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Angry Nerd Lies About His Friends On Reddit, They Expose Him
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00:00 INTRO
01:31 LIES
10:40 EXPOSE
22:07 THE MELTDOWN
Thanks to @CritCrab for the edit!
This is one of the first stories I ever covered hahaha
I recall original, although hoped it will be some new story full of OP's lies
Awesome vid, keep it up!
Truly one of the stories ever
I happily anticipate the uprising of the crabs
For those curious, it's this video that's the original
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Lessons to learn from this situation:
1. When caught lying, say you misunderstood the situation.
2. Claim ignorance of the seriousness of how others feel.
3. Always leave out the stuff that makes you look bad- like the truth.
its the only way
The question is, are they lying or just lacking any self-awareness whatsoever and incapable of self-reflection? Actually that might just be worse lol
works everytime!
@@noelnotcole7940 Even if they're had that clueless (which I seriously doubt cuz he "conveniently" forgot to include all that relevant information), it's still not an excuse.
@@noelnotcole7940 I mean either way I’d never want a player like that. At absolute BEST, they’re ignorant and can hurt people without knowing. At worst, they’re a master manipulator that doesn’t care who gets hurt.
When he said that "they made the entire party uncomfortable" I think that was probably the biggest dead giveaway that not only were they clearly the problem player, but that they were omitting HEAVY amounts of information
Yeah after that ops story falls apart completely
Bold of you to assume it's a "he"
As soon as I heard him say, "I am going to add my player later to give detail when it comes into play," I immediately knew a lot of information was going to be left out
When OP does their darndest to make themselves look good and STILL comes off horribly, you know it's gotta be bad.
@@sexylazercatwizard Oh shit you're right, sorry.
My dad used to say…”if one person calls you an A-hole, its maybe them. If 20 people call you an A-hole, its probably not the 20 people who are wrong” this reminded me of that
@@77Jabbawockeez ... even the ancient greeks knew it was round
Round like a coin.
No wonder OP needed to vent, they were an impostor
Among us 1!1!1
YO THAT WAS SMOOTH
🥶 🥶 🥶
I like to imagine it's all one person with multiple alt accounts talking to himself to create drama in the thread.
Dude, that would be a helluva plot twist
Not 100% unrealistic on this era...
Wouldn't even phase me, given how things are nowadays. But I wonder if there's some credence? There wasn't a whole lot of variation on word choices and writing style between people. Who knows? 🤷♀️
That’s absolutely hilarious
Someone said the best way to get an answer on Reddit is to answer your own question incorrectly on an alt account. Someone will always correct you and call you dumb haha
"I tried to defend my actions overthe last few days as part of consistent roleplay"
This sounds like doublespeak for 'its what my character would do'
Depends on the context as it is not always the bad thing. I was playing that card during a session where we told by the GM to do a war crime and I said hell no as my character who was good wouldn’t do a war crime particularly one as horrific as what the GM tried to railroad me to do. I even tried coming up suggestions in-character to resolve the conflict without committing war crimes.
"It's what my character would do" is such a bullshit excuse. Who made the character? Oh? It was you, was it? How come you made him into an unlikeable asshole, with no redeeming qualities, that nobody would be able to be around for more then 8 seconds? Also, I think you can't just slap a "neutral good" label on someone who eats people for fun. But maybe I'm just crazy.
@@MisterNightfish it's like the OP didn't want the stigma of being chaotic neutral so made them neutral good while acting like the meme of a problem players version of chaotic neutral
@@Kris-wo4pj I have allowed chaotic neutral characters in my games twice. Never again. Never. Again.
@@MisterNightfish
Idk, I find it is actually a valid excuse at times, but it sucks that the toxic part of the community constantly uses the line to do horrible stuff, play deluded/screwed up fantasies or to excuse being inconsiderate to characters OOC.
Like it's a good line to use, but it is always used defensively to excuse behaviour which actively harms the other characters or even sometimes the players.
It’s funny the OP claims the party are murderhobos… when he threatened to kill the characters multiple times, canibalize a player, and even try to kill NPC’s
In the screenshots the party sent, you can see him telling the party how easily he could kill them using sickening radiance.
So pathetic :/
Did he ever DENY being one?
@@PaladinGear15 can you send a link to them?
When will they learn.
Admitting you fucked up and holding that L is temporary.
Trying to not admit it and holding that L will last forever.
Genuinely. At first I wanted to talk about OPs problem with self awareness and helpful ways to monitor your behavior and others feelings.
Then it became obvious that OP did not care at all and continued to dig a hole.
One of the important things I've ever heard was the phrase, "if everyone else is an asshole, maybe you're the problem." I couldn't agree more with that sentiment, and I think this story is a shining example of that phrase
Yep,the question "Wait, am _I_ the drama?" will set you free.
but this isnt always true and a dangerous concept to concistently uphold, you do realize bullies/drams starters/lies etc mass en groupes right? a whole group could go along with a lie or a twist /exassuration of a story JUST to tag team against the real singled out victim. and because he is one and they are many everyone thinks its okay and they are right and he is wrong.. majority doesnt always rule or make right. look at this world, the majority are twisted jerks, doesnt makie it okay? majority made rac*sim a thing? is rac*sim ok? no. Never! is r*pe? ew no.. but, that was majoritied out at one point too (and stoning women with their unborn babies and burning false witches/etc) ( ignored ,looked away, allowed... theyd wed young teen girls to creepy seasoned men back in the old days, hard times or not...this is WRONG yet everyone defended it and made any rebel girl the problem??? and didnt let women vote or do certain sports or jobs etc? that was many against one/few and they were also wrong. i could point out many times this argument can be wrong and has failed. so its case by case scenerios! nothing is 100% solid. ive learned that the hard way lmao... and its helped a lot.
@@soulzuniverse5097 Yeah, no shit. I'm aware this isn't always the case, but it damn well is 9/10 times. Didn't ask for a damn essay on it
@@MasterOfKnowledge. You made a public comment on a public video and case... people are allowed to speak out. if you cant handle that maybe think next time before getting on the internet and saying stuff? ... your reaction to a normal commented view point what ever is a bit much lmao..sorry
@@soulzuniverse5097 The only reason I responded like I did is because you're acting like I'm naive and that shit is way too condescending for me not to lash out at it. Don't really have the energy to deal with that kind of stuff anymore
Brian gang, rise up and remember that lying is very rude, and you shouldn't trash other people's reputation to get clout!
Hell yeah.
Brian gang unite!!
👏
And trashing the reputations of other players is just really dumb anyways because the whole thing is anonymous.
thanks brian gang
Ahhh yes, the classic "I'm better then these people cause i left out the bad parts of me" story. Usually 90% of these RPG horror stories are this
In my experience, more like 40%, like in most subs AFAICT. But yeah, any given one can be false.
For all we know all the stories we heard on this channel could be invented by this crab and we couldn't ever know the truth
@@GarkKahn who cares. It's reddit 99% of the stories are fake until proven otherwise. Never believe a word anyone says online unless ya have atleast 3 credible sources for it.
Then why listen or read them if you are so nihilistic you assume that everything and anything anyone tells you is a lie?
@@gabrote42 that may be more true tbh
I think this is the truth about every single "horror story" I've ever read or heard. The OP will always present themselves in the most positive light, even tossing out a few mild criticism to make you think they're being objective. You're only ever given one side of the story.
I was about to comment this exact thing. There are always 2 sides to every story.
Sometimes stories are corroborated by screenshots or other witnesses, but some other times yeah, the first thing that comes to mind is "this belongs in r/thathappened".
Biggest red flag for me is either going a lot into detail or overdramatizing specific events or exchanges.
Well, those that are not literally made up wholesale
@@ZorotheGallade I'm not saying the OP is always lying, but they always play down their own shortcomings. Some to to a greater degree than others. You're never getting the full story.
I assume most reddit stories are lies, but still suspend my disbelief because they're certainly written by creative writers
I take all these stories with a grain of salt. The ones that make my eyebrow rais, are the ones where the “problem players’” reactions seem disproportionate to whatever the OP described. That probably means the OP is omitting details.
I recall back near the start of this channel, there was an anthology of videos about one problem player. By the last story, the OP was so up their own butt about tearing down this person, that the OP themselves became the horror story. The player they described was hardly doing anything seriously wrong, but the OP reveled in their failings so much, it called into question all the previous stories.
Was it the Ross Files? OP there does about the same thing, albeit this story was considerably more recent in Critcrab's story
Yeah, there have been a couple where someone was probably acting badly at the beginning, but it has since clearly reached "bitch eating crackers" level, where it doesn't matter what the so called problem player does, OP is going to take exception to it.
@@hadespuppy there's a few neckbeard stories like that. It's gets funny cuz ya have that stigma of the "villian" in the story then it turns sad cuz ya feel bad for the villain then anger cuz it's obvious OP is just a prick to a poor innocent person that OP found mildly annoying but won't just stop interacting with said person.
@@Kris-wo4pj people gotta get away from the mindset that the mere presence of a problem player is a horror story. Dealing with people you don’t get along with is just part of life, it’s not something you need to run to Reddit about
@@d.tsukuyomi1869 Do you know where those are located?
See, I’m autistic, and while I love DnD, socializing is difficult for me at the best of times. For someone like me, it’s entirely possible I might not pick up on the social cues and discomfort other people are trying to show without being rude, which only confuses me.
But that’s why if/when I play, I own up to my own limitations - I tell them that I might have issues dealing with things in the moment, that I’m not good at reading between the lines, so if someone wants me to do something, *tell it to my face.* I was willing to give OP the benefit of the doubt, until the entire parade crashed down around them, showing they telegraphed their disdain so hard it was brighter than Vegas Strip.
OP might still not fully understand what they did wrong. They might also understand what they did wrong, or the apologies are a reflexive behavior. I can’t tell. But as someone who wishes they could play and has their own set of difficulties:
1: Please don’t let OP color other people who are socially challenged, especially if they point it out to you. A lot of us want to have fun too, but we never got to learn the nuances of how social norms from making friends to getting heard work.
2: To all my fellows - “better to eat crow while it’s young and tender than to eat it when it’s old and tough.” It might be hard to disclose what you have, and there’ll be those who shun you. But from my experience, it pays off a lot to point your difficulties out, and help work for everyone to accommodate to each other.
i also wondered if OP was some type of neurodivergent, but i'm gonna be honest, i'm not diagnosed with anything and parts of this sound like something i would have done when i was younger. also i'm sure you can find a group who are willing to work with your set of qualities, tons of autistic people play DnD.
I guess I'm kind of neurodivergant but also grew up very socially isolated so I'm also really bad at picking up on some of these things as well, and sometimes even been scorned for apologizing for stepping on toes without realizing and asking people to be more direct if I did something that bothered them and was told I should get professional help and I should be able to just pick up on indirect signs.
So I kind of get where OP was trying to make it sound like he was coming from but it's definitely not good to try and twist the truth to try to get internet clout. And there does reach a point where you have to look at yourself too. Some people never tell you they have problems until they let it blow up, which isn't good either.
Though, all the people piling on him was kind of triggering. lol
I'm also autistic and have been mistreated because of other people's misinformed or outright nasty assumptions about what that means for me to be extremely wary of 'Just telling people'. I've made plenty of mistakes that were down to cluelessness rather than intentional ignorance or intent and I didn't know I was autistic until a few years ago. Still, I seldom tell people because I don't feel able to trust that they won't start treating me as if I'm an idiot or assuming that I'm not capable of empathy.
There is so much that is important about this.
Even for neurotypical people. there are lots of different social cultures. Some things might be ok with one group of people but not ok for a different group- even if everyone belongs to the same broader culture (whether it's something like nationality or even something more specific like "D&D players"). And, especially if you're getting together with relative strangers, whether it's a D&D group or coworkers, you never know all the little social norms and quirks everyone has. The best way to deal with conflict in these situations is always to assume it's a misunderstanding and not malice and confront it kindly but directly- whether or not you know that someone has autism, or if they're socially awkward, or if they're from a different culture.
Clear communication is just a good practice. Period.
I'm not autistic, but I have had many autistic friends who have better social skills than lots of neurotypical people (including neurotypical friends of mine). An innate understanding of social cues is not enough to make somebody good at socializing. That requires a willingness to accept that others will often see things differently from you, to listen when somebody tells you their needs, and just straight up caring about other people and their feelings (because, of course, you don't need to be able to innately sense what someone's feelings are to want them to be happy). There are plenty of neurotypical people completely unwilling to do any of that.
Whether you're neurotypical or neuroatypical, intent and effort are the keys to not being an asshole.
Part of the problem neurotypical people sometimes have is a tendency overly rely on their knowledge of social cues or their "empathy" (I put it in quotes because sometimes it's more projection than empathy) and assume they understand things about another person that they simply don't. Or the reverse, where people expect others to understand their wants and feelings, even when that's an unreasonable expectation from anybody.
Basically, from my perspective, whether or not someone is autistic has little bearing on whether or not they'll be a fun person to play D&D with (or be friends with in general). Does it help to know that someone might need more explicit information when it comes to social cues and social rules? Sure. But most of us should be a lot more specific and clear in our communication and a lot slower to rush to judgment of people's intentions, anyway.
And, in the end, what actually matters is whether or not someone gives a crap about other people and whether or not they're willing to exert the effort to try and make things fun for everybody instead of just themselves. Plenty of autistic people fit this bill. Plenty of neurotypical people don't. And vice-versa.
I've played with many people on various points if the spectrum. I've also played with assholes. Trust me when I say there's a huge difference in someone not picking up on social cues and someone else not giving a fuck.
I'm 100% of the games I've been in with autistic people you can politely bring up the social cues being missed, usually the group has a laugh at how wrong things could have gone (never at the player, mind you) and we move on.
When it's an asshole player they gaslight, make a scene, and hold up the game because they understood how it was wrong but refuse to accept.
I honestly have trouble detecting when people are lying, as I tend to take things at face-value and just assume people are telling the truth. So I generally take all the various horror stories with at least a small grain of salt. Even now, as clear as it is that OP is the Problem, I'm also taking what the rest of the party is claiming with some salt (albeit a much smaller grain than with OP). OP's constant apologizing and backtracking, to me, tells me that they're panicking and thus not thinking clearly. The fact that the DM does like the guy in spite of it all also suggests to me that OP may genuinely be unaware of just how problematic they were being.
All of that said, this does not excuse any of OP's behavior.
Personally, I don't find their constant apologizing and self-pitying statements funny. I find them sad. Rather than taking the time to actually introspect _on their own,_ to look at their behavior, where they went wrong, and what they might do to correct that behavior so as not to ruin any future socializing, they are instead focused on _publically_ apologizing and making declarations of self-harm as some sort of "penance." _Do NOT do this!_ OP needs to actually take the time to learn how to be a better person. If they're actually suffering as much as they claim, then they need to seek therapy.
Honestly the best analysis in the comments here
Well i used to be very innocent and easy to deceive but after a while of being lied to i became almost the oppossite of that, still i conserve a little innocence, so i always have to give them a 10% chance of doubt even when i'm talking to someone that i can easily identify as a pathological liar
But i know it's more "i want to believe" rather than "i think it's telling the truth"
Anyone who leans on "I didn't know it was wrong/it was a joke" repeatedly isn't actually trying to do better in good faith.
@Raye_Wonderland Dude op was already doing it to themselves don’t make it worse
I can find something sad and funny at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive feelings to me in every scenario.
If a dude is kicked and blocked, the dude must have done something extremely bad.
Exactly..that sort of thing is usually the result of a general, or at least majority consensus that comes about after a lengthy discussion, or if the problem person does something so out of line that it simply can't be ignored
Well... in this case yeah, but you'd be surprised.
I once got kicked and blocked because I wanted to roll my character's stats before I wrote my backstory (naturally my stats would effect my backstory) but the DM pointed to this meaning "all you care about is your statblock, if all you care about is stats, you shouldn't be playing D&D" then kicked and blocked me xD
@@PaladinGear15yeah, assuming someone who is blocked / banned is automatically in the wrong is a bit naive.
I was once banned because my name was almost a swear word… in Nigerian.
@@MrSqurk Hah, that's reaching. Some people have to learn to chill x_x
Eh some times someone realy does find themselves in unfortunate situation of being the only normal person in a group of terible people but that's dosent sound lime what's happening here
I once exposed someone being ableist and overall horrible veteran DM, with proof via screenshots.
Her response against this overwhelming evidence was to say both it was a long time ago, so she doesn't remember, *AND* that it was taken out of context.
I do agree ppl can change, and that context does matter
I guess it entirely depends on what they said tho. Sometimes context doesn’t matter and personally find that if they’ve done it within the past 2 years, they’re probably the same type of person
@@ma.2089 Ableist slurs thrown at me, who Is on the spectrum, and with her KNOWING I am on said spectrum.
Moreover, deeply offending me like calling me "garbage DM" who's "ruining TTRPGs" just because my DMing style Is "wrong".
This was this year still.
Ah yes, hit them with the ol' one-two.
Also "it was a long time ago" when it was within a year i.e. bullshitting.
Typical Narcissist's Prayer: "That didn't happen. And if it did, it wasn't that bad. And if it was, that's not a big deal. And if it is, that's not my fault. And if it was, I didn't mean it. And if I did, you deserved it."
@@mqfii8992 Depending on how old she was, she may well see less than a year as a long time. I'm in my thirties, so a year isn't very long at all. When I was fifteen, it was a subjective eternity.
I feel sorry for OP. He likely didn't understand what he was doing himself. The group was right to kick him and he was a problem. I think he just needs time and introspection to grow up.
Definitely, but they also need to own up to what they did, and accept that they were told they were a problem and that they ignored it.
To me it just sounds like a narcissist that got caught lying and is now panicking still trying to garner trust and sympathy.
@@Shoefae i firmly disagree. When a narcissist apologizes he blames you. He says he didn't realize he was doing wrong. OP put the blame on himself in the end, which a narcissist can't do.
@@IronicCliche Unless they are also manipulative enough to garner sympathy instead
It's a hard case to identift OP's attitude with just texts but eh
@@IronicCliche And what do you mean narcissist put blame on themselves all the time, it’s a manipulation tactic to garner sympathy. There are police interrogation room videos that go into depth on how narcissists think, and it’s working on you lol he’s also pretty obviously being sarcastic at the end dude. You thought he was being serious? lol
The apology part would be great in a basic text to speech bot.
The fact that he kept reiterating “I didn’t know such and such was a problem” was what gave it away and how everyone in the group was enjoying themselves except him. The latter made me think that he was hiding something. But the fact that OP won’t own up to anything makes me believe he’s gonna be problematic wherever he goes.
I think it's important to take any story from subreddits and forums like these with a planet sized grain of salt. They are often written to be as inflammatory as possible and once a certain type of bait becomes popular, people will start inserting as much bait as they can to get clicks. You see it all the time in r/AITA.
The types of players who play the super righteous "holier than thou" characters are usually worse than the types of players who just straight up play murder hobos in my experience.
As a player who's played a super-righteous "holier-than-thou" character or three, can confirm.
I have no idea why I keep getting invited back. If I'm not playing a 40k-flavored cleric (because "paladins lack conviction"), I'm playing a greasy thief who'd get a serious talking-to from HR about why we shouldn't talk that way about our coworkers (and it's worse if it wasn't in jest!), a cowardly wizard, or an elf.
What about if you purposely make the “righteous” character an unlikable jerk who has to improve on it later? Does that count?
@@cosmicspacething3474 I like sheep
@@woodstock7799 what-
@@cosmicspacething3474 I think that's where things like a session 0 are in order. The other players and DM absolutely need to know about that sort of plan and boundaries to set so that "unlikable" doesn't become "your character's death in Game of Thrones would be met with cheers," among other things such as what the other players would be comfortable with versus uncomfortable or even creeped out/afraid.
"If you one day met an asshole. it's normal.
But if you met an asshole everyday. You're the asshole."
exception for customer service, cashier, server, or other similar job where you directly met many customer everyday.
I can just imagine OP having NPC conversations with himself while the DM and other party members sit stunned in a corner. lol
I have 3 rules in all my games.
1.) you can be who ever/ what ever you want but if your character can’t work with the team make a new character.
2.) Be an adventurer/Shadowrunner/ investigator… if you don’t want to go on the adventure make a new character.
3.) Actions have consequences… do something stupid and get yourself killed … you guessed it Make a new character.
I think I can start to see a pattern here
@@delfinenteddyson9865 ding ding ding. Someone get this guy a New Character lol
@@AnimeNPC. D:
Yeah, I had problem number 2 with my first character. See the main reason he was adventuring was to earn money to send home to his old frail parents, and my brother played a Wizard who owed money to the mafia because of magic school debt.
But then our Samurai won an entire Barony in a bet and we had more gold and platinum that we could spend, to say nothing of the entire (Poor) village, (haunted) mansion, and (Deadly and invasive) magical forest to run. I and my brothers characters both had the realization that our starting motivation for being on this adventure was gone. But we soon figured that we had spent enough time together with the party that our characters would still want to stay with them out of loyalty. On top of that the wizard also loved enchanting and carpentry and the magic forest's trees that had great enchantment properties. My character meanwhile, wanted to stay because he could hunt magical creatures for cool reagents and hides whilst also being a hero. But still, we had a few days between sessions agonizing over how to RP our characters staying on the team... Aaaand then Covid hit and made us have to end the game.
My character doesn't want to go around adventuring with the party or be with the party at all but he doesn't have choice, also his twin brother (other player) is sticking with party so he have to tolerate them
Just wait, there’s gunna be a super plot twist where OP has proof that everyone is in-fact, ganging up on them. Great vid as always
"It started with the Ranger player's inspiration for the character as an emotionally broken war veteran who is quite literally a hobo"
*Numenorian music increases*
*Bafflingly, Rambo music also increases*
In a situation where my group was expected to just readily accept someone who committed a crime like this back into the party, I don't think I could reconcile that with playing a good or lawful character either. In a situation like that where the DM was pushing this character back into the party, I'd just say my original character left and would roll up a new one.
Granted, that isn't actually what happened, but it's an interesting hypothetical.
Honestly, this entire story doesn't add up well to me. I wouldn't expect a player this prone to lying and throwing other people under the bus to cave to pushback and become apologetic this quickly. People like this usually double down and get even more aggressive when they experience pushback. From a narcissist's or pathological liar's point of view, they simply have nothing to lose from doubling down and nothing to gain from getting defensive or apologetic. Something like this really doesn't seem right here, I think we _still_ haven't gotten the full story.
Honestly, I think OP knew playing victim wouldn't work so playing the overly remorseful self flagellation card to still try and retain sympathy and in some cases even make it look like the rest are ganging up on him is a common step as well.
That is absolutely NOT the case. I had a coworker for years who was a nightmare to work with because he was a 28 year old man aggressively hitting on the high school girls who we worked with and making them uncomfortable. He was also a friend of the GM, and whenever he was confronted about his actions by anyone he would put on a sad face and claim he didn't MEAN to make anyone uncomfortable, blame his lack of social skills, promise to change, and then go right back to actions after being let off with a warning.
@@loose668 Yeah, but in real life, narcissists actually _do_ have something to gain from playing remorseful. They might hope to avoid consequences that way. Among anonymous people on the internet, that motive falls away completely.
@@tarvoc746You keep saying “narcissist” but that’s pretty unwarranted in this situation. Being socially oblivious and kind of an ass hole (nothing OP did was THAT bad) isn’t a personality disorder
@@blazaybla22 Can't say anything to that. It's been one year, I don't even know what this story was about anymore.
Soon as I heard OP use the word "woefully" in the apology, i lost any remaining shreds of sympathy.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate and say this:
We've already seen a horror story covering a "cult" around an abusive DM. Who's to say that this isn't the case here again? The OP may have indeed been in the right and the comments left by other players could have easily been slander, coordinated in-between each other in order to discredit OP
You never know for sure, need *receipts* to believe either side.
And as a person who had been in OPs situation (no that doesn't make me the a-hole, there are genuinely groups out there who are vitriolic or have their own "atmosphere" which they dislike having disrupted by newcomers, seen this before on this very channel too), this happens. It's difficult to tell who's truthful and who's not
The way the DM of the game describes OP's faults, however, is simply comically bad, in a "you gotta be making this up" way. Monologuing about leveling up? Roleplaying murdering and eating other characters (despite them still being alive afterwards, presumably)? Is it just me or that sounds far less believable than what OP was describing Ranger to be doing?
More to the point, with the way the videos are titled, the comment section often becomes an echo chamber repeating the opinion and expectations set by the title too. It's strange that nobody questions the truthfulness of what the comments under the post are saying
to be fair, he does,, admit to the accusations leveled against him and he doesn't argue with the rest of em either, just says how bad he feels. i agree that it's impossible for us to know exactly what happened, but i would say this one seems fairly likely.
@@keegs3432 yeah but you might be missing one crucial detail:
People don't always lash out in anger when wrongfully accused. Some really are just *hurt* by what's being said and he doesn't want to start a war in the comments because let's be honest - he's alone against a whole gang, and everyone who reads their comments immediately takes their side because echo chamber effect. He's not gonna achieve anything by doing so, which is why he's posted caricature apology comments (let's be honest, those look extremely forced and over the top) just to chill everyone out
@@jpjfrey5673It’s not just that he’s alone against a gang but that nearly everyone who reads it knows there’s something sus about it
Just because some people are saying that things were different, doesn't mean that the other perspectives is also true. Maybe everyone is just lying because the game is meant to be oh so secret that nobody wants the true story to be exposed onto the internet, or it's only told in such a vague way with Out of Character shenanigans.
Yeah, saying that OP is the real problem assumes that the other players are telling the truth. OP might have been an issue, but the others could have been out to get him, too, and made them out worse than they really were.
I mean it's possible, but it's more likely that one person is lying rather than multiple people are lying. Especially because OP went from "They never told me" to "Oh, I didn't know it was that serious" when an honest person would say "wait, that never happened".
Maybe they aren't all entirely honest in their replies, but it definitely seems that OP was the problem.
@@phabiorules you've never been in a situation where people just hate each other/make poor choices and antagonize each other accidentally/deliberately escalate conflicts? It doesn't have to be outright fabrication, just people being dicks and spinning events in their favour
"I wish someone had told me" -OP
"I wish someone had listened" -The rest of the table probably
The cringe at the end of this video, ugh
Drake could fuel his cringe thirst for a month on those alone.
*"Other members tell their side of the story"*
"No I don't agree."
Yep that's how that works.
You can agree or disagree with reality
8:32 this reminds me of an interesting “philosophy” I suppose you could call it, that said “if you meet one a-hole, they’re probably the a-hole, but if everyone you meet are a-holes, you’re probably the a-hole”. Just thought I’d share that.
I noticed that in the original post, OP jumbles up the timeline. Like, they skip around from point end, to point middle, to point middle end, to point beginning, to point post-end. I feel like that might be an indication a post is less trustworthy than it seems since it will confuse the reader to not properly think about the chain events.
Book at the beginning: Thats so cool! Its rare that you get to do something like that. It reminds me of "Record of Lodoss War," which was based off of someone's game way back when.
I love your content. I always have either you or drake in the background when i work on my family's farm. (Sorry if my spelling/grammar is incorrect.)
Also, Hello from Sweden.
Hello from America. How is your country this time of year? I hope to one day visit it.
As someone who had a bad falling out that was my fault…
Saying “I’m sorry” means JACK SHIT if that is everything the person does and… doesn’t change their behaviors.
Adding harm threats is just… guilt tripping showboating
Honestly, I cannot wholeheartedly agree with “if whole party is having fun and one man don’t, it’s his fault and problem is with him”. Especially after last video about “two hot lesbians”. It is possible, but not likely, that whole party is toxic af. It seems different here, though. Mainly because of responses of OP, who dug his own grave
Funny you mentioned that story, that was (to me) an incredibley fake sounding story.
So before the rest of the party even comments, you can read between their doublespeak to hear them say:
1. "It's what my character would do!"
2. "I turned my weapons against my party members, repeatedly."
3. "They didn't explicitly SAY I had to avoid this bad behavior when we started."
4. "It's just roleplay bro."
5. "I don't understand why everyone hates me."
6. "We have to ALL get along? Ew gross."
7. "Playing my character how I want is more important than the group getting along."
8. "Why didn't anyone approach me? The GM doing it doesn't count!"
I haven't been able to watch a lot of UA-cam until recently, so I've missed a lot of your videos. I picked the perfect video to jump back in on.
I would LOVE to see the DM’s version of the story, the OP who made the original post is a total nutcase!
Hello adventurers! Today's lesson from Unc Orc...How to Deal Properly With In Group Issues.
First....identify if you are overly sensitive or a jerk...or both. If the answer is YES, then shut your trap and suck it up.
If the answer is NO...
Next, tell the DM about the issue and ask for permission to...
Speak and/or message directly the party or parties the issue involves.
One of the big underlying goals of D&D, for some, is communication and coming out of one's shell. This cannot fully be achieved if we as player's are too cowardly, shy, self-entitled (treating DM like servant to do the dirty work), or any combination of the three to speak our truths (which a fair number rage about silently or verbally to those that will listen) to another.
It is not comfortable to bring what makes us uncomfortable out into the light, so some find any excuse to avoid "confrontation". Most times when folks run to the DM to fix something they feel is a problem with another player it does not end well.
So...human up! And use your adult voice and come correct.
Keep rolling 20s!
One quick note to this: I *am* an overly sensitive person, but it doesn’t negate how I may be feeling. It’s why, if I ever have an issue at the table, I bring it to a trusted second and ask them if it’s an issue based in something legitimate. Then I can go to the DM or what have you to discuss the issue and resolve it.
It’s infallibly useful to have a grounded person to use as a sounding board. Sometimes, I’ll use them as a “what if” machine, a devil’s advocate, so I know if I actually believe what I’m saying and I’m not just being stubborn to a fault.
I feel like a lot of gaming horror stories fall under this sort of he said she said, but the group never responds because it is made under op's sock puppet account or the details are so inaccurate they think, "this cannot be our problem warlock; the dm told them several times to stop and this one was surprised."
There are two sides to every argument and the other side is typically bad at stating any point but their own.
It’s always a red flag for me when someone drops the line, “I’m not mad, just hurt.” It always feels so patronizing and pity-seeking to me, that I feel compelled to take their tale of woe with a big ole grain of salt.
It does to me as well; if someone actually treated me the way OP was claiming his group had, I'd be royally pissed and the very thought of saying something like that would make me want to gag.
"I'm mad and hurt" is a more realistic thing to say
This is a bit more technical, but look at how liars construct their sentences. If you look between the original and the comments, you can see a total tone shift. Frankly, the some of the OP's comments sound like the sort of stuff you'd hear a politician spout
I love when OPs try to sound like they’re in some Shakespearean play when they stuff like “so woefully limited” while also completely incompetent with grammar and spell check
Is it me or like 99% of these stories sound so fake. Like how crazy is it that op lies and suddenly everyone else in the party feels compelled to go and epicly debunk him and call his bs out on Reddit?
Yeah. This is definitively fake. Not only did every single party member HAPPEN to stumble upon the post, but their stories were too cohesive. Humans don't have perfect memories, it's one thing to more or less remember how something went but you don't consistently remember the exact numbers and such
This genuinely bothers me because an autistic person, the first scenario is something I could definitely see myself getting into. The more strict morality, missing cues, accidentally making people uncomfortable and not knowing it, asking where they went wrong so that they can know better, that would be all me. But to then see that it's pretty clear what happened and that the DM was actually being communicative and trying to get ahead of the issue, and this person not only feins innocence but drags their group online?
Man, get that garbage out of here.
Holy crap. That reply from the DM was a scathing condemnation.
I love where there are responses, rebuttals, and additional parts to stories.
I feel like I heard you tell this story before in 2 separate videos way back in the day. It was a good story so I'm happy to see you go over it for anyone who missed it!
I think first OP regrets posting this story. His apology is pretty funny though XD
"Apology"
Th constant zoom ins on the bad grammar text got me 😂😂😂
"I can do any day except monday"
"after hearing that, I can only exclusively do monday"
"That's weird, you don't have a job or any responsibilities, why?"
"*DEAD SILENCE*"
nah fr some people out here just deliberately fucking with plans kick 'em
"I am sorry I was a shitty player. I wish someone had told me."
By the looks of things, they did - several times in fact - and the OP never got the message until they were booted.
The only thing worse than someone who lies to others, is people who lie to themselves and then tell the “truth” to others. His only insight was when he said “it’s obviously a delusion”, a Freudian slip.
The stories that raise the red flags are the ones with flowery writing. If they have the time to come up with words that make us drop our phones and pick up a dictionary every five minutes, they have time to spin the tale in their favor.
And there are stories like this one, which just make me scream "get to the point."
Lastly, OP sounds like my ex girlfriend. When I called her out on all the crap she's done, the best she could do was "I'm sorry *if* I offended you." Silver lining, my BS detector is much better than before, and it was loud during this video.
TBF, I don't think that's necessarily the case. I wouldn't think there are many circumstances where someone would be writing while under serious time pressure, so why wouldn't they 'have time' to write however they choose? I write in a way that some might call 'flowery'; I'm a proofreader and knowing my words is literally my job. I can't see why a story someone has spent time writing to make it more readable is automatically suspicious. Maybe taking time over a story just means they don't want to post an incoherent mess. You may not like longer posts, and that's fine, but that doesn't make them suss. It also depends on what you call 'flowery', which is subjective.
As the old saying goes, "If you're smelling crap everywhere you go, check the bottom of your shoes."
Oddly enough, I've seen a number of people in Reddit encouraging some of the creators of the stories HERE on Critcrab to do the same thing: make full-length novels out of their RP experiences.
As for the OP getting ripped apart, their lack of self-awareness, AND getting ripped apart by the other players...OH CRAP! I THINK WE'VE GOT A DELTA HERE (from the Sierra Saga).
Judging by what I've seen on Kindle and Audible, no small number of people have taken the advice.
The results are not always good.
Delta? Doesn't give me that vibe... Delta was a Cult of personality leader with the toxicity of a nuclear weapon. This poor sod was like an obnoxious and unaware that guy who couldn't convince his own mama in a pantomime
"I didn't realize my behaviour was out out of hand, but that is no reason to slander me."
He says after writing an entire essay slandering his dnd group and them defending themselves against the slander directed at them.
Holy shit theabsolute hypocrisy and lack of awareness
It's pretty clear that O.P. left out details that would likely incriminate them.
"Its inconsistent with my character" is a very covoluted way to say "its what my character would do"
The plot twists, complexity of drama, what a top-tier horror story. Thank you Mr evolution sir
I would rather hear a story where the OP went, "yeah so hear is a story of when I Eff'ed up a campaign by being a murder hobo." than find out he lied to us the whole time.
This apology was like the BP oil guy in south park.
Nah it reminds of a Baseball commenter who sparked a meme in the sport when he tried to apologize to the act that got him fired (he was supposed to cover the rest of the game before he got the pink slip) only to interrupt to commentate on the game.
I just want to know one thing. How did OP type out all those apologies in the comments with his hands clearly occupied with flogging himself in penance?
I spit my drink out. That's funny. 😂 I'd say speech to text?
I really hope the op gets the help needed. Yes, I know I should hate them but sometimes a person needs is friends and guidance on how to improve oneself. No one deserves to be alone forever.
I do agree they need help in some capacity, but it's ultimately up to them to get it.
No one actually wants him to not get help, they just want him to stop lying and own up for what he did.
this was insane lmfao. another great video, critcrab
Well, if you trash your buds you don't deserve any.
It’s like manipulative assholes never consider that as soon as they realize they’ve been manipulated, no one wants to be their friend anymore.
@@zacharysieg2305 Yup, been there. Hung out with guys who'd sell my friendship for just a bit of clout. Eventually decided I didn't need them. Been happier with the knowledge no matter who they try to turn against me, or how many lies they spread, or the fact they even need to validate their useless self important lives at my expense I'd always laugh at them while holding them out at arms length.
Not a comfortable way to exist, but I never required someone else's approval to exist, so it's a smart way to exist.
Thete's some big brain shit right there.
😆
I'm just here to point out the Great Pretender thumbnail and say that's pretty cool
Same reason I clicked on the video. It's both surprising and great to spot another fan in the wild.
This is a whole detective case, loved the different perspectives!
"It's over Anakin! I have the high ground." He shouted from the bottom of a sewer.
Man, OP sounds like a guy I played with. The 'No warning aside from this one character' was a red flag. There's always little signs, even with people who aren't good at speaking up for themselves. You can pick up on social cues, or hear out when someone calls you out. And then play the 'I'm sorry, I didn't know I was such an ass'. card.
Our guy was suuuuuper like this, and it took a lot of time for everyone to hit their limit. If you can't look back over a game and find a reason, and if no one tells you when they hold a group vote and kick you, I'm more likely to believe you were the problem.
The virgin Angry Reddit Nerd VS the chad Angry Video Game Nerd
Roleplaying other people's characters because he thought he was better? What a grand and intoxicating innocence.
Love stories like this. Drama, conflicts, lie!
OP: I guess I wasn't enough of a murderhobo
The party: Hey remember all those murderhobo things you did but conveniently left out of the post
Man the Narcissism in OP's apologies, I would know cause I was raised by one and he apologized like that all the time.
Damn, your narcissist actually apologised? Mine never does.
Man, this sounds like anytime a politician or celebrity get caught doing something wrong, usually sexual assault stuff.
"I apologize for ______. I didn't know that _______ were wrong. Nobody had told me that _________ was bad or how serious _________ was. Clearly I need help and should be held accountable for _________. I apologize once more to the victims of _________ and hope they can find it in themselves to forgive me. I never meant to hurt anyone."
The player in question gives off heavy Quantum TV vibes.
That player reminds me of someone I used to be friends with. They thought that ordering me and my fiance to move in with another friend, who got themselves into a losing house crisis, would fix the situation. We were about to be married. No one, including the crisis friend, wanted us to spend our wedding night and honeymoon moving in with them. Need I say awkward? We didn't have the money for a hotel.
When confronted, they tried to play it off like a joke.
Just one of many reasons they're gonna end up alone in the end. *--_--*
“Don’t lie to me, I know that’s happened if you play this game!” I just got a text like an hour ago canceling our group’s dnd session tomorrow. XD
I believe character alignment should be determined by a character's actions rather than chosen by the player. Starting with a neutral alignment allows for organic character development. While I do accommodate players who wish to embody certain traits, I find it more rewarding when players uncover their character's true nature through game play.
For some reason you haven't shown up in my feed for a while now, new phone. I searched for you and glad you're back!
Honestly the lack of self-reflection and inability to see what they've done wrong until called out for it while also shifting the blame and martyring themselves after being raked over the coals reeks of a personality disorder. The little bits of potential gaslighting in these "apologies" is what pushes it over the edge for me.
OP is never getting better without therapy as this likely goes beyond just their gaming habits and is something they always do.
Holy crap OP got ratioed to the ground
I wonder if the antagonists in all these stories is ever the same person. Just touring D&D games, sucking all the fun everywhere.
This is the first video of yours I've seen but I had to comment. The inflection you give while reading the posts is the most spot on I've ever heard. Usually narrators don't get the 'tone' of posts but imo yours is 100% on point. Great video
The key to a successful group is communication. If there is an issue you need to raise awareness about it and make sure that your message is heard. If you are disturbed by anything a fellow player is doing you need to let them know that it makes you uncomfortable instead of bottling it all up. If someone brings up an issue with you then you need to listen and make sure it's resolved before continuing and finally if there is aggressive party conflict you should make sure it's all in game by talking with the group. This also goes the other way as well, if you say or do something aggressive in game then make sure everyone is okay with it before continuing.
Had a player(a close friend of the DM) who was recently kicked from the campaign say to him that he was gathering materials of the story to write a DnD Horror Story which will likely be biased against the DM and the party.
Having the thought of it irked me for a while so I had decided to give my side of the story in the off chance that he posts his.
One of the things I miss about being on Reddit is finding gems like this, as much as I dislike drama this was damn entertaining!
For someone who rambles about everything else, he sure does like to hide the needed details.
That struggle at the end to say what OP wrote is freaking hilarious lol
Halfway through I forgot the first part was based in lies sitting there thinking "This seems... Weird."
Boy howdy.
The only problem I have with my party is that we’re having too much fun. Makes me sick
Good day when the crab king updates
Yeah the guy must have been super annoying to play with, but I have been in the situation where I bother people or make them uncomfortable unknowlingly and it really doesn't feel fair sometimes. Even if the DM tried to tell him that his behavior was innapropriate for this group, he apparently did not succeed. This sounds like an unfortunate situation to everyone where communication did not work out.
I feel bad for the OP and I really think his apologies shouldn't have gotten so downvoted, he really didn't seem like he was making things up with the facade of a vent; that doesn't make sense. You gotta cut people slack sometimes because everyone understands things differently. Maybe if they tried harder to communicate how they felt they wouldn't have ended up in this situation and maybe they'd still be playing and OP would be fun to play with.
That said, original poster does sound like he has some narcissistic tendencies or an attention disorder or something that he should work on...