giving SARAH J. MAAS one more chance with HEIR OF FIRE (I regret it everything)
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2025
- she's back and better (worse??) than ever! sorry that ive been gone forever I was busy graduating university
this is probably where I leave the Throne of Glass series (for real this time I swear), cause this one almost did me in lol
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This is the last installation of our throne of glass recaps!! I genuinely can’t take any more ✊😔 How are we all feeling??
Were in pain😭
This is literally the only way I have ever experienced Sarah J Maas so I'm doing pretty all right watching another suffer for my entertainment
Also would love if you did ACOTAR
i watch these so i dont have to read them soooooo i don't blame you for being over it lol
As a lover of fantasy, Im sorry you had to torture yourself like this. Sarah J Maas is just not it
i love that someone thinking she's homeless is an "all-time low" when she started the series being TORTURED IN PRISON
right?? like bestie your origin story is a prison labour camp?? surely things have been worse for you lol
People hate homeless people so much it's CRAZY.
@@marthamaywhovier5962 That was something that stood out to me A LOT in this series - Sarah J Mass just hates poor people an ungodly amount. Every single 'good' character is also noble or rich
She’s mistaken for a sex worker, not homeless. Still not great, but different
"Not everyone needs to be in a relationship, people can just exist" YES THANK YOU
sjm has a vowel fetish and i'm convinced she only wrote the books as a vehicle for her to make up character names
bahaha not the vowel fetish 💀
she DOES (can't say I'm not guilty of similar crimes but at least I admit to it)
I mean... she did create like 4 names for the main character right? A great excuse for more names
I find it crazy that authors write love-interests that are distantly related and somehow think it's completely okay...like some people are still going to feel weird abt it. Later in the series, SJM tries to 'fix' this problem by saying that Rowan's bloodline is so distant from Aelin's that she's probably more related to Chaol than she is to him, which is absolutely crazy bc Chaol was also her love interest. Let's not forget that Aelin and Dorian are also related and they dated. In one series, SJM somehow managed to create two incestual relationships while also insinuating a third, all of which include Aelin.
People love incest 🤔
Dunno why, but people don't want to buy books about anything but absurd crimes anymore.
“not every character needs a love interest”
SJM: y’all hear something?
12:45 you know the writing is good when you can’t tell if it’s a creature or a vibe
literallyyyyyy 💀
I remember reading these in middle school and I think this is the second to last of the books I read. The shift to her becoming a fey princess retaking her kingdom felt so jarring, like her being an assassin didn't really matter much past this point. And the way the books kept on getting more and more explicit felt so uncomfortable especially since I was reading them at around twelve years old lol. I really liked Manon though, and I'm so disappointed to hear the direction her plotline went by the final book.
Hated what happened at the end with the thirteen
I agree. Manon is definitely a favorite. The witch’s interest me because that lore was fresh and fun. Her ideas are all over the place but she is talented.
The last book was a downgrade from badass to generic good side character. Oh, there is baggage of complex questions, that her past relationships are bringing? Just drop them. Easy peasy. She is not romanticly involved with a hot man? Quick throw her in the love octangle!
@@mcclorei9Manon and the thirteen were some of my favorites for those reasons as well! They came only second to Nehemia, who deserves more justice.
Wait wait wait, ANOTHER fey princess main character? She got a type, clearly, and ngl she sounds exactly like Feyre or whatever the heck her name is.
i keep having to double check if i'm watching these videos in the right order because everything feels like it's coming completely out of nowhere?? i have no idea how you made it through, you are truly god's strongest soldier.
honestly it feels like the first and second books could've been a seperate duology bc it had no relation to wtv this is 😭
SAME i feel like this is a completely different series than the first book how tf did we get here
EVERYONE DROP WHAT YOU'RE DOING ITS SHITTY BOOK CLUB TIME
i've never read sarah j maas in my life but i have covid and im high as shit rn so i've been back to back to back watching your videos on this series and it's really hard to tell how much of my devolving comprehension and ever-deterioriating ability to follow the plot comes from my current state of being versus the abysmal writing of these books versus your growing frustration with their chaotic illogic.
i hope you recovered well😊
Now that I've finished this entire series I wanted to come back and drop some of my favorite unhinged plot points and events of the later books. I promise all these things actually happen.
- Aelin and Elide take baths next to each other in separate tubs like they're in a Viagra commercial
- Aedion casually admits that he's pansexual during battle.
- The other rulers of Terrasen only allowed one person to take the blood oath, but Aelin hands it out like candy.
- Iron stops magic, but you can use magic ON iron and it works just fine.
- Dorian shifts himself into a woman and it's heavily implied that Manon is into it.
- SJM messed up Chaol's character so badly she had an entire book to rehab him.
- Rowan refuses to have sex with Aelin for like 3+ books because they're on the road and doesn't want to do it in nature, but when they finally do it's a beach where a bunch of people have just DIED and they get sand all up in each other.
- A bunch of gods get banished from the world and everyone just carries on as normal. It has no effect on their lives.
You’re so real with Chaol. I miss the Chaol in the first half of Queen of Shadows.
@@IXScasualty I agree Chaol is one of my favorite characters, but I also fell like the decisions that Sarah took with his character didn't made any sense, especially those:
1. How can you be a captain of the royal guard without kïlling anyone or experiencing death. (I once saw an anti chaol post saying that him being the captain of the guard didn't made any sense since he didn't do anything that would be useful to Adarlan and I agree).
2. Him being prejudiced towards magic wasn't much seen in first two books.
3. He was always awkward around women but SJM made him quite toxic in other books.
as an atheist, i appreciate that last point lmaooooo
This book has the same vibes as a barely-cannon season of a 400 episode anime
Very much so.
what anime??
@@verina_crochet_garden I was memeing abt One Piece lol but this series did start as Sailor Moon fanfic
@@Evelyn_Okay ok I had thought of one piece to
The emotional rollercoaster I went on from being so excited you posted a new video to being so upset that the fae cousin male love interest has the same name as me 💀💀💀
does it help that I know a deeply cool Rowan, and a UA-camr made a fun nonbinary assassin OC named Rowan?
@@thewingedporpoise if you're talking about Jacob Drawfee then YES it very much helps ‼️
@@rowan.27 I am indeed talking about Jacob Drawfee! I'm glad!
@@thewingedporpoise haha nice, same taste in UA-camrs high five!! ✋️
@@rowan.27 high five! ✋
These book club videos are always so cozy in a way I find difficult to describe
i love them so so much
I kinda liked Rowan and Aelin (ignoring the age gap) but rethinking it now because I didn’t realize they were RELATED. Changes a whole perspective to the books, like why SJM 😭. You could’ve just as easily made that not a thing, like it doesn’t come back in the books and isn’t important to the story lmao😭
"being seen as unhoused was a new low" BABES YOUVE BEEN IN PRISON???
you have no idea how i excited i am that you posted girl
This book is where this series became a completely different series than the first two books. Even Celaena/Aelin doesn’t feel like the same character after the second book. It’s crazy
The witch part is the most interesting part of the whole series ( i assume. I stopped reading somewhere near the middle of this book). I'm not surprised it stuck with you because it's also the part i remember best
I read the whole series, honestly, this is the worst book. its setting up for so much to happen later. I considered it all worth it for Choal's book from his POV and just one other character.
That's nice to know. There's cool elements of the world that i would consider restarting for@@evelynwright329
This is my new favorite booktube channel, it feels like I’m listening to a friend infodump/rant while I’m scrolling through instagram
SHE HATH RETURNED
AHJAJFHSKFHA SHES BACK
28:53 okay i'm coming into this with 0 knowledge, i simply decided i'd watch this video without knowing anyone or anything so i have no clue what's going on, but i think this part is a real missed opportunity.
in a fantasy story like this, it's really important to bring back some realism that connects the readers to the characters, whether that be love troubles or feeling lost or overwhelmed, and coming of age is super popular to do that. grief isn't as deeply explored past the basic idea of "stages of grief" and i really think something that could be interesting is the complication that being a widower poses.
imagine a story where the female character (forgot her name lmao) has the internal conflict of feeling less loved over the late loved one of the male character (also forgot his name)? there could be super sweet convos about the MC and his feelings for his late wife/mate, a bonding over the FC and MC's losses, they could come to a mutual understanding of each other through it. and instead it's just "ik i loved her or whatever but she's dead now and i like you more" like that's just wild!
i know lots of things abt this story are asinine and truly tropes on tropes, but i really like grief storylines and so it popped out as something that could've been great.
They weren’t together or thought about it in heir of fire Roman was caught up with his feelings for another book later and Celeana was still caught up with her past lover Celeana was very depressed in that book and Roman was depressed for like a hundred years
I wish the men around me would smell that I don’t want to talk to them 😢
I've never read these books, and I never intend to, but it's eternally entertaining to listen to you explain the insanity within. Also, congrats on graduating!
I used five months to read those books plus acotar, all for me to get depressed when a character dies✋✋
Oh thank god she’s back I was getting worried
There's a lot of pedantic arguments a person can make about the validity of their distant-familial pairings but I think people are really underestimating how easy it is, when writing a book, to make the two romantically involved characters not related. It actually takes out a huge chunk of work because you don't have to write the long awkward "well you're only distantly related so it's like fine it barely even counts you wouldn't even attend the same reunions. it's mostly marriage anyway" when you can just. not do that and have them not be related at all fdskjd.
I'm also not even sure about the "if you go back far enough" argument (not as in arguing with you but as in 'as a defence of fictional incest') because it kind of presupposes an adam and eve scenario rather than the one that exists. if you go back far enough the distance you had to be from a relative to have kids with them without making your mutual grandparents upset shrinks significantly but I'm not sure that's the slam dunk people want it to be, especially in a fairy scenario when literally anything you want can be true. I've liked a lot of books that in a historical setting will allow for cousin marriages to exist, but in an ostensibly modern fantasy it always kind of makes me go 🤔 like nobody had to. is the thing.
bestie in the absolute best way possible you sound so aromantic
As an ace woman this is exactly what I was thinking 😂 somewhere on the aro and/or ace spectrum
Aroace here, I was getting the same vibes when she went on her rant about how not everyone needs a partner!
LMAO I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say 😭😭
i’m ace, but i have experienced one (1) SJM book and guarantee it’s just the writing XD these aren’t characters, they’re excuses to write bad smut.
Oh my god missed you! Even though I binged all your videos a few weeks ago for the first time but still!
I'm completely lost but you are just so compelling 😂
I loved that you made it all the way through! I think I DNF several books ago but it's still exciting to hear it through your lens.
Your videos on Sarah J Mass make me so glad I didn't end up buying any of her books.😭😭😭😭This makes me feel like I'm in one of those headache inducing dreams💔
I love Sarah J Mass.. you should try reading it but only if you LOVE fantasy and high stakes and sub plot romance
This series had a hold on me in my teenage highschool years and i now LIVE for videos tearing them.appart even tho i remember them fondly.
Do you think SJM believes authors still get paid by the word?
Looking at her Crescent City books, absolutely.
You are constantly such a mood
Wasn't Rowan's mate bond artificially made by Maeve to control him but his real mate is actually Aelin
That’s gotta be some lore from a later book because I have absolutely no recollection of that 😭
yes! pretty sure this comes out either in the last book or the second to last. (maybe third bc second to last might be Choal's book)
Chaol's book was unnecessary yet necessary can't explain
@@Mitchplus374 is choal's book tower of dawn?
@@racheldoescreativity yup
when the world needed her most, she returned 🛐
i’m so sad that you didn’t like this series, This is my absolute favorite series of all time, but also since you’ve said that you’re a person that doesn’t tend to like fantasy, I get it where as fantasy is my favorite genre. Loved your reviews though!
I like fantasy and it's my favorite genre, but I didn't like Throne of Glass series
WE MISSED YOU!!!!
SHES BAAAACK
Thank god you’re back. I’ve been waiting so long.
i read these books 5 ish years ago because of a friend. it was whatever up to this point, but then the books became longer and the chapters more and more repetitive, i was skipping entire chapters in the last two books because every single person was agressively, heterosexually coupled up and had the exact same fight for no reason
the only character that i actively liked is gavriel, because hes the only nice one, and i was offended by the end of the book
that said, i think about these characters every couple of months for no reason and imagine alternative universe aus with more adventure and gay main original characters in my head
Callacula is such a funny name for a place like SJM just misremembered Calcutta, a real life city
Omg I'm so glad you're back 😭
LOVE YOU LOVE THIS SO GLAD YOIT BACK!!!
Starting with Heir of Fire I groaned internally every time the perspective switched from Aelin. Seriously considered flipping through entire chunks.
I think this is the book I stopped on. I was reading them as they came out and this was the last straw. Too many names, I hate Rowan, and the witches confused the hell out of me. The witches part would’ve been a good book but just throwing a whole subplot that had nothing to do with anything prior annoyed me. And the Dorian romance made me so angry.
it all has so much to do with everything when you finish the series. Manon is the only characters POV that made me cry in the last book.
@@evelynwright329 I believe you but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t come out of left field in this book. Maas isn’t for me and I say that as someone who loved Throne of Glass when it came out and preordered the second book. I just cannot stand the type of plotting where everything that’s set up in the first book proceeds to take a 180 in the rest of the series. It leaves me feeling disappointed and lied to. The expectations that Maas sets up are always completely undermined and it leaves me unable to trust her.
YES!! I fucking love you so much-we share so many of the same opinions about Sarah J Maas’s books and your videos give me life!!
OMG I read these in high school and ALSO forgot I read them but ALSO only remembered the witch plotline???
Thank you for your hard work! My cousin and I are slogging through these and I feel I have become a worse person as a result. Lord I was suffering.
15:24. AGREED! As an aroace individual I relate to this SO HARD! Give me single protagonists!😅
as a panroace enby i agree. connections that start with sexual attraction are sometimes tolerable, but any sort of romantic angst immediately turns me off (no pun intended). i’m fully an adult and i still can’t tell if the conflict from ambiguous relationships or love triangles is really meant to be appealing. i’d rather die than have two (or more) people try to compete for my attention, let alone my body. i would not be able to handle the stress. and it’s not that i don’t appreciate a little romance on the side, but when it’s the focus of a story that claims to be about action, political intrigue, etc i feel lied to. it’s a little easier to find something palatable in literature. but i also read webcomics and it’s a constant search for stories without second MLs, rampant miscommunication, sexual tension as a driving force…not to mention when i read a story that starts out great and devolves into love triangle nonsense. even some of my favorite stories would be MUCH better if they didn’t also involve multiple love interests (or any at all). that only scratches the surface but i think i’ve made my point 😂
BESTIE IS BAAAAACKKKKKKK
Yayyyy I love your videos! So glad you are back 🎉
I'm glad I found this channel for my commute to school
Congrats on graduating!
Spoilers if you care;
Rowan, the endgame love interest of this series, PUNCHES HER IN THE FACE. No. No no no no no.
He's even worse in Queen of Shadows
i Think im speaking for all of us when i say we missed your videos !!! ❤
If you ever feel like trying Chinese fantasy I’d recommend Mo Xiang Tong Xiu’s books. Good plots and good characters
Yassss the best one! MENG Xi Shi is also amazing
SIX OF CROWS!! If you read that book I swear the writing is 10x better the plot is way more interesting!! As someone who does not like fantasy books and could hardly make it through the 1st throne of glass book…I finished the entire first book of Six of Crows in ONE day!!! You know that feeling when you’re reading and the book is so good that you almost forget you’re reading? That is Six of Crows it is literally a masterpiece!!!! If you do a commentary on it that would literally make my year!!! Love your content ❤ stay real girlie
10:57 the little shimmy she does when she says the king😂
I knew I had my notifications on for a reason
Thank you so much for slogging through these books so that I never have to 🙏😔
This ending with her in the cave is also very similar to the scene in Harry Potter where Robert Pattinson is killed and like all Harry's dead relatives come back as ghosts to cheer him on
oh my god i read this book in like eighth grade years ago and i thought i was tweaking when i read that rowan and celina were related because everyone fucking gaslit me into thinking theyr'e not/its not a big deal
Yesss a new video🎉
You actually inspired me to reread the entire series (currently in the middle of book 2)😊
Oh my gosh I’m so sorry ✊😔
Honestly I remember reading the entire series, and the beginning I really enjoyed but once it got to this book- no clue what was happening
I ended up just finishing the series just to finish it, which I feel like there was a lot more potential there since the story was interesting at first
I’ve been listening to this again in between my work. My favorite thing is popping in and out and missing the context but catching the frustration. It’s an amazing experience!
been waitinggggg for a new vid !! welcome backkk
Yesss she’s backk!!
I actually need you to do the rest of the books.. these are so good
YES GIRL WE LOVE IT
i wish she would do reviews for the rest of the books😞😞😞 i love coming to this channel to watch after i finish the book
OMG you're back!! Really enjoy your videos and I'm very excited to watch this one 🎉🎉
I also hate the Rowan - Celeana romance, which made me stop reading the series altogether!
when i needed her most the queen returned
TELL A FRIEND SHES BACK
I am so glad I found this video!! I read this series when I was in the 6th grade, so its so nice finding someone who understands how strange and weird this book series is. Manon was also my favorite character, cause I don't really remember her getting too explicit. I did also hate all of Alien's names, why are there so many???
Good ole' momma Maasy really said I'm making more love interests than Cupid's loan shark huh
😭
If cousins are good enough for the Hapsburgs and the British crown its good enough for SJM
BABE WAKE UP SHITTY BOOK CLUB DROPPED A NEW VIDEO
completely forgot about Aiden until you mentioned him and then immediately remembered shipping him with Chaol. making that the third thing i remember about this series lmao
Could you plz plz pretty plz continue the series plot summaries? 🥺 you make the books sounds kinda fun tbh and I want to know how it ends
WELCOME BACK QUEEN
Ive never read this series and have no idea whats going on but am so entertained
love the video!! however please be aware that sk*nwalkers are from Native American culture and it's very disrespectful to say or write their full name (hence why i censored it). they're not a cool cryptid to use in a story. i know that's sjm's fault for including them but we should all respect the request of the culture they come from.
love your videos, i listen to them a lot during my long drawing sessions!!
I didn’t know this! How does one respectfully refer to them out loud?
@@alittlefrog2395 I'm not sure, honestly, but there's probably plenty of info on it because it's such a common issue. that sounds bad but what I mean is it shouldn't be hard to find 😅
What? Sarah J Maas used a cultural symbol without fully looking into what it actually means? _shocking_
(Big ol /s, also all my animosity is directed at the author, not you or book club)
25:57 - a little freak out session in the kitchen does not even begin to describe what Celaena did. I listened to that on audiobook and was actively pulling my hair out.
i spent half of this video being very confused (but entertained!) until i realised i hadnt seen the previous video and thats why idk any of these characters 😂
I feel like you then stopped, watched the previous video, returned, and still feel exactly the same. 😂
Or maybe it's just me?
Am pretty sure that there is so much pov because throne of glass want to be a epic fantasy and that having multiple pov characters is a epic fantasy thing
eyyy girl welcome back >>>
Girlie I need you to read ACOTAR next cause I know you'd hate those books 😭😭 please join me in this feeling
OMG UR FINALLY BACCCKKKKKK YAYYY
it’s so funny bc this is as far as i got before i couldn’t take it anymore 😅
Watching this review is even better when I have no other context for the book or any of the rest of the series. No idea what's going on 🎉
15:05 "Not everyone needs to be in a relationship!"
Unfortunately, it gets worse...
So glad you're back! 😂
i am so glad that i am not the only lesbian to suffer through these books for next to no reason. I used to listen to these audiobooks with my sibling and we'd cringe and have fun, but we live apart now so having this series was nostalgic and cathartic. thank you!
i feel like you need to know that dorian and manon get together in a later book, truely no character is allowed to be single lol
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS PLS DONT STOP POSTING 💕💕
it's so hilarious that later in the series, literally every single character has a love interest, like I'm not even joking, EVERY. SINGLE. CHARACTER.
Soooo how much peer pressure are we talking to get you to read the next one?
I'm here for the bullying. xD Btw, you remind me of Bebe from Frasier. :) From the pic.