Honda Talon Turbo from Jackson Racing First Test Review
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- The Honda Talon turbo kit from Jackson Racing is said to add 60% more power than stock, which should put the car in the 160hp range. We recently had our first brief test of the Talon 1000R with a Jackson Racing turbo kit and it did not disappoint. The turbo kit is sure to be a hit with SXS racers and sand duners alike, whether you choose the Talon 1000X, 1000R or the new Talon 1000 X-4.
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i wish polaris and can am would make dct transmission a option on there machines. There sport and there utility machines should have a gear on gear transmission option.they would be no chance of wet belt slipping issues or over heated belts and no belt changes in the middle of nowhere. i like cvts but give us more options👍
If they can put 200hp stock in a sled then why on earth would they stll only have 100 hp?
Cam am just brought out the 198 hp. But let's see what honda can do in time.
So that you buy the turbo.....
@@richfarfugnuven6308 put a turbo on it to begin with and i would buy one. But im not paying $20,000 for under 100 hp.
Good thing the Talon is $15,799 lol
Wow dumb as fuck
I like Honda, because the Quality is steps away from the competitors...., i like to see a full enclosure cabin, for winter adventures like the northstar editions by Polaris.
in the SXSBlog video at this same event they talked with the Jackson Racing guy and he said that if Honda determines the turbo was the cause for engine failure then the engine wouldn't be warrantied. This kit doesn't void your warranty per say but it isn't covered under Honda's warranty either from the information I saw. I would love further conformation of either side.
We contacted Honda directly regarding this for you. Your understanding is pretty much spot-on. Adding the turbocharger like any other aftermarket part does not automatically void your factory warranty. However, if adding that aftermarket part is determined to have caused engine failure, the manufacturer has the right not to warranty it. We pretty much read that as, you're at the mercy of the manufacturer on a case-by-case basis. If your warranty means more than horsepower it's probably not a good idea. However, once that factory warranty is up ... I hope this helps.
UTVonDemand Thanks for sharing your findings! Good to know!
@@JsGarage Thanks for the great question. Glad to help. Keep them coming.
The Honda guy kinda suggested that if the turbo was the cause of the vehicle failure that perhaps Jackson may have their own warranty that could kick in where Hondas leaves off. Sounded like all that stuff was still being worked out.
Now it sounds like a good way for Honda to use the charger as a loophole to get out of any warranty.. Just blame any motor problem on the charger
remembers me on the old HRC kits for motorcycles---you can buy it and put it in but no guarantee...;- () honda is not stupid- he avoid a lot of problems- goin the safe way- the 100hp talon should never break...not from too much HP haha....
So upsetting that you need to spend 6k more just to then keep up with a stock x3 let alone on top of the suspension and everything else... come on Honda
You mean x3 TURBO
It is pretty cool that they are allowing you to tune it at home if you want. In regards to the turbo.
Agreed, it's cool that you can change the shift patterns for the different size tires you might be running.
WHY, WHY, WHY, cant honda and yamha jut make a turbo model. They both waited so long to come out with a sport sxs and wont make a turbo model! They want you to spend and extra 5500.00 bucks to compete with polaris and can am!
2020 Yamaha SXS have not yet been released. We would be surprised if there isn't a turbo model coming from both companies in the somewhat near future.
Ok so my question is why is this turbo $5,500? Every turbo I’ve ever purchased for a SxS has only been $2,500 to $3,000. It has an inter cooler just like the rest. It boost power by up to 60% just like the rest. It is made out out aluminum just like the rest. It is complete bolt on just like the rest. Why double the price. That puts this Talon at the same price of the much more powerful Can Am X3 now with 195 HP. What a let down Honda. You should have never even introduced this piece of sh- - that’s way over priced and still under powered. What a joke.
@@stgraves260 yes, the price of the car with a turbo added does make it rather pricey compared to the ones that come turbocharged from the factory. Of course we expected Honda is aware of this and we'll have a turbo model available at some point in the not-so-distant future.
UTVonDemand Polaris RZR makes one for $21,000 168 HP and 32” tires. So I’m a little curious on what Honda will do. If Honda could just even come close to the $21,000 I just mite consider it. But it would have to be turbo, around 170 HP and would have to have 32” tires, STOCK. Will have to wait and see.
Honda came quickly with 4 seater and honestly surprised with the Fox Live Valve stuff. I would expect Honda to make a turbo model in the future. If they don't they will feel it in their sales. The Talon is nice but it's a tough buy when you can now get X3 Turbos for 19K and Rzr Turbo for around same price.
can-am just came out with the same x3 with even more horsepower, still the same rubberband transmission. even if they made a million horsepower, nothing beats the engagement of a transmission. i love my mav, someday, i will get a talon i hope.
And, gearbox transmissions don't waste as much horsepower so you can do more with less.
The Talon is a very solid machine, but the DCT needs some tweaking for sure. I honestly like the CVT a little better in both the X3 and RZR
@@qtrmilemalone have you driven the Talon? What were your thoughts on the DCT that made you feel it needed further tweaking? These things are still pretty new to all of us.
@@UTVonDemand yes, quite a lot of miles on an R.
The gearing of it after 3rd isn't great, really bogs down, especially while climbing in the dunes.
It seems to constantly want to up shift, killing the momentum, and leaving you to have to keep shifting back down gears, and fighting that back and forth. That's while in sport.
Then if you want to drive it in manual mode you can't see the tach to not bounce it off the rev limiter every gear.
It's pretty good on the trails, but when the tires start spinning it up shifts, taking you out of the power band where you want to be, can be frustrating at times.
That's just a brief explanation of my issues with it.
@@qtrmilemalone yes, we were downshifting quite a bit when the Dunes started getting steep. You can see that in our Talon 1000 test from a few months ago. There were a couple editors complaining about upshifting at inopportune times. We wonder if it's possible to make an automatic gearbox transmission perform perfectly in any situation. Fortunately, you can take manual control at times when you feel it's necessary. Thanks for sharing your opinion. Your explanation makes a lot of sense.
Last time Alan was talking about turbos to appease the masses because he knew the questions were coming. Now he's riding in one and reviewing it. :D
He knew it turbo was to be expected. Plus, he has a Leadfoot so he would want one. Here's betting he will be trying to get his hands on one for the Talon Build.
UTVonDemand then why are can ams dominating short course racing right now in the turbo class. There a lot of yamis in that class also. If a tranny like Yamahas and now Honda are so much better. There pretty much dominating dessert racing to in there class.
@@njorgnjorg6057 not exactly sure what your point is here. Can-Am has might be winning short course and other races because they're spending more money on their cars. Perhaps it's because they have better drivers. Perhaps it's because the stock Can-Am Czar a good platform. Regardless, that doesn't change the facts. All the anecdotal evidence in the world that doesn't change the facts either. A gearbox transmission is more efficient at transferring power than a belt. Find a motor Builder that disagrees.
UTVonDemand I’m not arguing that fact that a gear box transmission is more efficient at transferring power then a belt. I agree with you on that. What I’m trying to say is that the efficiency from a gearbox to a well tuned cvt clutch is not some overwhelming difference like people make it out to be so it makes the product sound so much better even though it has less hp. If so I would see it on the race track. Ask any utv racer and he’ll say the same. They all are running the about the same hp, all are tuned and built up. If the manual tranny was so much better then the belt machine wouldn’t have a chance. So if it dose come down to chassis then the talk of the manual being the best is bull. I remember hearing this stuff with the yxz amd now the talon
@@njorgnjorg6057 that makes a lot of sense. We would never say that is CVT doesn't stand a chance against the gearbox car. Way too many factors at play. Point well taken.
Ok it’s a Polaris RZR XP Turbo S Velocity $21,699. Verified 6/20/2019 at 11:57 AM They don’t have it in their store right now it sold. I’m sure they can get another one. Very good people. BUT like everywhere else you will still have to pay the shipping fee and destination charges and what ever all the other charges are. Just like Honda. They say The Talon X is $21,000 but buy the time you walk out the door it’s like $23,000-$24,000. And if you want the $5,500 turbo it will be just under $30,000. Same price as the Can Am 195 HP SxS.
That's a crazy sale price. That's not even close to retail. That's a $25,399 car.
UTVonDemand call this number. 1-970-316-4490. Stock # 780472. This just shows there is to much mark up on SxSs. There is no where near the technology in a SxS as there is a street legal car. No air bags, no power windows, locks, Cruz, no heated seats no am-fm radio with Bluetooth, no front or back windows with defrost or windshield wipers. I can’t drive it over to my family’s house legally anyway.
SxS don’t even have to pass the government crash test. I have a pic of the website on my phone but we don’t know each other to Change #s and I understand that. If you would. Just call that number I gave you and use that stock #.i like SxSs they are a lot of fun. But the price of them takes all the fun out of them. I’m not a rich guy. I make $70k a year and $25k - $30 is way to much for a toy. I spent $3,500 on my rifle but it puts food on the table and food in my family’s belly.
@@stgraves260 we actually have a Turbo S velocity in right now for testing. Most of the manufacturer's tell us that the average buyer of high performance side by sides are in their forties and fifties in make well over a hundred thousand a year. There is definitely room in the market for a more simplistic but good performing 1 to 2 seat unit at a lower price point.
@@UTVonDemand Yup... they just priced out ALL of the middle class people. These things are only for the rich. MAJORITY of Americans only make $50k a year. I don't know a single person who makes anywhere near $100k a year.
Looked like the suspension was super harsh or was it the way the helmet camera was mounted?
Not being snowmobile Riders, doesn't deep snow produce a lot more drag
Prorider It is a bit stiff out of the box
Does it have a diff lock ? Bigger tires locked up in a mud hole..bet its just another axle Snapper like the Rest of em !
Canucker someone has already came in with a broken steering stem at the shop I work at but he did come off a jump and landed on one tire
Honda is sending us one so we can find out.
Looks like the steering is awful slow on these. With the driver making huge inputs turning the wheel, and never really catching up to the front end wandering from side to side of the trail. Just a car/MX guy, newbie to side by sides, ......observation. I'd have to quicken that steering ratio up asap. Love the sound though.
So they put a turbo on at extra cost just to be at the old horsepower can am started at and Polaris undoubtably won’t have anymore now that can am jumped to 195hp! Bravo Honda engineers!!!
Good thing they put reliability and durability before copy catting people. Power can always be added, but other things cant.
Honda and Yamaha have a real transmission.
I had a CT370cc motor for my trx250r..alan is a cool dude.
Am I the only one wondering why he was on the right shoulder instead of center? I might just be stupid but still curious
Very impressive. I wonder if dealers will be able to roll the cost of the kit into a brand new purchase? If so, I hope the price remains competitive with the competition.
They said five to six hours for installation. If I were purchasing a new Talon with a turbo kit from the dealer installation would be on them.
I'm ready to see them knock the price down. Too many performance machines with way better numbers from can am and polaris at a fraction of the cost. I know the reliability factor is there but $21k is outrageous
@@MrBerett315 that price is sure to come down quite a back when Honda starts offering Turbo from the factory.
@@MrBerett315 you'll end up spending the same amount once you add up the cost of all of those burnt and snapped belts lol
Hey when you gonna go next time ?! I want to join you
Is it worth the price of the talon and the turbo compared to the retail price of a rzr 1000 turbo?
Yep, ask any Polaris owner, how much time and money they spend on fixing them. Then go and ask any ATV tour company in the world what kind of machines they run and why? Honda all the way from Vegas to Costa Rica, they all vouch that nothing is more reliable than a Honda. They probably know their shit
Polaris RZR junk always have been
Honda and HRC for years never supported their street bikes very well.......can one say GSXR?? Have my doubts on this.......and to add insult to injury that motor was not 'designed" for a turbo....the Rzr and X3 is..........
Honda is passing the warranty turbo headaches over to Jackson racing. That's fucked up.
I bought the 2016 700 pioneer-4 , nor imprrssess after 3 years I will trade it in soon. Feels like a go cart throttle. Doesn’t feel smooth and engine seems to struggle close tp 40 mph. It’s a farm work horse but not much fun on the trails.
That's because it wasn't made for trail riding. It's basically a Kawasaki mule.
What’s with the voiceover at the end??
Crazy how rough riding those are, smooth road and it looked like it beat the shit out of everyone
The 1000X & 1000R are both very smooth(ride and direct gear shifting). They each have their own specific terrain usages.
Jackson Racing turbo kit make it happon
“Brakes got really hot”......cause you’re using them too much....
It ain’t no fuvkin car, out of all the utv’s Honda is the only one that manufactures cars and I think it pathetic that it called a car, closer to a bike with dct and twin than a car. Would it be nice to have a turbo vtec Type R but it is a bike!!
Honda is well known to run superchargers on their watercraft, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't come out with a supercharged sxs.
Now that sounds fun.
Nope they'll be happy just being an also-ran. They're just going to sell units because of the Honda name and they are cool with that .
Nope. Honda PWCs were turbocharged, not supercharged.
Got skeered over the jumps......
8:14 you can see a Lester from DirtTrax in the background.
Love the Lesters. They are incredibly nice people.
So the turbo don't void your factory 30 day warranty? LMAO!!! My favorite part of the video. Well beside the $6,000 price tag. LoL
For real Honda needs to step the hp gain up 1/3rd
1yr warranty w/ option to buy another 4yrs for $1295. Also, the Talon X is $15,799 and the turbo kit is $3,299. My favorite part is how damn dumb you are.
I should be doing the test drive..i had a yxz turbo and can am x3 so im very familiar with the turbo ..
Sounds like you would definitely have some comparable experience.
6k i was told for the Turbo Kit
That is PRICEY! I'm sure Evo will have something out for these bad boys real soon. Plug and play is sweet but not 6k sweet....
@@vincedaugherty9687 not trying to sell you on one. We don't make any money off of them. The price might be six grand but I thought I heard a number that was a bit less. Maybe not much less. This turbo kit is also approved by Honda and will not void your factory warranty. It will also retain green sticker emissions if that matters to you. Whichever one you go with, a turbo makes the Talon more fun.
@@UTVonDemand Heck yeah!
So it'll be double that once you pop that motor that's not designed for a turbo.
Not much of a test drive when you've got a granny driver in front of you. Go around!!!!!!!!!!!
Honda forced the use of a pace driver on this test because there was one car and a lot of people looking to drive it. We could feel the Boost and power coming out of corners for sure but we're unable to push it too hard as the brakes were cooked before we got in the car.
Did they get this guy out of a nursing home?!?! Why not get someone that can drive??? I could have passed this guy on a damn 300 fourtrax
You sir, are a dumbass. Alan actually races, prepares race rigs and has probably forgotten more about racing than you will ever know. This is why he was invited to an industry event launching 2 new models and a dealer available turbo kit. You must have missed your invite pulling a double at Walmart. The riding pace was controlled by Honda.
RIP Polaris
LOL, I don't think Polaris is going to die but there will be a lot of people looking even more seriously at The Hondas.
Hahahah please this honda is a joke!!! Way under powered and way to much money for what you get ! Honda missed the mark just like Yamaha did the big 2 knows what sells and they do the best at doing it
@@Allinoffroad relax dude, nobody is saying your Polaris is irrelevant.
@@UTVonDemand I hope the Talon Turbo's don't burn up like the Polaris Turbo's have done for the past 8 years!
All-IN Offroad got 2 of them and smoked a maverick and rzr..Both have turbos
Funny honda doesn't listen to any of the other riders. 650 is so outdated it's just pathetic
I noticed they didnt mention the prices.......wonder why!!!
Projected price last we heard is $5,799. We didn't put it in the video because final pricing wasn't available yet.
@@UTVonDemand That's plain and simple...rape. For that kind of money, it should be installed and free lifetime washes. Where do these people get off asking that much money for a few hundred dollars worth of stuff? They want to pay for their minimal R&D in the first 100 sales? Sorry, that is ridiculous.
Nunya Biz I mean a tune alone is worth more than a few hundred bucks. And a garret turbo cost more than a few hundred bucks of course depends on the spec. Yea price is high but as long as people pay they will keep selling them . Turbo s is a 30k car basically is it worth it probably not but people pay it
Do all these things run cvt transmissions?
No, The Hondas have 5 speed gear boxes with reverse. They can be ran an auto shift or manual paddle shift mode. Yamaha yxz1000r is available with a fully manual 5-speed with a clutch or electronic paddle shifters. Most of the other shoes CVT Transmissions. Thanks for the question. Please don't hesitate to hit us back if you have anymore.
@@UTVonDemand cheers for the reply. Just found your channel since I moved from Australia to the US. Thinking of hiring something similar in Moab seeing as it's near where I'm based and looks incredible. Gotta be a bit of fun doesn't it!? 🇦🇺
@@clubsport9334 Welcome to the USA! You come from Australia and your based near Moab? We need to take you to a casino. You have all kinds of good luck. Yes, side-by-sides are a lot of fun. If you want to try it out, I would look for a local place that does tours of Moab. There are probably also rental companies out there but if you haven't tried it, going with someone experienced might be the best first step. If you decide to give it a try, keep us posted on how you're off road Adventures go.
Honda's transmission is a SIX gear dual clutch transmission (called DCT). Research the tech, it's an awesome achievement. There is not a belt of any type on the Talon.
@@not-stock thanks for heads up... My prefer to shift myself.... The CVT option is not for me....
Talons flip over forward in the woops????? With stock power the are dangerous, add more and you will be able to do complete front flips!
Lol...anyone but Honda Pro Jason..haha
It's not going to happen is it.
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Tubro!
What's a tubro?
5500.00 bucks and still dont get close to the new x3 with 195hp!Your gonna get smoked by a can am x3 and be pissed you spend the money and the time to buy and install the turbo!
Not after the can-am blows a belt and kids on 50 cc atvs are smokin it
Luther Despain can ams are dominating the turbo class right now. Don’t see to many of them smoking belts. And yes there are turbo yammis racing against them.
Then your smoke your belt and the Honda will pass you
Got to remember that the transmission in the honda won't loose as much power as the belt driven. Power to the ground is boss
Do you even ride or do you just come here to bash Honda?
V8y
Get the women out and let a man drive....damn old timers.
My thoughts on the talon? Well you can put a pearl necklace on a pig but it will never be anything more than a pig wearing a pearl necklace!
NO they are JUNK dont buy them. Transmissions are junk they dont even hold up to a non-turbo motor !!! DONT do it!
asi es
Why do you say that?
BS !