Admiral Coles Last Stand | Lore and Theory | For Mike
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In this episode: We discuss Admiral Preston Coles Last Stand, and the theory that he survived his last actions, and the reasons behind why I don't believe that he did.
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There is one possibility that you missed: If the ship did jump, what's the likelihood that the drive was burned out, and the crew are currently in hibernation akin to the crew of the UNSC Spirit of Fire?
I support this,@Installation00 you should look into this
@@AnthonySmith-u2rWell I would like to support your theory, However, there's only one thing that would make a big difference between the UNSC spirit of fire and the UNSC Everest crew, that would be Forerunner technology had to been involved, Spirit of fire crew weren't spared Willy Neely, they destroyed a Shield world Full of Forerunner warships, even then they weren't teleported immediately, they were still a drift number of years before being transported to the ark.
@@Blitzkrieg23 that could also be a possibility as well
Just as likelihood he jumped into a star and turned into celestial dust.
Cole: gets one of the few happy endings in halo
Installation00: “absolutely not on my watch”
100% my boy Preston lived
100% bro
Uncontested
He is
Having that ship come back in an infinite dlc would've been cool lol
There could of been a time jump for him to end up at installation 07, which would be something i don't think we get.@CoffeeCrowgasm
It is mentioned that there is still uncertainty in those older drives within subspace, where ships sometimes show up before they left and sometimes months late. I wonder if the gravitation of the planet caused the ship to experience some sort of temporal anomaly and become displaced in time, leading to a situation where Admiral Cole and this ship will reappear at some point in the series.
Valid points.
Let's not forget that when Coke was stationed on the CMA Season of Plenty, he'd managed to create a new way to calculate slipspace input parameters.
Not to mention, he had more than 1 AI with him during the battle. 1 of which had not been activated at that time.
Given numerous events in Halo between his disappearance and infinite's campaign, humanity had been stretched thin throughout the galaxy.
He also said he wanted to look up at a sky of unknown stars.
Perhaps because of the complex nature of that particular slipspace jump, it irreparably damaged the engines and some other systems to the point where Cole and his crew were basically stranded at wherever they ended up. Or maybe a causal time dilation event could have happened where Cole ends up skipping a decade or two. Or maybe they found and got trap in one the Forerunner shield worlds that were in slipspace rather than real space. Or a combination of other possibilities that could explain his potential survival yet absence.
Let's be honest here. Cole's fate is the exact same as Noble 6, they're both hanging out in a cave on Reach
Edit: guys, it's a joke calm yourselves
Which means still dead.
Noble 6 is dead, move on
It is possible that ONI has found out about Cole’s survival, but currently doesn’t have the resources to deal with it, and doesn’t want to mobilize anything until they are sure they can do so discreetly. It is in operating procedure for ONI to act this way.
If only we could just export straight to the Domain! I do hope the frame rate issue gets sorted soon, and thank you for continuing to cover topics in detail.
I've wanted to learn more about Cole as a person.
Master Chief and Noble 6 are the absolute GOATs when it comes to "boots on the ground" style warfare.
Admiral Preston Cole was the absolute GOAT of outright Naval warfare.
Change my mind.
-and yes, the framerate is also not great on this, but appreciate you addressing it-
*Also, another thing to consider: what if ONI knows where Cole and the crew of the UNSC Everest currently are, and decided that letting them settle down was an acceptable loss? The UNSC not only tried to sweep Cole under the rug, but actively decided to use him as a potential scapegoat. Regardless of his prestige as a naval officer, Cole's time was running out. The UNSC wasn't shy about losing ships to the Covenant, and considering Cole's fleet retreated after doling out MASSIVE losses to the Covies, and the fact that Cole DOUBLED that number with a single ship, it stands on merit that they saw the Everest as an acceptable loss, regardless of its final fate or destination. If Cole escaped, ONI knows, and they won't go after Cole. He served his purpose, and it'll honestly be too much trouble to pursue him.I telligence agencies in the real world have done that with less honorable men.*
If ONI went after him and tried to disown him, it would like Stalin trying to get rid of Marshall Zhukov: it would not end well. Cole was a hero of such high regard, High and Nav com especially would welcome him home as one. it would lead to an out right civil war in the branches and ONI itself (mainly everyone vs ONI) if any particular member of decide to try.
I mean I might agree with this but the belicose had performed the exact same slip space jump in a gas giants atmosphere and it was even older than the tech Cole had when he did it.
Personally, I'm still 50/50. But my gut is saying this was all a plan years in the making to potentially save humanity and he made it.
Sounds like you're assuming they escaped and just went back to the colonies under their real names, which I agree would be idiotic.
But reading the books, it sounds more like he was in contact with his wife the entire time. He learned she was living on a colony FAR outside UNSC control, and, more importantly, FAR outside the Covenant.
So he spends a few years fighting his best, seeing the war will likely be lost, and decides to do what he can to save something of the human race.
He built a crew who was hand picked to be willing to go out into the void to keep humanity alive. He developed a method for pulling it off, and put himself into a position to pull it off. Then, he pulled it off.
Afterwards, he and his crew joined his wife and went out into space to build a colony far enough out that neither the Covenant or UNSC would find them anytime soon.
I've actually been expecting for years for a Halo book or game to feature their rediscovery akin to the Clans in Battletech. Just a lost tribe who vanished one day to save humanity and built a culture in the far reaches of the galaxy.
I love the armour he has. So often in mil-sci or even just sci-fi, flag officers wear some fancy variant of the primary uniforms. This depiction imo, can reinforce the 'desk jockey' stereotype of higher ranks sitting in their safe comfy rooms while the grunts and lower officers do the real work.
In this rendering, Cole has very solid looking sort of chest/groin protection and some pauldrons for some reason. (Looking hard is its own justification,no?😊)
This is a man who understands the threats he might face and has every intention of surviving to help his people, while still placing himself in potential danger.
And the Cole protocol is named for him, a very hard policy made necessary in the face of anihillation
The man was from Missouri. I'm surprised he didn't have a sidearm on him
@@KillerOrca If he was an Alaskan he would have had DMR :D
I remember reading that story with Cole. Didn't he use a heavily damaged UNSC ship that was supposed to be scraped and had it towed to that campaign and used it as a big mine when the fleet retreated? Also he asked for a new Smart AI for his ship and ask for the transfer of personal that were once most former rebels joining the UNSC to help fight the Covenant?
Love to see you do a battle breakdown of all the battles of the human covenant war
They jumped to Noble Six's cave, that's how they've stayed hidden the whole time.
Oh man I completely forgot about those live action reach trailers. Opened up memories I didn’t know existed.
He survived, he’s on a beach under a different name, I seen it.
Admiral Cole is up there with the likes of Samantha Carter from the Stargate universe. She made a star go supernova to obliterate an entire Goa'uld fleet 😂🤘
This is honestly an example of IRL writing conventions outweighing in-universe logic. Cole lived because the possibility was discussed. If the authorial intent was that Cole died, then the story wouldn't have broached the question.
Just listened to this audiobook again, perfect timing!
His survival would be a fitting middlefinger to ONI and their distrust.
I forget how it's worded but the short story does mention that Cole thought of starting over by fleeing earth to start his own colony or abandoning the UNSC to what looked like their inevitable defeat. He would start over in a new far away system or galaxy, basically continuing the human species where the covenant didnt exist or were to far away to be a problem. I think that was his goal, and he planned it out that way. I think he's out there, any even if just one voice objected, though i imagine way more did, they simply couldn't do anything about it. Cole and crew weren't just putting on a fake mustache and hoping no one would recognize them. They were basically a colony ship, leaving earth, colonies, and humanity to start over some place so far away no one could ever go back. As far as the slipspace being impossible, stranger things have happened. For example, when cortana did her first jump in atmosphere like you metioned, where she found out how much more advanced covenant jump tech was. She also discovered that the covenant had a very gross understanding of their own plasma cannons, and she was able to quickly upgrade them to make them much more efficient and lethal. I'm sure if any covenant weapons expert was told that their cannons were half of what they could be, they'd deny that and reafirm that the plasma cannons are as advanced as they could be with the current tech.
One of my favorite short stories from Halo. I'd like to think he's out there somewhere on an Outer Colony planet licking his wounds, gathering forces, and making a militia to protect what he loves.
Even if he's dead, he'll live on!
There's a few possibilities: the ship made the jump, but Cole was KIA during guerilla action against Covenant forces attempting to return to the UNSC, the ship made the jump, and the exit point was outside of UNSC space, or far into the future, or past, or the ship didn't make the jump and he died a hero--but ultimately the Covenant had an obstacle removed for the rest of the war.
I don't know... the way the source material is written I think he made it. I mean, I don't disagree with anything in particular you've said here, but I've always felt that one of the central themes of Halo is hope in the face of impossible odds. Call it "metagaming" or whatever the more general narritive equivalent might be, but I think he made it. Not that I think we'll ever get a definitive answer, nor should we IMO, but he found a way to give the covenant a serous beating and retire in a way that gave him everything he wanted. Even if the slipspace jump wasn't a guarantee, I'd have taken those odds every time.
If you think ONI and the UNSC would admit that the Great War hero Admiral Cole did this in War Time you’re nuts. They would cover it up and never let it be known by anyone because of the massive loss of morale this would cause. Just like it would happen and does happen in real life with heroes of this stature. He’s too important to let this possible truth ruin all that he did and inspired your successors to do.
I’m not saying that he actually did it but if he did they would cover it up so fast and thoroughly no one would know it.
Nah. There were reports of unusually affective skirmish atttacks against the covenant in the area
Even if he and his crew did survive I'm fairly certain it would have resulted in a crash landing shortly after exiting slipspace on some uncharted planet with zero contact from the outside galaxy. There is almost no way you could have calculated a perfect slipspace jump under those conditions especially on a much older ship utilizing older hardware. And even if such a jump was made I doubt the Everest and her crew would have been completely unscathed after the fact.
Heh, this makes me want to go read the story of Joshua "Lagrange" Calvert again. Thanks for your work, bruv. o7
Gotta love how it's usually navy guys who got the highest K/D ratios in halo. (Excluding grey team) Cole has the admiration of humanity and had more space victories against the Covenant but Vice Admiral Wittcomb is technically responsible for the deletion of Joyous Excaltation and hundreds of Covenant ships post mortem. All this after his involvement with tricking hundreds of Covenant ships to their doom with Unyielding Heirophant! (Very likely inspired by Cole's last stand) We need some actual lore on the number of deaths on both sides during the war. (Don't count the hunter species since that number could get ridiculous)
if somebody told me that some of the crew had been spotted or returned and oni had just hidden all of it away, i'd believe it
Idk why, but I always love UNSC uniforms, always looks cool.
I also am not a big believer that he survived primarily because of his crew. However i did come up with an idea watching this video how he could have gotten past them. If he pumped up the nitrogen levels and lowered the oxygen in the areas of the ship with crew whose loyalty to him was in question it would put them to sleep, they then could have put those either in cryo or under some kind of arrest. This doesnt get past breathers but the number of people with quick access to those may have been manageable. Its either that or he would have had to evac all the air in those sections and straight up kill his crew. Which given how he managed losses on the battlefield i dont think we can put past him.
The man is a goddamn war hero.
If the crew unanimously defected, that's a great book or game story opportunity
Cole had a great kill ration haha honestly Cole is easily one of my favorite characters. In the end we probably will never get a firm answer but a man as smart as he was I don't see it being far fetched. Also the galaxy is a big place. Also Cortana pulled the same thing off in a covenant ship. So let the man have his happy ending lol.
The flash clone children's life story... the species that said hi before the halos fired... now Cole and the brutal truth behind the fantasy?
What's next?
Anything is possible. Cole was a genius
Genius level intellect can save you from possibilities, However, impossibilities are not avoidable.
@@Blitzkrieg23 dumb luck then? 😂
@@matthewarcher3024 I suppose, With 89.7 percent possibility, however the only other way Cole would have survived, Just like how the UNSC spirit of fire was slipspace into the ark, Mendicant bias would have teleported the UNSC Everest away, Although they weren't any forerunner Dyson sphere around.
@@Blitzkrieg23 very true
Here's a theory. This is based on the "physics" from the Stargate SG-1 universe. In an episode they blow up a star to make it go supernova. This energy propels them ridiculously far outside the known galaxy. What if that's what's happened. They survived but are now adrift. Hoping to be rescued.
If James Cutter and his crew can come back from 30 years MIA then anything is possible
Preston Cole and his ship traveled back in time and became the Meddlers 🤯🤯🤯
I’m not the Mike this is for…but I love it nonetheless!
Also, you’re not the only Halo UA-camr with the weird frame rate. I watched both an Exhardt’s Ladder and MintBlitz video in the past two days and theirs was also jittery. So, no worries there
Don't know if it's related but my phone had this video at 480p until you mentioned it and I changed it to 1080p.
Surived to make thr jump, died upon re-entry
Cole:Here comes the sun!
At some juncture during this complex battle, could Admiral Cole’s ship have commandeered a jump engine from one of the destroyed Covenant ships? And could Admiral Cole’s ship be lost in slip space? Would potentially explain both how his ship managed such a complicated jump and the subsequent absence of he and his crew.
There's no way he had a Covenant drive (simply no time to figure it out and work it with his ship, even if he did actually physically have one), and being lost in Slipspace is more than likely impossible. Shaw-Fukikawa drives just drop you out of Slipspace when a failure occurs. Though, human drives are known to occasionally act... oddly, so maybe.
The "happy ending" is the worst possible outcome tbh.
It would mean that he abandoned his comrades and nation in their fight against extinction, just to chill with his lady, while innocents are bing murdered in their millions. It would completely ruin his character imo.
Another settlement needs your help, i'll mark it on your map
Even if the ship did survive a tragic martyr of a questionable hero is a better story and I'm certain I don't even fix it lol
What if it was the Forerunner super AI we seen it happen before with the spirit of Fire
Did you try to reupload the video file and see if there was a difference? If no, could be the file yet or something else. If yes, then it's UA-cam.
I noticed that on youtube if you use stats for nerds it says the video was only uploaded at 15fps. When I set it to 1080p that's what it says the frame rate is. Perhaps try uploading recordings at 30fps in a 60fps container, maybe that will fix it.
Nah, that's what he wants you to think. Cole had it all planned, before the battle even started!
Did you know there are 5 Spartans who we have no info on but were active alongside the main body of the Spartan IIs? No new lore, just a numbers game.
Of the 75 Spartan IIs: 33 were “Successes”, 12 were “Wash-Outs,” and 30 were “Deceased.” Those titles are deliberately misleading, as we know of 5 “Deceased” who are just fine: Serin-019 and Black Team. They were simply hidden from the main body of the Spartans by ONI.
Now, Halsey was of the opinion that the main body learning half their family was alive and kept hidden from them would result in the Spartans rebelling, and ONI seemed to agree, so let’s assume that prior to the end of the Human-Covenant War that none of them were informed of their secret brethren.
During Operation: RED FLAG, we have a headcount for all remaining Spartans in the main body:
30 in service,
3 “too distant to recall” (Grey Team),
1 “too injured to continue service”,
3 killed in combat in the last decade (Solomon, Arthur, & Daisy, given Chief witnessed all of these),
3 lost with the Spirit of Fire (Red Team),
And 2 lost earlier in the war: Samuel and Kurt.
That comes to 42 Spartans.
If all the Wash-Outs were re-augmented, the maximum size of the main body of the Spartans would be 45. However, we know 3 were not as of 2552: Cassandra, Soren, and Musa.
So, 42 Spartans. Looks like Kirk, Rene, & Fhajad got better after all. Yay.
Now, this does mean we can count some Spartans from the “Deceased” category who the main body never learned about.
Cal-141, Joseph-122, & Sheila-065 were killed in action, but could not be recorded to the main body.
Maria-062 & Jorge-052 were in service in 2552 but not brought to RED FLAG, despite the desperation of the maneuver.
Now, of those 30 at RED FLAG, we have a pretty solid Headcount.
Blue Team (3)
John, Linda, & James.
Red Alpha (3)
Fred, Kelly, & Joshua.
Red Beta (11 (5 healthy, 6 injured)
(UNK count)
Red Gamma (3)
Li, Anton, & Grace.
Red Delta (6)
Isaac, Vinh, & Will
Killed in Crash (4)
Malcolm-095 + 3
Now, let’s play nice and assume all other names Spartans were here filling out those empty slots:
Fhajad, Rene, Leon, Robert, August, Naomi, Keiichi, Riz, Kai, Vannak, & Carris. Some of Red Beta and Red Gamma survived the Fall of Reach via the pelican Iron Fist and possibly other ships in the area, so we can shuffle Naomi & Omega Team in those groups.
That still leaves 5 Spartans who have no names who must have either been recovered Wash-Outs of part of the Successes and we’ve never seen hide nor hair of them.
Here's my theory: ONI being the paranoid doomsday preppers they are want to raise a shadow fleet of unsc ships for sketchy ONI reasons. What better way to do this than to make Big Navy think that they lost a ship with all hands when in fact, the ship and crew survived. Now with the vessel officially declared lost with all hands, It and the crew would be stricken from the roster and ONI would have a warship and crew that they can use at their discretion.
I realize this is a long shot. But if anyone could pull it off, I think it'd be ONI.
I have no evidence for this. It just popped in my head.
I can see Cole wanting to be with his wife and child, but the man isn't built to desert in the middle of a war
While I agree on your conclusion about the man's demeanor as a soldier, and that him acting in such a cowardly manor would be hard to believe, I am forced to disagree that he could *never* have pulled off the jump.
Given that he was inspired to attempt such a maneuver by the same, successful exploit made by his wife in the Bellicose, I would almost side with the AIs that performed the study in '52. By all counts, he should have been far more capable at performing such a a risky maneuver considering he had the potential for decades worth of refits to the Everest to either modernize or replace the older FTL drive with something superior.
The way I perceive this is that, instead of receiving the favorable outcome the calculations predicted, Cole simply got dealt the single digit percentage that resulted in the loss of his crew, his ship, and the loss of humanity's greatest naval commander.
Psi Serpentis was either an errant stroke of bad luck in what was the UNSC Navy's greatest victory or simply the moment Preston Cole's luck ran out.
Ok ok hear me out. What if he did make the jump but it was random. And when they come out of slip the drive is trashed beyond repair. That puts them in a similar situation as the spirit of fire...and knowing how coincidence works in halo...I would say the odds are high that they meet up after halo wars 2.
How strange that the framerate lowers like that when it technically shouldn’t.
Also, hell yeah, gimme some Cole!!
Actuality: he got translated into warp and isekaied into WH40k universe
The framerate thing is a youtube downrate. My opinion, but it happens on most other videos with full motion videos that I view.
cutter is my favourite from halo, but i realy like cole, he is one of my favourite from halo.
i agree with you i think cole fell, in the battle.
He jumped into a star
What's some of the animated shorts in this video? I have halo legends, but some of these with the spirit of fire and other heavily animated clips look awesome and I'd love to watch them and add to my collection.
Edit- I should have been specific, my bad. Like 5:33-5:47, what's that from?
There from the video game halo wars 2 and halo reach (I think)
i know this is just Thoerys but if one did get away from the ship wouldnt the ONI also capture the traitor who wanted to return to active Duty? i mean they do have alot of hidden Serects that still not release to the pubilc heck they could of got the info of where Cole is out of him or her and keep an eye on him until they need Cole once again.
You forgot one thing:
Plot armor.
You say this when chief was sent to a shield world in half a ship... Theyre out there somewhere on some spirit of fire nonsense
Who said anything about him being in a UNSC Colony.
The galaxy is a large place, and considering his time in the hibernation pods and 26º century medicine.
How said anything about living out the rest of his days.
What I don’t understand is that why is your intro at a choppy framerate? Is it a design choice?
Admiral Preston Cole didn’t die. God just told him he was retiring and he wanted him to take his place
Within the first 5 minutes of this video, Cole commits a War Crime.
oof
Edit: At least it's acknowledged in universe that's what he did
maybe try switching file formats?
Belerophon. Not belleforon...
Named for the greek hero that defeated the Chimaera.
I think it would be cool if Cole turned up after being thrown through slipspace to a far off planet and only returned after Infinite.
But I do think he’s dead.
throw him into the past and you have a way to retcon the entire series.
Or he's stranded on the other side of the galaxy far from any known territory, and he still probably died
So, what you're saying there's a chance
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
hope we dont have a fallout, fallout new vegas
truth is, the game was rigged from the start
Yes
ONI easily could have sweep it under the rug. I would not be surprised.
They would have, however, Cole is too valuable to the war effort to be a farmer in the outer colonies chilling while the rest of humanity is dying off.
@@Blitzkrieg23 yes but you forget. ONI already sent him on death missions. he was brought out as a way to get the 'fallen' hero to be killed off. maybe they used this as a way to finally get rid of him? nice thought to have cole of farming with his wife
Oh hey, so if you would like some tech support for you upload frame rate issue, I might have a few ideas. Send me a direct message if interested
who knows mabey he slip spaced at the same time the gas gaint exploded releasing exotic matter causing cole and his crew to actually time jump
because of a unforseen outcome of the gas gaint with his solos and scenes infinitely is destroyed it time jumps through space to zeta halo lol 😂
I think that the devil is in the details: The AIs calculated the chance that he might have jumped away. But there are some observations to be made. Firstly, if they managed to jump there is no garantuee that they made it out, only that they managed to enter slipspace, that is the wording of the AI.
Secondly there is the little fact, that probability means nothing for a single case or a single individual. To quote and paraphrase Scrubs here real quick: Ten percent of complicated cancer patients survive, 95 percent of all pancreas operations go well. And yet we know of cases of complicated cancer patients who survived just fine and of pancreas patients who sadly passed away. So the chance of Cole surviving basically boils down to 50/50: He survived or he didnt. Percentile probabilities are useful in larger numbers and studies, but for this one singular thing, its not really important at all.
ONI would like to know your location...
Glassed planets have bad records.
Official Lore states Cole survived. He survived. I have to disagree with this video
Massive coping in the comments
First again buddy
Were it so easy
Tell that to the Covenant
@@madjacktheafkcipherit was. I was first :) you can be next time maybe buddy
Unsubbed. Clearly an ONI propagandist.
Brown dwarf stars can't melt Titanium-A battle armor!
"1.5km long warship, where do you hide that?" An oort cloud probably, given that the UNSC were able to hide the construction of the Inifinity in one.
It's possible that he did complete the jump, but that the shock wave in slipspace caused by creating a new star tore the ship apart during the jump. Alternatively it could have caused the ships slipsace engine to burn out mid jump, throwing them out of slipspace into a random unchartered region of space with no way for them to get home
Literally anywhere, because space is huge.
@@amdkillaplays so he's floating out there spirit of fire style in cryo? new head canon for me anyway
Cole has always had my favorite backstory and final stand, dead or alive his story ends with him detonating the core of a Star against a covenant battlegroup
I think you have forgotten how big space is. The innies amassed a huge fleet and somehow ONI didn’t know about it? That only means they have set up their own colony away from the UNSC controlled space.
ONI wasn't aware of the planet of human and former covenant living together either. It's definitely possible.
@@mattstorm360 , which planet, Vanessa or Goa? because Vanessa only got ex Covenant post-war and i am not sure if any ex covenant live on Gao
Chekovs gun, it seems unlikely that his wife would randomly show up and disappear if they didnt have something planned
This. He went with his gal
Cortana being a more advanced AI and only succeeding when using a more advanced Covenant ship isn't convincing me. Cortana did it on the fly, whereas Cole arranged and planned it ahead of time. Imagine it as a game engine - Cortana is a new model that can render things on the fly, but Cole was making do with prerendered cutscenes lol.
That only makes me feel more confident that Cole was a forerunner to Cortana in their achievements.
@17:45 I just realized that it was Cortana’s new slipspace calculations that the prophet of regret used to flee New Mombasa later on.
Cortana :"Oops"
Not only was Cortana the first human in-atmosphere slipspace jump, she even beat the Covenant to it. It was only because an AI witnessed her doing it and fed that info back to the Covenant that the Prophet of Regret was able to pull off the same maneuver on Earth
Its not that it can’t be done its just that the UNSC doesn’t do it because the results are catastrophic lol thats why you see a massive shockwave leave the ship when it jumps and sends everything flying in H2
I got to admit, I tend to think Cole did get his happy ending. However the argument that Installation00 makes is logical. While the odds are long, I think I will hold on to Cole and Lyrenne getting their happy ending. Well done and really enjoyed this video!
Cole is dead... until Eric Nylund writes another Halo book
@@quentinking4351 I enjoyed his books so much. Switching to the author who followed him was jarring.
Bro lived, simply built different