Between this and T14S Gen5? Im leaning towards T14S Gen 5 because I'm always on a plane but I'm open to suggestion. Beautuful review. Incidentally it's a pity Lenobo doesn's sell this machine at least with a Ada 100 graphics card.
Pity that you are not opening inside case, because I am not sure what is inside of it in terms of cooling without dGPU. But from "Mobile workstation" standpoint it seems that this is excellent machine - good cooling, upgreadability, can be equiped with a lots of ram, a bit heavy, but extremely rigid. I am searching for my dream machine for three months now, two HP notebooks came DOA (845g11 amd and 1040g11 intel) so deciding between carbon and this one. Do not know what I prefer better - lightness or performance sacrifice.Can someone help me decide? :) P.S. How is fan noise? It seems that it is a bit on the loud side based on notebookcheck review, even in Power saver mode? P.S.S. Can you weight your model without iGPU?
Fan noise is not bad if its light to medium workloads. Quiet with general office usage. Running Blender, the fans do get loud. Weight wise, it's 'heavy' in a solid way. Naturally the Carbon is much lighter but you won't get the performance.
@@Dovecomputers I will think over the weekend, but my ipressions that I will pull the plug on P14s, because it just seems better value and for my purpose - I am sysadmin :) And from other side - MacBook Pro 14 is same size and weight, so what I am complaining?! :)
For sysadmin laptop P14s will be perfect for you. The other one I use is the ThinkBook 14 as it's good value if you are on a budget. (And has a RJ45 port!)
@@Adnan-xf1mp This laptop seems excellent choice, because there is all what you need - ram upgradability, good IPS display options, size and decent weight if you need to move it around. Of course it has good CPU with good power limit too :) I can't speak for myself yet, I am still waiting this laptop to arrive, it will come next week )
Please, for the love of god, start including any kind of performance metrics in your gaming examples. Like I just do not understand what use they have, if you are just showing plain recorded gameplay without any kind of statistic showing how the system actually performs... Apart from that, great review as always!
Thanks for the constructive criticism. All gaming metrics are in the descriptions. (In fairness hidden) Over time I have added requested features to the reviews, making each video go from 7 minute durations to 17/18 minutes on average now. In turn this has made it harder to make each review it it takes longer each time. Difficult as I run this channel in my spare time. Just saying where I am coming from, but keep firing the requests to me and I'll add them in...over time! 😁
My god, your reviews are good. Straight to the point, concise, impartial. You cover the details that matters, from the average customer up to the picky ones (🙋🏻♂️). And reading though your comments, you also seem open to suggestions and improvements. Thank you ! ❤
I use both and they have great qualities. Personally I like the Yoga Slim 7 7840S, better OLED panel, great performance, excellent 6 speakers, 780M iGPU is good and slimmer/lightweight. P14s Gen 5 has the upgrade options, arguably better build quality.
Just wanted to thank you for always being on top of these things and helping us out with the questions! (Today I asked yet another difficult question haha, hope you can help me out with choosing the best value / quality one)
Thanks! Greate review! Are speakesr so bad? It is really strange, still can't understand difference in E models with "Dolby Atmos" vc "Dolby Audio" in T models. Is surface rubbered or it is fully aluminium as E models? Could you please review ThinkPad E16 Gen 2? Looks like same config with good display option, not sure about speakers. Anyway P models are very expensive more the majority, I would by P but the budget...
Do you think the next gen ( which is gen 6 ) of P14s will have that glory AI hx 370, and if it has it, will thinkpad become a better laptop with the same build like the p14s gen 5 (intel version)
Definitely. Will be interesting to see if all the hype surrounding the AI 9 HX 370 & Radeon 890M with RDNA 3.5 is true. Also there's new competition from the Intel Lunar Lake CPU's too. (Core i7-268V & Arc 140V iGPU). Tasty!
Thanks for the review, which one do you recommend for overall usage comfort keyboard , good gaming , good weight and battery life? Confused with T14s snapdragon or surface 7 or asus zenbook s16 or t14 gen5 , your reply is much appreciated
Doesn't exist yet. The Snapdragon laptops have compatibility issues with most Triple A titles. (My Yoga Slim 7x review is due out soon) Otherwise battery life is good. The next gen laptops will have the AMD Strix Point and Intel Lunar Lake CPU's with better battery life and integrated graphics.
@@Dovecomputers That's good, so it's metal and cool to the touch? I've been under the impression that the frame is metal with plastic on top, but if it's all metal then even better
Hello again! I just checked pricing again and Id like your opinion on which one you would recommend for light/medium web devving. If performance gains are minor, I don't care. Battery and feel are important. Mostly use on battery on the lap / go. Here they are: (All have AMD / OLED ) *P14s Gen 4*: AMD 7840U, 64GB 6400 soldered, 1TB, 90Hz OLED, WiFi 6E (soldered i think), 52,5wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, ethernet = 1234 Euros *T14s Gen 4*: AMD 7840U, 32GB 6400 soldered, 1TB, 60Hz OLED, WiFi 6E (soldered i think), 57wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, probably more USB4 than P14s = 1398 Euros *T14 Gen 5*: AMD 8840U, 32GB 5600 sticks, 120Hz OLED, 512GB, WiFi 7, 52,5wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, nfc, = 1494 Euros *P14s Gen 5*: AND 8840HS, 32GB 5600 sticks, says 60Hz OLED but thats weird, WiFi 7, 5g antenna, fingerprint = 1409 Euros SOS!😅 The P14s Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with 75wh battery, 3K IPS 120hz display comes in at 1448
The T14s Gen 4 or P14s Gen 5 would give the best battery life. OLED will eat into the battery life more than IPS. The 7840U is a great performance/battery life CPU. Personally I would go for the Yoga Slim 7x Snapdragon X Elite if the dev software is compatible (Currently reviewing and testing it) Great battery life and light / medium task usage.
@@Dovecomputers Thanks! Also good to know, when will that review be up? I was slightly interested in that laptop but it won't go on discount and Im not sure about inconsistencies when I switch between my x86 desktop vs the ARM laptop in dev work. Also, do you mean the AMD T14s Gen 4 and AMD P14s Gen 5? Or intel P14s Gen 5?
@@Burbanana T14s Gen 4 (AMD) 7840U & P14s Gen 4 (Intel) will give the best battery life. With the Snapdragon laptops, there is the compatibility issue, it's getting better by the day as the software firms release ARM64 versions. Working on the review as we speak, next one to be published in about a week's time.
Hey there! Would you recommend the P14s G5 / G4 AMD or the T14 G5 AMD? I guess the T14s AMD Gen 4 is also on sale! but I think they all come at about the same price (maybe t14s and p14s G4 is a bit cheaper)
Hey, there's not much in it at the moment with the Intel Core Ultra/Arc & AMD Ryzen 7 8000 series/780M. Look for the sales! Really waiting for the next gen CPU's/iGPU's to come out in the next few months as there wasn't a big jump in the last two generation of CPU's/iGPU's from Intel/AMD. (Basically a lazy rebranding from both)
Actually no, the core ultra fixes the problem of battery life vs amd which was pure shh(un)t, the arc xe has improved and achieved the performance of a vega 7 (in the amd 3000 4000 5000), amd is basically upgrading a little of gpu and the cpu is just a pure rebrand.
@@Dovecomputers Do you mean that the empty wwan slot doens't support 2242 SSD? In some previous thinkPad, the wwan slot does support 2242 SSD, like T450s. If the P14s doesn't support 2242 SSD, that's a pity.
@@lawrencewang914 No, as I remember, after gen 2 Lenovo locked wwan port of using ssd's. And you needed specific model with B-M key too! Pity is that in china this model gets proper M.2 2242 slot instead of wwan! :(
i consider buying the P14s Gen 5 AMD version (8840HS CPU), with the older 14 inch chassis and smaller battery. it cost about 1580 GBP with 2.8K oled display, 32GB ram / 1TB SSD . what do you think?
@@anonylesss Yeah it is not! I had opportunity to give this machine to my colleagues who 99% of time keeps it connected, so I did it. Now I am still deciding between two completely different machines - X1 Carbon G12 or this one P14s G5i
Владею P14S. Для тех, кто не в курсе, T серия < P серия < X серия. В моей модели доступны 2.2k IPS и даже 2.8k OLED, но конкретно в моем стоит обычный full hd, хотя относительно яркий и красочный. Главная проблема в его системе охлаждения. Под капотом стоит Ryzen 7 pro, но как же он греется... Я по профессии разработчик и гоняю его и в хвост, и в гриву, но греется он настолько, что иногда не хочет включаться после перезагрузки, пока не охладится. Что два назад, будучи абсолютно новым, что после чистки и замены термопасты. В остальном очень крутой ноутбук. До этого был T490, настолько зашёл формат, что личный ноутбук у меня теперь тоже 14 дюймов
Between this and T14S Gen5? Im leaning towards T14S Gen 5 because I'm always on a plane but I'm open to suggestion. Beautuful review. Incidentally it's a pity Lenobo doesn's sell this machine at least with a Ada 100 graphics card.
Pity that you are not opening inside case, because I am not sure what is inside of it in terms of cooling without dGPU.
But from "Mobile workstation" standpoint it seems that this is excellent machine - good cooling, upgreadability, can be equiped with a lots of ram, a bit heavy, but extremely rigid. I am searching for my dream machine for three months now, two HP notebooks came DOA (845g11 amd and 1040g11 intel) so deciding between carbon and this one. Do not know what I prefer better - lightness or performance sacrifice.Can someone help me decide? :)
P.S. How is fan noise? It seems that it is a bit on the loud side based on notebookcheck review, even in Power saver mode?
P.S.S. Can you weight your model without iGPU?
Fan noise is not bad if its light to medium workloads. Quiet with general office usage. Running Blender, the fans do get loud. Weight wise, it's 'heavy' in a solid way. Naturally the Carbon is much lighter but you won't get the performance.
@@Dovecomputers I will think over the weekend, but my ipressions that I will pull the plug on P14s, because it just seems better value and for my purpose - I am sysadmin :) And from other side - MacBook Pro 14 is same size and weight, so what I am complaining?! :)
For sysadmin laptop P14s will be perfect for you. The other one I use is the ThinkBook 14 as it's good value if you are on a budget. (And has a RJ45 port!)
I m thinking to buy a 14 inch laptop to do coding and virtual machines? What do you suggest as macbook pro still can’t run gns3.
Thanks
@@Adnan-xf1mp This laptop seems excellent choice, because there is all what you need - ram upgradability, good IPS display options, size and decent weight if you need to move it around. Of course it has good CPU with good power limit too :)
I can't speak for myself yet, I am still waiting this laptop to arrive, it will come next week )
T14? For the people that don't want dedicated graphics?
That's a bargain price for the P14s Gen 5!
Please, for the love of god, start including any kind of performance metrics in your gaming examples. Like I just do not understand what use they have, if you are just showing plain recorded gameplay without any kind of statistic showing how the system actually performs... Apart from that, great review as always!
Thanks for the constructive criticism. All gaming metrics are in the descriptions. (In fairness hidden) Over time I have added requested features to the reviews, making each video go from 7 minute durations to 17/18 minutes on average now. In turn this has made it harder to make each review it it takes longer each time. Difficult as I run this channel in my spare time. Just saying where I am coming from, but keep firing the requests to me and I'll add them in...over time! 😁
Pulled the trigger and ordered P14s G5i with 155h, 64G, 512 Performance ssd (will replace it with 2TB 990 PRO) and big battery :)
When you say big battery, will there be any safety issue if using a non-offical battery?
Finally!!! Thank you for release this review :3.
My god, your reviews are good. Straight to the point, concise, impartial. You cover the details that matters, from the average customer up to the picky ones (🙋🏻♂️). And reading though your comments, you also seem open to suggestions and improvements. Thank you ! ❤
Thanks, that's precisely how I aim my videos. What I would want to know if I was buying a laptop for myself or my business. 👍
So between p14s g5 and yoga slim 7 7840s, which device should I choose, considering many factors such as configuration, temperature, battery...
I use both and they have great qualities. Personally I like the Yoga Slim 7 7840S, better OLED panel, great performance, excellent 6 speakers, 780M iGPU is good and slimmer/lightweight. P14s Gen 5 has the upgrade options, arguably better build quality.
Just wanted to thank you for always being on top of these things and helping us out with the questions! (Today I asked yet another difficult question haha, hope you can help me out with choosing the best value / quality one)
Thank you! Always happy to help, keeps me on my toes! 😁
Great review!
Please, share the information about where you got those great wallpapers you showed during the review. Thanks.
I really want this with ryzen ai 9 instead 😢
P14s Gen 6 will be out with it towards the end of Q3.
Hopefully with upgradeable ram and similar chassis to Intel like this generation@@Dovecomputers
Why do you think this is priced cheaper compared to the X13? Is it just the exclusivity that the X series has?
really, wwan slot is empty and no sim card slots are pretty weird.. but still it is a solid machine. thanks for the review!
I want to get this one due to the Ethernet port, smaller design and usb c charger
There’s also an OLED option
Thanks! Greate review! Are speakesr so bad? It is really strange, still can't understand difference in E models with "Dolby Atmos" vc "Dolby Audio" in T models. Is surface rubbered or it is fully aluminium as E models? Could you please review ThinkPad E16 Gen 2? Looks like same config with good display option, not sure about speakers. Anyway P models are very expensive more the majority, I would by P but the budget...
Speakers are ok, it's a workstation. Look at the IdeaPad Slim 5i 14 (OLED) or the Yoga Pro 7i 14 2.8K OLED for more value.
Do you think the next gen ( which is gen 6 ) of P14s will have that glory AI hx 370, and if it has it, will thinkpad become a better laptop with the same build like the p14s gen 5 (intel version)
Definitely. Will be interesting to see if all the hype surrounding the AI 9 HX 370 & Radeon 890M with RDNA 3.5 is true. Also there's new competition from the Intel Lunar Lake CPU's too. (Core i7-268V & Arc 140V iGPU). Tasty!
@@Dovecomputers that could be the next step for thinkpad I guess
Thanks for the review, which one do you recommend for overall usage comfort keyboard , good gaming , good weight and battery life? Confused with T14s snapdragon or surface 7 or asus zenbook s16 or t14 gen5 , your reply is much appreciated
Doesn't exist yet. The Snapdragon laptops have compatibility issues with most Triple A titles. (My Yoga Slim 7x review is due out soon) Otherwise battery life is good. The next gen laptops will have the AMD Strix Point and Intel Lunar Lake CPU's with better battery life and integrated graphics.
Thank you, my current laptop is working fine I can wait but when the next gen laptops comes out? Do you hear any specific laptop from lenovo thinkpad?
Ive seen some reports that the palmrest and keyboard deck are plastic instead of aluminum, which is only on the top/bottom. Can you confirm?
It's aluminium 👍
@@Dovecomputers That's good, so it's metal and cool to the touch? I've been under the impression that the frame is metal with plastic on top, but if it's all metal then even better
hi
Hello again! I just checked pricing again and Id like your opinion on which one you would recommend for light/medium web devving.
If performance gains are minor, I don't care. Battery and feel are important. Mostly use on battery on the lap / go.
Here they are:
(All have AMD / OLED )
*P14s Gen 4*: AMD 7840U, 64GB 6400 soldered, 1TB, 90Hz OLED, WiFi 6E (soldered i think), 52,5wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, ethernet = 1234 Euros
*T14s Gen 4*: AMD 7840U, 32GB 6400 soldered, 1TB, 60Hz OLED, WiFi 6E (soldered i think), 57wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, probably more USB4 than P14s = 1398 Euros
*T14 Gen 5*: AMD 8840U, 32GB 5600 sticks, 120Hz OLED, 512GB, WiFi 7, 52,5wh batt, 4g antenna, fingerprint, nfc, = 1494 Euros
*P14s Gen 5*: AND 8840HS, 32GB 5600 sticks, says 60Hz OLED but thats weird, WiFi 7, 5g antenna, fingerprint = 1409 Euros
SOS!😅
The P14s Intel Core Ultra 7 155H with 75wh battery, 3K IPS 120hz display comes in at 1448
The T14s Gen 4 or P14s Gen 5 would give the best battery life. OLED will eat into the battery life more than IPS. The 7840U is a great performance/battery life CPU. Personally I would go for the Yoga Slim 7x Snapdragon X Elite if the dev software is compatible (Currently reviewing and testing it) Great battery life and light / medium task usage.
@@Dovecomputers Thanks! Also good to know, when will that review be up? I was slightly interested in that laptop but it won't go on discount and Im not sure about inconsistencies when I switch between my x86 desktop vs the ARM laptop in dev work.
Also, do you mean the AMD T14s Gen 4 and AMD P14s Gen 5? Or intel P14s Gen 5?
@@Burbanana T14s Gen 4 (AMD) 7840U & P14s Gen 4 (Intel) will give the best battery life. With the Snapdragon laptops, there is the compatibility issue, it's getting better by the day as the software firms release ARM64 versions. Working on the review as we speak, next one to be published in about a week's time.
@@Dovecomputers legend
Hey there! Would you recommend the P14s G5 / G4 AMD or the T14 G5 AMD? I guess the T14s AMD Gen 4 is also on sale! but I think they all come at about the same price (maybe t14s and p14s G4 is a bit cheaper)
Hey, there's not much in it at the moment with the Intel Core Ultra/Arc & AMD Ryzen 7 8000 series/780M. Look for the sales! Really waiting for the next gen CPU's/iGPU's to come out in the next few months as there wasn't a big jump in the last two generation of CPU's/iGPU's from Intel/AMD. (Basically a lazy rebranding from both)
Actually no, the core ultra fixes the problem of battery life vs amd which was pure shh(un)t, the arc xe has improved and achieved the performance of a vega 7 (in the amd 3000 4000 5000), amd is basically upgrading a little of gpu and the cpu is just a pure rebrand.
For that price, go for a p14 gen 5. There is near to no purpose in buying the last gen or the s variants for the t series as they have soldered ram.
@@leo_craft1 p14s gen 5 u mean? @Dovecomputers what do u think?
Does it support 2242 SSD? I want to add a second SSD in the wwan position
Only the one 2280 SSD slot.
@@Dovecomputers Do you mean that the empty wwan slot doens't support 2242 SSD? In some previous thinkPad, the wwan slot does support 2242 SSD, like T450s. If the P14s doesn't support 2242 SSD, that's a pity.
@@lawrencewang914 No, as I remember, after gen 2 Lenovo locked wwan port of using ssd's. And you needed specific model with B-M key too!
Pity is that in china this model gets proper M.2 2242 slot instead of wwan! :(
@@Zlapsa Sad
@@Zlapsamine has labeled SSD on that small m.2 slot but do not support ssd 🤣
i consider buying the P14s Gen 5 AMD version (8840HS CPU), with the older 14 inch chassis and smaller battery. it cost about 1580 GBP with 2.8K oled display, 32GB ram / 1TB SSD . what do you think?
If you are not too worried about battery life, that's the one to go for. 👍
Had it for few months - excellent machine, except battery - with HS CPU and OLED - maximum 2-4 hours based on usage!
@@Zlapsa oh wow, that's not much for a new laptop. thank's for your feedback!
@@anonylesss Yeah it is not! I had opportunity to give this machine to my colleagues who 99% of time keeps it connected, so I did it. Now I am still deciding between two completely different machines - X1 Carbon G12 or this one P14s G5i
@@Zlapsa this makes me think that maybe i should settle on the previous gen4 with AMD ,with the soldered (64gb) RAM
Its not a snapdragon x or amd ai 300 or lunar lake... its already outdated before you buy.
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Владею P14S. Для тех, кто не в курсе, T серия < P серия < X серия. В моей модели доступны 2.2k IPS и даже 2.8k OLED, но конкретно в моем стоит обычный full hd, хотя относительно яркий и красочный. Главная проблема в его системе охлаждения. Под капотом стоит Ryzen 7 pro, но как же он греется... Я по профессии разработчик и гоняю его и в хвост, и в гриву, но греется он настолько, что иногда не хочет включаться после перезагрузки, пока не охладится. Что два назад, будучи абсолютно новым, что после чистки и замены термопасты. В остальном очень крутой ноутбук. До этого был T490, настолько зашёл формат, что личный ноутбук у меня теперь тоже 14 дюймов
Пробовали на него линукс накатывать?
@@lmbrione только он и стоит
@@buttermachine4503 тоже подумываю взять, поставить туда arch. Проблем с дарйверами надеюсь нет?
@@lmbrione ну на KDE все окей, только датчик отпечатка пальца не работает из коробки, но это не проблема ноутбука