most reviewers are hardware elitists who think every single person needs at least a core i7 (or ultra 7), 16gb ram, and 1tb storage. X Plus does 99% of what X Elite can do, but more efficient.
@@ASEM-1123Microsoft also sends out the highest spec models to reviewers. Alex bought the Plus model with his own money which is a rarity for YT reviewers.
@@AZisk Hi, I have a question. The surface with x plus comes with a 39w charger. What is the maximum wattage for charging via usb-c? Thanks in advance for your answer
Thank you for your continuous efforts in testing these units. I have many customers waiting me to port my software to ARM and you already highlighted many potential problems that would take ages to figure out.
You are making some incredible videos. Even when you’re talking about things that are slightly over my head, you explain in a way that makes perfect sense. I feel like I’m learning something every time i watch.
Running a program without optimizations turned on is really odd, even for debugging if you need performance you'd often at least use -O1 it might also explain why prism was somehow faster then running natively, the x64 code is just not that great and prism might be able to do some of the optimizations the compiler would have done if you turned them on
@@seeibe it's not about spending time, it's about passing the "-O2" flag when you compile. I guess compilation might be slightly slower, but not normally noticeable
When using sorting algorithms as benchmarks, it would be prudent to lock in the seed of the vector that holds the out-of-order numbers. That way the algorithm performs an identically hard problem in all cases in terms of iterations needed to complete the operation, rather than relying on the wall-time required as the sole indicator of performance. P.S.: There's a running joke in the optimization community that BOGOSort is the best sorting algorithm, you just have to "high-roll" a good enough vector that is practically already sorted, highlighting the need for exactly reproducible problems.
As someone who uses remote desktop to connect to my PC in the office to work, this kind of laptop is perfect for that. Can't wait for even more options and maybe some price cuts
Alex at 6:50 I would like to point out bad working conditions for schwarzenegger 2.0. It is trashed to the corner, really suffering and being ignored. Not cool man!!!! not cool.
Don't run very short tests like 5 seconds. CPU core might not fully wake up after working on very low frequency (idle state), and might not get to turbo boost frequencies yet.
you know what when i saw your content i was like "this is what i was looking for" but then when i saw your sub count on channel... it broke me. fr this king of content deserve at least 5 million subs.
Sadly the manufacturers are completely cheaping out on RAM... The CPUs might have enough power to compile bigger projects in a reasonable amount of time, but I'm missing the 128 GB RAM option to test it out...
128 GB RAM? Where the fuck do you work at bro, CERN, NASA? I think some of them have the option for 64 GB, but I find even 32 GB way too much. I have 16 on my fuckin DESKTOP which is used for everything (gaming, development, etc).
@@MadafakinRiowhy are you cussing so much 😅 Not many people need that much ram. People that run Huge LLM’s or people editing huge video projects or even music producers who use lots of sample instrument libraries. Not much people run 128 of Ram but it’s good that there’s an option to.
@@MadafakinRio 128GB is a lot for a laptop, but 16GB is mediocre. 32GB minimum for professional work. I am constantly maxing out my 16GB work laptop and having to close programs. I'm a software engineer. Need to get them to ship me out a 32GB model.
@@MadafakinRio Lets just say that I am involved in the development of medical imaging solutions. 128 GB is enough for compiling most of our projects. Testing needs much more, between 1 and 2 TB, depending on the input data.
I think Thunderbolt compatibility testing would be best performed with Thunderbolt-only docks/accessories (the venerable CalDigit TS3 Plus, for instance). If the dock is also designed to work fine over standard, non-Thunderbolt USB-C, we don't get a good idea of how well the laptop plays with Thunderbolt. The dock you linked can fall back to a standard USB connection (probably 10 Gbps) if Thunderbolt bandwidths are not available on the port. If you are testing with that OWC dock, it would be best to connect a Thunderbolt accessory to it and verify if it's achieving Thunderbolt levels of bandwidth.
Maybe MSVC for ARM64 is less refined / optimized than for x64? Or maybe like @squadb3 said Prism may optimize unoptimized Debug code, because it's ultimately a JIT compiler.
I rarely comment but this was the best video about these machines! Although more details regarding gaming would be a nice touch but ig most other reviewers do that while they dont do stuff u do here
On the trackpad issue. Shut it down. Hold the power switch for 20 seconds or until it turns on and lights up partially. Then let go and wait, it will be slow to boot. Fans if these have fans may spin up to max briefly. This resets the hardware because you can't pull the battery so easily. You can open the case and unplug the batteries as well but the power button process typically works. This fixed intermittent trackpads on HP Elitebooks.
The Surface 6 with the Core Ultra 7 165H honestly sounds like a great Business laptop. None of the ARM crap, but with real performance compared to the wimpy i7-1355U we had previously
You are mentioning that the multicore sort is faster on the X-elite, having 10 or 12 cores, compared to the Macbook Air's only 8 cores. But in reality, the Air only has 4, as in 4 performance cores compared to 10 or 12 performance cores on the X-elite. I wish reviewers would point out this detail.
moreover, E-cores are mainly only used for background tasks, and MacOS only schedules threads onto the E-cores when P-cores are fully saturated, and even then, it won't fully use the E-cores as they are reserved for the OS' maintenance processes. So Apple mentioning the total number or cores is misleading.
13:29 you probably compiled for x86. The maximum stack size is way smaller on x86 compared to x64, so you would need to compiler for x64 (and for timing also use -O3)
This was a very cool one Alex. Thanks for making and share this content. As a true NET developer (XAML moving to Web, and increasingly to Linux for containers, and JVM for PDF generation) this was very insightful, practical and to the point. Thanks and cheers from Florida today.
How about taking us though a SSD upgrade process? Using a Mac for so long I cant even remember all the steps e.g. download a ISO, make USB bootable, actually replacing the SSD, is it really easy? Install windows, does all the drivers work out of the box?
12:39 You need to quick sort an array with same array for both builds. quick sort could just finished with fewer iteration on x64 build since you shuffled array on runtime based on source code available on 11:14
Having tried compiling different software with -O3 vs -O2 it seems it rarely produces much difference in runtime but increases compile time significantly.
@@lambdaprog O3 allows experimental optimizations that may change the behavior even of perfectly legal C code without undefined behavior, and in most cases will not be significantly faster than O2. In fact, it may be slower than O2.
i have the huawei matebook 14 with intel core ultra 5 125h. it comes with a huawei pc manager. it lasts for 18hours in power saving mode. the app throttles the cpu but browsing and streaming experience is still great. but i doubt i can use that setting when i actually do real work. but at least it's good to have an option like that when you don't really need the cpus full power.
I may have missed it in the video - but in Windows, you must set to "best performance" power scheme. Otherwise, power management features will dramatically limit your performance. Interestingly, on the Qualcomm CPUs (similarly to M-arch on Macs) - if you stay on Best Performance while on battery - performance doesn't suffer. On Intel you can expect ~7% drop, on AMD a lot more. Using "Best Performance" while on battery will significantly hurt battery life though.
Hey sir, when you're benchmarking Intel Chip, please try it with Lenovo/Asus as Surface really doesn't have good Intel models! Lenovo 14th Gen laptops are quite quiet! Great comparisons tho!
VMware Hoziron also totally messes up the system when you try to run the newest version. The laptop literally locks up after a few minutes, you can barely even shut it down. There are some older versions which seem to run okay, but still it's not reassuring if that's how you connect to your corporate work VM and you'd like to work from a Surface Laptop 7.
really appreciate these reviews. I love my surface pro 7 but its battery life is terrible. It still does everything I need it to for now but may end up getting one of these beautiful surface laptop 7 soon..
I bought the 15in Surface Laptop 7, really baffles me though that the battery is only 66Wh, while the 13.8in has a 54Wh battery. You’re telling me with an extra 19.2 square inches of space (based of chassis dimensions) they could only fit another 12Wh worth of battery? Considering the cost and how it’s supposed to be their top end device, they really should’ve crammed a 100Wh battery in like Apple does for the largest MacBook Pros. Would’ve given a 50% boost in battery life and helped with long term degradation.
It is a pain in the ass to swap laptop every time a new one comes out (too often.) with incremental upgrades. I'd rather wait longer for better upgrades but companies are greedy af
I would like to see a long term testing scores for these computers after the daily system updates that are always require for Windows. Maybe monthly to see how performance degrades over time.
The question is which powerprofile did you use? I notices on my Surface Laptop 7 with the Snapdragon X Elite that the recommended powerplan in the windows settings disables the dual core boost and therefore limits the clockspeed to 3400 Mhz. Would love to know if the X Elite performs similar to the x plus in battery life with the recommended power plan. That would mean you have best battery life that way while having the option to use dual core boost.
Hi Alex, first of all i wanna say thanks to you because of your super helpful videos. And secondly i wanna ask you something, personally i 2, 3 times reinstall windows in a year, so can you make video about it on arm chips. Is it still easy to reinstall windows on arm chips like x64, or should we expect more problems? I hope you will read this!
I don't think they push this one any further, some of them are already discounted the Laptops just a few weeks after the release.. so they still had too many what nobody wanted..
Was there any mention about mAh? battery sizes? as when I googled,.. MBA 13" M3 = 4380 mAh, Surface 7 Snapdragon X Elite = 5806 mAh... Surface 7 Snapdragon X Plus = 4755 mAh With that, I assume, both should last longer than the macbook, if not, that's bad. But also means that the Elite power efficiency is really bad if it looses against the Plus.
Where did you get those ? Also, unlike the smartphones, where you know the voltage (as 3.7 - 4.2, so roughly 4 volts), the battery capacity in ... everything else, is usually measured in Wh. Your numbers tell me nothing, since I don't know the voltage or if at least is the same between the devices. If it wasn't for the voltage, you could say that many smartphone have a bigger battery (at 5000 mAh) than M3 and Surface 7 Snapdragon X Plus, while it's beyond obvious that that's not the case here.
check out my video on the battery test where I go through that: How long can they last? | ULTIMATE BATTERY TEST ua-cam.com/video/u1XJAOf_W5w/v-deo.html
Perhaps next time a storage intensive test, taking into account the price tag of having a machine with a storage of 2TB or 4 TB (which let apple look like a discounter offer?) The interesting time will come if snapdragon equivalents for The Pro and Max apple Silicon appear, currently there is only competition on MBA level
Hey, we're looking at ideally getting the Surface Laptop 7 X Elite laptops for our data engineering team. We use a lot of Microsoft Visio and Microsoft Power Bi/other visualization tools/ ETL tools. Do you see any risk in this? I'd love to get these instead of the intel surface laptop 6 but want to be sure we can work on these new laptops without issues. thanks!
These things are not bad machines and will only get better. Rocky start, but a short time later things will iron out and they will become critically hard to compete against.
I bought the 15 inch Surface Laptop (elite model), and also a Galaxy Book4 Pro 360 (155H model)... so torn on which one to keep. I think the Surface is more powerful, and I think the build quality is slightly better... but the Galaxy's 3k amoled display, ability to fold into a tablet, and pen input is so good... ugh. What do I do Alex? lol. Will I actually notice much of a performance boost with the X Elite over the 155H?
I'm a Visual Studio C# developer and host my SAAS app on Azure. I can't decide between Surface Pro 10 for business with 64GB RAM (expensive!) or the maxed out Surface Pro 11. I would sure love to speed up my compile times! Currently takes ~1 minute on my Surface Pro 7 with 16GB. I don't really care about battery life -- I'm always plugged in. Or the price. The only thing I really care about compile times. Any thoughts, Alex? Great video.
Quick question… which Surface model (by size) are you testing? The 13.8 or the 15? Apologies if this is a dumb question. I just can’t tell from the video. And do you have a preference and why?
Great review. My big question is how is this handling 1/2 monitors, one running a 1080p/4K video(on Chrome) and one running Intellij or a game(no fancy titles)? As these laptops have no dedicated graphics cards, from personal experience with other ultrabooks, I wonder if this has any performance issues(video stuttering, drops in framerate, etc).
that's it I'm going to buy one of this, especially when android studio support the ARM Version, i thought it wouldn't be too long, since they already have the ARM Version for Mac
Why do all the Snapdragon machines only have so few ports? Would Dell Latitude 5350 with Intel core ultra 7 165U be a reasonable alternative to Surface Laptop 6?
Alex can you test idle time on sufrace laptops vs mac book air..... need to know if you leave the computer on sleep ready work on after charging how long would the surface stand on idle.
Can you share if idle time is consistent... Windows machines had issues after pulling out of a back pack without Joice after hybernating or put to sleep without shutting down for a while.
Alex, all your videos comparing ARM devices are getting me hyped, although I still think they need to be cheaper for people to buy them. The great battery life and low fan noise in everyday use isn't a decisive factor because people have simply gotten used to it and see it as "meh." I think if Microsoft changes the screen on the "x plus" chip versions to one that isn't so reflective and isn't touchscreen (as a developer, I don't know why anyone would want a touchscreen on a laptop; they should get a tablet instead), it would lower the price and make it a better product. Otherwise, I don't see many people choosing these over the MBA M3, and soon they will be even cheaper when the M4s come out.
Love all your geeky tests. These are the things I do and appreciate there are others like me. I am specifically interested in the rendering compatibilities of Qualcomm chips. I use Resolve for video editing. I realize that Resolve ARM version is in beta but just how well does it work? Does hardware video acceleration work when exporting a video in AV1? How about Handbrake (which has an ARM version I believe)? Does it support hardware video decode/encode?
I'm going to tell you guys something that'll hopefully clear your mind about the surface laptops 7. For the 13.8 inch, get the x plus its been proven that its better and more preferred than the x elite. However, if you will get the 15.6 inch, get the x elite since its literally the best and you're kind forced, lol, since there aren't any x plus for the 15.6 inch. All of this is proven thanks to the big man "Just Josh". Additionally, Alex is a top tier man. Go check out the video where he compared the intels, with the snapdragon and even with the m chips all by himself, What a beast man.
Hi can you install or dual boot in to ubun2 and do a geekbench on the x elite i know you previously tried on wsl but i would love to see the scores in native ubun2
Josh reviewed this and said the battery life on the surface pro 11 is not good. Battery life is the main reason I’m considering one. Now I’m on the fence.
To prevent C++ people to yell at you wrongly setting the flags, just use Rust and dont forget set itu to release build (I assume the windows would use native windows compiler and mac would probably use clang, thus this yup this is not apple to apple benchmark)
judging from battery life it gives while having usable performance, X plus really is underrepresented in YT review video
Definitely.
most reviewers are hardware elitists who think every single person needs at least a core i7 (or ultra 7), 16gb ram, and 1tb storage.
X Plus does 99% of what X Elite can do, but more efficient.
@@ASEM-1123Microsoft also sends out the highest spec models to reviewers. Alex bought the Plus model with his own money which is a rarity for YT reviewers.
@@ASEM-1123 You do need 16gb of RAM, though, and electron apps will ensure that.
@@ASEM-1123 Lmfao? 16gb and 1tb storage is very much necessary. Well maybe really light users won't need 1tb, but 16gb def necessary.
This is the best channel for developers. You are doing a fantastic job.
@@AZisk Would like to see the same video with the new AMD Ryzen IA 370
@@jlparcerisa me too. That chip looks slick from the paid reviews I saw yesterday :)
@@AZisk Hi, I have a question. The surface with x plus comes with a 39w charger. What is the maximum wattage for charging via usb-c? Thanks in advance for your answer
Thanks for the thunderbolt display test. Noone else seems to test this on these new snapdragon X laptops...
@@pcbona agreed, it was very informative!
Thank you for your continuous efforts in testing these units. I have many customers waiting me to port my software to ARM and you already highlighted many potential problems that would take ages to figure out.
Glad to help
What idiot has bought these laptops and hasn't returned them?
You are making some incredible videos. Even when you’re talking about things that are slightly over my head, you explain in a way that makes perfect sense. I feel like I’m learning something every time i watch.
Running a program without optimizations turned on is really odd, even for debugging if you need performance you'd often at least use -O1
it might also explain why prism was somehow faster then running natively, the x64 code is just not that great and prism might be able to do some of the optimizations the compiler would have done if you turned them on
Same reason why using a compiled language can be slower than a jit language ifd you don't spend time on optimization
@@seeibe it's not about spending time, it's about passing the "-O2" flag when you compile. I guess compilation might be slightly slower, but not normally noticeable
Meanwhile me compiling software with -Os -flto=thin 😂
@@TheoParis lol, i use -o2 on linux
When using sorting algorithms as benchmarks, it would be prudent to lock in the seed of the vector that holds the out-of-order numbers. That way the algorithm performs an identically hard problem in all cases in terms of iterations needed to complete the operation, rather than relying on the wall-time required as the sole indicator of performance.
P.S.: There's a running joke in the optimization community that BOGOSort is the best sorting algorithm, you just have to "high-roll" a good enough vector that is practically already sorted, highlighting the need for exactly reproducible problems.
Freaking most detailed tech review. I'm thinking Alex talks in his sleep about core, gpu, python, etc. 😅
As someone who uses remote desktop to connect to my PC in the office to work, this kind of laptop is perfect for that. Can't wait for even more options and maybe some price cuts
Alex at 6:50 I would like to point out bad working conditions for schwarzenegger 2.0. It is trashed to the corner, really suffering and being ignored. Not cool man!!!! not cool.
He’s lucky I took him out of retirement for this one.
@@AZisk 🤣
3:21 ok so that's dope
Don't run very short tests like 5 seconds. CPU core might not fully wake up after working on very low frequency (idle state), and might not get to turbo boost frequencies yet.
Just because someone designed their chips poorly doesn’t mean we have to test around that. Zen 4 mobile boosts to max stored in 2ms on wall power, and
you know what when i saw your content i was like "this is what i was looking for" but then when i saw your sub count on channel... it broke me.
fr this king of content deserve at least 5 million subs.
Okay, those amputated fingers are the most awesome test I've ever seen :D
Sadly the manufacturers are completely cheaping out on RAM... The CPUs might have enough power to compile bigger projects in a reasonable amount of time, but I'm missing the 128 GB RAM option to test it out...
128 GB RAM? Where the fuck do you work at bro, CERN, NASA?
I think some of them have the option for 64 GB, but I find even 32 GB way too much. I have 16 on my fuckin DESKTOP which is used for everything (gaming, development, etc).
@@MadafakinRiowhy are you cussing so much 😅
Not many people need that much ram.
People that run Huge LLM’s or people editing huge video projects or even music producers who use lots of sample instrument libraries.
Not much people run 128 of Ram but it’s good that there’s an option to.
@@MadafakinRio 128GB is a lot for a laptop, but 16GB is mediocre. 32GB minimum for professional work. I am constantly maxing out my 16GB work laptop and having to close programs. I'm a software engineer. Need to get them to ship me out a 32GB model.
@@MadafakinRio Lets just say that I am involved in the development of medical imaging solutions. 128 GB is enough for compiling most of our projects. Testing needs much more, between 1 and 2 TB, depending on the input data.
@@dirkg.3163little buddy has never loaded a dataset before no wonder why he thinks more than 32gb is unfathomable
A Mac user since forever should not be watching this. Yet here I am. Thanks Alex for publishing videos that are both informative and entertaining!
wht the heck man. ur reviewing these like a pro level
I think Thunderbolt compatibility testing would be best performed with Thunderbolt-only docks/accessories (the venerable CalDigit TS3 Plus, for instance). If the dock is also designed to work fine over standard, non-Thunderbolt USB-C, we don't get a good idea of how well the laptop plays with Thunderbolt. The dock you linked can fall back to a standard USB connection (probably 10 Gbps) if Thunderbolt bandwidths are not available on the port. If you are testing with that OWC dock, it would be best to connect a Thunderbolt accessory to it and verify if it's achieving Thunderbolt levels of bandwidth.
yes. good point, i could have gone one more step and plugged in the monitors into the dock for all the machines
8:46 Copying into the memory is not only about the memory controller and ram chips, but also single thread performace
Maybe MSVC for ARM64 is less refined / optimized than for x64?
Or maybe like @squadb3 said Prism may optimize unoptimized Debug code, because it's ultimately a JIT compiler.
Moar great content from you sir!
Moar to come. I hope :)
I rarely comment but this was the best video about these machines!
Although more details regarding gaming would be a nice touch but ig most other reviewers do that while they dont do stuff u do here
On the trackpad issue. Shut it down. Hold the power switch for 20 seconds or until it turns on and lights up partially. Then let go and wait, it will be slow to boot. Fans if these have fans may spin up to max briefly. This resets the hardware because you can't pull the battery so easily. You can open the case and unplug the batteries as well but the power button process typically works. This fixed intermittent trackpads on HP Elitebooks.
The Surface 6 with the Core Ultra 7 165H honestly sounds like a great Business laptop. None of the ARM crap, but with real performance compared to the wimpy i7-1355U we had previously
You are mentioning that the multicore sort is faster on the X-elite, having 10 or 12 cores, compared to the Macbook Air's only 8 cores. But in reality, the Air only has 4, as in 4 performance cores compared to 10 or 12 performance cores on the X-elite. I wish reviewers would point out this detail.
E-cores and P-cores in the M-chips are structurally different, not just slightly lower clocked cores
moreover, E-cores are mainly only used for background tasks, and MacOS only schedules threads onto the E-cores when P-cores are fully saturated, and even then, it won't fully use the E-cores as they are reserved for the OS' maintenance processes. So Apple mentioning the total number or cores is misleading.
@@MrLocsei That's not anyone s problem
This is true. thanks for pointing it out
Disregarding price point these should be compared to a MacBook Pro with similar P core count M chips.
Will you be making setting up linux for development?
support isn't complete yet in the kernel but qualcomm is working on it
Just made a video about this last week.
13:29 you probably compiled for x86. The maximum stack size is way smaller on x86 compared to x64, so you would need to compiler for x64 (and for timing also use -O3)
Bro I could watch these Snapdragon videos ALL DAY! In fact I kinda do lol
If I had the money, I'd grab the Surface Pro 11 in a heartbeat!
This was a very cool one Alex. Thanks for making and share this content.
As a true NET developer (XAML moving to Web, and increasingly to Linux for containers, and JVM for PDF generation) this was very insightful, practical and to the point. Thanks and cheers from Florida today.
which one suggest for .net developer bro
How about taking us though a SSD upgrade process? Using a Mac for so long I cant even remember all the steps e.g. download a ISO, make USB bootable, actually replacing the SSD, is it really easy? Install windows, does all the drivers work out of the box?
Best Channel for Developers !!! Someone is reviewing laptops, considering our use cases as well :)
12:39 You need to quick sort an array with same array for both builds.
quick sort could just finished with fewer iteration on x64 build since you shuffled array on runtime based on source code available on 11:14
-O3 for the compilers, please. Always.
Not always.
@@ranjithmkumar In general I fire the guys whose code doesn't behave well with -O3.
Having tried compiling different software with -O3 vs -O2 it seems it rarely produces much difference in runtime but increases compile time significantly.
@@lambdaprog O3 allows experimental optimizations that may change the behavior even of perfectly legal C code without undefined behavior, and in most cases will not be significantly faster than O2. In fact, it may be slower than O2.
@@millfi I agree. O2 code size optimisation is better in the embedded environment.
Your videos are incredible! Keep it up!
12:35 let me guess, you were benchmarking on a debug executable with all optimisations disabled? C++ compilers disable optimisation by default.
14:42, yes, as expected
i have the huawei matebook 14 with intel core ultra 5 125h. it comes with a huawei pc manager. it lasts for 18hours in power saving mode. the app throttles the cpu but browsing and streaming experience is still great. but i doubt i can use that setting when i actually do real work. but at least it's good to have an option like that when you don't really need the cpus full power.
I may have missed it in the video - but in Windows, you must set to "best performance" power scheme. Otherwise, power management features will dramatically limit your performance. Interestingly, on the Qualcomm CPUs (similarly to M-arch on Macs) - if you stay on Best Performance while on battery - performance doesn't suffer. On Intel you can expect ~7% drop, on AMD a lot more. Using "Best Performance" while on battery will significantly hurt battery life though.
Hey sir, when you're benchmarking Intel Chip, please try it with Lenovo/Asus as Surface really doesn't have good Intel models! Lenovo 14th Gen laptops are quite quiet!
Great comparisons tho!
Pls do a test on Unity 3D Development ( I know unity had ARM version ) but I'm curios how it will perform.
VMware Hoziron also totally messes up the system when you try to run the newest version. The laptop literally locks up after a few minutes, you can barely even shut it down. There are some older versions which seem to run okay, but still it's not reassuring if that's how you connect to your corporate work VM and you'd like to work from a Surface Laptop 7.
really appreciate these reviews. I love my surface pro 7 but its battery life is terrible. It still does everything I need it to for now but may end up getting one of these beautiful surface laptop 7 soon..
Thank you for testing Thunderbolt 4 compatibility (which I figure is just using USB-4 standards over Thunderbolt, but at least it works).
I bought the 15in Surface Laptop 7, really baffles me though that the battery is only 66Wh, while the 13.8in has a 54Wh battery. You’re telling me with an extra 19.2 square inches of space (based of chassis dimensions) they could only fit another 12Wh worth of battery? Considering the cost and how it’s supposed to be their top end device, they really should’ve crammed a 100Wh battery in like Apple does for the largest MacBook Pros. Would’ve given a 50% boost in battery life and helped with long term degradation.
It would be awesome to hear a final verdict on xelite laptops.
BTW loved the videos, no one else is going to the depth to test xelite system.
It is a pain in the ass to swap laptop every time a new one comes out (too often.) with incremental upgrades. I'd rather wait longer for better upgrades but companies are greedy af
I would like to see a long term testing scores for these computers after the daily system updates that are always require for Windows. Maybe monthly to see how performance degrades over time.
The question is which powerprofile did you use? I notices on my Surface Laptop 7 with the Snapdragon X Elite that the recommended powerplan in the windows settings disables the dual core boost and therefore limits the clockspeed to 3400 Mhz. Would love to know if the X Elite performs similar to the x plus in battery life with the recommended power plan. That would mean you have best battery life that way while having the option to use dual core boost.
Do you think the plus will be good for web development or it will come with compromises?
No compromises for web developement. It's rly good with web apps
Hi Alex, first of all i wanna say thanks to you because of your super helpful videos. And secondly i wanna ask you something, personally i 2, 3 times reinstall windows in a year, so can you make video about it on arm chips. Is it still easy to reinstall windows on arm chips like x64, or should we expect more problems? I hope you will read this!
Tell us about UEFI and BIOS on arm
Thanks for the insight on SIMD and AVX2.
I'm waiting on a Chromebook with the Snapdragon X Plus to come out. Hopefully with a big battery.
I don't think they push this one any further, some of them are already discounted the Laptops just a few weeks after the release.. so they still had too many what nobody wanted..
I think that it is this close we are finally at the turning point for windows on ARM.. I wonder if we will get desktop processors anytime soon
Was there any mention about mAh? battery sizes? as when I googled,.. MBA 13" M3 = 4380 mAh, Surface 7 Snapdragon X Elite = 5806 mAh... Surface 7 Snapdragon X Plus = 4755 mAh
With that, I assume, both should last longer than the macbook, if not, that's bad. But also means that the Elite power efficiency is really bad if it looses against the Plus.
Where did you get those ? Also, unlike the smartphones, where you know the voltage (as 3.7 - 4.2, so roughly 4 volts), the battery capacity in ... everything else, is usually measured in Wh. Your numbers tell me nothing, since I don't know the voltage or if at least is the same between the devices. If it wasn't for the voltage, you could say that many smartphone have a bigger battery (at 5000 mAh) than M3 and Surface 7 Snapdragon X Plus, while it's beyond obvious that that's not the case here.
check out my video on the battery test where I go through that: How long can they last? | ULTIMATE BATTERY TEST
ua-cam.com/video/u1XJAOf_W5w/v-deo.html
Perhaps next time a storage intensive test, taking into account the price tag of having a machine with a storage of 2TB or 4 TB (which let apple look like a discounter offer?)
The interesting time will come if snapdragon equivalents for The Pro and Max apple Silicon appear, currently there is only competition on MBA level
That’s right, this is the best channel for developers. Let’s hope Microsoft improves and focuses on the quality control of their laptops.
Hey, we're looking at ideally getting the Surface Laptop 7 X Elite laptops for our data engineering team. We use a lot of Microsoft Visio and Microsoft Power Bi/other visualization tools/ ETL tools. Do you see any risk in this? I'd love to get these instead of the intel surface laptop 6 but want to be sure we can work on these new laptops without issues. thanks!
These things are not bad machines and will only get better. Rocky start, but a short time later things will iron out and they will become critically hard to compete against.
which one do you recommend for programming and devops staffs. No concern about camera, display, speakers, battery life and physical design.
Have you find answer for 12:18?
Where do you put these laptops after all the tests?
I bought the 15 inch Surface Laptop (elite model), and also a Galaxy Book4 Pro 360 (155H model)... so torn on which one to keep. I think the Surface is more powerful, and I think the build quality is slightly better... but the Galaxy's 3k amoled display, ability to fold into a tablet, and pen input is so good... ugh. What do I do Alex? lol. Will I actually notice much of a performance boost with the X Elite over the 155H?
Alex, have you disabled the option of decreasing display maximum brightness while on battery when measuring display brightness of MacBookAir?
Great videos, chap. Loving your X Elite coverage.
I'm a Visual Studio C# developer and host my SAAS app on Azure. I can't decide between Surface Pro 10 for business with 64GB RAM (expensive!) or the maxed out Surface Pro 11. I would sure love to speed up my compile times! Currently takes ~1 minute on my Surface Pro 7 with 16GB. I don't really care about battery life -- I'm always plugged in. Or the price. The only thing I really care about compile times. Any thoughts, Alex? Great video.
Quick question… which Surface model (by size) are you testing? The 13.8 or the 15? Apologies if this is a dumb question. I just can’t tell from the video. And do you have a preference and why?
@@jrpool88 xplus, xelite:13.8
Intel:13.5
He did mention it in the video.
@@dr.orange6509 thank you. My ADHD brain missed it. 😀. FYI, same macuinebi purchased and Inreally like it (fwiw).
Would you recommend this for a computer science student?
Great review. My big question is how is this handling 1/2 monitors, one running a 1080p/4K video(on Chrome) and one running Intellij or a game(no fancy titles)? As these laptops have no dedicated graphics cards, from personal experience with other ultrabooks, I wonder if this has any performance issues(video stuttering, drops in framerate, etc).
which one is best for coding programming mobile app development?
that's it I'm going to buy one of this, especially when android studio support the ARM Version, i thought it wouldn't be too long, since they already have the ARM Version for Mac
Why do all the Snapdragon machines only have so few ports? Would Dell Latitude 5350 with Intel core ultra 7 165U be a reasonable alternative to Surface Laptop 6?
What charger and cable would you recommend for the surface laptop 7 (via type C port)? Thanks. :)
Alex can you test idle time on sufrace laptops vs mac book air..... need to know if you leave the computer on sleep ready work on after charging how long would the surface stand on idle.
Can you share if idle time is consistent... Windows machines had issues after pulling out of a back pack without Joice after hybernating or put to sleep without shutting down for a while.
What about machine learning training on these machines ?
i like this guy...
Will you test surface pro with new snapdragon?
how do you get the beta drivers ....
Will you be testing strix point and lunar lake laptops in the future?
Very curious about Lunar Lake. Seems promising and it doesn't have any of the incompatibility issues.
@@shintarouemiya it’ll be interesting. Strix point won’t be on the 3nm node but I’m expecting a performance jump for zen 5 and new igpu.
Alex, all your videos comparing ARM devices are getting me hyped, although I still think they need to be cheaper for people to buy them. The great battery life and low fan noise in everyday use isn't a decisive factor because people have simply gotten used to it and see it as "meh."
I think if Microsoft changes the screen on the "x plus" chip versions to one that isn't so reflective and isn't touchscreen (as a developer, I don't know why anyone would want a touchscreen on a laptop; they should get a tablet instead), it would lower the price and make it a better product. Otherwise, I don't see many people choosing these over the MBA M3, and soon they will be even cheaper when the M4s come out.
It would be great to see comparisons between snapdragon elite laptops. The surface is not the only x elite.
Is x elite 7 has a reserved slot for storage?
Beautiful videos. Thumbs up
Great Content,
i own the surface laptop 7 myself.. but where do you even get that qualcomm driver update file ?!!!
if i want to run apk apps or emulation to run android can i on ARM Version snapdragon x elite ?
Love all your geeky tests. These are the things I do and appreciate there are others like me. I am specifically interested in the rendering compatibilities of Qualcomm chips. I use Resolve for video editing. I realize that Resolve ARM version is in beta but just how well does it work? Does hardware video acceleration work when exporting a video in AV1? How about Handbrake (which has an ARM version I believe)? Does it support hardware video decode/encode?
such a dope video
Why do you use a Macbook pro for your video editing?
I'm going to tell you guys something that'll hopefully clear your mind about the surface laptops 7. For the 13.8 inch, get the x plus its been proven that its better and more preferred than the x elite. However, if you will get the 15.6 inch, get the x elite since its literally the best and you're kind forced, lol, since there aren't any x plus for the 15.6 inch. All of this is proven thanks to the big man "Just Josh". Additionally, Alex is a top tier man. Go check out the video where he compared the intels, with the snapdragon and even with the m chips all by himself, What a beast man.
Hi can you install or dual boot in to ubun2 and do a geekbench on the x elite i know you previously tried on wsl but i would love to see the scores in native ubun2
Hey Alex if at all I need one snapdragon X elite laptop for Gen AI development what is your recommendation?
I wonder if IntelliJ Idea arm64 for Windows has android development plugin available. Maybe it will be compatible with windows for arm...
He makes great videos and useful
÷I really apreciate these videos and the effort put in them. I like the surface laptop 7 with the SD plus.
On MacOS you should have added -O3 to the compile command
Josh reviewed this and said the battery life on the surface pro 11 is not good. Battery life is the main reason I’m considering one. Now I’m on the fence.
i didn’t review the surface pro
@@AZisk my bad, I responded to the wrong video.
Tbh I learned a lot about x86 and arm thanks ❤🔥
New engineering standard - surface temp not to go over 45 C - so systems choke to cool. Just implemented last year's end - a new thing to check.
To prevent C++ people to yell at you wrongly setting the flags, just use Rust and dont forget set itu to release build
(I assume the windows would use native windows compiler and mac would probably use clang, thus this yup this is not apple to apple benchmark)
Nice one, could you do a review with the lenovo yoga 7x with the x elite chip ?
Is it possible to also make Linux tests on these SnapX machines?
I'm curious how's the battery and performance there, as most devs utilize Linux envs.
anyboby used davinci resolve on x elite ? does it utilizes gpu ?