I feel like Phase 4 is trying to have it's cake and eating it too. Like, a lot of the shows and movies are trying to be self-contained. However, the phase is also trying to have a major theme in the multiverse, and you end up with an overarching issue where these individual plots are set in the same universe, but do little or no effort in trying to connect them together. Seriously, Loki, No Way Home, and MOM are all about the multiverse, but they don't feel like they affect each other in any way.
So perfectly stated. The MCU is trying to give us standalone projects, while building a multiverse story at the same time. That is not a good idea in almost any way. The movies/shows contradict each other. Characters don't seem to know things or just ignored things for the sake of the plot. Why didn't Thor go to Eternity and wish for The Infinity Stones to lose all power? Why not use the dark magic book(forgot the name sorry) to destroy Thanos or imprison him? A multiverse, imo, is never a good idea and the MCU is really messing the concept up.
"Seriously, Loki, No Way Home, and MOM are all about the multiverse, but they don't feel like they affect each other in any way." I'm gonna add on top of this point and make it even worse. Loki (the story that reintroduced the multiverse into the MCU- yes reintroduce because the first Dr. Strange film did it first on a looser premise) and MOM have the same writer (who wrote for Rick and Morty btw) & yet those stories rules for the multiverse and events surrounding them don't affect each other either. The same writer couldn't even keep his own rules consistent. 🤡🤡🤡
@@briannawilliams3155Are you surprised, they hired the same writer behind"PICKLE RICK"as She Hulk's showrunner! Wich shows utter incompetence and disintrest in doing a job/well more being into ticking off boxes!
Companies are doing this all the time. In new Green Lantern animated movie we have members of Sinestro corps but changed a "little" and without a their logo. This way you can literally eat your cake and still have it. You can use well know characters and don't pay a cent to their creators.
I don't get it. For Infinity War & Endgame, they went Wayyyy out of their way to track down Artists & Writers, giving them Bonus Checks for the work they had done 20-30 years ago. Jim Starlin, the Writer for the Comics version & Creator of Thanos, even got a roll in Endgame. He was part of the Therapy Group Cap was in. Spiderman has sent big checks off to Steve Ditko's family. Why Cheap Out for Bill Everett? Or did they want too much?
Toatally agree with all of this, especially about WandaVision. I don’t understand why Agatha was punished while Wanda got to walk away scott free, despite committing the bigger crime.
"It's time you learned something, R.B. 'With great power comes *freedom* from responsibility.' Those as powerful as we are *never* to blame for the unintended consequences of our actions. If some collateral damage occurs, it's the *villain's* fault!" --- Claude Kane III.
The biggest problem is they force you watch all of it, even the nobody TV shows for the failure characters or using established ones to prop another up. Most being relegated to cheerleaders for New characters no one knows nor cares about, especially given the comics they haven't been apart of as long as many characters they barely want to use.
Yeah, I refuse to play along. I've skipped the last several Disney+ shows and don't plan on ever watching them. After reading the list of upcoming show, looks like I'll be skipping most of those as well.
Thank you for sharing the real reason they made Namor the Sub-Mariner into Nah-mor, the boy without love. I knew it couldn't have been for all the fake reasons that they were trying to use online and something realistically cynical like a company that makes millions hand over fist being too cheap to pay royalties to the original creators.
the lack of direction for Phase 4 is on point; I also think that in an effort to pump out more content they keep introducing new characters into their new TV shows (like Echo, the Eternals, Shang Chi, etc) If they want to keep introducing more heroes (be it for representation or simply pumping content) they should consider making standalone films that don't have the pressure of mattering to the rest of the MCU
3:10 Just like the 'Mother of Dragons' in Game of Thrones, Wanda rushed trough the process of going over into unbridled evil too quickly with insufficient motivation to do so either. The end result was acceptable in concept but the impatience to get there was the result of a writing team wanting to be the one to tell the story of the Scarlet Witch's start of darkness before another writing team picked up the hints dropped in Wandavision.
I consider myself a casual consumer of the MCU. I had no interest in She Hulk so I didn't watch it. The fact that I can't enjoy these characters without an agenda, is crazy. But I appreciate people like yourself that offer constructive criticism.
I appreciate channels like these just to get the gossip. The only Marvel movie I've seen was Guardians of the Galaxy; and I didn't like it. I just like to see how the wokeness unfolds
Earth's Mightiest Heroes, possibly the greatest Marvel cartoon ever made, was cancelled for the MCU. And THAT'S what you're upset about? All due respect, his heroes' death is hardly the tragedy here.
@@Ninja07Keaton obviously I meant the content after the latest Spiderman movie has gone to crap. She Hulk should have been a success, but instead marvel wanted use the show to call out trolls? Come on now, as for Earth's mightiest heroes I too was hurt when it was canned.
I miss not being excited for an MCU film or a superhero film in general. Black Adam was very formulaic but was at least very entertaining and enjoyable. I also loved the introduction of the JSA and hope to see those characters again.
It’s definitely a problem they have right now. You might have had a point if 3/4 of the stuff that’s come out since Endgame didn’t feel rushed to hell and back and just have such unsatisfying conclusions. There’s such a thing as “Spreading Yourself Too Thin” is all. You can hire a million employees to distribute the workload but you still have the problem of pumping them out too much too quickly.
i think your compleatly right, they nolonger care about these characters. i also think part of the problem actually lies in that the movies are to dam long to acomadate all the easter eggs and asetting up the next movies to come out. that also leaves the movies fealing unsatisfying because you not getting a compleated story. matvel and dc will both needs to master the art of creating a conected but discontected world.
I'm personally not really that upset about this since I already got a satisfyingly ending to the story with end game and knew that this would happen eventually, no story can ever last forever. However I am still sad that the new characters like Moon Knight and Ms.Marvel arn't getting the quality or thought that they deserve and I hate how the VFX artist are basically being worked into states of depression.
I do find a lot of stuff in Phase 4 has been pretty weak compared to come of the past ones. Not helped by the fact we tend to get so much stuff to try to process in this phase with less downtime. I was really hoping She-Hulk would be good, but it sadly wasn't. So far, the best things in the MCU phase 4 to me were No Way Home and Moon Knight.
I felt like even Moon Knight had its issues near the end though. That being said I did like how they tried to go with a darker and more serious tone in general, so I enjoyed seeing something new in that regard. And I think No Way Home is more just fan service personally, but at the same time I also ate that up and it's one of my favorite movies of all time. So I fully agree as well, although I also liked LOKI, one of the few shows with the joke formula I didn't mind but admittedly it does get pretty weird and strange. But I liked the character development of Loki enough to let it slide for me. But even the best of Phase 4 seems not so perfect IMO which I guess is my point. But again I do agree with you.
The MCU should have ended with Endgame, The Snap and Unsnap were such large events that it's consequences should be felt for decades after they happened. There is no sensible way to continue a setting after something like that happens.
I agree that it's more of an issue of quality control than audience fatigue. If these products were as good as previous movies or shows (So far the Disney+ shows haven't come close to the quality of the Netflix shows). Phase 4 is incredibly directionless and disconnected, with the individual products being pretty mediocre on average.
For me, Phase 4 has been really hit or miss and sadly it's been going down. Starting with WandaVision, I thought it was pretty good. The only thing that bother me was hearing afterword. Doctor Strange was going to be the hero in the show but it was changed because for ridiculous reasons. Captain America and the Winter Solider was fine, I was excited to birth of a new villian. Loki, Moon Knight and Hawkeye was the best show from Phase 4. The only one that bombed was She-hulk, in everything I've seen so far from Phase 4. How does a 9 episode series have pacing issues!? I've seen long multiple long running series better paced then this. This show needed maybe 4 1/2 of the episodes of the nine that was streamed. Her show should of ended after Mat left Jen's place, then start having Jen doing superhero work on the side. Or have Jen defend herself in court from her hero actives. Heck, I would have settled for having the show focused on courtroom cases, but have it funny like the ace attorney law series. I think I laughed more times watching Judge Judy, then I had with all of She-Hulk. I don't hate She-Hulk, I have seen her character in plenty of different cartoons shows. She's pretty great in all of the other cartoons she's in. But this show, she just sucks. There is only 5 things I really enjoyed here: Mat, Madisyn, Nikki, Bonding with Bruce and that scene when Jen talks about her relationship with She-Hulk, that's it. Wow, I was not trying to go into a rant about She-Hulk but my god, the writers!
I really stopped caring about Marvel basically around Loki and Wanda Vision. I saw the downward spiral starting so been seeing what is happening through youtubers to see what is happening in the Disney Marvel/Star Wars. I just think Disney been dropping the ball for years.
9:08, I think that after Endgame, whose title signifies ending, the best thing to do would be to bring back stand-alones but that instead they’ve given practically anything not named Moon Knight a forced connection to the MCU to make sure you have to watch everything else to get to the point of understanding anything that’s going on so that the movies feel less like movies and more like a homework assignment. That’s what I think the problem is. Excessive reliance on shared universes.
Exactly. Phase 1 films pretty much all feel fine as standalone stories. They're tied to a greater whole, but their purpose was mainly to introduce these characters. Thor's film was the only one with a really important connection to The Avengers 2012 due to the presence of Loki as the main villain. And from The Avengers 2012 onward, almost every new character introduced was relegated to a supporting role, including Hulk who got his own standalone film for Phase 1. After 2012, everything was built to work towards Endgame, and once it came and went, there's little reason to stay invested. The big story is finally over, yet they still want to tell stories. Unfortunately, because of such big events happening, it'd be really weird to tell stories that don't intertwine with others due to all the shit that went down the past 10+ years. And it feels like they want to keep everything connected so they can build up to another grand threat (I think they're planning on bringing in Galactus?). The problem is there haven't been and good hints in-show for that, so the constant interlinking of stories just feels like they're making a massive narrative... that's going nowhere, but is somehow still important to watch everything to get the full story. It really does feel like a homework assignment.
@@barret-xiii And She-Hulk of all shows understood this but ignored it. Since She-Hulk told robot Kevin Feige that they could just focus on her life falling apart around her without a climacteric showdown linked to setting up a sequel and have that be her stakes but the show tried to have its cake and eat it too by also having it be a cameo every week show (Hulk, Abomination, Wong, Daredevil) and by bringing in Hulk’s son Skar from Samar to set up the next thing.
I'll be honest, I was into marvel movies because of Ironman, now that there is no more Ironman, I've lost interest (except for guardians of the galaxy) 😂😂😂 As I wasn't as invested, I totally feel burnout from too many heroe movies/series. Edit: 3:51 my understanding is that the people in charge of Multiverse of Mandess didn't watch Wandavision before creating the script, I've heard many people saying it felt off.
Something I've recently realized woth phase 4 was that I was willing to let alot of stuff slide cause I could watch and talk about it with my now ex, and without him the stuff just doesn't have the same drive or appeal
She-Hulk ignored the lore and subverted the character while, simultaneously, shitting all over established characters and lore. Hawkeye made Hawkeye a co-star in his own show and Wanda-Vision went to some really ridiculous, vaguely stereotypically-female places that really panned out in the *worst* of ways with the move... Doctor Strange 2, which was also another bait-and-switch, just like Hawkeye. Loki took a dump all over Loki and, once again, made him essentially a co-star in his own show and Black Widow was way too late and incredibly dumb anyway. All of these were relatively unintelligent, poorly written shows that went more for emotions and messages over really dyed-in-the-wool, true-blue representations of what each of them should have been. They all went off-track in favor of Disney-messaging and paid for it in stories that, however they started, ended somewhere completely different and they were, honestly, never that great to begin with. It's been strange, seeing this subversions over and over and over again, of the legacy characters or of male characters, even when it gets to the point where it grates, narratively, or grates, especially, logically. It doesn't fit, it doesn't flow and you know it, you feel it, but they keep pushing it anyway and it just grates more and more. I really don't think that anyone sane is going to be talking about any of the recent movies or the Disney+ extensions in any favorable way inside of a year from their respective release dates - none of them make sense, none of them resonate and few of them matter and those that *do* matter, they often do not matter in a positive sense. They matter in the same way that the latest Dr. Who matters ;D She overwrote lore, destroyed lore and absolutely *ruined* a legacy XD Pertinent? Sure. Good? Hell no.
You are right they're always going to be haters out there that's why the best thing to do is just ignore them I wish Disney would realize this and focus on making the best MCU product they can do because they still got people supporting them so Disney / Marvel should focus on making them happy
I don't want to hate Marvel I really don't but like what other emotion should I portray for a product that I don't like or agree with anymore? Should I be forcing myself to sit through Dr. Strange 2 and Thor love and thunder even though I don't want to or like them anymore. I'm allowed to dislike something even if the think I dislike gets in the way of what you like, I like Stanley Kubrick films, I like horror movies, I like Dead space, Dead By Daylight, F.E.A.R. you can hate those things too but I won't give a shit
There was no hate during phase one of Marvel cause it was good stuff that kept very close to the comics. If they kept closer to the comics source material, good stories and no politics they would have no trolls or extremely little to complain about. This stuff has the potential to be so much better but sadly the comics and the movies have bad writers on it and its being pooped out with no care of stringing it together like phase one.
Yeah any case I can recall off the top of my head, where a piece of media tries to address the critics in their tv show. Reminds me of teen titans go. They made a fair few episode to address their critics, only to come off as having no idea what the criticisms are or failing to understand why the critics think the way they do. Often being rather hostile in the way they address their critics, making me truly doubt if the point was to change the minds of their critics or just to shame them. While making their fans suffer through a episode that is more focus on attacking the critics, they forget to be entertaining. Which also has the downside of making the creators look insane, if not just simply childish with the way they react. For Ultraman Z. It had one episode that wasn't the greatest. You could see what they were going for but seem like it needed just a bit more to it. To properly flesh things out. With the idea having been handle better in past ultraman shows. Which thankfully, they had the mind set of creating a good show. For overall Z is a blast to watch. If they had the mind set that is rather common these days with western creators. They would tank the quality of the show, just to get back at a few critics. For the best way to deal with any critics, is just to focus on making a good product. Which is surprising when professionals, who are meant to have higher standards then fan fic writers can't understand.
@@norouziman8748 people have the right to like or dislike something. If you don't like the MCU that is totally fine. Speaking of Dead space are you interested in playing the remake
The fact that Phase 4 pulls more from the All New All Different Era of Marvel where they were more focused on replacing Legacy characters with “modern reinterpretations” vs adapting the more timeless stories probably doesn’t help with the quality of the MCU. It kinda reminds me of when the DCEU was trying to pull from New 52 with its tone and writing but at least that was the recent run of the comics at the time when making them. Even Sony’s new Spidey movies more pull from the Miles Morales run of the series so much so they had to alter Miles’ origin story when Into the Spiderverse came out so people wouldn’t notice hence why Ganke was reduced to a minor non speaking cameo in the final movie. Sure you could argue that The Raimi and Webb movies already did it but there’s still much more classic Spidey comics that you could pull from that haven’t been touched yet. Also I’m tired of the “fans with criticism=trolls” crap that started with Ghostbusters 2016. I feel like it’s like that scene from Princess Bride where “they keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.” The fact that Sonic the Hedgehog of all things was one of the recent exceptions where they listened to that fanbase instead of belittling them (despite it being notoriously one of the worse) is telling.
I was excited to see Hugh Jackman announced for Deadpool 3. But, then I realized we're talking about Disney here. Do we really think they're going to give Ryan Reynolds/the writers of Deadpool 3 carte blanche to do the kind of humor and story that were in the first couple of Deadpool films? I'd almost be willing to bet money that they'll have problems, it'll get delayed, someone will get fired, someone will bow out or they'll scrap it altogether between now and 2024.
What I always said is that after endgame it should of went back to small scale with daredevil, punisher ect then built back up to universe level threat
I miss the days where I only had to watch movies in the Marvel universe. Now we have tv shows as well, and it’s a big mess. The MCU installments used to feel like events, but now they feel like products. There’s some I still enjoyed, like WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Shang Chi, and Hawkeye, but the rest has been a mixed bag. Falcon and The Winter Soldier was disappointing, Ms. Marvel was directionless, and She-Hulk was straight up awful. Ant Man 3 could be good, but the only Marvel film I’m really excited for is Guardians Vol. 3. Everything else I’m not holding my breath on.
I really liked WandaVision, Loki, Black Widow (I know some things could've been better, but I loved the characters, sue me XD), and No Way Home. Shang-Chi and Moon Knight were pretty decent. But everything else has been painfully average or just bad... it's sad because I didn't even get REALLY invested in the MCU until after Endgame came out and I got a Disney+ subscription and could finally go back and watch all the movies I'd missed, but now I don't get to experience the hype for upcoming movies cause I've lost faith that they'll be good. Oh well, at least phases 1-3 are safe, and I can just rewatch them for the rest of time lol
They got as far as they could depending only on "Fans" with Endgame. Their idea was to increase the Brand by way of Representation. Having the need for checking off Boxes became more important than Story or Character. The Creatives that brought us The Winter Soldier - Civil War - Infinity War & Endgame are nowhere in sight. But we do have Namor - trust me, I am rolling the "R"!
It's not falling, it's dead. There is no longer a true villain (nobody is totally evil). There are no more challenges, everything can be solved by traveling through time or going to another universe (Rick and Morty style.) Too many jokes (please fire Taika Waitit). The new characters are despicable and the old ones have been modified beyond recognition. MCU died with Iron man.
In my opinion this was always inevitable, and I don't mean that as some joke or pun. When they first started the MCU, the crap that is going on now in the movies and TV shows was going on in the comics back then. When the MCU first started they didn't just use lesser known characters and build them up, they used the characters they way they were LONG ago compared to now in the comics. Even more so they seem to burn throw what is really a great library of stories from LONG ago that could have kept them going for well past 30 years before even hitting on the stuff going on in the comics now. It was when they brought on Carol Danvers, as not only starting off as Captain Marvel but how she is as Captain Marvel in the comics right now and not back when she was fun and cool as Miss Marvel, that's when I KNEW for a pure fact that after Endgame, they where going to be pushing for the stuff going on in the comics right now! Had they made that push from the start the MCU would have been dead on arrival!
Agatha all along only showcased Agatha's antics in the show like fake pietro and Norm acting weird since she cut his "strings" in ep 3 when she was talking with him. Same with being the person Wanda was talking to in ep 7. It never showed her making the hex
Shazam, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, and the Snyder cut of Justice League were all pretty good, as was The Suicide Squad (emphasis on the THE) and Peacemaker. I have hope they'll pick up steam soon
@@ceooflowrolls2081 most of them were awful especially justice league peacemaker was the only decent one and they already hav problem with amber heard and Ezra bs and cancelling many shows too so i don't hav much hopes tbh
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You know, I keep hearing about corporate meddling when it comes to movies and such, but honestly, looking at the stuff that has been going in Phase 4... What if the opposite is true? What if there's not enough interference? Because to interfere, you need to know what's going on. Meanwhile, movies and TV shows from Phase 4 all seem to be lacking quality control. Although... She-Hulk writers did came out and said they had to fight to keep some of the things in. Funnily enough, the things they wanted to keep were some of the worst scenes in the show (the bathroom scene from Ep. 1). Oh, the sweet irony. That being said, there might still be some sort of quality control, but at this point, it's minimal at most. However, the thing is... The writers might still be mandated to have certain things in it. Have X amounts of jokes, X amount of action scenes, this and that... The comedy in Phase 4 has gotten more and more invasive than in previous movies, and worst of all, the jokes aren't even that funny to begin with. It seems to be the worst of the both worlds, where Marvel simultaneously forces their writers to include certain things for it to be a Marvel project, and yet, they're letting them run rampant with some of the worst ideas imaginable. I think the main issue is... They went in without a plan, without any real outline. Of course, in interviews they claim they did, that the idea of Phase 4 was to deal with the consequences of previous Phases... But watching this stuff, it doesn't really feel like it, does it? Not to mention that they revealed themselves just how much effort they put in those projects. Script for Black Widow? Penned in 11 days. Script for Multiverse of Madness? Written, another writer took over instead, he scrapped the previous one for the sake of his own, then Covid hit, so he scrapped his own script, and in the end, they ended up just writing it as they were filming it (and it shows...). And I wouldn't really say that giving them all more time would be better, the issue seems to be rooted in lack of foresight, self-awareness, and many other things.
No, they wanted to remove the bank scene in Falcon Winter Soldier. They also keep hiring the wrong people. She-Hulk writers. Ms Marvel actor, who didn't want to be an actor, and the writing team
The MCU has seemingly gone downhill since Endgame. But if Disney is willing to allow Marvel Studios to slow down and actually put some effort into quality and if Marvel alters some of their approaches, Phase 5 could prove to be a rebound phase. People do love a comeback story.
It's such a shame because they have these blips of greatness like Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night, just let the MCU be weird and have all these more indie developed projects.
I stopped caring about the MCU long before Endgame came out, but that's cuz I'm just not as into superheroes as most other people. Don't get me wrong I still love them, and still look forward to anything related to my favorites, Such as Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Iron-Man and so on. I'm just more of a little bit of everything type of person, A little bit of Horror, a little bit of Comedy, a little bit of Fantasy, a little bit of Action, and yes even a little bit of Superhero. Once I had my fill of them, I was ready to move on, but they just kept going. Nothing wrong with them or anything I just love a bigger variety of genres is all.
The only Phase 4 Related I've seen were WandaVision, What-If Show, and Spider-Man: NWH... I only loved watching Spider-Man: NWH, it's not that great in terms of Writing Structure but was a Fun but Flawed Film. I thought WandaVision started strong but ended poorly. What-If Show was a headache! I dropped it after 5 Episodes! I don't give a damn for their other shows/movies at all & what made irked me the most was the Flanderization of She-Hulk (and my man The Hulk😖), meet Psuedo-SheHulk everybody! I for 1 strongly agree what you are saying and that their "New Direction" lacks Focus, actual Creativity, and just disrespecting both the Original Source Material & their Audience (Hate to be blunt but you have to be Naive if they are not doing that at all, and this is coming from someone who isn't that smart).
I've felt kinda "forced" to watch the recent MCU shows. After Loki my excitement for MCU content has quickly declined. I didnt even finish She-hulk and nothing upcoming is really grabbing my attention anymore, except maybe Guardians 3 and Antman. Contrast this to before Endgame when I'd consume any MCU content I could find.
I think a great deal of the reason for the changes to Namor is not royalties, its the fact that Aquaman stole their thunder. Namor came out years before Aquaman, but the film version, Aquaman stole all of Namor's schtick, stealing the king of Atlantis part, stealing even parts of his look and personality. So Marvel went another direction and decided to try to pander to hispanics, and its just sad looking.
I Knew Something was Off about Phase 4 since Far from Home and boy I was Right because other than Hawkeye,Loki,Moon Knight,Spider-man No Way Home,and Werewolf by Night,The MCU is a Disaster,To Me Wakanda Forever won't be the End of Phase 4 but the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special would be the Best Last Marvel Project of this Year,I'm Not Sure if Phase 5 and 6 would ever have a Future.
Yeah the movies are disjointed. In Wakanda Forever no other Avengers went to TChalla's funeral. Also there's like a world ending event in every movie that doesnt matter in the next movie.
I'd say that the MCU actually visibly started to come apart actually at End Game. End Game is where we really see the start of Feige in particular intentionally ruining the characters by disfigureing them into polar opposites like soy boy Hulk and Fat Thor. The problem actually goes bar faaar earlier in the MCU though. The MCU wasn't just started and created by one person calling all the shots with total authority like the position they've placed Feige in. It was started by a number of creative people like Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston, Art Marcum, Hawk Ostby, Mark Fergus, and many more. They did have oversight on those movies and it was filtered through a number of corporate people who made sure the deals got done. Feige happened to be one of those people that made sure the deals got done and that's how he ended up as the head of that division. Problem is all the real creative talent decided they wanted to so other things such as Favreau moving over to SW with Lucas Films. Most, but not all mind you, of the actual talented people moved on leaving the MCU to be ran by much less creative individuals. That's why later into the MCU leading up to the back half to end game gets criticism for being too formulaic and kind of boring. If that wasn't bad enough, after Black Panther Feige was given total control over everything Marvel and he is clearly not a very creative person from what we've seen on screen.
Remember when She-Hulk was like "Sorry incels, this show is not for you," and then proceeded to admit that the show was specifically designed to troll incels (and people who they label incels for not siding with their political agendas
I think a lot of this may depend upon how well received Black Panther. If they balance the tone of this movie correctly the next phase of Marvel may succeed and if it doesn't I don't see the future of Marvel as bright.
Phase 4 is interesting, I really liked moon knight, Loki, wandavision and spider man no way home. Falcon and winter solider was pretty good imo. I like Thor 4 but it felt meh throwing away the guardians and thors emotional baggage away so quickly. I was okay with dr strange MoM but I didn’t like how aggressive Wanda got it felt like a big leap even after her show. She hulk…😬 Phase 4 has been a lot and they definitely should slow down, a lot of the backbone and story efforts seem to be in the tv shows, if your just watching the movies I can see being disappointed with this phase but with the shows I feel like it’s been a pretty decent phase. I do wish they’d treat the VFX workers and everyone better because the quality doesn’t really matter if the workers are mistreated…
She-Hulk is the strongest character in the MCU. Like a Marry Sue, if MCU losing the incursion she could just break the forth wall and ask the writer to destory the other earth in order to save the MCU main earth. If Kang is about to win she could marry sue the kevin tell him to rewrite the final act so that Kang could lose. Imagine she was in in the Infinity wars.... we could not have seen EndGame lol!
I'd like to give the MCU the benefit of the doubt and just say that they missed the mark, but with every new property to come out this feels more and more deliberate. Almost like they don't even try to deliver excellence anymore. Why strive for success if you can just condition your audience to accept bland, mediocre "yet another Marvel action hero movie" faire and make decent money? It's like they're franchising, much like previously beloved fastfood places that turn their signature dishes into a bland mush that can be made anywhere by anyone with at least three functional limbs to the same low standards.
Not to mention an extreme hatred for men is also starting to creep it's way into the MCU[extreme/extremist feminism] as well as Gen Z and all their baggage as well, being so freaking Woke that it becomes so annoying and cringey that it's hard to even watch anymore, that goes with other shows and movies outside of the MCU, basically Hollywood is trying way to hard to stay inside the box and cater to Gen Z and the woke culture, because their afraid of cancel culture which honestly is ruining everything good in this world, ya can't even sneeze these days without offending someone.
I think Phase 4 is fine. Not the best of the Phases, but fine. I think it's clear the majority of the writers are still putting in effort (except for the She-Hulk writers). Also, many new characters within the MCU, I feel, are well done. Kate Bishop is a great character and I sense a mentor/student friendship between her and Clint. I like Ms. Marvel! I don't deny her power change was bad, but they stay true to who she is as a person. The only character I cannot and will not defend is She-Hulk! Jen is completely unlikable, she does nothing truly heroic the entire show, and she never has character growth! I've never read the She-Hulk comics, but hearing what you and other fans say about Jen from the comics, this is a poor representation of a beloved superhero. These are just my thoughts though. Let me know what you agree and disagree with.
Marvel Shills: "It's time for women to step up in superhero roles." Ms. Marvel: "I now have cool bracelets. I can now be super famous." She-Hulk: "I don't want to go around saving people. I'd rather be a lawyer."
I think the infinity war and endgame was like they were harvesting all their plotpoints and characters for the bountiful feast. Now that's over they go back to the field and it's empty with only a few lose ends and the soil has little to grow from. So phase 4 was "throw whatever at the wall to see what sticks" and hope the deluge of content with fertilize the field of new ideas and characters. Now if that's successful or not depends on if people LIKE those ideas and characters and it's not really been happening for the most part.
Ignoring all of the wokeness, the MCU lost focus. The Infinity Stones were definite objects with set powers and they had a purpose. The multiverse is a vague concept, and it's not clear what things are leading to. We all knew that the stones would be gathered and there'd be a showdown with Thanos since 2012. Outside of some vague hints about Kang the Conqueror- a hopelessly inferior villain next to Thanos- we have no idea where things are going.
I thought Phase 4 was when they made it apparent they are trying to make the original fans of these IPs hate them now. It's being made bad and pushing weird agendas on purpose in part to piss off the fans of the original IP. I think the appropriate response is the same we would have for any random bad fan fiction we stumbled across online or out in the world. Mockery. It's not canon and they can dump as many billions of $$$ into telling me it is until they're bankrupt but it won't make be believe something like that. This stuff is just bad fan fiction that Disney is legally allowed to use the names of because they spent millions to do so. If you had those millions to waste, you too could have made your own fan fiction universe, put it out on the silver screen, and tell everyone "this is the canon now" but nothing stops all of the rest of society from saying "no. it's not." In short-I don't care what they do anymore with their IPs. None of that is any more than poor fan fiction with a ton of money dumped into it in the hopes that tricks me into treating it like canon. Sorry, but that trick doesn't work on me. Not anymore, anyway. The more they wanna make it bad or make it to piss me off, the more desperate and humorous it comes off as.
I don't think it's not having something to work towards. I think it's just incompetence. The writing is horrible, the directing is sub-par, the casting is . . . well, the casting is still good, but the actors are all wasted in their roles. Marvel seems to think that they don't have to try anymore, that we'll buy anything, so they're trying to milk the cash cow as hard and fast as they can. It's destroying the quality of the films and will kill the franchise.
Marvel Phase Bore killed the MCU for me. When I find the movie "Blacklight" with Liam Neeson (a movie that was Neeson's lowest-grossing movie of all time) better than what Marvel is putting out, there's something wrong.
We are in an era where entertainment is being hijacked by activism and a lot of Marvel's phase 4 feels like the creators using the storylines and the characters to push their messages.
They talk about "trolls" who they are actually talking about actual She Hulk fans because they are the only ones who would care about it. Its an ego trip and vengeance they wanted to seek from people who didn't like Captain Marvel or many phase 4 decisions. Sucks for them because you can't troll "trolls" because all they want is reaction. But the fans are the ones who decide if the show will continue or be successful. Unless the studio foolishly wants to stay in their dream world and lose tons of money.
0:28 The main ingredient of the formula is public interest. Without it, any other ingredients are moot. Nobody heard the news about the new Universal monster movies and said "Ooh! I can't wait to see it!" They said "Really? Is there a market for that? Has there been some dearth of Universal monster movie adaptations I'm not aware of? Are you sure you guys don't want to test the waters by having at least one movie hit (or miss) before you announce the connected universe? Okay. Good luck with that." The fact that it was connected was supposed to be the selling point. Well, that plus the celebrity faces. They figured those were the main ingredients of the formula. They were incorrect.
Thanks for this video! I love hearing from women that are noticing the problems as well, because as guys, we are regularly called trolls and haters any time we dare to say anything disparaging about Marvels phase 4. I've been a fan of Hulk and She-Hulk since I was a kid, and it's heartbreaking to me what they did with this series. Tatiana Maslany is fantastic, but yeah, the content overall was inconsistent and often eye-rolling. I do think Ms Marvel is a bit underrated, because even though her powers are a bit silly, I thought it was actually pretty well written overall. Well, the ending turned a bit Home Alone -ish, but I went in expecting to hate it. And I got some fun and well thought out characters that I actually kinda felt for... plus it was surprisingly educational too! I did enjoy Hawkeye and don't feel like it gets enough credit. I appreciate that it was a decent linear story and didn't feel forced. And I did like Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness, but I miiiiiiight be swayed because of Sam Raimi. Plus I was always so so on the first Doctor Strange movie, so I appreciated this one more. But yeah, everything else has been varying degrees of meh to just bad, and it's so frustrating because of all the potential they have. These stories and characters have survived for decades because they are well written and loved. But it feels like they stopped caring about the fans that have kept this franchise going for so long, and it's heartbreaking. Stop worrying about fancy effects and connecting everything and just give us decent story and characters and we'll support it completely.
The MCU is restarting. Just like the first 6 films, we need new introductions to new characters and new teams...and not many of the 1st phase were that successful. Also....COVID fkd us up, I'm just happy they pushed through to give us something. We were stuck at home, needed Disney+. And yeah, eternals sucked.
Oh I agree with you that Phase 4 feels rather directionless, and it's as if the shows and movies aren't or hardly affecting each other. Two other big points is 1) the screenwriting, the stories at their core, have fallen in quality and coherency, and 2) Marvel really does feel like they're going for quantity over quality. I've seen some people say, "Well the MCU doesn't always have to connect and have a big overarching story." The issue with that is the MCU was designed to be connected, at least up through Endgame. So it's fair to say (some) audience members are now confused of as to why Phase 4 feels rather disconnected. At the same time, unless I'm mistaken, it still feels like the MCU is wanting to build to the next big thing - I think it's supposed to be a show down with Kang - but they're doing a poor job of it. So the MCU as a whole right now is, to me and I'm sure many others, unclear of what they're even doing. Are they or are they not trying to build to another Big Thing? Is the MCU actually attempting to just to one off stories with no connection to anything else? It's messy.
The MCU lacks a proper focus on the overall storyline narrative of the world. I do not think even Ant-man and the Wasp 3 could save the series given how they had missed opportunities to build up their foe.
as far I'm cornered phase 1 - 3 is the ultimate marvel superhero movie collection to binge watch nothing else is gonna match it, then came phase 4 except for spider man movies & Doctor Strange everything has been meh to watch it once than move on.
Yes... She-Hulk literally asked to speak to the manager. Let that sink in.
Breaking the fourth wall, and criticizing your writing does not make you great, it proves that you don't know what you are thinking.
@@sebastiantrias1529 a lot of comic characters do that tbh
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I feel like Phase 4 is trying to have it's cake and eating it too. Like, a lot of the shows and movies are trying to be self-contained. However, the phase is also trying to have a major theme in the multiverse, and you end up with an overarching issue where these individual plots are set in the same universe, but do little or no effort in trying to connect them together. Seriously, Loki, No Way Home, and MOM are all about the multiverse, but they don't feel like they affect each other in any way.
Not to mention each being extremely contradictory to not just prior m.c.u. in general but each other!
So perfectly stated. The MCU is trying to give us standalone projects, while building a multiverse story at the same time. That is not a good idea in almost any way. The movies/shows contradict each other. Characters don't seem to know things or just ignored things for the sake of the plot. Why didn't Thor go to Eternity and wish for The Infinity Stones to lose all power? Why not use the dark magic book(forgot the name sorry) to destroy Thanos or imprison him? A multiverse, imo, is never a good idea and the MCU is really messing the concept up.
When you said phase 4, I suddenly started thinking about the character phase 4 from dead or alive lol XD
"Seriously, Loki, No Way Home, and MOM are all about the multiverse, but they don't feel like they affect each other in any way."
I'm gonna add on top of this point and make it even worse. Loki (the story that reintroduced the multiverse into the MCU- yes reintroduce because the first Dr. Strange film did it first on a looser premise) and MOM have the same writer (who wrote for Rick and Morty btw) & yet those stories rules for the multiverse and events surrounding them don't affect each other either. The same writer couldn't even keep his own rules consistent. 🤡🤡🤡
@@briannawilliams3155Are you surprised, they hired the same writer behind"PICKLE RICK"as She Hulk's showrunner! Wich shows utter incompetence and disintrest in doing a job/well more being into ticking off boxes!
I didn’t know they changed Namor like that specifically for the purpose of screwing people out of royalties… that’s messed up.
Companies are doing this all the time. In new Green Lantern animated movie we have members of Sinestro corps but changed a "little" and without a their logo. This way you can literally eat your cake and still have it. You can use well know characters and don't pay a cent to their creators.
The people at Marvel are trying to change what the name "Namor" means, when Namor is just "Roman" spelled backwards.
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I don't get it.
For Infinity War & Endgame, they went Wayyyy out of their way to track down Artists & Writers, giving them Bonus Checks for the work they had done 20-30 years ago. Jim Starlin, the Writer for the Comics version & Creator of Thanos, even got a roll in Endgame. He was part of the Therapy Group Cap was in.
Spiderman has sent big checks off to Steve Ditko's family.
Why Cheap Out for Bill Everett? Or did they want too much?
Man, I thought the stuff with Namor's backstory was to avoid comparisons to Aquaman. Had no idea about the royalties thing.
Toatally agree with all of this, especially about WandaVision. I don’t understand why Agatha was punished while Wanda got to walk away scott free, despite committing the bigger crime.
Who was gonna stop her? Lol
exactly
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The biggest problem is they force you watch all of it, even the nobody TV shows for the failure characters or using established ones to prop another up. Most being relegated to cheerleaders for New characters no one knows nor cares about, especially given the comics they haven't been apart of as long as many characters they barely want to use.
Yeah, I refuse to play along. I've skipped the last several Disney+ shows and don't plan on ever watching them. After reading the list of upcoming show, looks like I'll be skipping most of those as well.
if they were trying to "force me to watch" - it didnt work lol
The namor situation is an absolute scumbag move.
fax bro I'm so mad
Thank you for sharing the real reason they made Namor the Sub-Mariner into Nah-mor, the boy without love. I knew it couldn't have been for all the fake reasons that they were trying to use online and something realistically cynical like a company that makes millions hand over fist being too cheap to pay royalties to the original creators.
the lack of direction for Phase 4 is on point; I also think that in an effort to pump out more content they keep introducing new characters into their new TV shows (like Echo, the Eternals, Shang Chi, etc) If they want to keep introducing more heroes (be it for representation or simply pumping content) they should consider making standalone films that don't have the pressure of mattering to the rest of the MCU
No lack of direction lol
3:10 Just like the 'Mother of Dragons' in Game of Thrones, Wanda rushed trough the process of going over into unbridled evil too quickly with insufficient motivation to do so either.
The end result was acceptable in concept but the impatience to get there was the result of a writing team wanting to be the one to tell the story of the Scarlet Witch's start of darkness before another writing team picked up the hints dropped in Wandavision.
I consider myself a casual consumer of the MCU. I had no interest in She Hulk so I didn't watch it. The fact that I can't enjoy these characters without an agenda, is crazy. But I appreciate people like yourself that offer constructive criticism.
I appreciate channels like these just to get the gossip. The only Marvel movie I've seen was Guardians of the Galaxy; and I didn't like it. I just like to see how the wokeness unfolds
whats the agenda?
Tony Stark did not sacrifice his life so the MCU can be reduced to crap.
Earth's Mightiest Heroes, possibly the greatest Marvel cartoon ever made, was cancelled for the MCU. And THAT'S what you're upset about? All due respect, his heroes' death is hardly the tragedy here.
@@Ninja07Keaton obviously I meant the content after the latest Spiderman movie has gone to crap. She Hulk should have been a success, but instead marvel wanted use the show to call out trolls? Come on now, as for Earth's mightiest heroes I too was hurt when it was canned.
I miss not being excited for an MCU film or a superhero film in general. Black Adam was very formulaic but was at least very entertaining and enjoyable. I also loved the introduction of the JSA and hope to see those characters again.
It’s definitely a problem they have right now. You might have had a point if 3/4 of the stuff that’s come out since Endgame didn’t feel rushed to hell and back and just have such unsatisfying conclusions. There’s such a thing as “Spreading Yourself Too Thin” is all. You can hire a million employees to distribute the workload but you still have the problem of pumping them out too much too quickly.
i think your compleatly right, they nolonger care about these characters. i also think part of the problem actually lies in that the movies are to dam long to acomadate all the easter eggs and asetting up the next movies to come out. that also leaves the movies fealing unsatisfying because you not getting a compleated story. matvel and dc will both needs to master the art of creating a conected but discontected world.
I'm personally not really that upset about this since I already got a satisfyingly ending to the story with end game and knew that this would happen eventually, no story can ever last forever. However I am still sad that the new characters like Moon Knight and Ms.Marvel arn't getting the quality or thought that they deserve and I hate how the VFX artist are basically being worked into states of depression.
I do find a lot of stuff in Phase 4 has been pretty weak compared to come of the past ones. Not helped by the fact we tend to get so much stuff to try to process in this phase with less downtime. I was really hoping She-Hulk would be good, but it sadly wasn't. So far, the best things in the MCU phase 4 to me were No Way Home and Moon Knight.
I felt like even Moon Knight had its issues near the end though. That being said I did like how they tried to go with a darker and more serious tone in general, so I enjoyed seeing something new in that regard. And I think No Way Home is more just fan service personally, but at the same time I also ate that up and it's one of my favorite movies of all time.
So I fully agree as well, although I also liked LOKI, one of the few shows with the joke formula I didn't mind but admittedly it does get pretty weird and strange. But I liked the character development of Loki enough to let it slide for me.
But even the best of Phase 4 seems not so perfect IMO which I guess is my point. But again I do agree with you.
and shang chi as well
“All men are bad.”
“Why did men stop watching She Hulk?”
"We made this show to troll trolls"
"Why don't we have any fans?"
If you got “all men are bad” from that? Word how? Bruce ended up being right. Bro, is a Disney show too much for you to handle
No surprise, this was gonna happen at one ponit and knew that there popularity was gonna worn off eventually!
@Alligator Loki yes it's still making money
The MCU should have ended with Endgame, The Snap and Unsnap were such large events that it's consequences should be felt for decades after they happened. There is no sensible way to continue a setting after something like that happens.
Now every movie seems to have universal/multiversal stakes
I agree that it's more of an issue of quality control than audience fatigue. If these products were as good as previous movies or shows (So far the Disney+ shows haven't come close to the quality of the Netflix shows). Phase 4 is incredibly directionless and disconnected, with the individual products being pretty mediocre on average.
For me, Phase 4 has been really hit or miss and sadly it's been going down. Starting with WandaVision, I thought it was pretty good. The only thing that bother me was hearing afterword. Doctor Strange was going to be the hero in the show but it was changed because for ridiculous reasons. Captain America and the Winter Solider was fine, I was excited to birth of a new villian. Loki, Moon Knight and Hawkeye was the best show from Phase 4. The only one that bombed was She-hulk, in everything I've seen so far from Phase 4. How does a 9 episode series have pacing issues!? I've seen long multiple long running series better paced then this. This show needed maybe 4 1/2 of the episodes of the nine that was streamed. Her show should of ended after Mat left Jen's place, then start having Jen doing superhero work on the side. Or have Jen defend herself in court from her hero actives. Heck, I would have settled for having the show focused on courtroom cases, but have it funny like the ace attorney law series. I think I laughed more times watching Judge Judy, then I had with all of She-Hulk.
I don't hate She-Hulk, I have seen her character in plenty of different cartoons shows. She's pretty great in all of the other cartoons she's in. But this show, she just sucks. There is only 5 things I really enjoyed here: Mat, Madisyn, Nikki, Bonding with Bruce and that scene when Jen talks about her relationship with She-Hulk, that's it.
Wow, I was not trying to go into a rant about She-Hulk but my god, the writers!
I really stopped caring about Marvel basically around Loki and Wanda Vision. I saw the downward spiral starting so been seeing what is happening through youtubers to see what is happening in the Disney Marvel/Star Wars. I just think Disney been dropping the ball for years.
9:08, I think that after Endgame, whose title signifies ending, the best thing to do would be to bring back stand-alones but that instead they’ve given practically anything not named Moon Knight a forced connection to the MCU to make sure you have to watch everything else to get to the point of understanding anything that’s going on so that the movies feel less like movies and more like a homework assignment. That’s what I think the problem is. Excessive reliance on shared universes.
Exactly. Phase 1 films pretty much all feel fine as standalone stories. They're tied to a greater whole, but their purpose was mainly to introduce these characters. Thor's film was the only one with a really important connection to The Avengers 2012 due to the presence of Loki as the main villain. And from The Avengers 2012 onward, almost every new character introduced was relegated to a supporting role, including Hulk who got his own standalone film for Phase 1.
After 2012, everything was built to work towards Endgame, and once it came and went, there's little reason to stay invested. The big story is finally over, yet they still want to tell stories. Unfortunately, because of such big events happening, it'd be really weird to tell stories that don't intertwine with others due to all the shit that went down the past 10+ years. And it feels like they want to keep everything connected so they can build up to another grand threat (I think they're planning on bringing in Galactus?). The problem is there haven't been and good hints in-show for that, so the constant interlinking of stories just feels like they're making a massive narrative... that's going nowhere, but is somehow still important to watch everything to get the full story. It really does feel like a homework assignment.
@@barret-xiii My sentiments exactly.
@@barret-xiii And She-Hulk of all shows understood this but ignored it. Since She-Hulk told robot Kevin Feige that they could just focus on her life falling apart around her without a climacteric showdown linked to setting up a sequel and have that be her stakes but the show tried to have its cake and eat it too by also having it be a cameo every week show (Hulk, Abomination, Wong, Daredevil) and by bringing in Hulk’s son Skar from Samar to set up the next thing.
I'll be honest, I was into marvel movies because of Ironman, now that there is no more Ironman, I've lost interest (except for guardians of the galaxy) 😂😂😂 As I wasn't as invested, I totally feel burnout from too many heroe movies/series.
Edit: 3:51 my understanding is that the people in charge of Multiverse of Mandess didn't watch Wandavision before creating the script, I've heard many people saying it felt off.
You get Iron Heart soon:
Black, female Iron Man. Like it, or you're a racist misogynist
@@O1OO1O1 Black, Female, TEENAGE Ironman. Don’t leave out “ageist” from the list of potential slurs you can throw at the audience.
@@Garthantula stop microaggressing me
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I would have totally digged Pepper being a super hero, shame we never got that (she got an armor in Ironman 3)
@@Nateiliand I suggest you look into how committed Paltrow was to the role.
Something I've recently realized woth phase 4 was that I was willing to let alot of stuff slide cause I could watch and talk about it with my now ex, and without him the stuff just doesn't have the same drive or appeal
She-Hulk ignored the lore and subverted the character while, simultaneously, shitting all over established characters and lore. Hawkeye made Hawkeye a co-star in his own show and Wanda-Vision went to some really ridiculous, vaguely stereotypically-female places that really panned out in the *worst* of ways with the move... Doctor Strange 2, which was also another bait-and-switch, just like Hawkeye. Loki took a dump all over Loki and, once again, made him essentially a co-star in his own show and Black Widow was way too late and incredibly dumb anyway. All of these were relatively unintelligent, poorly written shows that went more for emotions and messages over really dyed-in-the-wool, true-blue representations of what each of them should have been. They all went off-track in favor of Disney-messaging and paid for it in stories that, however they started, ended somewhere completely different and they were, honestly, never that great to begin with. It's been strange, seeing this subversions over and over and over again, of the legacy characters or of male characters, even when it gets to the point where it grates, narratively, or grates, especially, logically. It doesn't fit, it doesn't flow and you know it, you feel it, but they keep pushing it anyway and it just grates more and more. I really don't think that anyone sane is going to be talking about any of the recent movies or the Disney+ extensions in any favorable way inside of a year from their respective release dates - none of them make sense, none of them resonate and few of them matter and those that *do* matter, they often do not matter in a positive sense. They matter in the same way that the latest Dr. Who matters ;D She overwrote lore, destroyed lore and absolutely *ruined* a legacy XD Pertinent? Sure. Good? Hell no.
You are right they're always going to be haters out there that's why the best thing to do is just ignore them I wish Disney would realize this and focus on making the best MCU product they can do because they still got people supporting them so Disney / Marvel should focus on making them happy
I wish they'd do the same thing with their mainline movies too.
I don't want to hate Marvel I really don't but like what other emotion should I portray for a product that I don't like or agree with anymore? Should I be forcing myself to sit through Dr. Strange 2 and Thor love and thunder even though I don't want to or like them anymore. I'm allowed to dislike something even if the think I dislike gets in the way of what you like, I like Stanley Kubrick films, I like horror movies, I like Dead space, Dead By Daylight, F.E.A.R. you can hate those things too but I won't give a shit
There was no hate during phase one of Marvel cause it was good stuff that kept very close to the comics. If they kept closer to the comics source material, good stories and no politics they would have no trolls or extremely little to complain about. This stuff has the potential to be so much better but sadly the comics and the movies have bad writers on it and its being pooped out with no care of stringing it together like phase one.
Yeah any case I can recall off the top of my head, where a piece of media tries to address the critics in their tv show. Reminds me of teen titans go. They made a fair few episode to address their critics, only to come off as having no idea what the criticisms are or failing to understand why the critics think the way they do. Often being rather hostile in the way they address their critics, making me truly doubt if the point was to change the minds of their critics or just to shame them. While making their fans suffer through a episode that is more focus on attacking the critics, they forget to be entertaining. Which also has the downside of making the creators look insane, if not just simply childish with the way they react.
For Ultraman Z. It had one episode that wasn't the greatest. You could see what they were going for but seem like it needed just a bit more to it. To properly flesh things out. With the idea having been handle better in past ultraman shows. Which thankfully, they had the mind set of creating a good show. For overall Z is a blast to watch. If they had the mind set that is rather common these days with western creators. They would tank the quality of the show, just to get back at a few critics. For the best way to deal with any critics, is just to focus on making a good product. Which is surprising when professionals, who are meant to have higher standards then fan fic writers can't understand.
@@norouziman8748 people have the right to like or dislike something. If you don't like the MCU that is totally fine. Speaking of Dead space are you interested in playing the remake
The fact that Phase 4 pulls more from the All New All Different Era of Marvel where they were more focused on replacing Legacy characters with “modern reinterpretations” vs adapting the more timeless stories probably doesn’t help with the quality of the MCU. It kinda reminds me of when the DCEU was trying to pull from New 52 with its tone and writing but at least that was the recent run of the comics at the time when making them. Even Sony’s new Spidey movies more pull from the Miles Morales run of the series so much so they had to alter Miles’ origin story when Into the Spiderverse came out so people wouldn’t notice hence why Ganke was reduced to a minor non speaking cameo in the final movie. Sure you could argue that The Raimi and Webb movies already did it but there’s still much more classic Spidey comics that you could pull from that haven’t been touched yet.
Also I’m tired of the “fans with criticism=trolls” crap that started with Ghostbusters 2016. I feel like it’s like that scene from Princess Bride where “they keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.” The fact that Sonic the Hedgehog of all things was one of the recent exceptions where they listened to that fanbase instead of belittling them (despite it being notoriously one of the worse) is telling.
I was excited to see Hugh Jackman announced for Deadpool 3. But, then I realized we're talking about Disney here. Do we really think they're going to give Ryan Reynolds/the writers of Deadpool 3 carte blanche to do the kind of humor and story that were in the first couple of Deadpool films? I'd almost be willing to bet money that they'll have problems, it'll get delayed, someone will get fired, someone will bow out or they'll scrap it altogether between now and 2024.
Tell me about it girl.
What I always said is that after endgame it should of went back to small scale with daredevil, punisher ect then built back up to universe level threat
I miss the days where I only had to watch movies in the Marvel universe. Now we have tv shows as well, and it’s a big mess. The MCU installments used to feel like events, but now they feel like products. There’s some I still enjoyed, like WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Shang Chi, and Hawkeye, but the rest has been a mixed bag. Falcon and The Winter Soldier was disappointing, Ms. Marvel was directionless, and She-Hulk was straight up awful.
Ant Man 3 could be good, but the only Marvel film I’m really excited for is Guardians Vol. 3. Everything else I’m not holding my breath on.
Where’d the ‘m’ in mjtanner go? 😰
Yeah, she did say “I’M close to 30k subscribers” and not WE
Isn't M on sabbatical?
That's awsome J. I hope M comes back soon so both of you can continue to do content together. I miss your Pokémon SoulSilver Nuzlocke series
I really liked WandaVision, Loki, Black Widow (I know some things could've been better, but I loved the characters, sue me XD), and No Way Home. Shang-Chi and Moon Knight were pretty decent. But everything else has been painfully average or just bad... it's sad because I didn't even get REALLY invested in the MCU until after Endgame came out and I got a Disney+ subscription and could finally go back and watch all the movies I'd missed, but now I don't get to experience the hype for upcoming movies cause I've lost faith that they'll be good. Oh well, at least phases 1-3 are safe, and I can just rewatch them for the rest of time lol
They got as far as they could depending only on "Fans" with Endgame.
Their idea was to increase the Brand by way of Representation.
Having the need for checking off Boxes became more important than Story or Character.
The Creatives that brought us The Winter Soldier - Civil War - Infinity War & Endgame are nowhere in sight.
But we do have Namor - trust me, I am rolling the "R"!
To quote Audrey 2 no excrement Sherlock!(youtube wants dialogue, pg as possible.)
It's not falling, it's dead.
There is no longer a true villain (nobody is totally evil).
There are no more challenges, everything can be solved by traveling through time or going to another universe (Rick and Morty style.)
Too many jokes (please fire Taika Waitit).
The new characters are despicable and the old ones have been modified beyond recognition.
MCU died with Iron man.
In my opinion this was always inevitable, and I don't mean that as some joke or pun.
When they first started the MCU, the crap that is going on now in the movies and TV shows was going on in the comics back then. When the MCU first started they didn't just use lesser known characters and build them up, they used the characters they way they were LONG ago compared to now in the comics. Even more so they seem to burn throw what is really a great library of stories from LONG ago that could have kept them going for well past 30 years before even hitting on the stuff going on in the comics now.
It was when they brought on Carol Danvers, as not only starting off as Captain Marvel but how she is as Captain Marvel in the comics right now and not back when she was fun and cool as Miss Marvel, that's when I KNEW for a pure fact that after Endgame, they where going to be pushing for the stuff going on in the comics right now! Had they made that push from the start the MCU would have been dead on arrival!
It already fell apart, we're just seeing the rubble through the smoke now.
Agatha all along only showcased Agatha's antics in the show like fake pietro and Norm acting weird since she cut his "strings" in ep 3 when she was talking with him. Same with being the person Wanda was talking to in ep 7. It never showed her making the hex
The people that genuinely cared and paid attention to the little details either left or were pushed out and replaced.
Amen to everything you have said. Yes. They lost the magic looking for a quick buck and forgot what people liked about the Marvel universe.
Great video. I wish DC was doing a better job of picking up the slack.
Shazam, Black Adam, Wonder Woman, and the Snyder cut of Justice League were all pretty good, as was The Suicide Squad (emphasis on the THE) and Peacemaker. I have hope they'll pick up steam soon
They are. Just watch.
@@ceooflowrolls2081 most of them were awful especially justice league peacemaker was the only decent one and they already hav problem with amber heard and Ezra bs and cancelling many shows too so i don't hav much hopes tbh
@@sarov7658 ita your opinion
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Does this mean that M is no longer involved with the channel? 🤷
If an announcement was posted before, then I missed it.
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You know, I keep hearing about corporate meddling when it comes to movies and such, but honestly, looking at the stuff that has been going in Phase 4... What if the opposite is true? What if there's not enough interference? Because to interfere, you need to know what's going on. Meanwhile, movies and TV shows from Phase 4 all seem to be lacking quality control. Although... She-Hulk writers did came out and said they had to fight to keep some of the things in. Funnily enough, the things they wanted to keep were some of the worst scenes in the show (the bathroom scene from Ep. 1). Oh, the sweet irony. That being said, there might still be some sort of quality control, but at this point, it's minimal at most.
However, the thing is... The writers might still be mandated to have certain things in it. Have X amounts of jokes, X amount of action scenes, this and that... The comedy in Phase 4 has gotten more and more invasive than in previous movies, and worst of all, the jokes aren't even that funny to begin with.
It seems to be the worst of the both worlds, where Marvel simultaneously forces their writers to include certain things for it to be a Marvel project, and yet, they're letting them run rampant with some of the worst ideas imaginable.
I think the main issue is... They went in without a plan, without any real outline. Of course, in interviews they claim they did, that the idea of Phase 4 was to deal with the consequences of previous Phases... But watching this stuff, it doesn't really feel like it, does it? Not to mention that they revealed themselves just how much effort they put in those projects. Script for Black Widow? Penned in 11 days. Script for Multiverse of Madness? Written, another writer took over instead, he scrapped the previous one for the sake of his own, then Covid hit, so he scrapped his own script, and in the end, they ended up just writing it as they were filming it (and it shows...). And I wouldn't really say that giving them all more time would be better, the issue seems to be rooted in lack of foresight, self-awareness, and many other things.
No, they wanted to remove the bank scene in Falcon Winter Soldier. They also keep hiring the wrong people. She-Hulk writers. Ms Marvel actor, who didn't want to be an actor, and the writing team
The MCU has seemingly gone downhill since Endgame. But if Disney is willing to allow Marvel Studios to slow down and actually put some effort into quality and if Marvel alters some of their approaches, Phase 5 could prove to be a rebound phase.
People do love a comeback story.
It's such a shame because they have these blips of greatness like Moon Knight and Werewolf by Night, just let the MCU be weird and have all these more indie developed projects.
I stopped caring about the MCU long before Endgame came out, but that's cuz I'm just not as into superheroes as most other people. Don't get me wrong I still love them, and still look forward to anything related to my favorites, Such as Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, Iron-Man and so on. I'm just more of a little bit of everything type of person, A little bit of Horror, a little bit of Comedy, a little bit of Fantasy, a little bit of Action, and yes even a little bit of Superhero. Once I had my fill of them, I was ready to move on, but they just kept going. Nothing wrong with them or anything I just love a bigger variety of genres is all.
The only Phase 4 Related I've seen were WandaVision, What-If Show, and Spider-Man: NWH... I only loved watching Spider-Man: NWH, it's not that great in terms of Writing Structure but was a Fun but Flawed Film. I thought WandaVision started strong but ended poorly. What-If Show was a headache! I dropped it after 5 Episodes! I don't give a damn for their other shows/movies at all & what made irked me the most was the Flanderization of She-Hulk (and my man The Hulk😖), meet Psuedo-SheHulk everybody! I for 1 strongly agree what you are saying and that their "New Direction" lacks Focus, actual Creativity, and just disrespecting both the Original Source Material & their Audience (Hate to be blunt but you have to be Naive if they are not doing that at all, and this is coming from someone who isn't that smart).
If your holding hope for disney-marvel to get better, let's just say your holding onto false hope, which is like fools gold.
I've felt kinda "forced" to watch the recent MCU shows. After Loki my excitement for MCU content has quickly declined. I didnt even finish She-hulk and nothing upcoming is really grabbing my attention anymore, except maybe Guardians 3 and Antman. Contrast this to before Endgame when I'd consume any MCU content I could find.
I think a great deal of the reason for the changes to Namor is not royalties, its the fact that Aquaman stole their thunder. Namor came out years before Aquaman, but the film version, Aquaman stole all of Namor's schtick, stealing the king of Atlantis part, stealing even parts of his look and personality. So Marvel went another direction and decided to try to pander to hispanics, and its just sad looking.
I Knew Something was Off about Phase 4 since Far from Home and boy I was Right because other than Hawkeye,Loki,Moon Knight,Spider-man No Way Home,and Werewolf by Night,The MCU is a Disaster,To Me Wakanda Forever won't be the End of Phase 4 but the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special would be the Best Last Marvel Project of this Year,I'm Not Sure if Phase 5 and 6 would ever have a Future.
Yeah the movies are disjointed. In Wakanda Forever no other Avengers went to TChalla's funeral. Also there's like a world ending event in every movie that doesnt matter in the next movie.
I'd say that the MCU actually visibly started to come apart actually at End Game. End Game is where we really see the start of Feige in particular intentionally ruining the characters by disfigureing them into polar opposites like soy boy Hulk and Fat Thor. The problem actually goes bar faaar earlier in the MCU though. The MCU wasn't just started and created by one person calling all the shots with total authority like the position they've placed Feige in. It was started by a number of creative people like Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston, Art Marcum, Hawk Ostby, Mark Fergus, and many more. They did have oversight on those movies and it was filtered through a number of corporate people who made sure the deals got done. Feige happened to be one of those people that made sure the deals got done and that's how he ended up as the head of that division. Problem is all the real creative talent decided they wanted to so other things such as Favreau moving over to SW with Lucas Films. Most, but not all mind you, of the actual talented people moved on leaving the MCU to be ran by much less creative individuals. That's why later into the MCU leading up to the back half to end game gets criticism for being too formulaic and kind of boring. If that wasn't bad enough, after Black Panther Feige was given total control over everything Marvel and he is clearly not a very creative person from what we've seen on screen.
Around Captain Mehvel, Disney started hiring writers based on skin color and sexuality, and here we are.
Remember when She-Hulk was like "Sorry incels, this show is not for you," and then proceeded to admit that the show was specifically designed to troll incels (and people who they label incels for not siding with their political agendas
I think a lot of this may depend upon how well received Black Panther. If they balance the tone of this movie correctly the next phase of Marvel may succeed and if it doesn't I don't see the future of Marvel as bright.
One thing about Namor is they may also be trying to make his different from DC's Aquaman. That's what I assumed.
1:51, at this point I honestly think the best thing that they could do is go back to stand-alone movies.
Phase 4 is a giant mess.
Phase 4 is interesting, I really liked moon knight, Loki, wandavision and spider man no way home. Falcon and winter solider was pretty good imo. I like Thor 4 but it felt meh throwing away the guardians and thors emotional baggage away so quickly. I was okay with dr strange MoM but I didn’t like how aggressive Wanda got it felt like a big leap even after her show. She hulk…😬
Phase 4 has been a lot and they definitely should slow down, a lot of the backbone and story efforts seem to be in the tv shows, if your just watching the movies I can see being disappointed with this phase but with the shows I feel like it’s been a pretty decent phase. I do wish they’d treat the VFX workers and everyone better because the quality doesn’t really matter if the workers are mistreated…
The term we used to use-
"Dazzle them with Diamonds, or Baffle them with Bullshit".
"Agatha All Along" really just says that Agatha was messing with Wanda's designs. Not that she was behind the "curse"
I would take any episode of Harvey's Bird Lawyer than She-Hulk any day.
It's notable for Star Wars too, to the point Disney has actually admitted they are scared they fucked it up.
She-Hulk is the strongest character in the MCU. Like a Marry Sue, if MCU losing the incursion she could just break the forth wall and ask the writer to destory the other earth in order to save the MCU main earth. If Kang is about to win she could marry sue the kevin tell him to rewrite the final act so that Kang could lose.
Imagine she was in in the Infinity wars.... we could not have seen EndGame lol!
Somedays J you keep me sane lol
Honestly The MCU ended with Endgame. Barely anything post Endgame has justified them continuing after that one.
Good luck on your sub goal!
I'd like to give the MCU the benefit of the doubt and just say that they missed the mark, but with every new property to come out this feels more and more deliberate.
Almost like they don't even try to deliver excellence anymore. Why strive for success if you can just condition your audience to accept bland, mediocre "yet another Marvel action hero movie" faire and make decent money?
It's like they're franchising, much like previously beloved fastfood places that turn their signature dishes into a bland mush that can be made anywhere by anyone with at least three functional limbs to the same low standards.
Not to mention an extreme hatred for men is also starting to creep it's way into the MCU[extreme/extremist feminism] as well as Gen Z and all their baggage as well, being so freaking Woke that it becomes so annoying and cringey that it's hard to even watch anymore, that goes with other shows and movies outside of the MCU, basically Hollywood is trying way to hard to stay inside the box and cater to Gen Z and the woke culture, because their afraid of cancel culture which honestly is ruining everything good in this world, ya can't even sneeze these days without offending someone.
Pushing agenda,, lecturing the fans, destroying established characters, also what was said here. All of this & more has destroyed Marvel & Star Wars.
I think Phase 4 is fine. Not the best of the Phases, but fine. I think it's clear the majority of the writers are still putting in effort (except for the She-Hulk writers). Also, many new characters within the MCU, I feel, are well done. Kate Bishop is a great character and I sense a mentor/student friendship between her and Clint. I like Ms. Marvel! I don't deny her power change was bad, but they stay true to who she is as a person. The only character I cannot and will not defend is She-Hulk! Jen is completely unlikable, she does nothing truly heroic the entire show, and she never has character growth! I've never read the She-Hulk comics, but hearing what you and other fans say about Jen from the comics, this is a poor representation of a beloved superhero. These are just my thoughts though. Let me know what you agree and disagree with.
Quit being a consumer.
Marvel Shills: "It's time for women to step up in superhero roles."
Ms. Marvel: "I now have cool bracelets. I can now be super famous."
She-Hulk: "I don't want to go around saving people. I'd rather be a lawyer."
I think the infinity war and endgame was like they were harvesting all their plotpoints and characters for the bountiful feast. Now that's over they go back to the field and it's empty with only a few lose ends and the soil has little to grow from. So phase 4 was "throw whatever at the wall to see what sticks" and hope the deluge of content with fertilize the field of new ideas and characters.
Now if that's successful or not depends on if people LIKE those ideas and characters and it's not really been happening for the most part.
With Black Panther 2, the wahmen king now out, it is not any better.
I hope M is doing well.
Ignoring all of the wokeness, the MCU lost focus. The Infinity Stones were definite objects with set powers and they had a purpose. The multiverse is a vague concept, and it's not clear what things are leading to. We all knew that the stones would be gathered and there'd be a showdown with Thanos since 2012. Outside of some vague hints about Kang the Conqueror- a hopelessly inferior villain next to Thanos- we have no idea where things are going.
In my opinion, the MCU ended with both Endgame and No Way Home.
The MCU was dead the second the Russo Brothers walked away
Yes I agree with you
The moment time travel was introduced it just lost me.
I thought Phase 4 was when they made it apparent they are trying to make the original fans of these IPs hate them now. It's being made bad and pushing weird agendas on purpose in part to piss off the fans of the original IP. I think the appropriate response is the same we would have for any random bad fan fiction we stumbled across online or out in the world. Mockery. It's not canon and they can dump as many billions of $$$ into telling me it is until they're bankrupt but it won't make be believe something like that. This stuff is just bad fan fiction that Disney is legally allowed to use the names of because they spent millions to do so. If you had those millions to waste, you too could have made your own fan fiction universe, put it out on the silver screen, and tell everyone "this is the canon now" but nothing stops all of the rest of society from saying "no. it's not."
In short-I don't care what they do anymore with their IPs. None of that is any more than poor fan fiction with a ton of money dumped into it in the hopes that tricks me into treating it like canon. Sorry, but that trick doesn't work on me. Not anymore, anyway. The more they wanna make it bad or make it to piss me off, the more desperate and humorous it comes off as.
I don't think it's not having something to work towards. I think it's just incompetence. The writing is horrible, the directing is sub-par, the casting is . . . well, the casting is still good, but the actors are all wasted in their roles. Marvel seems to think that they don't have to try anymore, that we'll buy anything, so they're trying to milk the cash cow as hard and fast as they can. It's destroying the quality of the films and will kill the franchise.
Marvel Phase Bore killed the MCU for me. When I find the movie "Blacklight" with Liam Neeson (a movie that was Neeson's lowest-grossing movie of all time) better than what Marvel is putting out, there's something wrong.
We are in an era where entertainment is being hijacked by activism and a lot of Marvel's phase 4 feels like the creators using the storylines and the characters to push their messages.
They talk about "trolls" who they are actually talking about actual She Hulk fans because they are the only ones who would care about it. Its an ego trip and vengeance they wanted to seek from people who didn't like Captain Marvel or many phase 4 decisions. Sucks for them because you can't troll "trolls" because all they want is reaction. But the fans are the ones who decide if the show will continue or be successful. Unless the studio foolishly wants to stay in their dream world and lose tons of money.
For me, I don't want to watch a bunch of Disney+ shows in order to follow the MCU.
It was much easier when it was one or two movies released per year.
0:28 The main ingredient of the formula is public interest. Without it, any other ingredients are moot.
Nobody heard the news about the new Universal monster movies and said "Ooh! I can't wait to see it!" They said "Really? Is there a market for that? Has there been some dearth of Universal monster movie adaptations I'm not aware of? Are you sure you guys don't want to test the waters by having at least one movie hit (or miss) before you announce the connected universe? Okay. Good luck with that."
The fact that it was connected was supposed to be the selling point. Well, that plus the celebrity faces. They figured those were the main ingredients of the formula. They were incorrect.
Thanks for this video! I love hearing from women that are noticing the problems as well, because as guys, we are regularly called trolls and haters any time we dare to say anything disparaging about Marvels phase 4.
I've been a fan of Hulk and She-Hulk since I was a kid, and it's heartbreaking to me what they did with this series. Tatiana Maslany is fantastic, but yeah, the content overall was inconsistent and often eye-rolling.
I do think Ms Marvel is a bit underrated, because even though her powers are a bit silly, I thought it was actually pretty well written overall. Well, the ending turned a bit Home Alone -ish, but I went in expecting to hate it. And I got some fun and well thought out characters that I actually kinda felt for... plus it was surprisingly educational too!
I did enjoy Hawkeye and don't feel like it gets enough credit. I appreciate that it was a decent linear story and didn't feel forced.
And I did like Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness, but I miiiiiiight be swayed because of Sam Raimi. Plus I was always so so on the first Doctor Strange movie, so I appreciated this one more.
But yeah, everything else has been varying degrees of meh to just bad, and it's so frustrating because of all the potential they have. These stories and characters have survived for decades because they are well written and loved. But it feels like they stopped caring about the fans that have kept this franchise going for so long, and it's heartbreaking. Stop worrying about fancy effects and connecting everything and just give us decent story and characters and we'll support it completely.
The MCU is restarting. Just like the first 6 films, we need new introductions to new characters and new teams...and not many of the 1st phase were that successful. Also....COVID fkd us up, I'm just happy they pushed through to give us something. We were stuck at home, needed Disney+. And yeah, eternals sucked.
Oh I agree with you that Phase 4 feels rather directionless, and it's as if the shows and movies aren't or hardly affecting each other. Two other big points is 1) the screenwriting, the stories at their core, have fallen in quality and coherency, and 2) Marvel really does feel like they're going for quantity over quality.
I've seen some people say, "Well the MCU doesn't always have to connect and have a big overarching story." The issue with that is the MCU was designed to be connected, at least up through Endgame. So it's fair to say (some) audience members are now confused of as to why Phase 4 feels rather disconnected. At the same time, unless I'm mistaken, it still feels like the MCU is wanting to build to the next big thing - I think it's supposed to be a show down with Kang - but they're doing a poor job of it.
So the MCU as a whole right now is, to me and I'm sure many others, unclear of what they're even doing. Are they or are they not trying to build to another Big Thing? Is the MCU actually attempting to just to one off stories with no connection to anything else? It's messy.
The MCU lacks a proper focus on the overall storyline narrative of the world. I do not think even Ant-man and the Wasp 3 could save the series given how they had missed opportunities to build up their foe.
quanitity isnt the problem the lack of a plan is some of the best movies and shows are "long"
That is why MCU should take it slow having these films made and not rush them for the poor VFX crew 😓
The MCU died with Infinity War. The moment Captain Marvel came out, the course of the franchise changed
as far I'm cornered phase 1 - 3 is the ultimate marvel superhero movie collection to binge watch nothing else is gonna match it, then came phase 4 except for spider man movies & Doctor Strange everything has been meh to watch it once than move on.