Hugh Jackman, being such a nice guy, felt bad about some of the things he had to say to Daphne/Laura in the scene where he discovers she can talk, and apologised to her mother. who replied, "That's okay, she just called you a c__t three times in Spanish.''
The adamantium wasn't the only thing hurting Logan, for years he had also been consuming food and water that had something that suppressed the mutant x gene. This is also a part of why there haven't been any new mutants.
It may also have contributed to Charles's illness and if you listen closely to Charles when he's talking to weapon 24 thinking it's Logan he remembers what happened to the X men. He had a seizure and killed them all. That's why Logan refused to tell Charles what happened to protect him from the guilt and pain. The doctor essentially exterminated the X men so when he revealed that during his villain monologue Logan shooting him in the throat is a perfectly understandable response.
Wait, what? It's the adamantium that is poisoning Logan - his healing factor is the only reason he was able to survive the process of it being implanted into him. There is no "food or water" that he's eaten over the year that is suppressing his mutant gene - he's just getting old.
@@LudusAurea Yes, that is what Rictor tells Logan about why there have been no new mutants. But there's nothing saying this is why Logan's mutant powers are diminishing. He's just getting older. And his healing factor would counteract this. In the comics the Old Man Logan story (which this is based on) has Logan as an old man whose mutant powers have gotten weaker over the years because he's getting older.
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As the badguy doc mentioned near the end, the reason Logan was actually dying was because they were lacing food and drinks with mutation suppressing agents. His regeneration was being suppressed over time. Tho yes adamantium was always poisoning him his regeneration didn't have any problems with it. That's also why there were no new mutants born. Laura/X-23s adamantium poisoning wouldn't also be as severe since it only covers her claws.
Logan had many kids. Most of them were gathered by his eldest son Dakken and given to people who hated Wolverine, trained to kill and sent after him so he would hill them and THEN they let him know he was their father and the organization members committed suicide so he could not exact revenge upon them for it. He himself buried the kids next to their mothers. And recently the comics act like Dakken is a good guy, with Laura even being on good terms with him because current day writers have no idea what morality and continuity means.
Lolumad cuz that's in an alternate world. Not real. Sorry. But fun fact wolverine does not die. After his death when he was covered in molten adamantine. He was resurrected with new and better powers. Sorry you're is just a spin off where as mine is actual canon. Cry some more princess
@@Matej_SojkaI mean, the comics haven't always been very consistent, even before modern writers Marvel was never as good with hat as Tolkien or pre-disney Star Wars EU
I have seen this movie probably 10 times, and every time, that bit gets me too. The only other scene I can think of that gets me every time is Boromir's death in Fellowship, at minimum, choked up.
Jackman, Keen and Stewart give otherworldly good performances in this film. If there wasn't as much of a stigma at the time, and now, about honoring these types of films, all three would have gotten nominations and the film would have gotten a Best Picture nomination at the Oscar's that year.
Dafne Keen, the actress for Laura/X-23, is as you guys commented, fantastic. Especially for being only 11 or 12 at the time. She had since starred in the series His Dark Materials, based on the book series, which also stars James McAvoy and i really enjoyed. She was also most recently in the Star Wars series The Acolyte. She's definitely a superstar in the making.
There is no way Dafne Keen can't come back, hopefully she has a place in Disney in the future. She is just an extremely talented actor and is putting together a really decent resume and sky's the limit for her
Biggest reason DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE was such a big watch for me this year was largely because they brought Keen back as Laura "X23" and she's still awesome showing the character at an older age and also connecting with a "Wolverine" not of her experience. Laura definitely softened with age, but still as tough
In mainstream Marvel continuity the Weapon program is an attempt to recreate Erskine's Super Soldier Serum. Laura Kinney (X-23) is Weapon XXIII, Captain America is (retroactively) considered Weapon 1, and Luke Cage is a result of the Weapon VI or VII experimental serum.
SPOILER FOR 60+yr old movie: Ambiguous end of Shane; he mounts his horse and rides off but it is not clear if he is alive or dies of eounds rrceived during final battle.
13:35 X-23 was originally created as a character for the animated TV show "X-Men Evolution" where she was created by Hydra using a partially degraded sample of Wolverine's DNA. The Y chromosome was degraded, so the geneticists decided to replace it with an X chromosome after 22 failed attempts using a replacement Y chromosome. She was the 23rd test to be successful, which is how she got her name/designation (Weapon X and the 23rd test).
This story is loosely based on Old Man Logan by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven. It’s set in an alternate reality where evil triumphed, thanks to supervillains uniting under the Red Skull and forming an army to defeat the heroes. The Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four fell during these attacks, leaving only a few survivors. The saddest part of this story is how the X-Men were defeated: by Wolverine himself. Logan was tricked by Mysterio into believing that the school was under attack by villains. In a desperate attempt to protect the mutant children, Logan cut them down, only to have the illusion break when a villain in his arms says, "Logan, stop! Please... Why are you doing this? You're supposed to be our friend..." It’s revealed to be the young Jubilee, who looks up to Logan as a mentor. This moment is extremely emotional, especially when Logan looks around to find the X-Men butchered around him. From that day forward, he promises never to unleash his claws again. America is then renamed "Amerika" and divided into several territories ruled by a lieutenant of the Red Skull. The comic takes place several decades after the fall of the heroes, following an older Logan on his California farm, where he’s raised a family with two young kids and a loving wife. But there’s a problem: Logan lives in the territory of Hulkland, overseen by the Hulk Gang, the inbred family of Bruce Banner, aka the Hulk, who ride around in the Fantastic Car of the Fantastic Four. They demand Logan pay to live on their land, and one day, he comes home to find his family murdered by the Hulk Gang. Logan then embarks on a mission across Amerika to deliver a package, accompanied by a now-blind Hawkeye. This journey takes him across the country, where he encounters various Marvel characters. Eventually, Logan kills the Red Skull, then returns to the West to exact his revenge on the Hulk Gang, killing all its members, including Bruce Banner, in a final showdown. Given that Wolverine made his first appearance in The Incredible Hulk #180 (1974), it’s a fitting end for the Hulk. In the end, Logan finds a baby Hulk and decides to raise him as one of his own, riding off into the sunset with Baby Hulk on his back. Old Man Logan reappeared during Secret Wars (2015) after the Multiverse was destroyed and then reconstructed by Doctor Doom as Battleworld. This planet was made up of elements from different universes, with each region representing a slice of a universe divided by massive walls. One notable example is New York from the Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610), where Old Man Logan visits and meets the Ultimate X-Men. There, he learns that their Wolverine died, but his son, Jimmy Hudson, survived and became the new Wolverine. After the Multiverse was reborn, surviving members from the old worlds came to Earth-616, the mainline Marvel Universe, with Old Man Logan being one of these survivors. I can't recall if he returned to his own reality afterwards but he spent some in the mainline universe. Miles Morales is also one of these other survivors originally from the Ultimate Universe.
It was an entertaining read, but I'm not a big fan of Banner's Incest Redneck Hulk family. XD As an alternate 'aged Logan' comic, I still prefer Wolverine: The End. I felt like that one had more of a connection to this movie because that one actually had Charles accompanying Logan throughout his journey.
What's overlooked in the Tanzigens plot of manipulating food/water to prevent new mutants being born is that's what's likely caused Logans regenerative mutation to slow down as it will have affected his own dna too. As for Dafne Keene, she stars in a TV show 'His Dark Materials' which is really great too. It's based on the Golden Compass series of books and definitely a series you'd both enjoy.
My favorite version of this movie is Logan Noir, in Black & White. The more violent it gets, the darker the movie gets. Literally. Also, about Charles' death. It's not just about Logan's connection to him. It's about YOUR connection to him. I was an X-Men comic book fan before the movies, and I've seen all of them. The connection to a character is what makes losing him have such an impact.
Canon is a joke in the comics. There are so many alternate futures/deaths for each character, you could probably make one up and it's been done before.
I was into the comics a bit as a kid. One of the very few panels which linger in my brain decades later is Jean Grey fighting a then-recently-created Archangel, who was basically whining to her about how (I think) Apocalypse had “killed” him (Angel) to create Archangel. And Jean responds: “please. I’ve been kidnapped, cloned, and killed more times than I can count.” :)
Sleep isn't only a physical regeneration, but mental as well. Sleep allows the brain to sort itself out. It's a theory that this is what dreams are, the brains way to process stuff. I don't know if Wolvie needs sleep in the comics, but he would in the real world, even with his healing.
Sleeping is how we filter our minds and our absorbation of reality. It's where the mind goes to process. If you don't sleep, you don't filter. If you don't filter, you die or go insane.
The fundamental answer is we still aren't completely sure why sleep is so necessary for a lot of reasons - we understand a lack of sleep appears to have detriments, and that maintaining certain sleep patterns appear to assuage these detriments. Beyond that, to answer why Wolverine sleeps, regardless of comics or not, is there's no reason for him not to as far as we aware.
Weapon I was technically Capt. America. II was a freaking modified Squirrel with Wolverine powers....Comics can be so stupid... III was a mutant with Mr. Fantastic like powers. IV resulted in Man-Thing. V was an attempt to combine soldiers with Symbiotes. VI resulted in Luke Cage. VII is a super soldier named Nuke, who relies on adrenaline pills. VIII doesn't have much info, just that it involved hypnotic drugs to make assassins. IX resulted in Typhoid Mary.
Weapon II was originally just a throwaway line that it was focused on animal experimentation. And then someone decided it would be fun/funny to make a squirrel with Wolverine powers, which is just so fucking stupid and also breaks the timeline of the entire Weapon Plus program, since the specific powers & augmentations of Wolverine came much later during and after the various permutations of Weapon X.
Adorable fun fact: Dafne Keen had so much fun filming the action sequences that she kept ruining takes by visibly grinning and giggling while doing her stunts 😂 lol whoops you found that one at the end
Similar to the young actress who played Newt in Aliens apparently she kept messing up takes of the scene where she fell down the air vent because she was having so much fun. However any movie where the child actors aren't having the time of their lives is not a film I want to watch. Similarly Kirsten Dunst's later scenes in interview with a vampire are creepy as hell only made bearable because she has often said Tom and Brad were extremely protective of her on set and she hated the scene where she kissed Brad because it was like kissing her brother.
The part that gets me is when you hear the radio say that charles effectively killed all the other x-men with his seizures... so sad to think he loved them so much and they were like his kids, and he was the one that killed them... but he shouted at logan asking what he did to them coz he doesnt remember
If you remember in The Wolverine Yukio tells Logan that she sees his death, and he'll die with his heart in his hands. Fan discourse is that this happens at the end of Logan when he dies with Laura's hand in his hand when he does finally does go. He died with his heart in his hand. Makes it sooooo much more heartbreaking.
It's more just a fun thing to think about, than any actual real thing. Like.. it'd be amazing that Yukio was able to perceive Logan and Laura's relationship, and intentionally decided to be incredibly cryptic about it when using it as a reason to stop Logan from going through with his plan. Also, she knows when someone dies, not just the circumstances, and this happens decades after. Laura's also not japanese, Logan was a loner when she met him, so it'd be weird for him to run into a non-japanese girl in japan that he knows and has a very personal relationship with, and is somehow involved in some way with all that stuff going on. Logan also dies, with his literal heart in his hand, on the mission that she tries to stop him from going on by saying he'll die with his heart in his hand.
I've had several family members with dementia, and I worked at a dementia ward. It is heartwrenching how well Patrick Stewart portrays dementia in this film. Particularly Alzheimers. I almost cried the first time I saw the film, just from recognizing my great grandparents in their final years from his portrayal.
In the end, it was believed that the prediction from the wolverine came true and that he died with his heart in his hand... his heart being his daughter, and as a father that hit the most for me.
In my opinion this is one of the best superhero movie ever, if your curious of what Laura said this is what she said in spanish, Why do you want me to talk to you if you're always insulting me, yelling at me, if you try to leave me behind? You want me to open my mouth, then Logan shuts her up. Lol
It actually pretty approachable movie for a newbie. Tricked my parents into watching "comicbook film" during pandemic, they treated Logan like any small tragic (sci-fi) story and loved it.
Weapon 0 (Project Rebirth)was John Steele Weapon I (Project Rebirth) was Captain America Weapon II (Project Brute Force) was a Squirrel Weapon III was Skinless Man Weapon IV (Project Sulfur) was Man-Thing Weapon V (Sym-Soldier / Venom) was Agent Venom and Dark Carnage Weapon VI was Luke Cage Weapon VII (Project Homegrown) was Nuke Weapon VIII was a black op experimenting on criminals and psychopaths Weapon IX was Typhoid Mary Weapon X was experimenting on mutants and was Wolverine, along with Sabretooth, X-23, X-24, whilst Deadpool was a weapon X reject created by Department K Weapon XI is unknown Weapon XII was Huntsman Weapon XIII was Fantomex Weapon XIV was the Stepford Cuckoos Weapon XV was Ultimaton Weapon XVI was Allgod Weapon Infinity was Project Deathlok. Lady Deathstrike wasn't officially created by the Weapon plus program, but was a spin off, Yuriko Oyama was the daughter of Lord Dark Wind who created the adamantium bonding process for weapon X, she used it on herself to create Lady Deathstrike.
Dafne Keen, who is British/Spanish, won three awards as Laura in Logan, was wonderful in His Dark Materials, and I can't wait to see her new movie, which is out now. i think you'll love it it too.
One of the greatest comic book movies of all time as well as the saddest. Remember this was Dafne’s first acting role. I cry when Logan says to Charles it wasn’t him, the burial scene and Logan dying and Laura crying Daddy
X23 is sort of what Harley Quinn is in DC. She was an original character introduced in an animated series, and then later added to the comics and other media. Her first appearance in "X-Men: Evolution" is a really powerful episode.
29:07 She plays the protagonist in the TV series His Dar Materials. She was 11 when filming Logan and 14 when she filmed His Dark Materials and you can already see a big improvement in her acting there! Go watch that series, it's brilliant and the novels it's based on are as well!
It's actually impossible to feel the same emotion fans felt at the end of this movie back then because at that time Logan was suppose to be the last movie with Jackman as Wolverine. So it was a bigger goodbye.
People tend to over exaggerate healing. Yeah, the comics have done some INSANE stuff with healing, but generally it's portrayed more "realistically". Like, healing doesn't mean you're immortal. Put someone at the bottom of a river, they still need air (they could last longer than a normal person, but they'd eventually run out). They still need food. Something needs to power that healing. Your body still needs to be able to function for the healing to work.
This movie was the one that got me back into the Xmen series, I got burnt out by first class skipped the other movies then I saw this Absolute Banger of an ending to the franchise. Cut to now I saw Deadpool and Wolverine another Absolute Banger in it's own right, can't wait for that reaction next week.
Wolverine ages like many "immortal/suedo immortal" characters. They age until their body reaches full maturity and then slows to a crawl. Wolverine's healing is slowed by multiple things now which also caused him to age and get sick.
One thing I wonder, given that he shields her: did they do all her bones, or just her claws? She's still growing, and I don't think you could do her skeleton until she's an adult.
@@Carnivius_Prime Also, she'd be too heavy to be able to jump around as she does, if she was totally adamantium'd up. She doesn't have the muscles yet!
In the comics Laura is 'X23' not because she is 'Weapon XXIII' the way Wolverine is 'Weapon X' but because she was the 23rd attempt to clone Wolverine (all the others having died before birth). It turns out the trick was to create a female clone, rather than a male one. There was no X24. Laura made sure of that when SHE killed everyone involved creating her. Subsequently another group has cloned HER and one of these clones (who has become something of a little sister to Laura) is named 'Gabrielle' (the name of the nurse in the 'Logan' movie.) Charles Xavier has died, at least once, in the comics. Of course, as a major comic book character, he doesn't stay dead so there isn't any one 'canon death' for him. Interestingly during one time Xavier was dead, Wolverine took up being Head Master of a school for mutants (which he named after Jean Grey, because of course he did).
In the Old Man Logan comic, it's a post apocalyptic world where Wolverine became a pacifist and hadn't popped his claws in decades because he was the one responsible for the death of the X-Men. He was tricked by the Spider-Man villain Mysterio into thinking the X Mansion was attacked by supervillains. They took a spin on it for this movie by making it Charles who was responsible.
Wolverine only started aging when the adamantium was grafted on to his bones. His healing factor would have kept him young & spry indefinitely up until that point. After the adamantium was grafted to his skeleton his healing factor was kept busy fighting the adamantium poisoning. That is why he started to age & why as he aged his healing factor became less effective.
8:28 to clarify all 3 Blade movies were rated R so was the 1989 Punisher played by Dolph Lundgren, the 04 Thomas Jane Punisher , and the Ray Stevenson 08 Punisher: War Zone.
The original Weapon #1 is Captain America. After he’s made it opens up the can of worms that is superhero/meta humans and everyone everywhere tries to replicate the formula and what happened. Hulk,Wolverine,Deadpool,Lady Deathstrike,Luke Cage,are just some of the people created all trying to remake the lightning in the bottle that was Captain America. There was a comic arc a few years back that was Captain America, Wolverine and Deadpool teaming up to stop and kill a group trying to start up the weapon X program again as they all know the cost and damage those experiments have caused and don’t want other to go through what they did.
30:00 Laura was the 23rd attempt at recreating the Weapon X. Weapon 1 was retroactively numbered as Captain America because the Weapon Plus Program was the attempt to create super soldiers. Other Weapon Plus subjects are differing in approaches and goals, such as the Weapon VIII program being a program to create sleeper agents using drugs and hypnosis.
Its also the metal. The metal is constantly taking the attention of his healing factor. Then you add in food and drink suppressing the mutant gene. It's just straight up burning out his healing factor, allowing for the adamantium to further poison him.
@@Eidlonesit does that by suppressing the mutant gene which makes their abilities weaker. Wolverine would generally be fine, but he has to consume a lot of foods for his metabolism that are rich in the chemicals. It also doesn't help that he feels like he has no reason to live and consumes alcohol constantly which contains the same suppressants. This weakens his healing which in turn allows the adamantium to poison his body without resistance. Essentially wolverine is slowly killing himself due to depression. No doubt after he was on the boat with Charles, Charles would eventually die and Logan was going to use that adamantium bullet afterwards.
@@ukyba So you're saying.. it's the metal in his bones that is poisoning him. If you cover something in gas, and light it on fire, you don't say it's the gas that's burning him.
@@Eidlones Yes. The adamantium is killing him. But without the suppressants, it wouldn't have for a very long time. The mutant suppressant is constantly ravaging his body and nullifying his healing. Allowing the poison to thrive. One causes the other, so one is not solely responsible. Your example is correct that you wouldn't say the gas burned him, but you wouldn't say it was just the fire that caused their death. In a report you would say they were covered in gas and set ablaze. The gas allowed the fire to persist rather than extinguish when they tried to put it out.
It doesn’t mean that it’s gonna happen to Laura with the metal that’s in her body. She has less of it also. They didn’t do her bones because she still growing. They put some compound in the food and sidewalks from what I understand that lessons the mutants power, Logan’s power is regeneration so he doesn’t regenerate anymore like he used to so antamantium makes him sick. Laura doesn’t have that issue. She’s amune, all the genetically constructed kids are.
This movie is basically the X-Men version of "Children of Men". A character is convinced with money to accompany other people and in the end sacrifices himself for them.
So what's missed in a lot of these reactions during the first watch is that they introduced the mutant cure into the food supply by mixing it into corn syrup and other preservatives. It's not necessarily the adamantium that's killing him but everything he eats and drinks. Also the only adamantium in Laura is her claws so she's still able to grow as she ages and makes her lighter and more deadly. As long as she stays away from processed foods she should be fine.
In The Wolverine, a psychic said Wolverine would die with his heart in his hand. In this movie he dies with his daughter holding him. I think Deadpool is Weapon XI.
A lot of the little emotional beats in this hit me super hard. Laura holding Charles's hand after Charles's seizure, Charles saying "I'm so sorry", Logan's "that wasn't me" as he hugs Charles. Lot of really good characterization in this that's crystal clear in moments that don't need overexplaining.
you should have seen the Noir version of the movie for the rewatch. It's amazing in Black and White, the lighting shows so much more detail. everyone who likes this movie should see this version ASAP
Now that Simone has seen Logan properly, you should revisit the Yukio death prophecy having a double meaning with the ending in Logan also satisfying its conditions.
It is however mentioned in Free Enterprise" which also makes reference to the X-Men! Yeah, no one ever watches that one, but still, wanted to mention it.
The fact that Logan's death was foretold back in 2013 in "The Wolverine" movie. Yukio tells him "I saw you die. You're laying on your back, there's blood everywhere and you're holding your heart in your hand". And here, he's laying on his back, blood everywhere and Holding X-23 (His heart).
At this point, Logan has recovered _all_ of his memories, apparently including both timelines (at least, the two we've seen). In other media (comics, audio dramas, etc) he goes through _multiple_ bouts of amnesia, sometimes self-inflicted, but the memories always eventually return. At this point in his story, he's avoided losing his memories for so long that they've all returned, just in time for him to die. Speaking of audio dramas, Marvel's Wastelanders was a great series of six podcast series (a series of series? hmm) also loosely based on Old Man Logan. Doctor Doom, Red Skull, and Baron Zemo team up to defeat almost all the superheroes and take over the planet. The first five are kinda individual story lines starting with Star-Lord, then Hawkeye, Black Widow (starring Susan Sarandon!), Wolverine (starring Robert Patrick, aka T-1000), and Doctor Doom, the last is a team-up of those five (kinda like an Elderly Avengers).
The dinner scene is one of my favorite moments in an X-Men related film. Patrick Stewart said one of the main reasons he decided to come back for this movie was because of that scene and the scene afterward in the bedoom, since it would be the first time he and Hugh Jackman got a scene where they talked in a vulnerable, human way as family, as opposed to a dramatic scene where plot exposition was the point. It's a shame that the movies often don't have room and space to really breathe and give us the non-action stuff we love from the comics, like the X-Men playing baseball or having dinner or Spider-Man and the Human Torch grabbing coffee at the statue of liberty and venting to each other or Clark Kent meeting up with Diana and Bruce for brunch and sharing their lives with each other.
Before you see "Deadpool & Wolverine", you need to watch some more for Simone: "Blade Trinity" (2004) "Daredevil" (2003) "Elektra" (2005) "Fantastic 4" (2005) "Punisher War Zone" (2008)
Worth mentioning that Dafne Keen even then had an English accent normally. Amazing actor even at that time, played one of the better characters in The Acolyte, does most of her own stunts also and just incredible even in her latest roles.
The evil scientist guy dropped one line about the chemical he invented being put in all the food. That suppresses their powers, including his regeneration. Without his regeneration, he can't heal the metal on his bones. That adamantium is just like us having certain metal inside us that will poison and kill us. His healing factor is so high that he constantly compensates for it. If you recall in the Wolverine Origins, Sabertooth wants to have the metal in him but Striker tells him he is not compatible, meaning his healing factor isn't strong enough. Wolverine's healing factor is fully shown in the comics when Magneto pulls the metal out of him, which allows Wolverine to use his full abilities, he ends up turning nearly feral and heals super fast.
what you REALLY need for DEADPOOL 3 is Wandavision (which you already spoiled yourself with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness with) and DEFINITLY Loki Season 1 & 2.
The funny thing about sleeping is that we still do not entirely know why creatures need to sleep. We know the things that the body does during sleep (not just healing) but haven't figured out why it can't do these things when awake. So, yes, Logan still needs to sleep.
You guys should definitely watch The Hateful Eight! It's another Tarantino movie, but it has a slower pacing compared to the other movies I've seen from Tarantino. It's my personal favorite out of all of his I've seen so far!
In the second Wolverine movie (the one from Japan) Yukio has the ability to see people's death and she told hiim how he will die: "On his back, there's blood everywhere, holding his heart in his hand"
I had a full on emotional breakdown in the theater from this movie. Wolvie was my hero growing up. But so was my dad, and he died less than a year before this movie came out. Anyone wanna know what happens when you try to avoid processing grief? It shows up when you least expect it. That’s what.
When Laura took the cross and turned it to the X it's even sadder, became we had lost Professor X. Then Logan in such a violent way. I still cry at the end every time, and I've lost count how many times I've seen this movie. When she's say Daddy, I just lose it.
Daddy / Daughter Slaughter Day is just so heart-warming to witness. ---- Logan said, "Oh, so THAT'S what it feels like." Some fans like to speculate a metaphor from "The Wolverine". Logan was told by Yukio he would die with his heart in his hand. In "Logan" he died looking at Laura - concerned for her future - accepting her as his daughter - holding her hand. *_IMPORTANT NOTES_* It was said briefly so it often gets missed. This is a? the? timeline when the Sentinel project was stopped. Instead of Sentinels to exterminate mutants, a new government project used modified corn syrup, food & drink additives, etc. - suppressing the mutant genes. This suppression worked on different mutants in different ways. The most susceptible were mutant children before their mutation took hold. That is why new generations of mutants were no longer manifesting. For Logan - the corn syrup suppression weakened him significantly where the adamantium poisoning was overriding his healing factor. He began to age as well. For Charles Xavier - it brought on dementia and he accidently slew the rest of the X-Men. Laura / X-23 never had full body adamantium surgery so her skeleton could grow as she did - Only the claws were surgically done. Plus - she and the other mutant children 'experiments' were not given any modified processed food. She should be fine as long as she avoids processed foods - assuming that suppression project is still active.
Laura / X-23 is not part of the government-backed Weapon Plus Programme, so her number doesn't relate to Weapon X. She's part of a separate, private project. All of her series were attempts to clone Wolverine but the initial 22 failed. She was the first viable clone but the 23rd experiment in total so she had the serial number X-23. [She was actually created for the animated series X-Men: Evolution but was popular enough to be ported over to the comics and, with this, to live-action. Each version has a slightly different origin story but the basics are mostly the same.]
Hugh Jackman, being such a nice guy, felt bad about some of the things he had to say to Daphne/Laura in the scene where he discovers she can talk, and apologised to her mother. who replied, "That's okay, she just called you a c__t three times in Spanish.''
😆😆😆 That's amazing and hilarious!
Yeah but he's Australian, being called a cunt is a term of endearment to them, lol.
Spanish is a really beautiful language for profanity. 😂
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She has been the best thing in everything I have seen her in. Still bums me out they offed her in Acolyte, she was awesome in very few scenes.
The adamantium wasn't the only thing hurting Logan, for years he had also been consuming food and water that had something that suppressed the mutant x gene. This is also a part of why there haven't been any new mutants.
It may also have contributed to Charles's illness and if you listen closely to Charles when he's talking to weapon 24 thinking it's Logan he remembers what happened to the X men. He had a seizure and killed them all. That's why Logan refused to tell Charles what happened to protect him from the guilt and pain. The doctor essentially exterminated the X men so when he revealed that during his villain monologue Logan shooting him in the throat is a perfectly understandable response.
it's not "a part of why", it's explicitly stated to be the exact reason there are no more mutants being born
Wait, what? It's the adamantium that is poisoning Logan - his healing factor is the only reason he was able to survive the process of it being implanted into him. There is no "food or water" that he's eaten over the year that is suppressing his mutant gene - he's just getting old.
Yea I believe that in this storyline the government intentionally laced the water supply to prevent mutants from happening.
@@LudusAurea Yes, that is what Rictor tells Logan about why there have been no new mutants. But there's nothing saying this is why Logan's mutant powers are diminishing. He's just getting older. And his healing factor would counteract this.
In the comics the Old Man Logan story (which this is based on) has Logan as an old man whose mutant powers have gotten weaker over the years because he's getting older.
"Take your daughter to work day." Well played, George....well played. 😂😂
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i was gonna say "daddy/daughter bonding exercise"
As the badguy doc mentioned near the end, the reason Logan was actually dying was because they were lacing food and drinks with mutation suppressing agents. His regeneration was being suppressed over time. Tho yes adamantium was always poisoning him his regeneration didn't have any problems with it. That's also why there were no new mutants born.
Laura/X-23s adamantium poisoning wouldn't also be as severe since it only covers her claws.
11:02 Fun Fact: in the comics wolverine and mystique ended up getting busy and mystique gave birth to wolverine's son his name is raze.
Logan had many kids. Most of them were gathered by his eldest son Dakken and given to people who hated Wolverine, trained to kill and sent after him so he would hill them and THEN they let him know he was their father and the organization members committed suicide so he could not exact revenge upon them for it. He himself buried the kids next to their mothers. And recently the comics act like Dakken is a good guy, with Laura even being on good terms with him because current day writers have no idea what morality and continuity means.
Girl's got so many baby daddies she turned into one.
Lolumad cuz that's in an alternate world. Not real. Sorry. But fun fact wolverine does not die. After his death when he was covered in molten adamantine. He was resurrected with new and better powers. Sorry you're is just a spin off where as mine is actual canon. Cry some more princess
@@Matej_SojkaI mean, the comics haven't always been very consistent, even before modern writers
Marvel was never as good with hat as Tolkien or pre-disney Star Wars EU
I don't think I knew who Daken's mother was, thanks
The "Oh. So this is what it feels like." 💀
Always gets me.
I have seen this movie probably 10 times, and every time, that bit gets me too. The only other scene I can think of that gets me every time is Boromir's death in Fellowship, at minimum, choked up.
Every. Damn. Time.
Jackman, Keen and Stewart give otherworldly good performances in this film. If there wasn't as much of a stigma at the time, and now, about honoring these types of films, all three would have gotten nominations and the film would have gotten a Best Picture nomination at the Oscar's that year.
Dafne Keen, the actress for Laura/X-23, is as you guys commented, fantastic. Especially for being only 11 or 12 at the time. She had since starred in the series His Dark Materials, based on the book series, which also stars James McAvoy and i really enjoyed. She was also most recently in the Star Wars series The Acolyte. She's definitely a superstar in the making.
His Dark Materials, good show IMO.
There is no way Dafne Keen can't come back, hopefully she has a place in Disney in the future. She is just an extremely talented actor and is putting together a really decent resume and sky's the limit for her
Technically she most recently starred in a "certain" movie, wink wink
I just realized her mom is an actress and co-starred in "The Mallorca Files" as the police chief.
Biggest reason DEADPOOL AND WOLVERINE was such a big watch for me this year was largely because they brought Keen back as Laura "X23" and she's still awesome showing the character at an older age and also connecting with a "Wolverine" not of her experience. Laura definitely softened with age, but still as tough
"Take your daughter to work day." That made me laugh!
In mainstream Marvel continuity the Weapon program is an attempt to recreate Erskine's Super Soldier Serum. Laura Kinney (X-23) is Weapon XXIII, Captain America is (retroactively) considered Weapon 1, and Luke Cage is a result of the Weapon VI or VII experimental serum.
The movie they are watching in the motel is a great classic "Shane"
Shane! Come home Momma needs you! Shane! Shane!
They should definitely watch Shane on the channel!
Which is mirrored/echoed throughout this movie.
SPOILER FOR 60+yr old movie: Ambiguous end of Shane; he mounts his horse and rides off but it is not clear if he is alive or dies of eounds rrceived during final battle.
One of the best Westerns ever and very influential, I hope they react to it one of these days.
Damn, George was on fire this episode. “Take your daughter to work day” and the 90’s X-Men theme 😂😂😂
"Bad sh*t happens to people I care about" "Then I'll be fine" Ouch!
13:35 X-23 was originally created as a character for the animated TV show "X-Men Evolution" where she was created by Hydra using a partially degraded sample of Wolverine's DNA. The Y chromosome was degraded, so the geneticists decided to replace it with an X chromosome after 22 failed attempts using a replacement Y chromosome. She was the 23rd test to be successful, which is how she got her name/designation (Weapon X and the 23rd test).
This story is loosely based on Old Man Logan by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven. It’s set in an alternate reality where evil triumphed, thanks to supervillains uniting under the Red Skull and forming an army to defeat the heroes. The Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four fell during these attacks, leaving only a few survivors.
The saddest part of this story is how the X-Men were defeated: by Wolverine himself. Logan was tricked by Mysterio into believing that the school was under attack by villains. In a desperate attempt to protect the mutant children, Logan cut them down, only to have the illusion break when a villain in his arms says, "Logan, stop! Please... Why are you doing this? You're supposed to be our friend..." It’s revealed to be the young Jubilee, who looks up to Logan as a mentor. This moment is extremely emotional, especially when Logan looks around to find the X-Men butchered around him. From that day forward, he promises never to unleash his claws again.
America is then renamed "Amerika" and divided into several territories ruled by a lieutenant of the Red Skull. The comic takes place several decades after the fall of the heroes, following an older Logan on his California farm, where he’s raised a family with two young kids and a loving wife. But there’s a problem: Logan lives in the territory of Hulkland, overseen by the Hulk Gang, the inbred family of Bruce Banner, aka the Hulk, who ride around in the Fantastic Car of the Fantastic Four. They demand Logan pay to live on their land, and one day, he comes home to find his family murdered by the Hulk Gang.
Logan then embarks on a mission across Amerika to deliver a package, accompanied by a now-blind Hawkeye. This journey takes him across the country, where he encounters various Marvel characters. Eventually, Logan kills the Red Skull, then returns to the West to exact his revenge on the Hulk Gang, killing all its members, including Bruce Banner, in a final showdown. Given that Wolverine made his first appearance in The Incredible Hulk #180 (1974), it’s a fitting end for the Hulk. In the end, Logan finds a baby Hulk and decides to raise him as one of his own, riding off into the sunset with Baby Hulk on his back.
Old Man Logan reappeared during Secret Wars (2015) after the Multiverse was destroyed and then reconstructed by Doctor Doom as Battleworld. This planet was made up of elements from different universes, with each region representing a slice of a universe divided by massive walls. One notable example is New York from the Ultimate Universe (Earth-1610), where Old Man Logan visits and meets the Ultimate X-Men. There, he learns that their Wolverine died, but his son, Jimmy Hudson, survived and became the new Wolverine.
After the Multiverse was reborn, surviving members from the old worlds came to Earth-616, the mainline Marvel Universe, with Old Man Logan being one of these survivors. I can't recall if he returned to his own reality afterwards but he spent some in the mainline universe. Miles Morales is also one of these other survivors originally from the Ultimate Universe.
It was an entertaining read, but I'm not a big fan of Banner's Incest Redneck Hulk family. XD
As an alternate 'aged Logan' comic, I still prefer Wolverine: The End. I felt like that one had more of a connection to this movie because that one actually had Charles accompanying Logan throughout his journey.
It's an interesting read, but you should put an spoiler alert or something for people who want to read those comics. Peace, bro.
It's inspired from Old Man Logan and it's not based on
Magneto teaming up with the Red Skull and killing his own kids was the weirdest and most messed up moment in that storyline for me.
@@jimsenbonzakura9402 If they didn't stop after the first paragraph that is kind of on them, lol.
What's overlooked in the Tanzigens plot of manipulating food/water to prevent new mutants being born is that's what's likely caused Logans regenerative mutation to slow down as it will have affected his own dna too.
As for Dafne Keene, she stars in a TV show 'His Dark Materials' which is really great too. It's based on the Golden Compass series of books and definitely a series you'd both enjoy.
The book series is also just called 'His Dark Materials' the golden compass was just the name of the first one.
The modified food probably also caused Charles's degenerative brain disease.
@@30noir ah cheers. I wasn't sure which was which. I just remmeber the awful golden compass film from years ago 😆
@@user-yf3oz3rn5b that's what I wondered too.
"Comic Books are just for children and are just mindless fun..."
*Everyone with a modicum of a soul during half of this movie crying*
I think its precisely because this WASN'T a comic book movie like the others.
My favorite version of this movie is Logan Noir, in Black & White. The more violent it gets, the darker the movie gets. Literally. Also, about Charles' death. It's not just about Logan's connection to him. It's about YOUR connection to him. I was an X-Men comic book fan before the movies, and I've seen all of them. The connection to a character is what makes losing him have such an impact.
Canon is a joke in the comics. There are so many alternate futures/deaths for each character, you could probably make one up and it's been done before.
I was into the comics a bit as a kid. One of the very few panels which linger in my brain decades later is Jean Grey fighting a then-recently-created Archangel, who was basically whining to her about how (I think) Apocalypse had “killed” him (Angel) to create Archangel. And Jean responds: “please. I’ve been kidnapped, cloned, and killed more times than I can count.” :)
Sleep isn't only a physical regeneration, but mental as well. Sleep allows the brain to sort itself out. It's a theory that this is what dreams are, the brains way to process stuff. I don't know if Wolvie needs sleep in the comics, but he would in the real world, even with his healing.
Not if the healing powers repairs the damage caused lack of sleep. He could still sleep, but not necessarily suffer ill effects from not sleeping.
@@Dularr That's very likely considering his powers can heal a bullet to the brain.
Alot of mental and emotional processing is done during sleep. Its one reason sleep deprivation is so bad 😢
Sleeping is how we filter our minds and our absorbation of reality. It's where the mind goes to process. If you don't sleep, you don't filter. If you don't filter, you die or go insane.
The fundamental answer is we still aren't completely sure why sleep is so necessary for a lot of reasons - we understand a lack of sleep appears to have detriments, and that maintaining certain sleep patterns appear to assuage these detriments. Beyond that, to answer why Wolverine sleeps, regardless of comics or not, is there's no reason for him not to as far as we aware.
Weapon I was technically Capt. America.
II was a freaking modified Squirrel with Wolverine powers....Comics can be so stupid...
III was a mutant with Mr. Fantastic like powers.
IV resulted in Man-Thing.
V was an attempt to combine soldiers with Symbiotes.
VI resulted in Luke Cage.
VII is a super soldier named Nuke, who relies on adrenaline pills.
VIII doesn't have much info, just that it involved hypnotic drugs to make assassins.
IX resulted in Typhoid Mary.
Weapon II was originally just a throwaway line that it was focused on animal experimentation. And then someone decided it would be fun/funny to make a squirrel with Wolverine powers, which is just so fucking stupid and also breaks the timeline of the entire Weapon Plus program, since the specific powers & augmentations of Wolverine came much later during and after the various permutations of Weapon X.
VII (Nuke) was in the Jessica Jones series, randomly.
Adorable fun fact: Dafne Keen had so much fun filming the action sequences that she kept ruining takes by visibly grinning and giggling while doing her stunts 😂
lol whoops you found that one at the end
Similar to the young actress who played Newt in Aliens apparently she kept messing up takes of the scene where she fell down the air vent because she was having so much fun. However any movie where the child actors aren't having the time of their lives is not a film I want to watch. Similarly Kirsten Dunst's later scenes in interview with a vampire are creepy as hell only made bearable because she has often said Tom and Brad were extremely protective of her on set and she hated the scene where she kissed Brad because it was like kissing her brother.
The part that gets me is when you hear the radio say that charles effectively killed all the other x-men with his seizures... so sad to think he loved them so much and they were like his kids, and he was the one that killed them... but he shouted at logan asking what he did to them coz he doesnt remember
If you remember in The Wolverine Yukio tells Logan that she sees his death, and he'll die with his heart in his hands. Fan discourse is that this happens at the end of Logan when he dies with Laura's hand in his hand when he does finally does go. He died with his heart in his hand. Makes it sooooo much more heartbreaking.
It's more just a fun thing to think about, than any actual real thing.
Like.. it'd be amazing that Yukio was able to perceive Logan and Laura's relationship, and intentionally decided to be incredibly cryptic about it when using it as a reason to stop Logan from going through with his plan. Also, she knows when someone dies, not just the circumstances, and this happens decades after. Laura's also not japanese, Logan was a loner when she met him, so it'd be weird for him to run into a non-japanese girl in japan that he knows and has a very personal relationship with, and is somehow involved in some way with all that stuff going on.
Logan also dies, with his literal heart in his hand, on the mission that she tries to stop him from going on by saying he'll die with his heart in his hand.
Pretty sure James Mangold said this as well
I've had several family members with dementia, and I worked at a dementia ward. It is heartwrenching how well Patrick Stewart portrays dementia in this film. Particularly Alzheimers. I almost cried the first time I saw the film, just from recognizing my great grandparents in their final years from his portrayal.
The actor who played the doctor, Richard E. Grant also played Classic Loki in the TV series.
Thank you! I was wondering how in the world I recognized him!
"GLORIOUS PURPOSE!!!" 🥲
In the end, it was believed that the prediction from the wolverine came true and that he died with his heart in his hand... his heart being his daughter, and as a father that hit the most for me.
I understand that they needed to give an end to both cinematic Logan and Charles Xavier, but it breaks my heart.
I wish they had let them have an end.
That's the point
In my opinion this is one of the best superhero movie ever, if your curious of what Laura said this is what she said in spanish, Why do you want me to talk to you if you're always insulting me, yelling at me, if you try to leave me behind? You want me to open my mouth, then Logan shuts her up. Lol
It actually pretty approachable movie for a newbie. Tricked my parents into watching "comicbook film" during pandemic, they treated Logan like any small tragic (sci-fi) story and loved it.
Laura calling Logan “daddy” gets me every time.
Weapon 0 (Project Rebirth)was John Steele
Weapon I (Project Rebirth) was Captain America
Weapon II (Project Brute Force) was a Squirrel
Weapon III was Skinless Man
Weapon IV (Project Sulfur) was Man-Thing
Weapon V (Sym-Soldier / Venom) was Agent Venom and Dark Carnage
Weapon VI was Luke Cage
Weapon VII (Project Homegrown) was Nuke
Weapon VIII was a black op experimenting on criminals and psychopaths
Weapon IX was Typhoid Mary
Weapon X was experimenting on mutants and was Wolverine, along with Sabretooth, X-23, X-24, whilst Deadpool was a weapon X reject created by Department K
Weapon XI is unknown
Weapon XII was Huntsman
Weapon XIII was Fantomex
Weapon XIV was the Stepford Cuckoos
Weapon XV was Ultimaton
Weapon XVI was Allgod
Weapon Infinity was Project Deathlok.
Lady Deathstrike wasn't officially created by the Weapon plus program, but was a spin off, Yuriko Oyama was the daughter of Lord Dark Wind who created the adamantium bonding process for weapon X, she used it on herself to create Lady Deathstrike.
Dafne Keen, who is British/Spanish, won three awards as Laura in Logan, was wonderful in His Dark Materials, and I can't wait to see her new movie, which is out now. i think you'll love it it too.
One of the greatest comic book movies of all time as well as the saddest. Remember this was Dafne’s first acting role. I cry when Logan says to Charles it wasn’t him, the burial scene and Logan dying and Laura crying Daddy
X23 is sort of what Harley Quinn is in DC. She was an original character introduced in an animated series, and then later added to the comics and other media. Her first appearance in "X-Men: Evolution" is a really powerful episode.
29:07 She plays the protagonist in the TV series His Dar Materials. She was 11 when filming Logan and 14 when she filmed His Dark Materials and you can already see a big improvement in her acting there!
Go watch that series, it's brilliant and the novels it's based on are as well!
It's actually impossible to feel the same emotion fans felt at the end of this movie back then because at that time Logan was suppose to be the last movie with Jackman as Wolverine. So it was a bigger goodbye.
Yeah everyone assumed that was the permanent end of Hugh Jackmans depiction of the character.
15:25 Shane (1953) - "The Greatest story of the West ever filmed."
People tend to over exaggerate healing. Yeah, the comics have done some INSANE stuff with healing, but generally it's portrayed more "realistically".
Like, healing doesn't mean you're immortal. Put someone at the bottom of a river, they still need air (they could last longer than a normal person, but they'd eventually run out). They still need food. Something needs to power that healing. Your body still needs to be able to function for the healing to work.
This movie was the one that got me back into the Xmen series, I got burnt out by first class skipped the other movies then I saw this Absolute Banger of an ending to the franchise.
Cut to now I saw Deadpool and Wolverine another Absolute Banger in it's own right, can't wait for that reaction next week.
Wolverine ages like many "immortal/suedo immortal" characters. They age until their body reaches full maturity and then slows to a crawl. Wolverine's healing is slowed by multiple things now which also caused him to age and get sick.
One thing I wonder, given that he shields her: did they do all her bones, or just her claws? She's still growing, and I don't think you could do her skeleton until she's an adult.
In the comics, it's just her claws.
that is true. I would imagine just the claws or else she couldn't grow, yeah
@@Carnivius_Prime Also, she'd be too heavy to be able to jump around as she does, if she was totally adamantium'd up. She doesn't have the muscles yet!
*"They FINALLY allowed comic books to be R-Rated. I mean, I know Deadpool came out before this..."*
Blade shoots a deadly stare at George.
@@bleigh3369 there was the Dolph Lundgren Punisher (1989), long before Blade. Even though it is a fairly terrible movie 😂
Logan's death scene was referenced in Deadpool 2 when Deadpool is trying to kill himself (he plays the music box with Logan impaled on a tree branch).
This was the first movie i ever saw where a fence did what it was designed to do ...stop a car
In the comics Laura is 'X23' not because she is 'Weapon XXIII' the way Wolverine is 'Weapon X' but because she was the 23rd attempt to clone Wolverine (all the others having died before birth). It turns out the trick was to create a female clone, rather than a male one. There was no X24. Laura made sure of that when SHE killed everyone involved creating her.
Subsequently another group has cloned HER and one of these clones (who has become something of a little sister to Laura) is named 'Gabrielle' (the name of the nurse in the 'Logan' movie.)
Charles Xavier has died, at least once, in the comics. Of course, as a major comic book character, he doesn't stay dead so there isn't any one 'canon death' for him. Interestingly during one time Xavier was dead, Wolverine took up being Head Master of a school for mutants (which he named after Jean Grey, because of course he did).
In the Old Man Logan comic, it's a post apocalyptic world where Wolverine became a pacifist and hadn't popped his claws in decades because he was the one responsible for the death of the X-Men. He was tricked by the Spider-Man villain Mysterio into thinking the X Mansion was attacked by supervillains. They took a spin on it for this movie by making it Charles who was responsible.
A stainless metal would take thousands of years to degrade, not less than 200
Wolverine only started aging when the adamantium was grafted on to his bones. His healing factor would have kept him young & spry indefinitely up until that point. After the adamantium was grafted to his skeleton his healing factor was kept busy fighting the adamantium poisoning. That is why he started to age & why as he aged his healing factor became less effective.
8:28 to clarify all 3 Blade movies were rated R so was the 1989 Punisher played by Dolph Lundgren, the 04 Thomas Jane Punisher , and the Ray Stevenson 08 Punisher: War Zone.
The original Weapon #1 is Captain America. After he’s made it opens up the can of worms that is superhero/meta humans and everyone everywhere tries to replicate the formula and what happened. Hulk,Wolverine,Deadpool,Lady Deathstrike,Luke Cage,are just some of the people created all trying to remake the lightning in the bottle that was Captain America. There was a comic arc a few years back that was Captain America, Wolverine and Deadpool teaming up to stop and kill a group trying to start up the weapon X program again as they all know the cost and damage those experiments have caused and don’t want other to go through what they did.
30:00 Laura was the 23rd attempt at recreating the Weapon X. Weapon 1 was retroactively numbered as Captain America because the Weapon Plus Program was the attempt to create super soldiers. Other Weapon Plus subjects are differing in approaches and goals, such as the Weapon VIII program being a program to create sleeper agents using drugs and hypnosis.
It isn't the metal poisoning this Logan, the head bad guy explains they've been putting something in the corn to poison ALL mutants.
Its also the metal. The metal is constantly taking the attention of his healing factor. Then you add in food and drink suppressing the mutant gene. It's just straight up burning out his healing factor, allowing for the adamantium to further poison him.
Caliban and Xavier are just fine. What's in the corn is stopping new mutants from emerging.
@@Eidlonesit does that by suppressing the mutant gene which makes their abilities weaker. Wolverine would generally be fine, but he has to consume a lot of foods for his metabolism that are rich in the chemicals. It also doesn't help that he feels like he has no reason to live and consumes alcohol constantly which contains the same suppressants. This weakens his healing which in turn allows the adamantium to poison his body without resistance. Essentially wolverine is slowly killing himself due to depression. No doubt after he was on the boat with Charles, Charles would eventually die and Logan was going to use that adamantium bullet afterwards.
@@ukyba So you're saying.. it's the metal in his bones that is poisoning him. If you cover something in gas, and light it on fire, you don't say it's the gas that's burning him.
@@Eidlones
Yes. The adamantium is killing him. But without the suppressants, it wouldn't have for a very long time. The mutant suppressant is constantly ravaging his body and nullifying his healing. Allowing the poison to thrive. One causes the other, so one is not solely responsible. Your example is correct that you wouldn't say the gas burned him, but you wouldn't say it was just the fire that caused their death. In a report you would say they were covered in gas and set ablaze. The gas allowed the fire to persist rather than extinguish when they tried to put it out.
You forgot to say the foreshadowing of him dying with his heart in his hand that was in The Wolverine.
It doesn’t mean that it’s gonna happen to Laura with the metal that’s in her body. She has less of it also. They didn’t do her bones because she still growing. They put some compound in the food and sidewalks from what I understand that lessons the mutants power, Logan’s power is regeneration so he doesn’t regenerate anymore like he used to so antamantium makes him sick. Laura doesn’t have that issue. She’s amune, all the genetically constructed kids are.
"What movie is that"?
That movie was "Shane" that came out in 1953. It's widely considered one of the classic Westerns in
movie history.
This movie is basically the X-Men version of "Children of Men". A character is convinced with money to accompany other people and in the end sacrifices himself for them.
So true. Nothing is new under the sun. But the way it's done make is so fresh.
The nurse majored in nursing and minored in documentary filmmaking
Holy sh*t, this movie kills me. It reminds me so much of my father's decline after he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
Dafne Keen as X-23 just made this film for me. So spot on perfect.
So what's missed in a lot of these reactions during the first watch is that they introduced the mutant cure into the food supply by mixing it into corn syrup and other preservatives. It's not necessarily the adamantium that's killing him but everything he eats and drinks. Also the only adamantium in Laura is her claws so she's still able to grow as she ages and makes her lighter and more deadly. As long as she stays away from processed foods she should be fine.
In The Wolverine, a psychic said Wolverine would die with his heart in his hand. In this movie he dies with his daughter holding him.
I think Deadpool is Weapon XI.
A lot of the little emotional beats in this hit me super hard. Laura holding Charles's hand after Charles's seizure, Charles saying "I'm so sorry", Logan's "that wasn't me" as he hugs Charles. Lot of really good characterization in this that's crystal clear in moments that don't need overexplaining.
35:53 That would have been messed up. But that's f*cking hilarious.
You heard it here first ,the reason we sleep is so we can regenerate ...😂
you should have seen the Noir version of the movie for the rewatch. It's amazing in Black and White, the lighting shows so much more detail. everyone who likes this movie should see this version ASAP
Now that Simone has seen Logan properly, you should revisit the Yukio death prophecy having a double meaning with the ending in Logan also satisfying its conditions.
Fun Fact! Michael York played Logan 5 in Logan's Run. He is not in this movie and Logan's Run is never mentioned at all.
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Good old Basil exposition in the Mike Myers Austin Powers movie - Great movie where people are killed once they turn 30 - brilliant Sci-fi
It is however mentioned in Free Enterprise" which also makes reference to the X-Men!
Yeah, no one ever watches that one, but still, wanted to mention it.
The Western movie is Shane 1953
The name of that movie playing on the television is "Shane". What I remember from Wolverine: Origins was that Dead Pool was X-11.
"Bad shit happens to people I care about" always tears me apart. That's the curse of immortality
The fact that Logan's death was foretold back in 2013 in "The Wolverine" movie. Yukio tells him "I saw you die. You're laying on your back, there's blood everywhere and you're holding your heart in your hand". And here, he's laying on his back, blood everywhere and Holding X-23 (His heart).
Be much more impressive if she'd said 'there was a girl there' tbh.
At this point, Logan has recovered _all_ of his memories, apparently including both timelines (at least, the two we've seen). In other media (comics, audio dramas, etc) he goes through _multiple_ bouts of amnesia, sometimes self-inflicted, but the memories always eventually return. At this point in his story, he's avoided losing his memories for so long that they've all returned, just in time for him to die.
Speaking of audio dramas, Marvel's Wastelanders was a great series of six podcast series (a series of series? hmm) also loosely based on Old Man Logan. Doctor Doom, Red Skull, and Baron Zemo team up to defeat almost all the superheroes and take over the planet. The first five are kinda individual story lines starting with Star-Lord, then Hawkeye, Black Widow (starring Susan Sarandon!), Wolverine (starring Robert Patrick, aka T-1000), and Doctor Doom, the last is a team-up of those five (kinda like an Elderly Avengers).
After this....Deadpool and Wolverine!!! Im so excited!!!!
Captain America is Weapon 1 and Deadpool is TECHNICALLY Weapon 11
For more Dafne Keen check out the BBC/Hbo adaption of His Dark Materials based on the book series. Amazing.
i legit HATE that Hugh didn't even get a nomination for best actor. this was a powerhouse performance.
Yeah, he's legit great as X-24, performance of all time
"A death so epic it sends shivers down the timeline"
Stop that right now
@@GrumpySoth He was a nasty villain, but with a good quote
@@alexkaen1701 Thank you :)
For R rated comic book movies see The Crow 1994 and Blade 1998
@@fineganswake23 The Punisher (1989). It's the Dolph Lundgren version. Fairly terrible but a 'so bad it's good' kinda movie 😆
The dinner scene is one of my favorite moments in an X-Men related film. Patrick Stewart said one of the main reasons he decided to come back for this movie was because of that scene and the scene afterward in the bedoom, since it would be the first time he and Hugh Jackman got a scene where they talked in a vulnerable, human way as family, as opposed to a dramatic scene where plot exposition was the point. It's a shame that the movies often don't have room and space to really breathe and give us the non-action stuff we love from the comics, like the X-Men playing baseball or having dinner or Spider-Man and the Human Torch grabbing coffee at the statue of liberty and venting to each other or Clark Kent meeting up with Diana and Bruce for brunch and sharing their lives with each other.
The lady at the beginning is from Orange is the New Black, she occasionally shows up in stuff - she deserves more roles.
I watched Logan 7 times in theaters in 2017. It's a top 5 movie for me.
Dafne Keen (Laura/X23) reprises this role in Deadpool & Wolverine, but she was also in the Star Wars Acolyte show as a padawan.
Before you see "Deadpool & Wolverine", you need to watch some more for Simone:
"Blade Trinity" (2004)
"Daredevil" (2003)
"Elektra" (2005)
"Fantastic 4" (2005)
"Punisher War Zone" (2008)
Would be nice if we could get some TV reactions too - especially Daredevil and Punisher.
Worth mentioning that Dafne Keen even then had an English accent normally. Amazing actor even at that time, played one of the better characters in The Acolyte, does most of her own stunts also and just incredible even in her latest roles.
"Weapon I" is retroactively Steve Rogers/Captain America, since the Captain America supersoldier program became the "Weapon II Program"
The evil scientist guy dropped one line about the chemical he invented being put in all the food. That suppresses their powers, including his regeneration. Without his regeneration, he can't heal the metal on his bones. That adamantium is just like us having certain metal inside us that will poison and kill us. His healing factor is so high that he constantly compensates for it. If you recall in the Wolverine Origins, Sabertooth wants to have the metal in him but Striker tells him he is not compatible, meaning his healing factor isn't strong enough. Wolverine's healing factor is fully shown in the comics when Magneto pulls the metal out of him, which allows Wolverine to use his full abilities, he ends up turning nearly feral and heals super fast.
30:00 fun fact: in the comics captain america is the weapon 1
what you REALLY need for DEADPOOL 3 is Wandavision (which you already spoiled yourself with Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness with) and DEFINITLY Loki Season 1 & 2.
Good to know this is a alternate universe and not the current one
The funny thing about sleeping is that we still do not entirely know why creatures need to sleep. We know the things that the body does during sleep (not just healing) but haven't figured out why it can't do these things when awake. So, yes, Logan still needs to sleep.
You guys should definitely watch The Hateful Eight! It's another Tarantino movie, but it has a slower pacing compared to the other movies I've seen from Tarantino. It's my personal favorite out of all of his I've seen so far!
Dafne Keen was one of the most inspired casting choices in cinema.
She absolutely embodies fury and menace.
In the second Wolverine movie (the one from Japan) Yukio has the ability to see people's death and she told hiim how he will die: "On his back, there's blood everywhere, holding his heart in his hand"
I had a full on emotional breakdown in the theater from this movie. Wolvie was my hero growing up. But so was my dad, and he died less than a year before this movie came out. Anyone wanna know what happens when you try to avoid processing grief? It shows up when you least expect it. That’s what.
Whether Logan is immortal or not goes back and forth in the comics. Sometimes he's depicted as not aging at all, sometimes it's just slowed down.
Nothing like a good hard cry to kick off a Saturday. Cheers and Salutations to all my fellow Cine-Bitches out there. 🥃☮❤
When Laura took the cross and turned it to the X it's even sadder, became we had lost Professor X. Then Logan in such a violent way. I still cry at the end every time, and I've lost count how many times I've seen this movie. When she's say Daddy, I just lose it.
Daddy / Daughter Slaughter Day is just so heart-warming to witness.
---- Logan said, "Oh, so THAT'S what it feels like." Some fans like to speculate a metaphor from "The Wolverine". Logan was told by Yukio he would die with his heart in his hand. In "Logan" he died looking at Laura - concerned for her future - accepting her as his daughter - holding her hand.
*_IMPORTANT NOTES_*
It was said briefly so it often gets missed. This is a? the? timeline when the Sentinel project was stopped. Instead of Sentinels to exterminate mutants, a new government project used modified corn syrup, food & drink additives, etc. - suppressing the mutant genes. This suppression worked on different mutants in different ways. The most susceptible were mutant children before their mutation took hold. That is why new generations of mutants were no longer manifesting.
For Logan - the corn syrup suppression weakened him significantly where the adamantium poisoning was overriding his healing factor. He began to age as well.
For Charles Xavier - it brought on dementia and he accidently slew the rest of the X-Men.
Laura / X-23 never had full body adamantium surgery so her skeleton could grow as she did - Only the claws were surgically done. Plus - she and the other mutant children 'experiments' were not given any modified processed food. She should be fine as long as she avoids processed foods - assuming that suppression project is still active.
Laura / X-23 is not part of the government-backed Weapon Plus Programme, so her number doesn't relate to Weapon X. She's part of a separate, private project. All of her series were attempts to clone Wolverine but the initial 22 failed. She was the first viable clone but the 23rd experiment in total so she had the serial number X-23.
[She was actually created for the animated series X-Men: Evolution but was popular enough to be ported over to the comics and, with this, to live-action. Each version has a slightly different origin story but the basics are mostly the same.]