suggesting that the getae were just a tribe is based purely on a misreading of Herodotus. Moreover whnever we see the term getae used, mostly by Ovid, it always refers to entire northern thracian area (aka what we call the dacians).
Comparing the dacians with the gauls is silly. For one they're documented by two completely different historiographal traditions. The romans made sure to write everything down meticulously, the greeks did not. The romans had a tradition of using tribal names or even names they made up when describing other peoples. The greeks used a one name fits all policy, which is why you had the emperor Basil II fighting Scythian armies and Justianian fighting the persians. For another tribal identity was never strong with the thracians peoples in general, so-much so that you can see extensive intermingling of the northern thracians aka the dacians and the various celtic, germanic and scythin elements., something that you do not see with the avernii or even the belgae. In fact it was the weak tribal identity that allowed Dacia to coalesce into the handful of kingdoms it had at the start of the game, and later on briefly coalesce into a single united entity.
I think the dragon symbol for Germany in the beta version was reused in Barbarian Invasion for the Romano-British
Yeah, it was recolored too.
The berserkers don't have two-headed axes (in fact no unit in rtw vanilla has such a weapon) but warpicks, which makes them even less accurate...
the oak tree would have been perfect for the Britons considering the Druid religion. the oak tree is still used even to this day in emblems, symbols and logos of Druid societies. it's interesting about Spain and the bull. it makes sense that they'd have Egyptian and Phoenician culture considering their history. it was a noble Scythian Egyptian who led the Scythians to Iberia after he left Egypt and went to Syria, home of the Phoenicians (Carthaginians). they later migrated to Ireland and invaded Scotland, which is named after them the Scyths/Scots
what heresy are you spreading?
@@sauromatae9728 you spelt history wrong ;)
The stag was highly revered by the Celts for its virility alongside the boar’s fighting spirit, so I always thought the stag was a good choice for Britain. However, as Britain was the base from which the Druids spread out to the rest of Western Europe through the Celts (there are actually ideas that the Druid Movement had been founded in Britain before the Celts arrived, and then the Celts spread it to Gaul and Celtiberia when they incorporated it into their tribal hierarchies - certainly the Druid movement was based in Britain regardless of its origins), either a triskelion (the symbol you pointed out in 6:03) or an oak tree would also have been good choices.
Boar was one out of 5 emblems the roman army used prior to the Marian reform happend in real time. Boar was the emblem worn by the mercenary armies made up from Gallic factions the romans qonquered in north italy after the 2nd punic war that later disbanded after going on an campaign. After the Marian reform the Eagle was the only emblem left out of 5 others that later became the emblem of rome, the Brutii faction emblem represents strength, the Julii emblem represents dictatorship and the Scipii emblem represents shame as Scipiios family lost alot of honor in Hispania durning the 3rd punic war, Africanus was the son of a consul that lost a huge battle and never fought alone without guidenss
Also the double axe is usually used for barbarians in media and games
The symbol of Dacia looks like shit, which is a reference to the current car brand 😏😉
Ahh, I forgot. I was going to put that symbol instead of the real one to troll a bit. XD
@@MelkorGG and then having a piano fall on it
It's very interesting! After finishing RTW, Barbarian Invasion would be great, with all those Germanic symbols.
Regarding the Germania faction, one thing that their symbol could also be a reference to is Thor, who originally wielded a double sided axe.
Loved the video looking forward to more like this
Well the man who overthrew the kings was a Brutii so the sword emblem is a superb representation
3:22 the snake is a reference to Spartacus since he was from Thrace and his wife who was a prophetess saw one day that a snake had wrapped around the head of Spartacus while he slept. Instead of being scared she took it as a sign that Spartacus was destined to be enveloped by a great power (Rome) all this is according to Plutarch. ua-cam.com/video/mSsmtfhwUEo/v-deo.html
Hmm.. On the Iberian Penninsula at the time, the majority religion was celtic paganism, with obvoiusly local dieties (as is the case in all celtic paganism)
I think the Franks took their name from a battle tactic, which were throwing axes. Franks was a german tribe, so it makes sense the axe symbol of Germans.
The scythian one could have been better. They could have used the scythian deer
Headpiece would be more accurate word, but headgear isn't that bad.
Marcus Brutus was a friend of Ceasar. His mother was Ceasar's lover. Ceasar's last words were to Brutus as he lay dying on the floor, he said "you too my child?". To which Brutus stabbed Ceasar straight into the pelvic region through his genitalia. Ceasar pulled his toga up over his face to cover his shame as he died in excruciating pain at the hands of people he trusted. One of the men who stabbed him was listed as an heir of his, one had dinner with him the night before.
I got really sidetracked here lol. Yeah the dagger is to represent how they killed Cesar.
John Darcangelo 🙈🙈🙈 definitely not
They use the dacian symbol in 300 the movie for the Arcadian warriors shields and in clash of the titans they use the same shield for the Arglives,Arglives and the Arcadians lived around the same region so could the dacian symbol be a central greek symbol?
hmm maybe the german dragon referenced the dragon siegfried slayed, which is a very old germanic myth/legend which I believe is the germanic equivalent of hercules slaying medusa (this is just off my memory).
Very interesting
I have a different explanation for the sword/dagger of the brutii:
Wasn't a Brutus also involved in the overthrowing of the last king of rome? I think that's how they got famous in the first place, so the sword could stand for this rebellion against the king.
Brutus is from the family gens Iunia. Which is also why the month June is named after his family, as July was named after Julius Caesar and August after Augustus.
Juno
@@thinkwithurdipstick No. Juno is Jupiter's wife. Not a family name.
AudieHolland I’m aware. The month is named after Juno, as is the gens Iunia.
More likely June is named after the gens Iunia which is named after Juno (Hera). Macrobius also says that many believed it named after Lucius Junius Brutus and Weinstock made an argument that this played a role for Julius Caesar to rename Quintilis after himself (and all the symbolism that it takes for him to be after Lucius Junius Brutus).
I dont really like the Symbol of the Germans in Rome Total war. I think rather either having a Hammer simmilar too Mjølnir since they did worthship a Thor like god, A figure holding a spear due depicting the Germanic god Wotan or better known as Odin. Or the Tiwaz rune as the god Tiwaz or Tyr was the two main Gods with Wotan in Germanic mythology. And if they still wanted too use the double headed axe they could have made a Scadinavian Faction since depictions from the Bronze age showed Big horned beings wielding double headed axes.
2 stars - makes sence
3 stars - makes sense
this was good, definetly do another such video please
2:50 i laughed
Damn, the music in background reminds me old good times.
I think the Brutii symbol is the Roman sword.
Very interesting video, thank you for your work. I'd be really interested in seeing something like this done for Barbarian Invasion. I've always wanted to know where the Slavic icon came from. Their weird dragon thing manages to look both slavic and viking-y at the same time.
As for the RTW faction icons, I like most of them, except for the eagle on the SPQR logo. It kind of looks as if its tail was exploding.
So, when will you do Poland analysis in Medieval 2?
No clue when I will get to Poland. Doubt it will be in 2019, but should come round in 2020 :)
@@MelkorGG good to know, as it is one of this factions, that in one place is nicely pressented, and in other is wrong as hell
Great video!
Dacia was a no brainer in my opinion.I'm from the area of ancient dacia and everyone here knows the dacians used banners that had a wolfs head with a serpents body.Would've been a much better choice than what they actually went for
the dacia icon should have been a wolf
Please do Rome 2, I'll watch that 2 hour video
“But a dagger”. Yeah I liked that. I thought the sword was the most boring. My favorite are the Greeks and Macedonian.
The name of the "crown" was corona civica. Cheers!
funny how as an italian I understand its meaning
Landy its not funny since italian derrived from latin
@@MrTimurLP italians understand almost every word of latin, it's very similair
The greeks took the bull minotar and put it in there pagan faith they put the place in a far away place you know were the mythologjy took place
About the romans: The Scipii should have the "headwear" as the symbol of Africanus Scipio Cornelius was historically the headwear (because he achieved victory over Chartage), therefore on the roman coins he is always represented with "the headwear".
Julii: They should have the Eagle as their symbol as it historically was originally the symbol of the Julius family. (It got adopted to represent Rome after Ceasar have taken Rome)
The Brutii: The Brutus family was responsible for the demise of the Etruscan rule over Rome ("They drove out the kings. They made the Republic..."), therefore they used historically the Sword or Dagger symbol as the symbol of freedom and fighting against Tiranny. (This symbol can be found on Roman coins that are connected with the Brutus family)
The Senate: They should have the wolf and an SPQR sign below as their symbol as that wolf (as you explained) was the symbol of Rome. (The Senate holds Latium and they are basically the Roman Republic, which used The wolf and Romanus and Remus as it's Symbol... Untill Julius Caesar didn't take over Rome, when he did The Eagle became the Symbol of Rome)
I hope I gave you valuable information.
Not exactly, the Eagle was the Roman symbol way before Julius Caesar. Marius after his reforms made it also the sole symbol of the Legions and deprecated the Wolf, the Boar, the Bull, the Horse and the Minotaur.
Also a better word for the Laurel Wreath would be headpiece.
@@mitsvanmitsvanio6106 Of course, the silver eagle was a roman military symbol , but it was also a symbol of the Julius family, my main point is that, it was not the symbol of Rome nor the Senate nor Latium untill Julius Caesar did not make it to be so. (The most common symbol of Rome, the senate and Latium was the Wolf with Romulus and Remus before Caesar grabbed the power)
The Wolf was the symbol of the city of Rome (again not exclusivelly) not necessary of the Roman Republic, definitely not exclusive of the gens Iulia, it was not a Coat of Arms. It was a religious symbol as well because it was a symbol of Jupiter (one would say that this is and the whole reason of the symbol to be used from the begging). It was a symbol among many of Rome, Senate, Latium and religion way before Caesar and way before Marius from the times of the Etruscans, the same as the Wolf and a plethora of other symbols.
@@mitsvanmitsvanio6106 I know. But there was no actual flag or coat of arms in those days, to actually represent a state, therefore as the Wolf represents Rome and Latium and the SPQR controls them I think this symbol would be the most fitting to them.
For some reason when I was a kid I thought the Greek one is like a key hole
Well, germania means land of Spears, theur simbol should be a spear and they had tô have more units wearing Spears, clubs, simples swords for more expensive units, axes not to shore.
Part 2?
I tought you would be more evil with the stars lol
I think I will be in future, but they had such little room to work with in just that small icon, it is difficult to mark them down because of that.
Do you know why they made the Julii, the Scipii and the Brutii and not their historical names: Julii, Cornelii and Junii?
Try a faction icon for europa barbaroum
So, the "Spanish" although starting owning historical Celtic and Proto-Celtic settlements, are really only supposed to represent the Iberian tribes right? Because they seem to be entirely based on the Iberian traditions and have very little Celtic ones.
Yes, they are meant to represent the Iberian Tribes. Sometimes there is cross over, but they are there to be Iberians.
8:30 that happen in ancient crete to.. 😉
Connected to Europe, auwtch xD
Jokes aside though, they’re all rubbish. The ‘Scipii’ were essentially a single family, were called the Scipionarios in real life, and had a scepter for their family symbol (duh). So by Melkor’s logic this would be a single star. The Julii, in turn, were a huge bloody lineage with a hundred different families in it. Gaius Julius Caesar, undoubtedly the best-known member of the lineage, used an elephant as his personal emblem, but considering that the name ‘Julii’ basically means something along the lines of ‘Sons of Jupiter’, the developers could have easily just slapped an eagle or a lightning bolt on their faction banner and called it a day. A laurel wreath is honestly a weird choice for the Julii. The Senate’s icon is wrong sort of purple and the font is just laughable, is that Arial or something? Doesn’t look Roman at all. The eagle is just plain ugly as well. The game’s ‘Brutii’ were referred to as the Bruti in real life, and were just like the Scipionarios but a single family in a huge lineage of the Junii. They used a whole bunch of different emblems through the ages, but universally favoured the images of their legendary progenitor Lucius Junius Brutus walking among three other statesmen, or simply Lady Liberty. Using the bloody statue you’re thinking about right now wouldn’t be as inaccurate as what CA did. Thrace could have easily been given an axe or a gesturing hand or a horseman, the snake thing is just lazy. Macedon… not much to comment here. Lambda is the Spartan emblem, not Macedonian. Nuff said. Lightning for ‘The Greek Cities’ is just lazy too; doesn’t look authentic and doesn’t even allude to any kind symbolism of any city that belongs to this faction in the game. The faction itself is a huge ball of wtf anyway though; it seems to be kind of centered around Sparta but Sparta wasn’t even a thing by 270 BC so they should have probably given all those cities to rebels, to represent minor independent entities the game’s ‘Greek Cities’ were in real life. For Scythia, there’s a plethora of historically accurate options to choose from: a simple and straightforward horse or horseman, a dragon, a griffin, a deer. Two guys with bows… Well, shit. Dacia - could have easily put a dragon there, actual Dacians would have loved it. Germania’s icon just screams ‘oOoOo, barbarians!’ with no actual connection to anything remotely Germanic whatsoever; anything else would have been better, even as simple as the rune Teiwaz. Or a swastika - I’m being dead serious here - ancient Germanic people did indeed decorate everything with it and it undoubtedly enjoyed a position of cultural significance in Germania. The Gaulish icon is probably the only one in the entire game that is kind of alright. The colour is wrong and it’s generally ugly, but at least Gauls actually identified themselves with an image of a boar. A boar is not the only historical option available but it’s fine; two or even three stars here. Iberians would often use a horse, a horseman, a two-headed horse. Rarer a boar or a bull. But when it was a bull it was a full body image, not just the head. Britannia - a horse. A white one. Really not much of a choice here.
P. S. 7:42 ‘Minotaur’ isn’t a species btw, it’s a personal name that refers specifically to the creature killed by Theseus in Attic myth. A member of a species like that would have been called a ‘bucephalus’
Thrace is pronounced with the TH. Why do you say frace?
How do you get Rome to run without lagging on windows 10? Would greatly appreciate the help.
I used something called a d3d8 file. If you search that you should find a link.
(Or if you join my Discord then I may be able to send it through to you there - depending on the size of it.)
@@MelkorGG Is just having the d3d8 file downloaded enough? Or do I have to put it somewhere in the Rome folder? Thanks btw I appreciate the help.
It needs to be put ito he Rome Totl War folder.
It turned my game from about 3 fps to 20. I still have issues, but still, miles better
I was gonna like till he gave Thrace 3 stars. I disliked at that point. U said it’s not accurate for Thrace. Follow ur rubric
No, I said it was accurate for Illyria. Which was the original faction in the beta version. Until they were cut and so the devs, to save time, copy and pasted it over to Thrace.
I said it was inaccurate for Thrace, but I was judging the symbol for Illyria, which was the faction it was made for.
Did you get demonetized
nope. Why?
What accent is this omg, Manchester?
Yorkshire : )
@@MelkorGG Oh, i see
buddy, sorry but not very well researched at all. You did not even talk about the Words contained in SPQR (senate and people of rome), the sword in the bruttii symbol is a gladius, and I believe that has to do with the Cornelii (forefathers of the bruttii) being partly responsible for the introduction of the gladiatorial games. I get it the idea for the video is a neat one, but... a little too amateur.
small correction: The symbol you called lambda is actually an "A" in the greek alphabet, therefor its actually alpha, not lambda
No? If you search Lambda the upside-down V comes up. If you search for the Alpha symbol, it gives a weird a.
A greek alpha is written the same way as a english A lamda is just greek L
Definitely a lambda (capital). It was historically used for the Spartans, not the macedonians, referring to Lacedamon, the region in which Sparta is located.
Αα - alpha
Λλ - lambda
@@thinkwithurdipstick As someone learning Greek, this is correct.
Α is Alpha and Λ is Lambda, also for Spartan shields it means Λακεδαίμων after the mythical Spartan king that gave the region it's name.