Scorpion - Most Detailed Breakdown
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- In this episode: We give the M808 Scorpion Main Battle Tank the Most Detailed Treatment!
0:00 Introduction
2:25 Channel News
3:22 Patreon Perks
3:45 Discord Competition Giveaways
4:00 Most Detailed Breakdown
6:04 Chassis
8:45 Engine
10:06 Armor Plating
14:23 Armament
19:24 Internal HCI Systems
21:43 Variants
27:02 Conclusion
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"Why are there six pedals if there are only four directions?" - Private Michael J Caboose, Blood Gulch, Alpha Base
wasnt it Griff who said that? Since he was the one who drove
@@Prod.Nembutai Grif has a similar line in Season 7 in regards to an Elephant, but the original was Caboose.
@@Prod.Nembutai Negative. Yes Grif tends to drive many vehicles but he never got to operate a tank. However, Grif at one point replicated this joking line when trying to drive an Elephant in Season 7, Chapter 12 - Well Hello, saying; "Why are there four levers if there are six directions?"
Also:
Epsilon: "Caboose was very specific about that second f."
Grif: "Okay, now that's another thing!"
Firing main Cannon
"When I joined the Corps, we didn't have any fancy-shmancy tanks. We had sticks! Two sticks, and a rock for the whole platoon - and we had to share the rock! Buck up, boy, you're one very lucky Marine!" -SGT. Major Avery Johnson
Not to forget "oh I know what the ladies like"
Finally I read a comment that labels Johnson as his correct rank! I have read hundreds of other comments where they just call him a Sgt. He's a bloody Sergeant Major!
"I get to drive the float" one of the BEST lines ever
My guess:
Two sticks - rocket lauchers
A rock - ammo crate since it's a platoon and they to make it count.
Well Johnson you join as a frickin Orion so shut up
Some scorpions even use marines as supplemental reactive armour.
Or supplemental reactive artillery when all armed with SPKR's
The Russians have been doing it since 1940
@Sergeant Marcus Stacker Wrong comrade, all Russian tanks protected by Stalinium armor which protect from all incoming capitalist and fascist shell
@Koloraider
Unfortunately for the Gopniks, Imperialist Cheese shells are more than capable of penetrating both the Reactive Comrade Shield & Stalinium hull itself
@@Peter_Turbo4 the USSR doesn't have the blessing of the Omnissiah. They would stand no chance against the Machine God's chosen.
Scorpion: Has a high bypass turbofan engine.
also the scorpion: sounds like a ford transit van idling.
Underrated comment
Strangest jet engine I ever heard
maybe like the Abrams it uses a normal piston operated generator when idle, though that is (i think) diesel fueled and the scorpion probably just uses hydrogen
*Gas turbine
I agree
Imagine being a marine. On a planet. Your fighting an Unknown enemy. You never seen them before. You’re retreating as fast as you can.
You hear the rumble of a scorpion. Thank god. You run around the corner, expecting the Calvary. Only you realize something isn’t right. To your horror, you realize it’s under flood control.
*the musics goes from Sabaton "Winged Hussars" to Eldritch Horror*
@Chuck Ginther BA DA DA DAAAA
Qardo they are swarming out that flood like hive da nanbanana
Quote from Grasslands: "Best is to safe to last bullet for one self." - Corp. Vaz Ballroy
Tank beats everything, but even a tank can’t fight against the floods control
Usually the Good Lord works in mysterious ways, BUT NOT TODAY, this here is 66 tons of straight up, HE spewin’, divine intervention. If God is love, then you can call me cupid!
"What about that Scarab?"
The masterchief is going take this tank and blow up any inhuman sob dumb enough to get between him and prophet of regret
@@arkhamknight9001 we've all run the simulation there tough but they ain't invincible stay with the masterchief he will know what to do
@@mattmc9812 "Yes sir, Sgt!"
BACK IN MY DAY WE DIDNT HAVE NO FANCY SHMANCY TANKS WE HAD 2 STICKS AND A ROCK FOR THE WHOLE PLATOON... AND WE HAD TO SHARE THE ROCK
“The turbine is nearly identical in design to a modern jet turbine engine.”
Me: desperately tries not to think of a Scorpion with a jet engine rocketing it forward
FLYING SCORPIAN
I can just imagine the grunts pissing themselves when the see it coming towards them
Like a batmobile scorpion, big jet engine to give a giant speed boost blasting at you
It's similar to the M1 Abrams tank.
Curse you. I can't unsee it now. XD
I feel bad for the amount of marines sat on the side I've accidentally killed
Ikr it might been hundreds of marines getting ran over in halo ce
when you accidently shot one with the main gun
Thank god kat died before the scorpion mission
@@W_O_L_F_666 ran over??? You only had to tap them lol
Or got blown off by the few times a wraith got it's one shot.
Scorpion: Exists
Grizzly: Hi there my little brother
Double the barrels double the fun
The Grizzly is the the Spartan-II of the Scorpions
@@alexisbaz8746 Warthogs (Rokect, Gauss, Chain, etc) are Marines
Scorpions are ODSTs (I guess?)
@@endy8411 but Scorpions are slower, ODST's are better marines in every way, is not the same xd
@@alexisbaz8746 I was thinking more along the lines of firepower and overall performance etc
You forgot to mention the biggest improvement of the m820 scorpion.
It replaced the 90mm gun with a 150 mm ETC (Electro Thermal Chemical) gun. ETC guns offer improved performance and greater consistency of the fired rounds performance when compared to standard tank guns.
The M820 Scorpion is an overall more realistically-accurate evolution to the Scorpion tank platform with a turret that not only looks more logical and even has a crew hatch that could fit MG platform for better firing arcs (and spare the poor gunner the inevitable hearing loss due to being put so close to the muzzle of the goddamn main gun).
But noooooooooo some people have to say that iT's ToO GeNeRiC and iT DoEsN't LoOk LiKe A ScORpIOn.
the M808S in Halo Wars 2 however looks to be a happy medium between the original M808 and newer M820 design, which seems to be a running theme with most of the UNSC designs in that game, combining both the old and the new.
Which is hilarious when you consider ETC is already being used on prototypes and is nearly production ready.
It's annoying that Sci-Fi writers ignore this type of weapon
they FINALLY gave it a modern MBT main gun. No more M48 patton main armament.
@@Trigger003 The M820 Scorpion looks Halo enough to me.I rather like it.
Edit:The M808S looks good too.
These most detailed breakdowns show just how much more advance most UNSC vehicles are than many realize or give credit for especially in regards to the internal aspects of the designs. As the saying goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover"; or in this case "Don't judge a tank by it's chassis". Otherwise it may blow up in your face both figuratively and literally.
Once again excellent video.
If we were talking about next-generation tanks IRL (i.e. whatever replaces the M1 Abrams in a decade or two) then perhaps, yes the Scorpion would appear advanced. But 500 years in the future I would at least hope our tanks are running with coilguns or railguns. Hell, the Warthog has a Gauss cannon variant, so why the Scorpion is using post-WWII cannon technology via 90mm APHE shells is confusing to say the least. Even the newer scorpions only use a electrothermal chemical gun; that's something we're experimenting on with our modern day tanks now and likely to implement in the next generation. But, I suppose I can forgive this oversight given that basically every other facet of UNSC technology is barely more advanced than what we have today.
@@QuantumAscension1 the idea is that ground warfare tech stagnated in favor of space borne tech, they were fighting terrorists with little no no armor for 3 centuries, they didn't need rail guns, regular weapons did the job perfectly, and we didn't have the battery tech for ultra small scale railguns until the covenant came. When your tech is generations ahead of your enemies you tend not to worry about making it better, ya know?
admiral_peck 7 While the level of military stagnation is kinda unrealistic even in the most peaceful of times, I can understand it. I used to think it was silly that the UNSC were still using gunpowder-based firearms in the 2550’s, but I eventually came to realize that often times a simple time-tested system is the more practical one, so fair enough. But then what about the Gauss warthog? How come a coilgun can be scaled down and powered for a light tactical vehicle but it can’t be scaled and powered by a main battle tank? What about the Spartan Laser or the M99 Stanchion Gauss anti-material rifle? It just seems inconsistent
@@Prestiged_peck but if you take the planetary wars into account then you would assume that the technology would have evolved in response to that conflict where large scale warfare was common.
IRL it's basically due to the game being designed by a group of game designers having to work on tech concepts from 20 years ago and the influence of ideas from Starship troopers and Aliens colonial marines .
@@skepticalmagos_101 they did say they had used the same designs for three centuries
I don’t think the scorpion has ever had a bad appearance. The tank has been fun to use throughout all the games in my opinion.
They even made it look great in Halo 5
Totally Mirage halo reach scorpion is my favourite one but what if we get a grizzly in infinite...
Agreed.
CE was best because no exposed gunner and player coax mg
But by *all* the gods, does it look ugly in Halo 5......
Remember the famous Swedish S-Tank can be crewed and operated by a single individual although its not reccommended due to the work load on a single person but i imagine the tech in the Scorpion mitigates most of that
The S-tank can in a pinch, but you will realy have task overload. Combining the positions of driver and gunner works on the S-tanks because of the way the gun is mounted. You can't drive and shoot at the same time anyway.
But if you add the responsibilites of the commander to the mix, it gets just too much.
The big advantage of having seperate commander and gunner is that the gunner can engage a target - something that takes your full concentration regardeless of your equipment - while the commander kepps his eyes out for the next target/threat.
Quite a number of nations in WW2 found out the hard way that combining commander and gunner in one person is a realy bad idea...
Technology can help with task overload but humans only have so much attention. Three man crew is as small as any amount of technology will make feasible... if you can do better than that you can have drone tanks instead.
The scorpio has artificial intelligence managing most of the workload, that makes the driver just the decision maker and driver.
Find objective? The ai does that. Reload? The ai do that, well the autoloader. Comms? The ai does most of the stuff only requiring you to take the important calls.
Part of that is because the scorpion is supposed to use a two-man crew. One driving the other one theoretically being the gunner and commander. Of course for gameplay reasons though there’s only ever one person crewing the tank.
The lore states that the Scorpion needs a bare min crew of 2. I am assuming driver and gunner. Russian tanks in real life use 2 crews because they use auto loaders. The lore also states that a single Spartan can crew the Scorpion with AI assistance which tells me the AI is driving while the Spartan is the gunner. The game for whatever reason allows a single Marine or Soldier to do it for game play purpose.
Might be a bit off topic but, Most detailed Human Government?
Even just a general overview of the government would be cool
I would be also interested in the story of the UEG
@@chiefwiggi7637 Think United Nations, but actually able to do its damn job.
@@angus57720 yeah man. Hahaha but still damn good lore surrounding the howl topic. I mean just imagine, first you do UEG -> Inner Colonies -> Outer Colonies.
Dude we're talking at least 6 vids.
I would love it
I am down for this
He called us epic. This is a good day.
Lots of people like to downplay the scorpion’s abilities but don’t realize it’s literally the t34 of the unsc. Its Easy to produce, has myriad of variants, , 1-2 man crew means losing lower numbers of valuable crewmen when a tank is destroyed, and even can punch through a wraith’s shields and 2 feet of armor in a few shots. Definitely not the most powerful tank in the UNSC, but it does it’s job perfectly.
We haven’t seen shields on the wraiths in FPS games though I would like to see more shields on the covenant vehicles. Also how the scorpion’s ammunition is described I’m surprised it doesn’t destroy almost every vehicle with a one shot. It might be a gameplay thing though and I would imagine it could one-shot a phantom with a well based hit.
Wait wraiths have 2 feet thick armor?!
bluebanana yeah the scorpion definitely has a powerful gun. We don’t have a lot of info on the ammunition types but the main round is some sort of tungsten fragmentation HE around for use against infantry and shields. Surely it uses a kind of depleted uranium penetrator round for armored targets tho. But it still can’t wreck most things in one shot due to how powerful both UNSC and covenant armor are. And yes the wraith has 2 feet of armor.
@@dr.catherineelizabethhalse1820 2 feet is not that crazy of an idea, modern tanks have pretty much that much armour nowadays, i think the leopard 2A6 turret is speculated to equate to like 1900mm of rolled homogonous steel armour (its not actually that thick, because its composite)
For a tank thats 500 years into the future its pretty pathetix that a modern abrams will easily beat it.
Some say that the Scorpion is underpowered due to it having a 90mm gun.
The only reason is has a 90mm gun is because when it had a 120mm gun, it started breaking time and space every time it fired a shell and causing entire Insurrectionist held cities to blip out of existance. The downgrade was neccecary to reduce its utter POWER
Then does the m850 grizzly destroy the planet it is on each time it fires its cannon.
@@orbitalbolo8848 It destroys and then remakes the planet in its own image. Inevitably there is a factory that makes more Grizzlys somewhere on it.
If the Innies dislike the UEG so much, they can just move to a different universe
What about the Mammoth
@@joshuaded1052 Oh my GOD yes, twin barrel 120mm wich can be upgraded to Twin Barrels 120mm RAILGUNS!!
This reinforces my love for the Hannibal Tank in Halo 5. That tank is so busted in firefight lol
I always tried to keep the marines alive on the Scorpion.
Especially the rocket troopers 🤘
On easy and normal I try to keep all my guys alive, but on heroic it's kinda 50/50. Depends on my mood and what mission I play. On legendary? Yeah they're on their own.
Too bad most of the time it's them trying to get run over
Same here with varying results
That is pretty much impossible mainly because I just charge through when I get my hands on one of these babies but hey I just played for fun
Tank beats everything!
Oh man, I could do this all day!
Zan man strike again
Tank beats everything except for ATGMs, attack helicopters, fixed-wing aircraft, somewhat concentrated artillery fire, infantry armed with ATGMs, battleships, mines, IEDs, VBIEDs, IFVs armed with ATGMs, determined SPAAGs, and uh, at least tanks look cool?
@@thermalvision203 you knoe whats aps? Era?
@@shadowguardian3612 Yes, I know what active protection systems and explosive reactive armor are. That was a joke about how tanks aren't the unstoppable forces IRL that they're shown to be in TV, movies, and video games. Instead, tanks are just one crucial part of a larger combined arms force.
Now I really, REALLY want to see a discussion between Installation 00 and Spookston about the Scorpion.
spookston compares it to real life, installation 00 just gives the info on the vehicle
Thanks to being extremely bored at work, I cooked this thing up - a good TL;DR is the sSorpion is absolutely no match for any piece of contemporary armor.
Like it or not, the fundamental fact is everything in Halo was made up by game designers who make video games for a living, not weapons. Halo did put some more effort into designing relatively realistic systems than most other games would, but I doubt they had someone like Eugene Stoner or Philip Lett on staff to design the weapons technology.
There is basically no lore about the Scorpion’s targeting systems other than the gameplay reality they’re used at extremely short range against enemies that don’t bother with concealment or camouflage, and even come equipped with bright glowing uniforms and guns to aim at. No comparison with modern tanks can be made.
The lore about the armor being a titanium and ceramic composite is pretty cool. As it turns out there is real world interest in titanium armors and they have immense promise. Scorpion armor would be very effective against HEAT, AP, and plasma. I have no idea how thick it is or what they would translate to in terms of Rolled Homogeneous Armor thickness, meaning simple steel plate. I am certain the Scorpion is tough, although it doesn’t seem too tough. A pair of 102mm rockets reliably slay it. Meanwhile in the real world I have seen no shortage of combat footage where current tanks routinely take three or more 150 mm rockets to put down. There is no doubt in my mind any 20th century main battle tank, like a T72, could handily knockout a Scorpion with little trouble.
The Scorpion fails in terms of secondary defensive systems. It doesn’t have slat armor, it doesn’t have side skirts, it doesn’t have reactive armor, it doesn’t have dazzlers, it doesn’t have a protection system, it doesn’t have laser or radar sensors, it doesn’t even have a simple smoke generator to make itself harder to see. Tanks from the 40s have that! All tanks made today either have nearly all of this things come either stock or as part of the standard upgrade package that everyone purchases.
As for the gun, the gun on the Scorpion is just laughable. It has a 90mm bore, only launches high explosive (A quote from gameplay says tungsten, but visuals plus all the lore entries say HE), and achieves a velocity lower than a 9mm handgun gets! Installation 00 tested that. I didn’t even know it was possible to make a tank shell with that low velocity! Real tank shells start at 4x the velocity and some go about 11 times as quickly. A real modern tank such as a T72 comes with a 125 mm gun and its lowest velocities are over 2000 ft./s with some getting 5500 ft./s. The 90mm bore size of the gun is baffling. There is no reason to go that small. You simply get more capabilities with a bigger gun most importantly your shells can become much more powerful, you can just do more things because you can pack more into the case and the projectile. And if for any application you need to fire a narrower projectile, you can just use a sabot. I know one of the cannon excuses for the small bore is it gave better performances for the anti-personnel and fire support missions the tank was originally designed for against rebels, but in that case again, why not just use sabots and design shells with lighter propellant charges instead of stick the whole platform with a woefully underpowered primary armament.
There is no reason to deliberately underpower the gun. 90mm HE would be minimally effective against any contemporary tank. A 90mm HEAT or AP would be underpowered, but at least right for the job. And I know the Wraith has 2 feet of frontal armor, which is correct, but it’s only about 600mm, and all modern tanks have the equivalent of over 1000 mm of frontal protection, making it not at all impressive, either to achieve or defeat. A base T72 has 500mm equivalent, and that’s considered flimsy.
The Scorpion is also not especially mobile. There’s a top speed of 33 mph which is actually less than that of the T72, nevermind turbine tanks such as the T80 or the M1. The only thing it does better is range, getting more operational range than any stock tank today but that advantage is significantly reduced when additional fuel drums are added, as is a common option.
The reason I use the T72 as a point of comparison is because it is the most common model of modern tank in the world, being two generations advanced from World War II tanks, and having contemporary upgrade packages that remain competitive. It provides a useful baseline control to compare the Scorpion with. The Scorpion does not measure up well at all.
The Sorpion tank as presented in Halo is no match for basically any post World War II piece of armor. It’s actually pretty hilariously pathetically hopelessly outmatched.
@@Mortablunt So, the Scorpion could be a nice gag premium for World of Tanks and War Thunder as it wouldn't even and in top tier but just along the first MBTs like T-55, M48 and Leopard 1.
Probably cannot beat a T-10 or Maus in a frontal duel.
Let's be honest, yes, the scorpion was designed to look cool , be balanced for gameplay and allow the player to feel powerful. Not to be a realistic weapon. The Warthog is also a hillarious downgrade from a Humvee.
Ironically, the Wraith gets away with more due being an alien artilery. Yes, 600mm of frontal armor might not be much for modern standards, but the Covenant have the magic "nanolaminate armor" , so it's likely even more protected.
@@Mortablunt I’m really glad that at least one person gets it!
@@zahylon5993 I despise microtransactions, but I'd pay to see the Scorpion in War Thunder for a gag event.
I do appreciate the effort Halo devs made to provide versimilitude, so I don't hold it against them they aren't weapons designers. The fact they strove to keep human tech familiar and grounded is part of the icing on the cake that makes Halo so unique and memorable, and provides that classic Starship Troopers / Old Man's War vibe that never goes out of style.
the only real change it need's is an energy shield and possibly a speed increase
I'll add variants with ERA for covenant needles and heat fences for plasma explosive weapons.
Also that stupid 4-tracks suspensions is stupid, 2 tracks one per side is far better
@@Tutel0093 it's stupid but it's also iconic, idk how much you could change that without making it look weird
I'd say change out the smooth bore canon for a mac.
god a mac the thing wont be able to move an inch
and i wold love to see a half covenant half unsc main battle tank maby swap the smooth bore for the oni main battle tank gouss cannon P.S. cant spell its 3am
One issue I've always seen with the sloped armor of the Scorpion is that wraith shots arch and banshees fly, so most fire the Scorpion actually encounters is hitting that sloped armor flat in.
in general all of the unsc's weapons and defences make perfect sence when fighting other humnans but none when fighting the covenant. You'd think the war only started a year or two from the games, but it's actually around 30 years, so it doesn't make sence while they didn't change them
I find it interesting that it has en elevated gun turret like that. In a real life tank you'd never want something like that because it gives you a taller target profile and also creates a weak point that would get easily damaged by enemy fire. If you look at any modern tank, they all have low-lying turrents that are basically flush with the main body of the tank, to avoid giving the enemy an easily targetable weak point.
Shermans had a tall profile and was used to great effect when creeping and shooting behind tall scenery.
@@KGODSMACKC The M4s tall profile wasn't done on purpose. It was just a necessary design compromise due to the use of a radial engine and a front driven track.
@@KGODSMACKC That design wasn't on purpose and no modern tank (I know) have a high profile.
On the positive side, the taller gun mount allows the entire vehicle to be hull down and only show the gun and small ass turret, effectively allowing it to fight in a hull down position much more effectively then a modern MBT
I always thought the position of the gun was meant to resemble the tail of a scorpion. Thats what I've always thought Bungie where going for with the tanks design.
Tank beats everything!!!
Except Sgt Johnson with a stick and a shared rock.
@@earnestbrown6524 except that brick
When ur so early to a video even the Precursors aren’t here
Hey how's 90mm of tungsten strike yea
Tank beats ghost
@@joshuaneal2316 Tank beats Hunter
Phantom117 B tank beats everything!
@@gpheonix1 oh man, I could do this all day!
To be fair, many modern tanks actually use depleted uranium for portions of the armor and armor-piecing rounds as it does have a higher mass for penetration power. Though tungsten does have a higher hardness value making it better for armor. The highest value tungsten is twice as strong as the weakest uranium but the weakest uranium is still stronger than the weakest tungsten.
Love the Scorpion tank. Would love to use the Grizzly and many other armored beauties in Infinite. Great video as always! Keep up the amazing work.
Well the grizzly in lore is way too overpowered for a multiplayer game as it has more hitting power, faster reloading, and has stronger armor. The only way to balance it is to nerf it to fuck for the game.
@@Skylancer727 or to have a level where you only fight things that call for a grizzlies firepower (I.E a collum of scarabs)
@@Skylancer727 What abt tincreased weapon damage?
"theres our timestamp, welcome to the future"
How did he know :O
Installation 00, what do we know about “image sanitation” in the Halo universe? For example, the “Mad Dog” VISR in Halo 5 has a description that says it “overlays even the most rudimentary image sanitation functions so that Spartan operators see only the rawest, most unadulterated view of the battlefield.” Does this mean our view as Chief, Locke, Six, Rookie or Thorne is really a subtle distortion played on the mind to ease the psychological toll on the user? Something like this is implied in Halo 5’s “Abyss” VISR that says it uses augmented reality tricks to the same effect, only for out of combat situations. Thanks and good video as always!
I think it's an in-game explanation of the textures and graphics settings like the lack of gore, fog, weapon impact dust (See Escape from Tarkov Raid episodes), and other bits of the game world that isn't as detailed as it would be IRL
Andres Barcenas I think you’re right, but it’s interesting to think about how Mjolnir/VISR compatible suits might deceive us just like it helps us, at least to me. You could argue our characters are almost “playing a game” like we are. Do they even know what a battlefield looks like? Would they hesitate to pull the trigger on a plasma rifle seeing what it does to internal organs? Chief, Locke and Six maybe not, but what about ODSTs and rookie Spartan-IVs?
Fast forward 2 years later, that kind of tech is in the works.
Hello and thank you for activating the m808 main main battle tank you may call me Sheila.
Hello nice lady. Goddamn i love this channel. Constant Rvb references
It’s an iconic design. I loved how the turret could be shot off in Halo Reach.
yea that happened to me one time and I was like "OH GOD I LOST MY GUN"
Looks like, the scorpion needs a flash hider like seriously it's literally covers the whole screen when firing.
If you can't see, neither can the enemy ;)
@@fenfrostpaws2000 yeah, well looks like the perfect flash light when driving through a cave like this. 0:17
The scorpion light's the way. But only for a split a second
Theres really no effective way to dampen the flash on large cannons like that. If you look at modern day Abrams and other tanks you'll see about the same size muzzle flash/fireball
Most of Scorpion criticism comes from the site called Spacebattles which they say Scorpion is overall weaker than M1A1 Abhams
But better than not having any heavy armor. Even if it is "weaker".
@@Qardo Go. And see this. I can give you the link.
Isnt wrong, but isnt exactly a reason for hate the vehicle
There's a lot of problems with the scorpion if you're trying to claim its a realistic design. Its lore was designed mostly by people who don't understand tank design, but instead wanted things that sound cool... which is fine for a fictional tank in a video game franchise. The issue is sometimes people claim it would make a good irl tank, which just isn't true. Quad tracks are not a good design choice, the rounds it supposedly fires really aren't great by modern standards, and you have to kind of lie or fudge the truth to make it sound like it's good. Throwing a slug really fast doesn't make the round good. A shell that puts shrapnel in the crew of an enemy vehicle is a good round.
spacebattles competence, isn't.
"IT IS THE BANEBLADE"!
-some bloody magpie
I HAVE FACED MORE FEARSOME TANKS!!!
@@LAV-III METAL BOXES
It would be awesome to have a tank with A gun that can point shoot aircraft, the railgun mounted would have to fire a LOT faster than they show in game and likely significantly faster than they do in real life. Even if we had anti-grav tech I doubt an equivalent aircraft to a banshee would make a habit of flying low and slow when being shot at is likely.
Loved this episode. As a tank enthusiast this was a godsend for me. I love the Scopion and I see it as the best tank by design ever. Though i do have 2 issues with it.
The cannon of the M808 series wasn't much of an advancement after 400-500 years into the future. 90mm HV cannons were used back during the later years of WW2. Also, Tungsten is a common use as a tank penetrator, but, once again, 400-500 years into the future, I'm pretty sure Depleted Uranium rounds would be standard, if not fully replaced. DU penetrators are a lot better than Tungsten. While Tungsten is denser by .2 grams, DU penetrators can self sharpen during penetration, heat up, and even ignite and cause fires once through. During the Gulf War, tank operators fighting against Iraqi forces had both Tungsten and DU rounds but were instructed to use the DU rounds only if they encounted T-72 tanks.
The other issue is the crew of 1. SUPER bad idea. If only 1 crew member has control of everything of the tank, they can do whatever with the tank. War is frightening, no matter the era. Any man, no matter how well trained they are, can break down in combat. And if that solder is driving a vehicle weighing dozens of tons with a 90mm or 152mm HE stick breaks down, well, you dont want be around when it happens. Also, its inefficient to have just 1 person do the driving and shooting, even if the systems are linked to a Neural Lace. Driving, spotting, and shooting would be so difficult. Sure it saves 2-4 men but doing all of their jobs would be a nightmare. Dodging incoming fire while aiming is near impossible.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that neural links and laces suppress mental breaks like that, tbh.
tungsten is used by Germany because they dislike the idea of depleted uranium and the risk of radiation not because they can't or don't know how to produce it, the leopard 2 does just fine with out depleted uranium and i don't think in the future depleted uranium would become standard.
Well it’s efficient don’t have to spend time and money training as many tank crews when you can just train one guy also although 90mm may not be a lot what tanks with a gun similar to a human version of a tank would the scorpion face your right it’s the only human tank so it’s just gotta be good at rolling other different tanks and enemy infantry and be cheap, efficient and be good enough
@@jordanmason7127 Depleted uranium is not radioactive. It is just as dangerous as any other heavy metal, and will only kill you if particulates are absorbed by your body. Germany doesn't bother with DU because:
-It's more expensive
-It's not the cold war anymore
@@meeshii3 yes i am aware that it is not harmful but from what i have read Germany believed it too be hazardous, it was more to do with politics and the wider public's lack of knowledge
great stuff man, one last issue thst was not addressed is how they fixed the loss of power issue that comes with seperating the four tracks. as instead of powering only 2 sets of tracks the scorpion must power 4 individual large and wide tracks even by todays standards both independently and in tandem, 2 sets of transmissions 2 sets of drive axels that must function as also pivoting axle points, the amount of stress on these componets could lead to frequent and catastrophic failure in drive systems through regular wear and tear let alone put in an austere or even hostile enviroments, the grizzly with its 5 track configuration being a great concern with these issues as well, in game this explains relatively slow speed for the chasis but also presents this major hurdle of engineering, my best guess is that they had to use a super tough tungsten metal alloy for these componets as tungsten has excellent wear and tear as well as dealing with excessive heat and pressures...tungsten titanium 50 alloy? what do you think?
I was thinking each track pod had independent electric drive motors and the gas turbine engine generated power. Just a hypothesis.
@@cjmunnee3356 its possible after all it is 500+ years in the future but still at the least 66 tons or 16.5 tons of vehicle to move per motor
I think some bigshot at the contracting firm sent his sexy office assistant to have an unscheduled late night talk with the head of the congressional subcommittee. That’s what I think.
"Hello, and thank you for activating the M-808v main battle tank. You may call me Sheila."
The Grizzly is the most badass tank ever: change my mind lol
Dear sir, have you seen the glory of the..... BANEBALDE??
Scorpion tank exists xD ‘nuff said
Do we count Warhammer too?
@@skepticalmagos_101 but the grizzly looks sexier
@@alih5862 You have yet to see an Ordinatus
“And there’s our time stamp, welcome to the future” thanks for the chuckle lol
"HEY, HOW DOES 90 MILLIMETERS OF TUNGSTEN STRIKE YA?!"
Nowhere near as much as BM-60.
Like not nearly enough tungsten.
Seriously, modern 120mm and 125mm tank cannons use tungsten APFSDS rounds with *much* greater speeds, and Scorpion's main gun is just hilariously anemic compared to even massively outdated APFSDS rounds. I.E. T-72 has ZVBM-13 rounds for its 125mm cannon that go about 1700 m/s, which is hella faster than Scorpion's. Yep, an old T-72 round that won't even pen a modern MBT embarasses the Scorpion...
@Egor Kaskader
Bro
Do you even Engineering
Imagine the next upgrade to the M808, in the form of the Scorpion but outfitted with a light MAC canon. The, as I call it, M808-V Mobile Linear Accelerator Platform.
Nothing more terrifying than a tank wielding a railgun.
i think there is a derivative of the scorpion that uses a micro mac gun (smaller than the one six uses in reach of course)
One thing I’ve always admired that the 66 tons of HE spewing divine intervention, runs in the halo games. Is the additional dialogue that the marines add as they ride through glory with you.
"Hey how does 90 millimetres of tungsten strike ya!?"
A lot less meaningfully than 120mm of D.U.
Your most detailed breakdowns are literally one of my favourite YT series to watch. Thanks for the time and effort you put into making them
I love these videos and the intro was awesome!
I get its supposed to advanced but 3-4 man crew would be good just to have good division of labour and have an extra man in case someone goes down.
The bane of technology is becoming a slave to it. You’d be right but the UNSC probably sees it as a net positive in training fewer personnel and fielding more tanks.
A three man crew would be sufficient. If someone dies from a penetrating hit, the rest of the crew will probably bail out of the tank or drive to safety because they're normal human beings with self-preservation in mind.
The lore states that the Scorpion needs a bare min crew of 2. I am assuming driver and gunner. Russian tanks in real life use 2 crews because they use auto loaders. The lore also states that a single Spartan can crew the Scorpion with AI assistance which tells me the AI is driving while the Spartan is the gunner. The game for whatever reason allows a single Marine or Soldier to do it for game play purpose.
It has extra room in the crew compartment, perhaps the other two seats are optional depending on the mission.
A 90mm gun, thats like 1940s Pershing heavy tank calibre , or early patton tanks. The projectile it fire must pack a serious punch because most modern mbt uses guns of 120mm , 125mm and lately 130mm
What are you complaining about, we're getting a tank in the next shipment from command.
You can't pick up chicks in a tank.....
"I was wrong! You can totally pick up chicks in a tank!"
@@riccardogemme SHEIIIIIIILAAAA NOOOOOOO!
"Probably two or three chicks apiece!"
Side seats
TUCKER!!!!!
I never played a Halo game but tanks are something I'm very interested in, so I still watched with great interest.
When comparing some of the design choices in this vehicle to RL tanks a few points came up:
Note, this is just a random nerd making observations and comparisons with RL tank design for the heck of it, with my modest kowlege on the subject matter.
It is neither meant as a citique of this video, nor of the artistic choices by the developers of this franchise.
Suspension: 4 tracks instead of 2. Not a choice I would have made.
You basicaly double the points of failure by having 4 instead of 2 electric motors, drive spockets, idlers and track tensioning systems, while reducing the amount of track in contact with the ground, thus increasing ground presure.
In none of the in game footage shown here did the scorpion cross terrain that wouldn't have been managble with a more conventional suspension.
Improved firing arks in uneven tarrain could have been achieved with hydrogas suspension as used in the Challenger 2, or a hydraulic suspension like the one used on the swedish Stridsvagn 103.
Engine: Nothing wrong per se with a gas turbine. They are compact, lightweight and reliable.
There are some disadvantages though: A gas turbine uses almost as much fuel when idling as when your vehicle is cruising. Without a auxilary motor to power the systems when stationary (for example in an overwatch position) you will quickly rund dry.
Also, the high volume of air used by gas turbines requires large air filters that will clog up much faster than in a tank with a diesel engine.
During Desert Storm, M1 Abrams tanks often had to stop every hour to clean out the air filters while on tha march through the desert (off course, in a pinch they could have run for longer, but you don't want to risk stubling into a combat situation with your air filters fully cloged-up...).
Hydrogen as fuel: High energy density, can be literaly made in-situ from the universes most abundant chemical compound (provided you have a suitable power source at hand), and clean.
It is also difficult to handle and store. Liquid, it requires constant cooling to prevent evaporation, and as a pressurised gas, it has 2 nasty habits:
For one, it constantly difuses out of every tank you can make, so you have to carefully vent the space around the gas tank to prevent build-up of explosive gas mixtures, and it causes hydrogen embrittlement in many materials it touches.
If it has to be a gas as fuel, I recommend methane.
But I would have gone with a liquid. for the much, much easier handling.
Armour: Modern armour is a secret the militaries guard very closely. I also have no idea of the material science of the Halo universe, so I can't comment on this much.
Just one note: Some tanks, like the Challenger have an outer skin, covering the armour. So looking at the tank's outer shape does not necessarily tell you anything about the actual armour layout.
Armament: If you have a smooth-bore gun, you have to fin-stabilise the projectile.
For armour piercing, kinetic amunition, you pretty much have to use a APFSDS. Making a more conventional slug with stabilisation fins gives you all the complexity and drawbacks of APFSDS without any of the benefits.
Modern 120mm APFSDS have a muzzle velocity of about 1600 meters per second and a projectile weight of about 7-10 kilo.
With a 90mm gun, you run into 2 problems: 1. for the same muzzle energy, you'd need a lot more muzzle velocity, probably more than you can manage with chemical propellant.
2. even then, you still run into the probem of shorter penetrators (the only reason for using a smaller gun is to reduce weight and amunition size for increased amunition capacity and easier handling) having inherently less penetration.
Using something like a railgun could help in that regard.
I was also surprised about the apparent lack of a HE or HEAT-MP round.
I have to stress, that there is nothing inherently wrong with using a 90mm gun. If it does what you need it to do, then making the gun bigger just makes your life harder for no real benefit. And if you don't want to use chemical effect amunition anyway, then the point of lager callibre equaling more explosive filler in the projectile becomes moot.
To make a RL comparison: IN WW2 the US forces were highly reluctant to switch from the 76mm gun to the 90mm for as long as the 76 was mostly doing ok, because of increased weight and size of both the gun and the amunition.
If you need more penetration, try improving the projectile first. Then increase muzzle velocity. And only if that's not enough consider using a lager callibre.
The lack of a coaxial MG in the standard version of the Skorpion is imho an unforgivable oversight.
Turret design:
Again, not a choice I would have made. Increasing the hight makes your vehicle more top-heavy. It also increases the surface area you have to armour, increasing overall weight.
The "neck" of the turret is also vulnerable. Basicaly, it's just one huge shot-trap.
The unmanded turret with an autoloader however is a perfectly valid choice, even though I haven't yet been converted to the 'unmaned turret fandom'...
One-man crew:
Yea, no. No matter how good your interface, you will run into the issue of task overload. Steering the vehicle, scanning for targets/threats, managing communications and servicing targets is going to overload your crewman, no matter what. And if you have a platoon of tanks, god help the poor sod in the lead vehicle, also having to co-ordinate 3-4 other tanks...
3 man crew it is for me.
This is something that does make sense in the context of a video game's game mechanics, but not outside of that.
I would end with the note that, if you design a scifi tank for a video game, you usally go with what looks cool and visually distinct, and not necessarily with what is realistic and practical.
In that, I'd say the designer of the Scorpion was successfull.
Any comparison to RL vehicle and/or technology can only realy be done "just for fun".
The 90mm gun should have more or less the muzzle energy of the m1a2 Abrams' 120 mm gun. Considering the likely armor advances in 5 centuries, this seems somewhat disappointing. Also the muzzle velocity is DREADFUL, taking about 3 seconds to travel a kilometer.
@@tranquile8046 I assume achieving the muzzle velocity of a 120mm high velocity gun with a 90mm will be somewhere between difficult and next to impossible.
You'd have to drasticaly increase muzzle velocity to do that, and modern tank guns are so highly advanced, that there isn't that much more room for improvement in this area.
Guns using a chemical propellant are probably reaching a limit there.
As to the muzzle velocity measured here: While I appreciate 00's diligence in this regard, I don't think you can take the velocity shown in-game at face vallue unless the game's engine is specificaly coded to accurately simulate shell trajectory.
A tank game like Warthunder or World of Tanks does it, as the shell trajectory is improtant for the performance and playstile of individual tanks. But in a normal shooter? Probably not.
edit: I off course meant to say "muzzle energy" up in the first line.
Man your vid quality keeps going up and up! Love your vids mate, keep going strong!
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The last time I was this early, the Halo's hadn't fired!
I'd imagine in the lore if it was mentioned the muzzle velocity would sit somewhere in the 1800-3000 m/s+ range, and going with a 90mm allows for more rounds to be stored in the tank increasing its combat effectiveness. But if it is near 1100 m/s(but that was prolly done for gameplay). though it could be a specialized APFSDS round with a chemical penetrator as well. Something like the new round being developed for the M1A2's which is a multipurpose round that can change from HE(airburst ability), HEAT, and a SABOT dart all in one round. Which in Halo, the operator could switch between in milliseconds, and thus the round itself would adjust for velocities according to the type of effect being chosen depending on the environmental factors, barrel fatigue etc. I'd also imagine it could allow for indirect fire as well if needed. By gameplay standards though, a modern Abrams/Leo/T90, those guns would pack the punch if using DU rounds would rip apart a Wraiths armor as they all are around 1800 m/s mark. Loved the video, keep it up 00
APFSDS round with a chemical penetrator? How? All the idea of an APFSDS round is that you have a very tough and very heavy round with a small cross-section.
I understand a multipurpose round with HE and HEAT in one package, they've been around for a time actually, they're called High Explosive Dual Purpose.
The idea of HEDP and APFSDS in one round is outright stupid. You can't put much explosives in a thin dart, while your HEAT component will ruin the frontal toughness of the projectile, ruining it as an APFGDS.
I really like your very detailed videos, it's kinda hard to cope with all the information but it's understandable.
I really love these most detailed videos. They really answer questions i didn't know i had.
Spookston made a great video regarding the design of the M808. It's a cool tank which is good enough for gameplay (I wouldn't argue against that) but my inner tank (and military) nerd has a stroke over some design choices.
Interestingly, gameplay wise the gun elevation/depression isn't relative to the vehicle axis but the world axis(?) which proves to be frustrating. This issue isn't only with the Scorpion but the Warthog, Wraith, Revenant etc. I hope that's fixed eventually.
I up this.
Also I have hull down tactis vids of the Grizzly tank from Halo CE SPV3
@@spyrelle3970 It's all good. I lean in favour of more realistic designs for things personally although I don't mind a bit of flare too.
Id stack our tanks up against the quad-tracked nightmare any day of the week.
"Tank beats everything!" 😌 Awesome research! I am definitely subscribing now!
Tank beats ghost. TANK beats Hunter. TANK BEATS EVERYTHING. Hoh man I could do this all day
Wanted to just throw this out there in case you might've missed it, but there is a channel tab under your channel profile that you can list featured channels, might make linking/associating both of your channels together for easier searching.
Idea for lore core multiverse: the Lazarus project from mass effect bc in 10 years it's NEVER been explained
amazing video as always. i love that ending "and its a widely accepted fact TANK BEATS EVERYTHING!!!!" beautiful ending installation00
This was an excellent breakdown, well done!!
God I hope we can pilot a Grizzly in Infinite.
Considering the fact that a fan made a real functional warthog, minus the turret, I wonder how long it will be til someone makes a real functional scorpion.
Judging how the scorpion is an one man operated tank compared to all crew operated tanks used by the today's military forces I'd guess not any time soon
Well I’m gonna guess it’s not gonna be able to fire but it can drive and turn the turret but not at the same time as the warthog is a car
Seductive Mint no chance in hell will an average joe ever make a self loading, single seat tank with a hydrogen bomb for a power plant..
The tanks velocity might be wrong due to “Spartan time”. Now idk if its depicted in name or not, but since Spartan time slows everything down drastically the velocity may be significantly higher.
Even if we boost the round velocity by 300% it's still around 1,062 m/s, definitely much better but nothing remarkable, modern APDS usually have velocity of around 1,400 m/s while modern APFSDS have velocity of around 1,600 to 1,800 m/s. New evolution of tank gun like Electrothermal-Chemical Gun (ETC gun) can propel tank round from anywhere between 2,500 to 4,000 m/s velocity.
So,
The M808 Scorpion is a 66 ton MBT, firing the M512 Smooth-bore High-Velocity cannon, using APHE rounds. (Armor Piercing High Explosive)
Avery Johnson even says "This here is 66 tons of straight-up, HE-spewin', dee-vine intervention!"
It wasnty till Halo 3 with the MBOBC that the vehicle was described using Tungsten munitions.
I would like most detailed breakdown of some covenant stuff but there’s one last thing before that that I want way more a most detailed breakdown for the SOEIV ODST drop pod you’ve made an episode for the stalwart class light frigate and everything it carries except for the drop pod so I kind of just want a complete set for the installation 00 most detailed breakdowns of the stalwart class’s carrying compliment
Still waiting on the drop pods😁 I know I know all in good time.
I've been waiting for this for sooo long
You make videos about Halo like nobody else, you deserve Millions of subs man, congrats!
Also: Thank beats EVERYTHING!!!!
There is real-life precedent for a tank with a remote controlled turret, but even the real life version still needs a crew of 3 to operate effectively. (It's the T-14 Armata)
You should go into depth of the Plasma Rhino tank
What the hell is timing, when you uploaded this yesterday, I was playing that exact mission in H2 and thinking how perfect those lines would be for a quote. Low-and-behold, it was your intro today XD
Man I hand never seen your videos before. You have a new fan. Been a halo fantastic since it's lunch on original Xbox have ever book and comic. Thanks for your great kickass content
It'd be nice if the scorpion had some of the deflection and interception tech that we have today like an armor system that intercepts 2 rockets before you can be hit by large ordnance
The only thing that would serve would be to combat insurrectionists since in itself in the halo universe all humanity is unified in a single government, although it would be logical, at least with the firing of weapons such as the fuel rod
@@luisalfredogaleanavera9602 Humanity isn't that united, insurgents are still there.
I already know that, but the insurgents at least as things are going in are not a major threat, I say the most they could do to represent a danger to the Scorpions would be with the SPNKR but I doubt they have so many.
Besides, I think they also don't make a defense system like that of modern tanks for gameplay and balance reasons in the games, there are already players who are horribly good at the command of a tank, imagine if the missiles were destroyed
Flood with rocket launchers would like to have a word lol
I feel that on the only occasions that the UNSC has faced the flood it has not seen it necessary, I say it is like 5-7 times that we have seen this confrontation not extended as the human-covenat war where it would make more sense to have a system than intercept shots from fuel rods / hunter cannon
UNSC: "Let's make this an effective and capable tank."
Also UNSC: "Let's make this glorified pick-up truck with virtually no armor worth speaking of into a technical with and have it be our mainstay vehicle."
Hey man, that's what the Allies did in WWII for a bit lmfao. It works.
@@jrsharker23 if you got the manpower and supplies for it.
@@jrsharker23
The Allies in WWII used the iconic Willys MB/Ford GPW jeep to great effect, but it was not the mainstay combat vehicle. Not even close. They occasionally put weapons on it, but for the most part it remained only a transport vehicle.
Whereas for the UNSC, the Warthog definitely is their mainstay combat vehicle if the Halo games are anything to go by. And, worse yet, there's barely any difference between the civilian and military Warthog. At least with HMMWV, it was somewhat different from the original Hummer/H1 and the military quickly started uparmoring it in Iraq to the point where the vehicle was overloaded from armor, even.
also also UNSC: wait our tank is less effective than tanks from 500 years ago
@@matchesburn They also put large caliber recoilless rifles on their jeeps, just like the UNSC does with coilguns.
At every ending of your videos, when you cool last remark, reminds of the templin institute
4:47 The CE ghost AI can be funny lol
Once I had it jump over my scorpion while screaming WORT WORT WORT to assert dominance while being peppered by sniper rounds.
Quite epic.
I wish the hanniable scorpion was the standard for the unsc
Maybe eventually as technology progresses
"The Chief is gonna jump in this tank, roll across the bridge, and blow up any inhuman son-of-a-##### dumb enough to get between him and the Prophet of Regret!"
I have no idea if this was intentional, but one detail I appreciate in RvB is that Sheila is consistently referred to as an "M808V Main Battle Tank." However, in canon Halo, there is no M808V. There's only the M808B, M808C, M808S, and M820. This just means that the M808V is a different variant that's designed to be operated by an AI. Why you would want to do that is beyond me, but I'm no expert.
The RVB wiki said it was a training tank with an A.I to “help” the drive
Now I know more of it's weaknesses and Strengths, this was long, but very helpful
having 2 main guns on a tank is more problematic since according to rule 1: more moving parts = high likelihood of something going wrong
firing 2 staggered shots at once means if one shot is only needed to take out a target then you've also just wasted another shot
having a fast loading mechanism eliminates the need of having 2 main guns
It was literally explained why it has 2 guns though.
You CAN fire them seperately, and as quickly behind one another.
2 Rounds are needed to deal with Covie vehicles, one to knock out the shield, one to destroy the vehicle.
I'd like to see you find a autoloader that can load 120mm shells in atleast 1 second.
@@1979Cactus modern 5 inch destroyer guns can do that.
@@1979Cactus A Bofors 120mm gun model 1950 (yes, 1950s) could fire a 120mm round every 1.42 seconds. It would not be hard to make a heavy autocannon 500 years from now.
If you have two guns and one of them breaks, you have one gun.
If you have one gun and it breaks, you have brown pants.
@@Asdayasman but two guns means more complexity, maintenance, weight, bigger turret profile, while having less ammo,possibly smaller caliber guns and less protected mantlet . And if you lose one gun, there's a high chance that you won't be able to use the other because of the damage.
I'm surprised by this tank. According to the graphic at 6:04 the top speed of this thing is 66 tons. Impressive lol
Bro I love your full details video about everything related to Halo
I'm loving your channel. Learning a lot and getting my head back in to "the Halo zone" so, great work! (You've taught me tons of stuff but I can only offer on thing in return; The "c" in "scimitar" is silent🤓)
The velocity on that thing is Garbage compared to a real tank, like straight up slower than a 75mm sherman cannon from 1941
The velocity of the shot is that slow, only bcs of game balance. Probably. Or devs dont know how fast the shells fly :)
The velocity is a early 90s grunge band? That just makes no sense!
I love your content but you really needed to do alot more research before using info on modern tanks for this, just an example the ceramic in tank armor is generally to deal with HEAT warheads not kinetics
True, like I think his video on anti gravity had some math issues. But then again I get this isn't a science channel so I dont really mind if he gets something wrong.
Covenant vehicles are actually Hilariously vulnerable to ballistic weapons because they’re generally designed to resist plasma-based attacks
@@Peter_Turbo4 Let alone the factor that half of the Wraith’s interior parts are exposed if you look at the side or back.
Would love to see a Most Detailed on the Elephant and Mammoth!
I ABSOLUTELY loved and enjoyed watching this INCREDIBLE vídeo about the Scorpion Tank!!!!!!!!
It TRULY is my MOST favorite vehicle in ALL of the Halo series!!!!!!!!
Instillation00, u should do a most detailed breakdown of high charity uknow the massive space station
In the CE manual it said it had a crew of 3 or 1 cyborg... I always liked the design, 4 tracks could be a pain if they ever broke down but the articulation would help with better traversing of terrain than a standard 2 track design with torsion bar suspension.
Four tracks seems good in theory, but really all it does its bog down the tank on uneven terrain and hills, unless the chassis is also articulated. Sweden attempted this with the UDES XX-20, but it had a myriad of issues.
its designed in a modular manner the track "pods" can be swapped out or repaired with minimal tools
@@meeshii3 and the scorpion if you payed attention to the video fixed those problems, i won't say how, because if you actually payed attention you would already know
@@_blood_moon_proto_1500 I don't need to pay attention. Quad tracks are bogus and will never, ever be used on MBTs. No amount of sci-fi hand-waving will convince me otherwise.
@@_blood_moon_proto_1500You really expected the self proclaimed “tank experts” to understand that? Good luck.
Might want to link the other lore channel on this channel, keep up the content! 👍👍👍👍
I only have one correction about the armor plating: spaced armor isn’t to redirect gases, but to destabilize APFSDS penetrators which self-stabilize when penetrating solid armors. If the armor is spaced to a certain extent, the penetrator won’t maintain its straight path through the metal as the metal wont fully encase the slug to stabilize it. theScottishKoala has an extremely helpful video in understanding this concept with the modern Leopard 2’s “turret cheeks”. Alternatively many tanks will also attach steel plates several inches away from the tank’s hull, which is still considered spaced armor but this has a very different purpose. This spaced armor is to pre-detonate HEAT shells to decrease their effective penetration.
I've seen a very insightful video from a tank engineer guy explaining how poor the design of the scorpion tank is. I think the video is called: "everything wrong with the scorpion tank" - and I agree, doing some research on the scorpion vs modern real world tanks, it's awful
Now the true question is... “How does it have infinite ammo?”
Perhaps it is due to the fact that you only need space for two people in the vehicle (driver and gunner) and by not having to worry about making room for other members the Scorpion can have a large ammunition store
Have you ever heard a phrase regarding gift horses?
They say that every Scorpion is visited by the spirit of Chuck Norris when they are about to leave the factory and he says a few good words. Each message is unique, but it imbues every tank with the gift of limitless ammunition of perfect quality.
@@willcaputo1 A chuck norris joke in 2020? You must be a comedy genious.
@@valkaerie8715 I couldn't think of anyone else at the time
-30 Degrees gun depression, +60 degrees of gun elevation? Good lord. Wish I could have even half of that in WoT.
As someone that has been enthralled by tanks, I'm so happy this is here!
As someone enthralled by tanks you should know how bad a design this is.