Escaping Polygamy's Grip: From FLDS First Wife to Advocate Against Abuse | Charlene's Journey
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
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Join us as we delve into the extraordinary life of Charlene, a woman who grew up in the complex world of polygamy, ultimately becoming the first wife of FLDS bishop, Lyle Jeffs. Her story is one of resilience, strength, and the pursuit of justice.
Charlene faced unimaginable challenges within her polygamous marriage, enduring persecution for daring to ask questions and challenge the status quo. Ignored by her husband and sent away from her children for seemingly trivial reasons, she found herself in a situation that demanded her to "repent" for hitting the snooze button on her alarm clock.
As she shares her remarkable journey, Charlene opens up about the hardships she endured within the FLDS community and her courageous decision to break free from the confines of polygamy. Today, she advocates against abuse and raises awareness about the dark realities hidden behind closed doors.
Discover the inspiring transformation of a woman who went from being a marginalized figure in a polygamous society to an empowered advocate for change. Learn more about her experiences, insights, and the motivation behind her new book, "Tell Your Heart to Beat Again."
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I was amazed when I found out Charlene was Lloyd Wall’s daughter and sister of Rebecca and Ellissa! What an absolutely strong trio of brave sisters.
Yes, their half sister. It's so interesting how different her take on their family is.
@@Kristenm28I read Rebecca’s book and she definitely portrayed their family differently. The actual truth is probably somewhere in the middle
@@HeyitsEm18I was thinking that, both of them spoke of their own moms as loving but felt the other mom was abusive. I definitely think the truth lies in the middle.
Natural to love and defend your Mom, so both ladies did it well.
"Honor thy father and mother, that thy days may be long..."
But they said the first wife in the family was extremely abusive. Interesting the different perspectives. Really enjoyed the interview.
This was such a great interview (as always)! I loved Charlene in the Keep Sweet documentary where she found out where the YFZ ranch was by the mud on Lyle's car, haha. She's awesome. Can't wait to read her book
Interesting....
Just have to say - dating after polygamy should be practiced with caution. The ladies are already programmed to put up with and accept less than because of the high misogyny and entitlement of the men they've dealt with all of their lives from the leadership down to their little brothers and everywhere in between.
There are many men here on the outside who have a nose for sniffing out who they can deal b.s. out to that will accept it - and they will find you. If something feels off, it probably is. 🚩
Don't doubt yourselves when you feel that spidey sense creeping up your spine.
You are so right. A lot of ex flds women have already fallen for what you described.
Yes, one of my friends roommate was a Lost Boy his story was fascinating. He was one of 45 and had four Mom's. He actually was not completely shunned by his family, his biological Mother kept in touch with him because she will always be his Mom. His full siblings kept in touch with him as well, he was a very vibrant young man. But when it came to dating and judgement about finding a new faith community it was tough. Many who leave do end up joining Christian churches which is great I have met someone who is ex FLDS at my Episcopalian church, turns out there is a decent size community of ex FLDS who work for the Amish on construction jobs. Anyway this friends roommate ended up joing this small cult like church, it was what he knew. But when they started taking his paychecks he began to wake up also he was seeing a colleague of mine I am a therapist. Well he ended up leaving this small bible cult church, he did meet a lovely girl there but their speed of dating is not what us here raised in the secular world was quite fast. This was a year or so ago, they are happily married. But it was a rough road for them. Many ex FLDS end up in cult like churches, on drugs etc.. because they have NO skills. This young man happened to be a skilled carpenter and enjoyed his work The men have good skills to use in the real world but the women know nothing of homemaking. His wife was shocked when my friend and I told her that she has the right to pursue her dreams. She is now in school to be an LPN. They are happily married
Hearing her laugh after saying she was "naughty", lol. I would love to be her friend. Strong women can change their world!
Wow, I can't imagine being caught between your belief system and your own children. Charlene did the best she could with what she had at that time. I admire her willingness to grow.
This was a great interview. I admire Charlene’s strength and bravery. Already bought her book!! So glad she is willing to share her story. ❤
Thanks Melissa & Sam for the important work you do.
Drove all the way to my mom's house since we lost power today.
Thank you so much for your support! ❤️
Power to you all.
You must live in New England too!
Courageous You are Charlene..., and Hope never dies if You just breath and be Present...
What a strong and amazing woman. I love how she thought for herself as much as she could. Great interview. Also this is the first time I’ve heard that warren jeffs son is kinds running things
Thank you for featuring this! I am really interested by these interesting first person stories and exposing the corruption in the FLDS. Also, I bet I would not be allowed to join because hitting the snooze button is a way of life for me.
Excellent interview! Keep up the great work!
Great interview. I admire her strength given all she and her children have been through. I hope that her other children are able to get out, and that Charlene continues to thrive. I will check out her book as well. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experience and strength.
Thank you so very much for sharing these stories!
Excellent interview, good job guys
I am definitely buying your book! You are such an amazing person. I can’t believe you are so strong… 💪🏼 Wow!
Thank you for sharing.
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I seem to remember that there was some SA that went on from one of the first wife's sons towards some of the second wife's daughters, as the Wall sisters have spoken about. It seems like there was quite a bit of abuse that went on in this family.
Yes there was, I have read all of their books just downloaded Charlene's after this. I actually have gotten in touch with the Dream Center after seeing Brielle's interview on Cults to Consciousness. They are accepting donations for womens hygiene items, underwear etc.. I just sent out some tampons and things to them through Amazon. I am really called to assist these people.
😂😂 Melissa pitching the next reality show...the real housewives of FLDS
And I would totally be obsessed if that becomes a thing!!?
Wow, we heard the snide remark that that is how Christians should be. Yes that is how we should be. Christians are still sinners on a journey to be like Christ. We do fall short and are always learning and have to repent of our failures. That is why God died for us. He knows we are fallen sinners. It is not a surprise for us.
When you grow up and not allowed to learn critical thinking skills it’s very easy to control and brainwash an entire society 😢 bravo Charlene and Sam for your ability to step back and analyze your situations💜👏🏼💜bravo, bravo!!!
Very interesting - particularly to hear from a woman about my age. I have just finished Charlene's wonderful book today here in London, England. (I agree on the twins (at 34 mins). I had full term twins at 40 weeks which is actually a bit late for twins and they weighed 6 pounds 8 and 7 pound 8 (normal size))
I looked up Lyle, he seems to have some legal troubles now days.
I love this lady and Lyle was a stupid man to not make her the favorite she is awesome now gotta buy that book 😊
This was a great podcast well done Guys and Merry Christmas 🎄 💚🎅
How could your natural mother just leave you with an abusive step mom??? I am always horrified when I hear that mothers allow someone to abuse any children but certainly they should have enough power to step up for their own. I am so sorry that you have such awful childhood memories and so happy you are now free! Best of luck with your book!
Concerning Rulon Jeffs small intestines dying off it’s more likely it’s the care he was receiving from his wives. He had different ladies helping him all the time. One of them was a nurse, years later I got to know her pretty good and all I can say is I wouldn’t even let her take care of my dog let alone a human.
So interesting to hear your story, Charlene. Thank you so much for sharing some of your experiences. Best of luck with the book!
Smart and sassy
Yes she is the sister of Elissa Wall and Rebecca Musser, it is interesting because the abuse with Mother Sherry was something they all had to endure.
Mother Sherry’s kids say it was the first wife that was abusive and that their mother wasn’t. It seems that maybe the mothers were abusive to their step kids but not their own. 🤷🏻♀️
interesting, cause rebecca and elissa wall both say that it was charlene's mother that was physically abusive, i will pick up her book as well!
What a story! I wish her all the best
My dad’s mom’s brother married my mom’s sister and for a bit my dad’s brother dated my mom’s niece. My own grandpa was a funny inside joke ❤
This was tough for me. Trying to reserve judgement, but man……there is nothing I wouldn’t do for my kids.
I find this fascinating, yet, it's confusing too. I just heard (audiobook) Rebecca Musser's book which says the opposite. Rebecca & Elissa Wall are Charlene's half sisters. In Rebecca's book, "The Witness Wore Red" she claims Charlene's mother, who was the first wife, was the one that was abusive, not their mother Sharon (Aunt Sherrie.) Rebecca claimed her dad's first wife (Charlene's mother) was very abusive and was super jealous of her mother, Sharon, who was Lloyd Wall's second wife.
I wonder which one was abusive? Both were probably monsters, if I had to guess.
I think they should out Warren in gen pop and the guards should walk away
Love this lady! 😊
What a beautiful person Charlene is❤
Can’t say i know anything about the cult but these interviews and your questions are very telling!
I would love to know if she has a relationship with her half siblings despite the abuse from their mom.
Especially when the half siblings say it was her mother, the first mother, that was abusive. It sounds like both the mothers were abusive to their step kids.
Ok so from what I can tell she is Myrna's daughter. Lloyd Wall was married to Myrna first and then Sharon (Aunt Sherry.) Sharon is the mother to Rebecca and Elisa Wall. Very famous sisters that left the FLDS. I have seen extensive interviews with them both and to hear Elissa/Rebecca tell it, you would think Myrna (the 1st wife and Charlenes mom) was totally evil and abusive and very much mistreated the other wives kids. But as Charlene talks about Sharon "Aunt Sherry' its as if she was the problem and lazy. And extremely abusive!! How people living in the same home for so many years can remember things so differently????? Interesting
Exactly, I read Elissa’s book and that’s how she explained it.
@@415oakland I'm glad it's not just me! Thank you for confirming 👍 lol
2 different points of view.
If you are looking at the front of a statue, and your sister is looking at the back of a statue..... She isn't going to see the exact same thing as you..... But yet you are both looking at the exact same statue.
Both moms were jealous of each other and took it out on each other's kids. Very common in the flds.
Dianabell who Charlene mentions later in the story is aunt sherry's niece. They both come from newel steeds family which was very abusive.
Man. What a story. I appreciated that she talked about a bit of Warrens good side. It helps you to understand why people follow, and also that he isnt a total monster. He is human, and anyone could go down that path in the right situation
Oh no…he was always a monster
Yes, Warren was a master manipulator, victim and product of his ubrninging. I also believe he was schizophrenic.
@@Starfish2145 I think what the comment is trying to point out is that humans are dynamic. People can be both so sweet and a total monster at the same time.
Thank you.
Timer 34:40
Warren killed his own father? That is what Warren himself would say about anyone overdosing someone who dies from it.
Timer 36:00 to 41:00
Smart lady correcting the "prophet" for her children.
I keep looking for some thoughts on the doctrine you now hold but I can’t find any.
What a great interview. It really shines a light on men using religious teachings to do what they want. *sexual lasciviousness*
Were most FLDS parents with such huge families and old-fashioned thoughts about life, also hitting, slapping, spanking or whipping children? Was that considered ok or normal or was it considered wrong?
Hey, the lady who says "WHAT THE F" on Netflix Keep Sweet 😊
I was just wondering how many children did Charlene have with Lyle ? And have they also left ?
Love your videos. Sam sounds like Dick Cavett. He has a soothing voice.
Polygamy is sick and disgusting
Raise your hand if you didn't see "Warren unalived his dad to cover an affair" coming
Us!!! We hadn't heard that before either! We were shocked!
Watched this for the first time a few months ago and thought there is no way. Been going through everything that I have put on the "shelf" I am finding stuff that I am aware of to back up this theory.
English is not my first language, but why does she keep saying "She says, I says etc." instead of using the past tense?
It’s not really proper English to relay it this way, but it’s quite common in certain regions of the US to speak this way when relaying a story.
I'm shaking my head here thinking "same sex orgy's" ? In a fundamentalist not queer affirming religion nonetheless!
Highly religious people are often hypocrites.
@@powderandpaint14 I know! That was more or less what the head shake was about.
@@powderandpaint14 So are people who have no religious beliefs.
@@schs1977I think it’s worse when it’s coming from a religious group. You’re preaching to your followers that being gay is an abomination that can get you sent straight to hell or your religion’s equivalent, only to turn around and permit it for your own sexual gratification.
Im only 8 minutes in, but cant listen to this. I was abused aa a child by my mom and this 2.nd wife is monster.
2 things. What happened to Willie after he tried to take over after the so called prophet went to prison. Second is there a list of businesses owned by the different groups?
Dad had to know if his kids faces were punched. Dad was selfish by getting more wives
Every time I hear about Heleman he sounds as bad or worse than Warren Jeffs 😢 LE needs to keep a very close eye on him.
If you still have a “teen “ in your age you should rethink your life choices 😮 and if you’re not even a teen you shouldn’t even be concerned about marriage at all 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I just finished the book The Witness Wore Red. Finding out Charlene was Lloyd Wall’s daughter tells me someone is lying about their youth. Rebecca in her book The Witness Wore Red” documents how abusive the first wife of her father was. But yet Charlene documents in this interview that her second mom was the abusive one. So what is the truth here? In Rebecca’s book, she documents extreme atrocities committed by Charlene’s mom against her and her full blood siblings. I think it warrants bringing Rebecca on to interview and it’s a shame that these half siblings are so contradictory about their siblings and mothers and what happened.
I think maybe they both were abusive to the others ones kids then and nice to their own
2 different points of view.... Don't mean either one is lying....
It means they see it from the opposite side.
I really don't understand why people are so quick to call someone a liar just because they see things from a different angle.
And you don't get to say someone is a liar because the childhood trauma for this lady came from the other moms not from her own, and vice versa for the other (half) siblings.
Shame on you.
@@OceanMomma13Yes, Charlene mentioned in the beginning that it was commom for wives to get jealous of each other and take it out on the kids that weren't theirs.
All 3 of them are huge liars. Take everything they say with a grain of salt.
@@marshamarsha5204 Not in this situation. Either you're abused or you're not abused. The accusations from both sides are extreme. We're not talking about a slap on the hand or grounding the other's kids. We're talking about abusive physical beatings. That's not a "point of view". That's you are or you aren't abused. I have to assume both mothers in this family were abusive. It isn't mentioned by either daughter that their own mother was the abuser but apparently, that had to be the case or someone is truly lying.
WOW! I can't watch all of this! It is so unbelieveable! I knew that Warren Jeffs was a false prophet but this is so unreal!
Put Warren in Gen-Pop!!
having a baby and getting married at 19 I was a baby...
A picture of Lyell & his wives shows 7.
He had at least 9. The names of the ones I know of are Charlene Wall, Pauline Barlow, Diana Bell Barlow, Lenora Bauer, Margaret Stewart, Luella Roundy, Meagan Black, Christine Black and Mabel Jessop. Mabel was for sure underage when they got married. I believe it’s her that there’s a photo of with Lyle and their baby. She absolutely still looks like a child herself.
Heartbreaking
lie all was god junior
multiple personalities or multiple demon possessions?
JESUS LUVS!!!BE BLESSED!!!
I'm
Rebecca and Elissa say her mom was the mean one. She says theirs was. Isn't that interesting.
I'm sure many women didn't treat the "other" children kindly.
@tennillepatterson5500 Yes, I believe neither wife was good to the other's children. And from all the books I've read, it seems to be the norm.
The mothers were probably more harsh on the children that weren't theirs. It's more common in polygamy than we might think, from what people have said in interviews.
good people, why don't you help the FLDS people? it will take another 200 years to get them out of there one by one ! be smarter, we have actors and special effects! Use the lack of community information to your advantage! don't leave children in situations of abuse. Please ! you have the power to make a miracle and save thousands of lives, including your families.
I'm concerned you all might be being used to get a false message to the general public.
Well don’t be coy, what do you mean?
Nah, the FLDS is a dangerous cult that was run by a sadistic pedophile. But please, tell me how you would know more than Warren Jeffs' sister-in-law. 😂
I do get the sense that something is slightly off with her, and that she may not be telling the truth entirely. But they all went through horrific things, were brainwashed and believed in things that were wrong.
@@powderandpaint14
We all have truths, and where there is evil or misunderstanding, God is in that too, He being the very doer of both good and evil, to try and to prove the souls of man (Is. 45:7).