Can The Church of England Be Reconciled?
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2024
- Can the new two Church of England bishops leading on Living in Love and Faith do the impossible and reconcile the Church of England?
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Its already a first order salvation issue, we can not redefine sin…
Absolutely
Salvation, one's acceptance of God's forgiveness isnt denied anyone Maybe you didn't mean salvation(?)😮
Forcing your way on an issue and then, after the fact, seeking “reconciliation” is the very essence of an abusive relationship.
How are they forcing?
As Winston Churchill once said, "You can not reason with a tiger when your head is in its mouth!".
You cannot argue with archbish Wobbly when his foot is in his mouth.
we do not need the gift of the other if the other is heretical.
It is with great sadness that I have to accept that the church I loved is lost. Thank you Dan for speaking truth to power.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
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Well said, Dan. This is about obedience, above all else. Those of us who accept the boundary which God set around sex and marriage have no option for crossing it. That boundary is clear and coherent from whatever angle you consider the issue: creation (God's biological design), instruction and teaching (God's word), reason (applying common sense to our observation of human nature and what helps people and society to flourish).
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
Dan what you said about ordinands is reminiscent of what's been going on on social media about conscription why do people want to go fight for this country? How can people go work in the church when they don't believe in what it stands for anymore.
Agree that these positions are irreconcilable. As a traditional and evangelical Irish presbyterian I am so saddened by the unbiblical direction the Church of England has taken. I pray often for the C of E alongside my own PCI denomination (which thankfully hasn't gone down this path, but could so easily if certain people had their way). Thank you Rev Dan for your godly and informative reflections.
It's not only un-Biblical but EQUALLY as important it is against the TRADITION of the Church.
Dan, all will be revealed in God’s perfect timing.
All of the wickedness will be exposed and His Church cleansed from top to bottom.
There will be no reconciliation whatsoever.
And please don’t ask people to pray for revival.
It will never , ever happen until true Repentance comes.
Stay strong Dan and speak truth to all the wickedness that is exposed day after day.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
Reconciliation seems impossible since one side does not follow the traditional theology of the church?
I am stuck at feeling that God does not bless sin, and does not bless the sinner who does not believe and repent. I don't know where these two bishops can go with this, but it sounds to me like they want the obedient to acquiesce. Maybe I'm reading to much into it.
Sadly I can only like this once but you're spot on
@@johnblake8555 This has been debated to death. You're free to believe whatever you want to believe viz your own salvation. But you are definitely sinning by trying to deny them theirs.
As far as your own children? Your come to jesus moment will be when they come out as a sexual minority.
Unfortuneately, "reconciliation" essentially means accepting the views of the progressives/apostates.
what fellowship is there with Christ and Belial.OOOPs I quoted scripture
Reconciliation? It's simply not going to happen because the faithful will refuse to compromise - thank God.
From one Rev. Dan to another Rev. Dan, thanks for your channel. I always enjoy listening.
I left the C of E a while ago . No regrets. Jesus Christ is my Lord and Saviour.
"can two walk together unless they are agreed" (Some guy called Amos)
It was the prophet named Amos who said that.
@@roddumlauf9241 that's fair! Edited 😉
I have every faith the Church of England can be saved especially when there people like you Revd Dan at the helm.
He's not at the helm and never will be sadly. All the positions of power and all future appointments to those positions are filled by leftist liberals.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
Rev Dan is (sadly) not at the helm. Instead the apostate Archbishop of Canterbury and mostly apostate Bishops in synod are.
@@chrisbronsdon624 The Chruch of England has no bishops and priests. Rome gave England her Holy Orders and Rome revoked them due to absence of both form and intention in the "ordinations" performed by the Anglican diviners. The Protestant heretics cut themselves off from the Rock of Peter. PAX
I thought God was supposed to be at the helm.
The Biblical guidelines cannot be discounted. Well done!
I don't see many Christians advocating putting gay people to death. They seem quite happy to discount that particular guideline.
I wouldn’t worry about the vicars - no doubt, making the church a reflection of modern society will fill the pews - we expect this strategy to pay off any moment now in the American Episcopal Church 😂😂😂😂
Episcopal priests have uncanny abilities to talk themselves out of jobs. Controlling their congregations through guilt, especially about sexual matters keeps them coming...
When's the last time you saw a gym in a church? (gluttony)
Not saying that's Dan's conscious goal
The C of E is very sad you see.
I see what you did there and it makes me sad you see
Thank you, Dan. I agree with all you have said, and especially with two of your comments:
1) that attempting to reach a resolution in this entire debate, in this entire area of profound disagreement, is not about winning or losing, but about obedience;
2) that the primary role of the Church of Jesus Christ is and always has been to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to make disciples - as Jesus commands in Matthew 28 and Mark 16.
So it seems to me that loving one another, as commanded by Jesus, even when we disagree, means that there has to be an openness to pastoral engagement of some kind. But formalising such engagement via fundamental changes in church teaching and practice brings us into disobedience.
hrist preached etwrnal truths. eternal truths cannot be out od date. you cannot update them. you cannot say they no longer apply. ny more than you can bear false witness and not sin. we are all sinners. recognising that is christan humility’s source. asking foregiveness of the Lord involves promising not to repeat. repeating is a sin begging for foregiveness, can we escape this? no.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
@@jonathanstory6802 The "commandments" that jesus said remain afterwards begin with love (the two most important commandments according to him in Matthew). One is better off reading the new testament as prose rather than as statutes. Life isn't a bunch of hoops one jumps through in order for god to give you a treat at the end.
The obsession with sexual improprieties should be treated by psychiatrists rather than priests.
I was confirmed in 1976 when I was a student. The Anglican Church has changed dramatically. Why do you think that the numbers attending have fallen so much, and why is Christianity generally less appealing in the West? The relationship between following Jesus and institutional religion is not always obvious. Why are Christians so argumentative? Thank you for your witness.
The bumpersticker says it all: " we love Jesus but we hate his followers."
In modernity we have a more sophisticated understanding of hypocrisy, i.e. the ability to be alienated from oneself. Most people can read now, most understand what's going on viz organized religion; The recent poly tickal hijacking is a case in point. There is an occasional ingenue. . . .
I left the CofE 13 years ago, I still feel the sense of utter relief.
I left over 25 years ago but still have flashbacks of when I was Anglican. Nightmare.
Hi Dan
Another excellent resume of the situation. Thank you. I don't think this can ever be reconciled and I have just "retired" myself as a Reader and will look to worship a a pentecostalist church in a nearby village - they simply worship God with scripture as their guide. God Bless you, Graham Reardon
"we remain hopeful that God's power is at work in us" - why would God give power to people who do not believe and follow His word, and are encouraging others down the same route of sin?
We should pray regularly for the Church of England. The recent occurrences within the English Church are tragedies that can only be remedied by God's provision of grace.
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, remember Your Church throughout all England, and have mercy upon us.
Well, I'm half-way through watching this and the long and the short of it is that this process is about coming up with a fudge (heavily weighted to the LLF side) that will not satisfy either side.
A settlement will not be acceptable to any thinking orthodox person, because we have seen the results of walking two paths together. When the basis of the disagreement is scriptural in nature, there can be no compromise. A woman cosplaying as a bishop is already approaching from a standpoint that heresy is OK and the world can adapt the church.
I think that they can bring the church of England back together as an institution, but not as a church. The institution may remain, but only as an institution. At least this is the way it is going.
I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” In context, the discussion is regarding antichrists (false teachers). The principle applies, though, to anyone who departs from the faith. Anyone who departs from the faith is proclaiming a message that is not true, and is, in fact, opposed to Christ (the essence of the term antichrist).
If there is a split, will the Free Church of England absorb most of the parishioners? American Episcopalian here so I understand how complicated this is.
As a doctrinal issue how can they anticipate reconciliation when there are views so diametrically opposed
If they can ordain women they can do this; they don’t care about scripture and they clearly care more about people who don’t care about it either. Its a huge wake up call. Thank you for being a light in this hypocritical darkness. JESUS only got angry with religious hypocrites and those who use HIS FATHER’s house to line their pockets. Thank you for being above it all, you have given me so much strength since this all came out last year; after becoming spiritually homeless due to not having an orthodox church in reach and knowing heresy leads away from CHRIST. At least this has woken many like me up to the importance of following the gender roles set out by St Paul. Thank you again, you’re such a comfort and light, and faithful guide 🕊️🙌
Compromise will not work sin will weedle it's way back in! Looking back at the early church in Jerusalem we read Acts 2:46-47 "So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart, 47 praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." It was The Lord who added members - and it is the Lord to is taking away. It is not actually about true believers/members leaving the church BUT the apostate church leaving you. A clean break now is far better, a former business colleague one put it this way about changes which would bring dispute, butter for one big smell now then act slowly and the smell go on for a long time!
“For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves. Do not be surprised at these things it was shared here in Acts that this would happen.
what has light and darkness in common that they should be equally yoked? split is good for both sides
From whence comes the yolk thou hast blessed us with?
Rev. Dan says it's not about winning or losing, but if this is a first-order salvation issue, then it's surely about some people possibly losing their salvation?
I think 1 John 2:19 is key. It reads, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.” In context, the discussion is regarding antichrists (false teachers). The principle applies, though, to anyone who departs from the faith. Anyone who departs from the faith is proclaiming a message that is not true, and is, in fact, opposed to Christ (the essence of the term antichrist).
@@annewood8673 It comes down to intent doesn't it? I think it's presumptuous to call someone an antichrist for teaching what they sincerely believe in their hearts. If they all suddenly become buddhists, you might have a point.
@@davidsprouse151 The matter surveyed here is not small. It is not a tempest in an evangelical teapot. It is a serious matter indeed. Simply put, the line on Christian participation in ungodly ceremonies cannot move. Like the men at Lot’s door in Sodom, we are urged with great intensity to cave here. But we cannot do so. The church cannot capitulate to the culture. Alistair Begg has partnered with people who he knows aren’t solid, has overturned the prohibition for women teaching and preaching in church, and has seemed to have gone soft on practical applications in life regarding homosexuality/transgender. It is my opinion he has established a pattern that bears close watching. Perhaps the outcry will cause Pastor Begg to re-examine his stance in this hot-button issue, and perhaps he’d also pray for more discernment on the other two issues. We pray and wait to see.
@@annewood8673 you avoided answering the question
@@davidsprouse151 I think his intention is very clear and the church is to call out false teaching. Paul gives some reasons for church discipline. One is that sin is like yeast; if allowed to exist, it spreads to those nearby in the same way that “a little yeast works through the whole batch of dough” (1 Corinthians 5:6-7). Also, Paul explains that Jesus saved us so that we might be set apart from sin, that we might be “unleavened” or free from that which causes spiritual decay (1 Corinthians 5:7-8). Christ’s desire for His bride, the church, is that she might be pure and undefiled (Ephesians 5:25-27). The testimony of Christ Jesus (and His church) before unbelievers is important, too
so have we as a church got to a point where it was when the women priests debate got to? where those who disagreed went over to the Catholic Church. wind the clock forward to today and that debate has pretty much fizzled out , will the same sex debate be in a similar position some 20-30 years ahead?! I personally stand with the orthodoxy of the Scriptures.
There are no women bishops, priests, pastors, elders, or overseers in the New Testament. The Church of England is wrong to have women priests and bishops and the conservative evangelicals lost their strength of argument when they compromised on that. The house of bishops know it.
The reality is that God will bless those who honour and bless him .The church has to either such up to the world when under pressure or do the right thing and honour god..Sadly each time the church sucks up to the world .If they want a revival in the UK they need to stand up for god's word and honour god and then he will honour them .God Bless everyone !!!
I've already left. The apostasy will spread and the rest will compromise eventually. Fear offending God before fearing offending man. Holy Orthodoxy is my destination. Seems to be the only unpoisoned well left.
The church of England has always been divided, high church and low church and some Anglo Catholic churches,there was a time, churches would not accept women ministers,some still don't,its a very difficult subject,i think let each church decide with its minsters if it wants to marry gay people or not and leave it at that, for gay people reading, God does love you very much and cares about you,so go to a church that will accept you as you are,many churches Methodist,urc church or Quakers and more will accept you as you are
Has Jesus taken the Curch of England's lampstand away?
So sad that the church (C of E) has now focused its energies of disagreeing with itself and now ignoring mission. It is the start of the fall of this organisation and that is a problem for the UK as a whole. Is it too late or can the organisation stop putting its energy in changing scripture and rather get back to the Gospel as you mentioned at the end there Dan. One thing, if the C of E falls, Jesus will remain, it is not the end of the faith.
We need to bring back the early morning School assemblies where hymns are sung and prayers are said. This will instil a Christian ethic in children. The Assemblies were banned because there could be children of other faiths who might be offended. This was the time when the rot started to set in, in the Church of England.
I believe that Jesus came to bring reconciliation between us and God and with each other and while we cannot accept the deeply held views of others we cannot be obeying the call to unity which Jesus gives us and is also taught in the letters of Paul. We are called to love one another; this is to be the hall mark of the church according to the letter of John. I am struggling with the lack of grace some Christians show towards this they disagree with.
No. Next question.
Now that CRT has started to eat its way in I’m afraid the CofE is done for, might just as well add the book of Romans to the apocrypha and be done with it.
What do the revisionists make of plain scripture in Romans 1 verses 26-27 ? Well they don’t accept Scriptural teaching -they don’t see same sex relationships as a first order salvation order. Schism I fear is inevitable! Can darkness coexist with light- answer no!
DAN: Surely before ANYONE in today's world sets about exploring, for themselves, that part of the 'thought-world' which the Church of England occupies, they firstly need to look out of their windows and perceive - from the phenomena before them - the work of a Creator? Those phenomena may be seen in the beauty of Nature (more likely in North Wales than in the cities for which these bishops are named), or in the human interactions people experience (just as possible in cities!). IF, such persons, then ask, "What is the meaning of all this: and why am 'I' a part of it?", they may have minds open to possibilities which lie outside of the reductionist-materialist view of the Cosmos espoused by the likes of 'The Four Horsemen of the Apocalyspe'. Instead of viewing the phenomena they perceive, simply as the consequence of evolutionary happenstance, perhaps they might be open to a Creator who creates, through evolution, and is with us in the here and now. Only then, might the 'salvation history' experiences of the Hebrew Peoples (including Jesus of Nazareth), even start to begin to make sense. Unfortunately, outside of 'ethnic religions', we may no longer assume that contemportary men and women even consider anything beyond happenstance and coincidence. After all, pre-supposing a Creator behind "all-that-is" is not very 'scientific', is it?
The Anglican Church is a house divided. It is divided on do I interpret the Bible to serve man or do I interpret the Bible to serve God. I cannot see how these opposing views can be reconciled. These bishops talk about winning or losing which is true but not in the way they think. It is about winning and losing souls for God or for Satan.
Just a thought (not particularly great at the theology by the way) but maybe, just maybe, we can get too attached to a denomination and not attached to the universal body of Christ. ‘Crises’ like these focus the mind to what is really the main thing. No denomination or church has a right to keep on existing if it goes cold, or even lukewarm. Only fruitful and multiplying if we’re ’in the vine’ folks!
no......
I think honestly the Anglican denomination has a lot of good things offer. It seems to have a lot of sound theological underpinnings. That said I don’t think there’s another case of another denomination that has sound theological principles that has sabotaged destroyed itself as quickly as the Anglican denomination has
“I believe there is no liturgy in the world, either in ancient or modern language, which breathes more of a solid, Scriptural, rational piety than the Common Prayer of the Church of England.”
John Wesley
@@SimonPeterSutherland That it may be, but it is clear the church itself has fallen to a pretty sad low.
@@elKarlo Indeed! The question is, should we stand by and let it remain that way?
The church of Jesus that is holding on to biblical principles as cornerstones is growing. The church that is not standing on the gospel of Christ but engaging in worldly principles is shrinking. Does that not say it all? God is blessing His church, not the church of the ways of the world. Chris x
The paradox of asceticism: pain that is pleasure.
How can these 2 bishops even think that they can bring the CofE together. They have stated their beliefs. It looks like a similar action the Episcopal Church took after to limit the split.
I left the CofE and my sons and grandchildren a few years ago. I needed to find a church, which is Orthodox, and w3 can pray and worship together.
Sad as I spent 70 years in the CofE, but for the first time, I feel I can prey and worship without justifying myself all the time.
Left myself as well , looking at the Evangelical Connexion of the Free Church of England instead.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
Is a female priest or bishop in accord with the Bible? I don't think so. How can they claim to unify a church in orthodoxy.
Title: reconciled with what?
Greetings from Holy Russia 🇷🇺 In this country the religion of Christianity is still practiced.We have good relationships with the Muslims and Buddhist also.
Mmm but the ROC is politically compromised
They are even worse, their Church is a pillar of Putin's regime. Evil.
Im not a Christian, but I find this channel quite weird. Its run by a vicar, but has no Christian content whatsoever, just a news show based on internal Christian politics. I thought vicars were meant to spread the Christian message.
There will be no reconciliation - and nor should there be. There needs to be reformation of both doctrine and morals, just as there was in the 16th century. But who is to be our Cranmer?
While anyone can be blessed by the vicar, for instance to go into the world proclaiming the risen Lord, a wedding blessing is reserved for a man and woman coming together in matrimony. Homosexual individuals and couples can receive a church blessing for any number of reasons, just not matrimonial. Sorry about stating the obvious!
There is no middle ground
No?
I think that the Church needs competence rather than obedience. When I was 11 years old a teacher asked me if I was told to jump out of a four storey window would I? The teacher was making the point that obedience is a means to an end not an end in itself. God gave use brains and encouraged to think for ourselves. God invites us into a loving relationship. In my understanding loving relationships are not about obedience. St Paul was a great man but he was not right about everything and did not claim to be!
Need to show the SSA people love and invite them to repent
Welsh Anglican church even have a lesbian Bishop of Monmouth.
When people start to realise that the religious dogmas they pursue are harmful and unjust, perhaps.
No they can't
The C of E is dead.
I am CofE KJV but find Christianity is divorced in the 2nd century from its roots in Abraham, no democracy just one faith. I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
There is no such thing as "The Church of England". There is rather, the Church in England, the Catholic Church, which was persecuted and driven underground by the Anglican ascendancy. Though catholics now once again form the largest group of practicing religionists in the country. Christus regnat!
The C of E would have to clear our Welby London Oxford and others before theres any reconciliation.
No. Goodbye, Anglos!
I am praying that their graces , the Lord and Lady Bishop come to a settlement to keep to Biblical doctrine and the preserve the sanctity of marriage
By definition there is NO such thing as a 'lady bishop'.
@@marcokite No?
Who gets to define sin , we have to stand on the word of God as revealed by the Scriptures or we are Apostate , Repent repent…..
“sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3: 4
@SimonPeterSutherland Also, sin is a state where the self is alienated from God.
One could argue that religion is an impediment to self-understanding. I don't think so, but the post modern obsession with psychology explains their antagonism to religion i.e. as an impediment to self understanding. It's exacerbated by that conservatism, whereby the conservatives are alienated from themselves!
@@davidsprouse151 The Bible says “sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3: 4
@@SimonPeterSutherland that's the result of transgression: alienation from God. I don't think you understood what I said.
@@davidsprouse151 When Adam originally sinned, he was not alienated from God. Sin was already in him or he could not have sinned in the first place.
Alienation takes place when someone has been cut off from God, as Paul states in Colossians 1: 21. However, Paul speaks about it in the past tense, as though that alienation has been removed through Christ.
Do you agree or disagree?
Repentance not reconciliation.
The COE is forecasted by Protestants to end in 2062.
The world's ending before that, we're good
I love the C of E but there’s a sort of narcissistic perspective from them- like they’re living on another planet, discussing ideology and twisting their narrative to suit their own agenda and viewpoints, worrying about numbers and popularity, desperate for attention.
In the meantime, theirs a cost of living crisis, people are struggling and crying out for a strong rock to stand on. Jesus met people where they were struggling, not where he thought they should be. The Pharisees would spout laws, walk around judging. Jesus just got on with ministering and loving and giving and doing the will of his Father in heaven. His eyes were on his Father. He didn’t just do handouts , he healed the reasons that someone needed a handout.
The eyes of the church is on itself. Jesus seems almost irrelevant to them. They don’t reflect his love for people.
It’s all about what it looks like to other people, instead of to God.
And money is the root of all evil- cleanse the accounting, level up salaries.
If the church wants new wine, it must ask God to recreate a new wineskin.
There is a lot of narcissism among leaders, it’s as though the bishops know they are losing control and are trying to woo people back into their lair. It’s as though the leaders deliberately create division and then try to present themselves as the ones who seek reconciliation and if the people don’t respond then they are the problem. Yet they are the ones who created the division in the first place.
By the way money is not the root of all evil, the Scripture says the love of money is the root of all evil (1 Timothy 6: 10) Christ had nowhere to lay his head (Matthew 8: 20) and Peter didn’t even have any “Silver or gold” (Acts 3: 6) but the Archbishop of Canterbury is said to have a “net worth” of “around £3 million.”
Church of England ? Church of Jesus Christ??? Acts17:11 study the scripture to see if what is said is true !!
At the end times there will be appostacy!!!
The world has been in the end times for 2000 years (Hebrews 1: 2)
"Continuities of conflict"! - What a load of dialectical nonsense.
You all babble on about saving your precious church when are you going to care or worry about the millions of people suffering bondage at the hands of the latter day pharaoh Charles III and his greedy money grabbing treasury?
Just join the Ordinariate - and abandon all this nonsense.
BTW you do realise you're just a talking head? It doesn't make for riveting viewing.
As a person who supports same sex marriages I feel misrepresented by this video. I do not want same sex marriages to the exclusion of all else. There are many other things that I stand for. I am not obsessed with a single issue. If you want to bring recociliation between different factions within the Church it would be helpful if you would be honest about our initial positions without prejudging our ability to get on with each other.
Heresy never , ever will be accepted by those who truly follow Jesus Christ our Lord.
No matter that the path Is Narrow.
It’s meant to be Adam.
Hi Adam (I won’t ask how Steve is as that would be crass), but seriously, if Jesus forbade any type of sexual activity between people who are not married as man and wife, how do you justify the same sex ‘marriage’ within Scripture?
I do not want same sex marriages to the exclusion of all else. - Well you clearly do. If you did not then you would accept that the historical teaching of the church on marriage and sexuality is clearly based on scripture, and would either not be a member or would be a celibate SSA member. If you feel misrepresented I would point to your own clear cognitive dissonance as the cause.
I don't understand how you can reconcile on heresy, there's no argument to have on blessing sin. Jesus' only teachings on sex are telling an adulterous women to sin no more and that those who are not called to be married should practice chastity.
@@paulcharlwood702 It is interesting how you think you can read my mind. There are many things in the world that cause me concern. I find it sinful that we continue to damage our environment and make only marginal changes in our lifestyles. I find it wrong that many people will go to bed to tonight hungry, without access to clean water, essentials for daily living or access to health care. I think it is wrong that wars rage through the word and that nuclear weapons exist. I find it wrong that there is so much dishonesty and corruption in political life. Those are just few examples. It is dishonest to suggest that people who support same sex marriages care about that to the exclusion of all else.
This whole business seems a complete waste of time. These folk are living in a fantasy world!