Intermittent Fasting Does NOT Increase Heart Attack and Stroke Risk (study analysis)
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- Опубліковано 7 чер 2024
- Let's breakdown the latest, bogus nutritional epidemiology study trying to make the claim that fasting will increase your odds of dying from heart disease.
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----------------------------------------Show Notes-------------------------------------
0:00 Intro
0:03 Sensational headlines
0:57 Statistical details
1:30 Nutritional epidemiology
2:54 Study period was 2003 to 2018
3:22 Only 414 people in 8 hour feeding arm
4:30 Smoking
6:47 20% died, why?
8:41 AHA Conflicts of interest
Key Takeaway: data was collected between years 2003-2018 (long before fasting was popularized). The 414 subjects who supposedly “fasted” for 16 hours a day were much unhealthier than the 11,00 subjects who reported eating in a 12-16 hour window. (They smoked more, weighed more, etc…) In fact, 20% of the 414 subjects died over the study period. Bottom line: this study does NOT show fasting will increase your risk of heart disease.
Pretty much every newspaper in the UK has this "study" in the news today. Thanks for this video. Just knew it was BS
This study is such a BS... I'm going to stick to IF feeling better than in my twenties and you guys can continue to eat burgers all day as far as I'm concerned 😂
I’ll bet the news will not report on this false news and correct it.
Who would benefit from pushing this bogus study? Food Industry and Healthcare Industry... Aka Major Advertisers
Before it was popularized? IF was COINED in 2011 this is called p-hacking.
"Medical science is making such remarkable progress that soon none of us will be well.”
- Aldous Huxley
Why fix your ailments when they can bill you?
Take your Soma and drift into bliss…
Thats one of the goals. The other is to just straight up depopulate. The people are euthanizing themselves through false belief in germs and fake viruses.
The cure lol is the disease.....
@@salad_gold_rancher Treating the symptoms makes a life-long patient. I'm so glad I've always been a square peg that refused to bow to conventional wisdom. My hope is that we 'square pegs' may find some listening ears, now that things have reached a crisis point. Keep educating others! :) and keep on thriving. xx from Canada
So I was born with a faulty heart valve and told two years ago they will monitor it but eventually I will need an operation for a new one. I decided a year ago to step everything up. I got rid of most carbs, with the exception of veggies , and cut out all sugar. I then started walking 5 days a week, 10,000 steps. A month into this, I decided to do a 42 hour water fast, not a problem because my body had already got rid of the crap , only whole foods. Then I started my meals at 11 am and 7 pm, and within 9 months I loss 12 pounds and have abundant energy. My cardiologist said after my yearly test that my heart has now gone from moderate to mild, she was baffled as to this because progression always gets worse. The benefits of fasting now for 36 hours once every 2 weeks and intermittenting fasting 5 days a week are amazing.
Drs are often baffled.
Faulty heart valves don’t fix themselves.
It requires surgical intervention.
Diet and lifestyle change won’t fix an already faulty heart valve
At this point, you can figure what is the correct choice by going the opposite of the mainstream authorities
Useful heuristic
100%
AHA also marked chocolate milk with over 20 grams of sugar, heart healthy.
To help increase sales. they're all in on it. lobbyist in Washington too.
Probably because it was low-fat chocolate milk 🙄
Regular milk has 50g per litre
@@jaybird7773 chocolate milk is just low-fat milk with added sugar so it definitely has even more sugar per liter or whatever amount you want to measure
It's 100% gaslighting. That's all this is. Damage control.
Food companies want us to eat a lot and eat frequently. They have lobbyists everywhere
@@mancunianinlondon This is exactly what I was thinking when I heard this study come out. People eating less (and healthier) means, consumers buying less food!
@@CarlosMendez003 eating less food and eating focussed om whole foods like meat, fish, eggs, cheese etc is not what they want right?
Just remember, the USA Heart association president John Warner had a heart attack during a heart health conference in 2017. So much for the experts.
Oh goodness - is he okay!?
Oof
[EDIT]
Wrong John Warner, sorry felllas. President of the association was 52 when he suffered from a minor heart attack.
He was 90 in 2017. I agree with the criticism, but at that age it's expected. He also survived it and lived for 2 more years.
@@kula6397 yeah at that age, true.. start young, benefit longer!
This is a one person example I get what your point is but it has no legs considering he’s only one data point.
And notice how the media companies are all in lockstep over this. As they often are.
Food Industry and Healthcare industry make up the majority of their advertising revenue
Not $hocking to $ee that!!!
That why we need to quit listening and break the raging at b.s. addiction. 🤪😂
I guess this means our ancestors were all dying of heart disease for the last 2 million years or so
Sometimes I sleep longer, to increase my fasting window, because I like eating too much.
Hear, hear.
And u say that with Saitama as your dp😂😂
@@Live_eviL ... Sleeping is the ultimate bargain when you're hungry
Same here. Thought I was the only one lol
- The majority of the American Heart Associations funding comes from ultra processed food manufacturers,
- The meal of the day that contains the most ultra processed food = breakfast,
- The meal that the majority of fasting practitioners skip = breakfast,
- Nothing to see here...
Exactly. The study comes out of nowhere and makes a ton of headlines on outlets that they most likely fund and have influence over.
I case it isn't obvious at this point, we live in a clown world. A good rule of thumb is to do the OPPOSITE of whatever the powers that be tell us to do.
Bingo
Now, should people take their 6th "safe & effective" jab?
@@capo4270 Depends if they like playing Russian roulette or not..
I'd suggest doing your due diligence and figuring what's true or not before kneejerking your opinions to oppose or support institutions.
@@TheDarkLasombra Have you ever heard the saying about the word 'ASSUME'?
The biggest clown is in the White House...😅😮
those people skipped breakfast to have a cig so they technically were intermittent fasting lol
I defintely know what that's all about!! I used to be a smoker!! Thank goodness I quit that nasty habit.
Shocker; you can’t believe the mainstream media when it comes to fitness and health. Now apply that to everything.
T H I S
On another comment section, I discussed detail of who financed this study and how it was shape specifically by the food industry. When they did the robo calling and interviews. Guess what was kept out deliberately. If you ate snacks through the day, they didn’t count it as a meal nor people drinking soda all day long. They only counted huge meals and cereal and desserts weren’t counted.
More like dieserts.
@@zperdekYou leave my unsweetened baker's chocolate out of this 😂
@@crimson90 How is that saying?" Choose your poison"
if the backlash hits them hard enough they would probably drop the blame on its Chinese origins. Probably intended as a fall guy in the beginning.
Yoshinori Ohsumi, a Japanese cell biologist, was awarded the 2016 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his discoveries on how cells recycle their content, a process known as autophagy, a Greek term for “self-eating.”
Fasting activates autophagy.
As much as exercise? How about both then please 💪🙌
@@jjjames6894 much more than exercise. Youre right though, both are good.
@@jjjames6894 " As much as exercise? How about both then please 💪🙌 "
Prolonged fasting (>60 hour fasts) does MUCH more then excercise.
TRE and excercise are probably quite comparable.
@@Ashlyn-qg5tt "so does exercise. and your body does it anyway"
may not be enough, especially if you were a sugarholic for years
Yep, I just did 144 hour water and electrolyte fast, still weight trained, 6+miles a day walking, with cardio and felt great. Sorry that I didn’t get the memo that I was supposed to have a heart attack and die. 🤪😂@@btudrus
We all fast when sleeping. It is good that we have people like Mike to explain studies from a different perspective.
I don't sleep. Mostly.
Get up and eat your beetus like a normal American who is woken up in the middle of the night by food cravings.
Giving your body 2 to 3 hours before bed to digest food has been shown to clinically lower insulin resistance.
40% of the American Heart Association's budget comes from the food industry. That says it all
I guess that means people need to get their corn syrup seed oil food paste into an IV bag so that they can make it through the night so that they don't need to break any fast with breakfast 🤦🤦🤦
yum, my favorite!
This explains why people in the bible fasted regularly and lived to be over 400 years old.
You're speaking of the preflood world, longevity may have been allowed by God to populate the earth. If you read the Bible, you'll see that life becomes exponentially shorter as we get into the new testament. No humans lived to this very past the age of around 120
I'm about as bible thumping as one gets but you're way off on that. Pre flood conditions was like living in a hyperbaric oxygen chamber. There is plenty of scripture that promotes fasting and/or only eating once or twice a day, but to say they lived that long bc of fasting is ludicrous. Please dont give the lost God hating fools any reason to mock than they already do. God Bless
What explains that?..
Yeah that is a fable. I'd be willing, with some hesitation, to believe people might have lived to be very old even compared to today, but it is absurd to believe humans ever lived to be 2...3..4 centuries old.
@@Barnabus007 When you look at the causes of aging, it's really not hard to believe at all. What's harder to believe is why most never see 100 now. It's as though we simply expect to get old and die at 85. That's normal, but it shouldn't be. Dr. Sten Eckberg o(on YT) has an excellent explanation of aging, its causes, why we should not expect it and accept it, and how to slow it down.
Great video to watch while fasting
Ramadan Kareem, brother
@@omertopal5162 Allah akram
May big allah bless you big times many!!!!!
fasting is a blessing ...those who say that it's bad for you need awakening and forgiveness as they are fast asleep
I have been fasting for 20 hours a day and I feel amazing, while losing weight!
Most smokers smoke instead of eating so there you go
I saw that in the media and made a note to go and read the paper because it sounded implausible. You've saved me the effort. NHANES epi --> Confounders --> Small N --> Small delta --> Nonsense result. Honest title "Being old, fat, eating crap and smoking makes you more likely to die"
It is already too late! The cat is out of the bag!😂 What ever they say, it is the opposite!
Exactly.
I got this in my inbox, and thought .... hahaha, can't WAIT to see Mike's analysis of this! Thanks, man, you never disappoint. Much love, from Canada.
From the website of the AHA about their food cert program:
"Fees paid by food manufacturers participating in the certification program are to cover administrative costs and operating expenses. "
OK, they pay for it.
Reminds me of The Frog Study where Dr. Ribit studied the jumping height of frogs. He placed a frog next to a yard stick and told it to jump and recorded the result. "A frog with four legs jumped one yard." He then cut the front legs off of the frog and told the frog to jump and recorded the results. "A frog with two legs jumps half a yard." Then Dr. Ribit removes the hind legs and tells the frog to jump but this time the frog just flopped around. He shouted at the frog, "Jump!, Jump!". But the frog just twitches a bit bleeding out. He then screamed at the frog, "Jump you stupid frog, jump!!!!'" Dr. Ribit then entered his final result. "A frog with no legs is deaf."
This story made me so sad for the frog and I hate slimy animals.
Mike, thanks for being so on top of all of these bogus studies!
seems like everything is twisted 180
nutritional epidemiology is a crime against humanity!
Thank you for bringing this video back and for clarification!
Thanks so much for posting another video on this to look at these details. Absolutely shocking that despite much stronger evidence showing the anti inflammatory and healing effects on heart muscle tissue from fasting - that they tout this study with such a leap of an "assocation" yet cannot explain at all what actually is happening that could cause them to tout 91% increase risk. Truly stunning to me that this is supposed to be some sort of high authority that the public should listen to for guidance. Truly a shame. Thank you again.
TRF threatens corporate profits, lest it catch on with the public
>fasting is bad
>eating meat is bad
>working out is bad
what's next? Being happy is bad too?
Being smart is bad for them
The Food Industry and Healthcare industry are being affected by healthy lifestyles like IMF that limit food intake and health issues that come from excessive food intake. These industries are conveniently the largest advertisers across mainstream media.
and Covid vaccines are safe and effective
Oh, apparently wanting to be healthy is "healthism". I saw a video about it made by some "doctor".
What's next? Fasting, eating meat and working out is so bad that we won't be allowed to discuss it because we might "trigger someone."
I'm going to trust the science not the fact that I lost 100 pounds and came off all my meds listening to Mike, foodlies, and Dr. Fung.
I’m not sure what’s more sad than they lying to us or the people still believing their lies.
The people still believing. This I cannot understand. Not at all
@@dv270yeah…. I’m thankful I’m not brainwashed
Great analysis! Thank you for doing this!
Insane stuff
Big food companies doesn't want you fasting, they need make profits from crappy food they making, clear message!
Thanks for covering this so well! It is absolutely infuriating and reminds me of the USDA's statement/ study where they concluded that a healthy diet could be composed of 91% ultra high processed foods. What is this!?.... These institutions we are supposed to trust and take guidance from are corrupt.
I did know a woman who ate one meal a day back in the early 60s. We lived above them a few months when my Dad was posted to Clinton, Ontario. I was 5 years old and thought she was beautiful. She had two children. One a little younger than me.
My mother told me latter in life about how she ate.
The last time I saw her was at my wedding. Mom and her had stayed good friends.
She was still beautiful and could have passed for being in her twenties very easily then. Still beautiful.
The only other people I knew back then who did not eat all day were alcoholics. My uncle being one of them. He also smoked and was overweight. He died young.
Thanks, Mike!!!❤️
thanks for breaking this down for us
Thank you for clarifying.
This was on the news this morning and came here for a little enlightenment. Thanks for the factual breakdown of the study that none of media digs into.
Thanks for taking the time to read the small print! Can we nominate you for Surgeon General?
Thank you for clearing this up, I had a feeling something was amiss when I heard the assertions of the research. I had to do a double-take though when you mentioned Simeon Panda (and thought, the bodybuilder?), and not Dr. Satchin because I remember seeing him with Dr.Rhonda Patrick. Cheers!
The worst part is people will now be afraid of recommending IF, out of fear of being sued and found liable by juries that believe this report.
Thank you for the clarity! I've been living an intermittent fasting lifestyle since 2010.
Thank you so much!
If the “experts” say it’s bad I will always question that. These people are pure evil.
Thank You! 👍
Thanx a lot for your informative vedeo
Thank you for countering such an insanely confounded “study” with rational thought.
I have been doing one-meal-a-day intermittent fasting and Ketogenic diet for over two years now. I completely reversed my insulin resistance, reversed all my medical conditions, got off all my medications, full of energy, no fatigue and lost over 90 pounds...Intermittent fasting is the healthiest thing you can do for yourself. Basically, just do the opposite of the recommendations of the AHA, like the high sugar, high carbohydrate Standard American Diet.
Most people who do keto and or fasting are usually overweight diabetic pre-diabetic. Or some other metabolic issues in an effort to correct these problems.
Good point. There may be some “sick user bias” here. Don’t believe the study quantified how long they had been eating in a short window, which could be reflective of being a recent practice in response to being sick.
My uncle only ate one meal a day. Started drinking first thing in the morning. Smoked non stop. Was very overweight. Died young.
He represents their subjects, not the keto community.
Speaking of fasting, which we will continue to do, i find using zero calorie carbonated water helps alot. The carbonation expands in the stomach causing you to feel fuller, longer.👍
Not only smoking but 65.9% drink alcohol.
Thank you! I thought something was off with those studies!!
Big food and big PHARMA need expansion of dietary excess and a sick and overweight population to thrive that’s why we are so glad to have health warriors like you sharing quality real nutritional info thank you and thank you for this video update
When did surveys become standard protocol for "scientific studies?"
Thanks Mike for spoken out about how sometimes we should have critical thinking of research publications.
NOT ALL published paper guarantees a factual truth.
And btw, as someone who happened practices of Dawood fasting (one day fast and the next day off) for about 15 years since I was 19. Let me tell you something, I’ve never been went to the doctor ever since. The hardest sick was only during pandemic and even so. I took recovery faster than everyone on my circle.
No pun intended. 😊
Perhaps your most important video yet. THANKS! I've fasted for decades and apparently have excellent heart health. I also lift and carnivoe / ketovore, so, draw your own conclusions. I do.
Breaking fast by uncontrolled bindge eating might be a considerable factor?
Yeap that is what one guy who is a Muslim said and agrees with the study from his Ramadan experience.
Yeah...my oldest child was upset when they read that and wanted me to stop IF
They ate in an 8 hour window for TWO DAYS. The original survey only asked for TWO DAYS worth of their eating schedule. Then extrapolated that over eight years.
That was the norm for my uncle everyday. He was also a smoker, an alcoholic and overweight. Died young.
You do realize if you eat all day there is less room for booze. My uncle, nice man, could have been one of the subjects.
Anyone who knows an alcoholic knows the drinking starts when they get up.
Thanks again for another VERY informative video! I will continue fasting😅
What are the effects of taking NAC+Gly together with Urolithin A? I ask because they both seem to work on the mitochondria.
TYIA! And looking forward to your next video!
Instead take ozempic
If for no other reason than the catchy song
Excellent assessment! I knew when I saw the headline that it couldn't be what it seemed to be. IF has helped me quite a bit.
I just had a big conversation with my friend and laughed our heads off. We read between the lines then laughed some more.😅
Thanks, Mike. I am in agreement with you and utilize intermittent fasting. I swear that I feel better doing it. Again, thanks!
That group was not fasting intentionally so one can’t compare the results For most of us who do it we do many other related things, ensure increase calories in our two meals, supplements, protein shakes, reduced carbs etc
Your analysis of this poster abstract was spot on. Also, as I've commented elsewhere already: "Prof. Mark Mattson who is a neuroscientist who studied intermittent fasting in animals and fasts himself for more than 40 years doing 18/6, explained very well how intermittent fasting works from evolutionary point of view in his "The Intermittent Fasting Revolution: The Science of Optimizing Health and Enhancing Performance" book. That's it."
🙏🏼Thank you for this! You raise some important points. I’m adding a couple more. First, it appears to be about the typical confusion between correlation and causation. It sounds like the study was about correlation but it is reported as IF/TRE causing heart related deaths, an erroneous conclusion. But such conclusion can increase profits for numerous groups, including news outlets and food companies. Establishing causation can be accomplished in experiments where key variables are controlled for. Was this an experimental study? Second, it would be worthwhile looking into the source of funding for the study. Who actually funded the group reported in the article?
When they report flawed studies like this, it’s like someone crying out “FIRE!” in a crowded theater. You’re driving up hysteria and potentially putting people in danger when everything’s safe.
Thanks for doing this in depth review!!! Its is crazy to imagine worrying about not eating for sometime while recommending processed junk...
Here's a ChatGPT summary:
- Intermittent fasting is claimed to be linked with a 91% higher risk of cardiovascular-related death according to sensationalized media headlines.
- The study in question was presented at the American Heart Association's Annual Conference in Chicago and involved data from the NHANES dataset.
- The dataset used 24-hour food frequency questionnaires, which have limitations and rely on participants' memory of their eating habits.
- The study compared a small group of 414 people who ate within an eight-hour window to a much larger group of 11,831 people who ate within a 12 to 16-hour window.
- The smaller group had a higher percentage of smokers (27%) compared to the larger group (16%).
- The group with the eight-hour eating window also had the highest body mass index (BMI) among all categories.
- The study followed participants for a median of eight years, during which 20% of the smaller group died, which is a high number compared to about 10% in the other groups.
- The study's findings may be influenced by an unhealthy user bias, as the smaller group had higher rates of smoking and higher BMI.
- The study's results are being criticized for potentially misleading the public into thinking intermittent fasting is harmful based on a small, potentially less healthy subset of the population.
- The American Heart Association, which released the study, has been criticized for allowing its heart-healthy logo on ultra-processed foods.
- Randomized controlled trials have shown health benefits of time-restricted eating, including improved longevity biomarkers and metabolic health.
- The speaker believes that the study's findings should not deter people from practicing intermittent fasting, as there is substantial evidence supporting its benefits.
- Main message: The speaker argues that the study linking intermittent fasting to increased risk of cardiovascular-related death is flawed and misinterpreted by the media, and that intermittent fasting remains a beneficial dietary practice based on other robust evidence.
Finally! An important debunk with a straightforward title, not the click-baity equivocating trash of other channels!
I used chat GPT to analyze such studies and it gives me great summaries
For me, a highly significant take away from this abstract is that p-values for ACM were all > 0.05 meaning results are not statistically significant.
Also, how in the 2000s did they find 27% of that cohort who still smoke. I don't know and haven't known that percent of people that smoke. Seems like this is more a study about risk of smoking and bad diet that feeding window.
Smoking suppresses appetite. So smoking selected people into the I.F. cohort. The mother of all confounders.
Isn't this study is out of China? More smokers there. The fact that it is still so much higher is a "red flag" that some other things will be off. I've known that many smokers, but that was working with the military
If the study has been done in China, yeah, they either still smoke or they've died. In terms of smoking, they are where we were in the 60s -- culturally it can aid a man's image to smoke, so there's motivation to continue smoking.
@@shj2783 The data is out of NHANES. That is the mark of death for statistical inference.
How many samples of eating patterns did they take during the study period? If I read properly they had a minimum of 2 days of eating history maybe twice during the whole study period.??? Pick a couple of days out of any of our eating patterns and then extrapolate that over 18 years? Sounds ridiculous.
Not eating all day is normal alcoholic behavior. If you eat, less room for booze.
I've been fasting for years. Last April I started having heart palpitations. Went to cardiologist and was diagnosed with PVC's. I have no proof that's what caused them, but I don't have any proof that's not why they started. I'm no longer doing longer fasts to see if that helps.
I've been doing IF for years now and my cardio fitness has only improved. Replenishing electrolytes is important during fast that could be the issue.
it depends what foods are being consumed during eating window. theyre eating foods laced with canola.sunflower oil.
@Highintensityhealth How did the study address drinking outside of the window. Things such as sugary drinks, coffee with sugar creamer, sweet tea, juice, alcohol, etc. Did they filter such things out since such things break a fast?
I was a smoker during that time period and most smokers as well as I always drank sugary caffeine drinks right after a cigarette because your mouth was dehydrated and it was additional stimulus. With the high amount of smokers in the study I am curious how they addressed such drinking.
Ty
If anything this study proves the relation between having a heart attack and smoking
Glad I know after fasting since 2018 and feeling great. I was thinking of smoking and drinking some Dews & hot dogs. Maybe I should quit my exercise too.
All I know is that when I eat all day long, I feel physically & mentally tired/lethargic, unmotivated, foggy-brained & unhappy. When I stick to a 6-7 hour eating window, & a low carb diet, everything changes in the most amazing & positive ways. From quick excess weight loss to significantly better health stats. And having lots of energy & a relaxed, pleasant mental state. If this "ends" me - so be it. At least I passed happy & comfortable. (A bit of sarcasm, of course ;)
I am 50 and I have done intermittent fasting off and on since I was 24. Most my adult life and still do is omad
Used to do it for years when i was working & never hurt me. Never ate breakfast or lunch & just ate dinner at 4pm with a few evening snacks. I actually gained weight the few times I'd eat lunch. I'm 61.
I expect that the 8 hour time frame was chosen because of the results, that is, they were not necessarily testing for effects of durations of eating times but just looked for any findings that they could use to discredit alternatives to the SAD.
Trying to discourage something that will probably prevent the need to go on statins or oxempic
I think we can all thank Harvard, the news media, and the fantastic field known as "nutritional science" for the outstanding states of both mental and physical health in the United States! They should be truly proud of all their accomplishments.
Not just the USA. Their influence has spread around the world. Death Canada follows their advice.
Omad or 18/6 window just feels right for me!
I'm down 100 lbs even with low thyroid!
Upf's are counterfeit food and off the menu!
Be well people ❤
Thank you so much! Probably a lot of them already had issues that we're having major consequences. And what medications they were taking,?
And very likely they could have been drinking diet soda all day even during the fasting period, along with smoking.
And many never drink any water. And people with an unhealthy lifestyle will pop things in their mouth, and they don't even realize it.
It's pretty sad that people fall for this. And don't use their head, or think for themselves. Yet people believe that eat completely processed food with no nutrition, is good for them. How can people change, if they don't want to think? Thanks again!
12:07 isn't Dr panda first name Sachin at salk institute? You said simian??
Thoughts on dry fasting? Dr Eric Berg made a short video about it.
Tried many diets. Have never felt better than on a TRFP