@@thebigdawgj The practice of cutting the skin off of someone who has no idea of what's going on will always be messed up. No matter what religion it comes from. And with religious and scientific logic, we were meant to have that skin by design. So to reject it and take off is contradicting
My mother told me she used to play D&D until she woke up one night & saw a demon. She threw the game away & never touched it again. Meanwhile I play for a year & a half with no demon? Not even for Halloween?? That’s 2 Halloweens ruined cus exactly 0 foul entities stood in the dark edges of my room, watching over me with voids where their faces should be. Even a series of screams or thudding sounds I can’t find the source of would be do-able. But no.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you were on the list, but... look, even unspeakable abominations have sick days. We tried calling in !*#% as a replacement but they were busy performing in Azathoth's choir, and you know how important that gig is.
I played in a Star Trek RPG game with my usual group. Our DM wanted to try something different and had written down the positions on the ship on slips of paper and we each drew a job out of a hat. The DM played the captain and gave us our missions. He had each of us give him a detailed background for these characters before the game. I had drawn the pilot job and decided to make my pilot a Woman and a Lesbian and here was born Tasha Nakamura top of her piloting class at the academy and trained as a security officer before she found her passion for flying. Note that this was not the first time I played a woman or a gay character and had stated who she was in the backstory. During session one an ensign from engineering had started flirting with me and I ignored HIS advanced instead focusing on my character practicing her martial arts. The ensign asked for CQC lessons and I obliged. The next session the captain calls me into his office to discuss my inappropriate relationship with the ensign stating that the rumors around the ship were that he and I were shaboinging. I asked the captain if he had read my files. He responded with "of course I read your file I've read everyone on this ship's file. That doesn't change the inappropriate nature of your relationship with ensign so and so." This is the point where my smugness over took me. "So if you've read my file then you'll know I'm gay." DM pulls out my background and quickly rereads it. *Insert backpedaling captain here* "am I free to go captain?" "Yup you just uh... keep up the good work"
The sad part about all of this is that the vast majority of Christians aren't anything like this what-so-ever, as a polytheistic bisexual who is completely open about both (but not shove it in your face open mind you) I've met more accepting Christians than I have bigoted ones, true most of them are non-denominational and that plays a large part in their beliefs but I've met accepting Southern Baptists, Seventh-Day Adventists, Episcopalians, Catholics (Both Roman and Orthodox) and even the extremely rare accepting Jehovah's Witness (The rest of their kingdom hall hated me but that family overlooked the sexuality due to my willingness to learn about their beliefs instead of scorning them from the start and actually treated me pretty well). As the saying goes "A few bad apples spoil the bunch", I've been threatened like that before, even had one guy tell me he was gonna crucify and burn me on my front lawn for being a heathen, but I know better than to condemn his faith for the actions of one over-zealous idiot. Moral of the story: Look at who someone is and the actions they take in life and judge them on that, not their skin color, sexuality, beliefs, etc.
It's not that Christianity is bad, but fanatics exist everywhere. It just happens to be one of the dominant religions on Earth, therefore there are simply more of them. I wonder why they can't see the hypocrisy they have, no god that is good and worth of worship would encourage violence against peaceful people with other lifestyles.
@@thatwarden1851 I think it depends on where you live as well - unfortunately, the vast majority I've had the displeasure of meeting weren't so nice (for context, former Christian myself, grew up in Caribbean culture). It's only when I've met people outside of my culture that I've been like "huh you got your people who suck and the people who are just cool about it"
“Child of god”: *Talks about committing crimes he would be charged for as an adult.* Lawyer: Quiet or I will press charges on you “Child of god”: U thretenn me?? A Baby?!??!
Ah yes, what a brave warrior of God. Tries to Teamkill in-game to punish the couple, and when he obviously loses, he threatens to kill them IRL, only to try and immediately backpedal when someone threatens him with legal action. If he were a true rabid zealot, he'd say "I fear no laws of man" and taken it like a champ; he would have still been an odious jerk and a monster, but you'd at least admire the sheer size of the brass balls on him. Instead, he thinks his bigotry and 'faith' will protect him from all consequences, and folds like a cheap lawn chair the moment he realizes that's not the case.
Ok, but a Cleric and Fighter pairing sounds like a great dynamic for a romantic novel or an RPG. They have complementary strengths and can exhibit protective behaviors in different ways. Also the deep character developing conversation about choosing the path of healing versus violence could be *chef's kiss*.
As a guy who had a lonely childhood, I can confirm all crit was talking about it. Being lonely f-ing sucks. When people wanted to hang out with me, I was ecstatic, even if they made me feel like a joke. Wasn't until grade 8 when I actually found a good friend and it took til grade 10 until I actually felt like I was apart of the group (funnily enough because of the school's DnD club). However, that doesn't mean I didn't ever felt unwanted or lonely anymore. Still do a lot of the time infact. Stuff like that just doesn't go away over night.
felt that so hard. i haven't really been bullied back in school but i was excluded from a lot of stuff from my more popular classmates, seen as one of the weirdos and treated accordingly, etc. i remember getting out of highschool and into college and being absolutely flabbergasted every time someone treated me with basic human decency. like i was in a group project and my teammates asked if i wanted to come with them to go grab something to eat while we were taking a break on the project, and i was so shocked that they wanted to include me in something that i didn't even know how to react. i've been out of highschool and that environment for almost 6 years now but i'm only just now really learning how to set boundaries and stand up for myself instead of just being so desperate for any kind of friendship that i'll accept any attempt thrown my way (and thus accidentally let toxic people take advantage of me, or stay with people even if they made me super uncomfortable). i'm still not perfect at it tho and have to actively remind myself that i have worth and don't need to settle for any person that'll give me the time of day, but need to instead make actual healthy friendships and get out the trash people. it's hard and i'm not even sure if i'll ever be able to completely move past it even tho i'm trying my hardest - being treated like shit as a kid and constantly pushed aside/excluded really does leave some deep trauma on people.
Not to mention how some of *those* heavily religious players tend to... kinda impose the "views" of their religion to the DnD world like it's the religion of said world...
@@Coconut_PrrsonI could be completely wrong but i don't think Amish ppl are always religious? I think it's just the no tech thing right? But as someone who's baptist i can certainly tell you it def feels that way sometimes 😂
What's even more hilarious is that it's an actual thing forbidden at a certain fundamentalist Christian college (Bob Jones University). Truly, life imitates art.
"Confidence is quiet. Insecurity is loud." Wow, Crit. That's one hell of a nugget of wisdom you got there. Something most people here are gunna completely miss.
I'd say it's quite presumptuous of you to think that most people will miss it, and that maybe people are generally inclined to understand statements that ring true philosophically.
Yeah, I was happy to see that the dude who invited the kid didn't get booted for association. He stuck with the group, and immediately admitted his wrongdoing.
“thou shalt not murder” but close enough. There are very few select times where killing is ok and even commanded by God(in the old testament) but definitely not in this situation lmao
@@floridamen1689 Precisely right both of you. If someone thinks God is commanding them to kill or hurt someone these days? they are 1. delusional 2. have some demon in them
Unless they work in East Lancashire. Then they'll force you to plead guilty and refuse to take on others from the same area. I know a man who lost his family because of them.
Man, we had a religious guy in an old group - but it ended up being funny instead. There was a dungeon, with each level being one of the 7 deadly sins in theme, and the more sins we failed the more minibosses we had to fight. The only Christian dude in the group failed THREE of the four total sins we messed up, by himself XD I remember two of them. One was a couple of rooms in he said out loud "Hey, we're doing an awesome job!" or something to that effect, and then a voice boomed through the dungeon "TEST OF PRIDE FAILED". Mind, this was AFTER we'd already messed up Wrath (thanks to a few will saves), so IDK why he even said that. Really an unforced error. Later on, we came to the mid-dungeon room, which had a bunch of health potions. I took one, and was fine, because this was obviously the test of gluttony... And then he walks up and *shovels an armload* into his bag of holding. "TEST OF GLUTTONY FAILED". He IRL cried XD I... I have no idea how he didn't clue in, we'd been in this dungeon for like 3 real-time hours by that point, and knew it was always judging us and what we said. It was really funny, we didn't even mind fighting the extra mini bosses.
That dungeon sounds like a stroke of genius, most of the stuff you do in an RPG (not leaving any loot behind, being always ready for violence, patting yourself on the back after overcoming a challenge) can be interpreted as sins, so that's a way to make players rethink their whole approach.
This story about the religious kid getting his ass handed to him makes me want to implement a rule if I ever get an opportunity to DM. If a problematic player whom everyone wants to kick starts an in-game fight and loses, the winner gets to finish off the defeated character before the player is officially kicked. Gives a nice, dramatic ending to their chapter.
I dunno. What if that problematic player is a friend to other people on the table? Just kicking someone out of a DnD group can complicate relationships among the players and making a big spectacle about such a thing can only worsen it. A problematic player in DnD might also be a good friend outside of the game, which is why a lot of these stories go through without the players just kicking the problem players out immidiately.
@@derpro8125 There would absolutely be more determining factors to the kick. Such as warnings prior, speaking with the rest of the players to see what the social situation is and if they all agree that kicking the player is for the best, or if the problematic player is a rando online. This is more of a rule to be implemented when you’re playing online with strangers than with a close group of friends and it’s only to be applied to the worst of the worst players who are actively ruining the game and making everyone uncomfortable. It’s not necessarily applied to every kick. If the player is bad enough or people are feeling unsafe with them in the game, it may even be necessary to kick them first and then turn their character into a combat NPC to get them out of the story.
Quite ironic that the kid chose his character to be an Oath of Conquest paladin, which can easily be seen as tyrannical and opressing and are the closest to consort with the nine hells.
As a lifelong christian, and quite proud of it, my response to the whole happy gay couple thing.. Exodus 23:9, God says we should all be happy for them. Not try to oppress their heart
Waaaaaiiiiit, you're telling me there's a passage in the Bible that is actually wholesome? Okay, all jokes aside, that's really cute, and just proves the point that Critcrab made about bigots cherry picking details that align with their world view to use against things that make them uncomfortable, while the truly religious takes things much more seriously, and actually know what they're talking about. Good on you.
@@missspectra I'm an atheist so I'll admit my knowledge isn't complete, but there's a lot of Bible verses that are pretty wholesome and accepting of gay people. plus a lot of the verses used to say that gay people are bad are... kinda translated wrong. if you take the original Hebrew Bible, and translate those same verses again, you *can* make them seem homophobic but it's just as easy to interpret them in a way that's less saying "men shouldn't be together" and more saying "don't cheat on each other" or "don't be unfaithful to your partner" or things like that.
@@brennuswhite1845 by most accounts, the original translation of quotes used against homosexuals in actuality was condemning pedophilia, but that’s not what they want to hear
"You should have helped me since I am the righteous paladin" Righteous Paladin: Literally tries to murder a couple for no good reason. (Yes I know he has a reason, but like I said, "No GOOD reason".) And then he threatens to kill the couple in IRL, lol. When that Lawyer started talking about how the kid can go to jail for hate crime and he logs out, I could already hear that so iconic Ace Attorney pursuit theme playing on the background. (I think anyone with any familiarity with Ace Attorney knows what music I'm talking about.)
I really feel for OP in the second story. Even 20+ years on, me being excluded and bullied as a kid affects my interactions with people so their actions to me are fully understandable
Hey, Crab. I just wanted to mention that there's a few things I really like about your channel that keep me coming back, and your empathic approach is a huge part of that. I really appreciate it.
I have a special place in my heart for preachy mean folk because when we were being yelled at for being goths (late 90s) and told we were going to hell my female friend kissed me to further enrage him and that’s when I began to suspect I was a bit bisexual. Thanks for clearing up that confusion, screaming weirdo.
@@AverageDuncethe *translations* were homophobic, and you'll notice no translation that uses any mention of homosexuality predates the 1940's, because that was when a massive anti-gay rights group started adding the word to condemn the existence of gay people
THANK YOU!! Holy fuck. I used to be religious and I kept saying the Bible said to not sleep with boys. It condemned pedophilia and not homosexuality but every church friend I talked to said I was being influenced by sin for defending gay people. I’m not even gay, I’m just not a judgmental prick
I’ve met at least two people like that: who always assume they are correct and anyone else is stupid, ignorant, or evil. Honestly want to throttle them sometimes.
@@yourface2464 Already am close. My mom is one of those people, dad takes her side, and politics might as well have become her new religion this past decade, and agreeing doesn’t always stop the sermons.
I feel that way sometimes. I try to fight it, question it, but I can't see how my viewpoints can be objectively wrong. How can being decent to others and discrimination only based on deed?
As someone that got regularly excluded shoved to the side during group events, I can attest that that does mess with you. I've given plenty of people more chances than they deserve because I know what it's like to be written off. Poor OP should have seen the red flags for what they were, but I totally get why they tried to make it work.
"It's hard to be religious when certain individuals aren't struck by lightning." -Calvin Edit: Holy s***, over 200 likes in only 4 hours?! I must have hit on to something...
That’s why Hinduism exists, they invented a way to excuse ppl not getting smote, by just saying God is procrastinating and they’ll get what’s coming in their next life lol
@@ma.2089 Hinduism is often called the oldest, but Zoroastrianism is just as old since they both originate from the same source and split because of theological disputes. There are also some evidence that some form of Tengrism existed before that, and the same can be said about Bön, but it's hard to say since it was before writing existed in those areas.
Isl°m was created by megah°rny r°pists who wanted an excuse. And Europe is under siege by a massive b°rthing jih@d. Because of that trusting "blackhairs" is dangerous now. Laugh while you can. It happens regardless.
"If it bothers Him so much, why didn't he put it in the 10 Commandments? In fact, he's MORE pissed that you're jealous of my new bike!" - Cyanide and Happiness I don't know if Buddy heard, but I have it on good authority that it's OK to be gay. They wrote a song about it and errythang. My objection? This couple's too sweet together and it's giving me cavities.
I have a pet peeve about romantic couples rping as romantic couples in game because it makes me feel like I'm participating in something without my consent AND also being shut out of making meaningful IC relationships with those characters since they're really only there to flirt as their characters. Doesn't matter what genders the couple are, it feels... Strange... If they start out together in game like that.
Your thumbnail shows the kid who went to same elementary school I attended. This was back in the late 80s when he and his family made headlines across America. I was still acclimating to the whole American culture because I was a recent refugee from SEA and saw him and his siblings outside of the school lawn preaching. We were in the same neighborhood, and I stopped by his house once before he went on national television and was interviewed by Oprah, and that is where you got his image for your thumbnail. I have not seen this kid since and have lost all contact.
Yeah, I brought this up elsewhere, but conquest paladins ate not super righteous and actually tends towards tyranical evil. So very appreciate for people like this kid. People who try to force others to adhere to their beliefs through fear and violence. That is what a conquest paladin is.
As someone who was regularly a wallflower or outcast, I really feel for hosts (of any group activity) who don't have the strength to shut out toxic individuals.
Ok maaaan LOVE LOVE Loved this. Just so happens I had a debate just a few hours ago with my Christian family about this same subject. You laid this out beautifully my dude. You just got a subscriber for life.
It's rough being friendless and alone as a kid. It screws with your perception and your self-worth and of course if you've been through something like that youre gonna want to help someone out of a similar situation when youre in a position to do so. You've just gotta keep in mind that maybe this person you're helping isnt actually in that same position you were. Theres a chance this person was alone _for a reason._
Empathy is an important thing to have before judgement, I need to learn more of that, I want to be better for friends and family. Thanks for that idea seed CritCrab, I'll do my best to learn from this!
@@asheronwindspear552 no it doesn't lol. There are far more hateful people than Christians in just this day and age. Let's not get into a particular faction in the 40s
@@SodaPopBarbecue I can't stand those guys. They wanna claim these are just lies to get upvotes or whatever when their comments are clearly trying to do the exact thing they complain about. So hypocritical.
I don't feel bad for the kid. You get reasoning skills pretty early and kids like this are the reason a lot of other kids end up committing suicide. Yeah the parents are to blame for a lot of it, but a lot of people with bigoted parents still grow up to be good people on their own. Nothing bad even happened to him to feel bad for, he just tried to be hateful and failed.
yea there's a lot of culty evangelism church's out there. it mostly depends on the pastor and how much he gets off on the "im so rightious saying the things, no one likes to hear, but i have to say it, so this makes me the most righteous, pompous attitude" none of these people have actually attempted to read the greek or hebrew, they just parrot shit they have no clue what there talking about. yahwah means " i am what is" and yahovah means " i am what become" the first verse of james says God is the logos. God is reality and elohim. el meaning "the greatest,top,chief,best" IM- is a suffex used at the end of a word to convey " everything, and every subcategory that could ever be related to the concept before it. So God represent reality, truth, logos. and the greatest reality conceivable by understanding it. so humanity can adopt it. it was old enlightenment philosophy. God was always the voice of reason/truth in the old testament books, or the writing on the wall. but then you get mystism around 800-600 bc who created a post mythology fanfictions, with a celestial God what we have know. with angels and demons then when God went back to being the logos in early greek christianity, it got taken over by gnostic mysticsism as well. which has been the status quo since, of heaven hell devil, dogmas ect. when the greek words dont fit those same thing happened to the dao as well, it was living,understanding reality, then it got turned magical, celestial, heaven hell angels demons over time. actually all older religions where science is the God, it eventually turns into a hokey magical religion pantheon generations later. its sad its a very wise book which they tremendously fuck up.
@@stevenmike1878 i have no problem with people who follow those teachings and who are genuinely good people. If they are kind to people and just trying to be the best they can i don't knock it. But being raised by pastor that was and is a terrible person really leaves you disillusioned, not to mention needing a whole lot of therapy. You're free to do and believe what you will. I wish you well and hope that you find fulfillment in your path.
@@gonebattygoth lol i feel my mom blasts the end of the world evangelical pastors non stop 365. then i read the greek and went thru to the pre-nicean chruch writings and realized 95% has been corrupted to where its not even recognizable. bassically psychopaths, sociopath and conman have all been tearing at it for 2000 years for there own gain. non of the words work for the modern interpretation even the church structure was changed to a feudalistic hierarchy. rather then a neural network where everyone participated in enlightenment revelations thru the Logos, and then those idea where tested thru criticim, then if they sounded correct they passed them to another church to go thru more criticisms. so everybody participated and the best idea floated to the top. rather then a pastor thinking hes the master and your his flock and it goes top down, shut up, don't question, listen to your weekly propaganda. the main culpit was st. Augustine who was a gnositic who kill the church from within. he neither read greek or hebrew Augustine (354-430) to develop the first systematic defense of religious persecution in the history of western civilization. Augustine called his approach “righteous persecution” because it justified persecution for the righteous cause of saving people from the eternal torments of hell. he gained favor with the roman emperor and when the bishop of rome died, the new bishop got swayed which we now know as the pope. they then persecuted and killed all those who didnt agree. martin luther was a monk of st augustine. since he never went back far enough it was never corrected. so even in protestant religions it never got better but only gotten worse, more superstitious and toxic.
@@Mediados don't worry I agree with you. He just watched me Dm a session this Sunday as an introduction, and I've talked with him a couple of times and I think he is a good guy.
What is sad is that for me this has happened so many times it is just normal. Not in D&D but just like in life and it just get to the point where it is sad and then it just becomes funny.
I live in Germany and do you know what is normal here? Jews and migrants are spat on, attacked with pig's blood, their houses and stores smeared with graffiti and get death threats. And that happens to these people every day and that is part of their everyday life. The police do nothing, they don't even come by to record the crime. I know a Jewish restaurant owner in Berlin, who experiences these things every day and has not called the police for years, because they do not come anyway. But he knows a thousand ways to remove graffiti and how to get pig's blood out of clothes. And it makes me so incredibly angry.
Funny thing, the golden rule in Christianity is to treat those as you would want to be treated, and many of us fail to do that, as one who still cares for others around him regardless of what they're into or who they are, I deeply apologize for how others have treated you
@@TheLevantin My husband and I were hunted by his father, luckily he was not a very bright man otherwise I make not be here. We moved away and he never found us, he did tell a lot of people that we died, so that was fun to see those people again.
10:51 - lonely child here, literally everyone's target (even for the "nerds", despite being quite like one too) and still struggling with social interaction nowadays (also, some said "close friends" turning their backs, anyway). This crap is no joke and, when I'm accepted or invited for something, I feel SO DAMN GRATEFUL!
Ofc he's an Oath of Conquest Paladin, what did I expect xD. Also once he got informed about a possible law action I already imagined him talking about his freedom of speech, it would've made it 10 times funnier
Don't really have a choice. Just as being into gaming means I have to recognize the rampant sexism in the community. You gotta recognize this part of yours. Obviously not all christians are like this but it's important we recognize and try to rid our groups of bigots.
@@Vashy434 its true to try and rid communities of bigots, but saying they don’t claim them is also a good way of kicking them out of a community by denying their existence in relation to said community.
As someone who used to be Christian, the story most Christians that hate gay people use is one that's actually pretty vague and can also be interpreted as lust being the sin in question, because it's basically everyone in a town trying to get with an angel, men and women.
I can relate at some point with the 2nd story I was lonely when i was young and went to a religious high school full of a$$holes who perceived themselves as superior beings just because mom and dad had money
Eh I’m not shocked that he tried to go to a threat…some very unhinged Christian’s have killed for their god before and genuinely think because the other person was “a sinner” then it’s completely justified then again I think in that case I think the kid was just trying to sound tough to a group of adults who were telling him he’s wrong
You could remove Christian from that sentence and you'd be more fair, it's 100% on the unhinged part than the Christian part since that happens to be the common denominator regardless of them being atheist, muslim or serial killers.
@@bovineavenger734 I mean obviously theirs unhinged people in all walks off life…some get it into their heads that god would be totally cool with them harming or killing someone who didn’t have the same beliefs as them
I hate to suggest perpetuating this attitude, but could you imagine them saying to the kid, "I'm gonna tell you're parents you were playing a Devil's game"?
I had a serious falling out with a friend who recently became super religious. He held similar views about gay people as the kid in this story. I left that red flag filled conversation after an hour or so once he brought up politics becasue he believes the evangelical preachers who claim the 2020 election was stolen, and he believes the prophets who say Trump will win in 2024. I gave up on our friendship and he had the gall to call me rude for walking out on him. I doubt he will ever wake up from these delusions.
What makes me even more sad is thinking how depressing his life must have been in order to feel like he had to turn to such an extreme and sickening variant of Christianity.
yea there's a lot of culty evangelism church's out there. it mostly depends on the pastor and how much he gets off on the "im so rightious saying the things, no one likes to hear, but i have to say it, so this makes me the most righteous, pompous attitude" none of these people have actually attempted to read the greek or hebrew, they just parrot shit they have no clue what there talking about. yahwah means " i am what is" and yahovah means " i am what become" the first verse of james says God is the logos. God is reality and elohim. el meaning "the greatest,top,chief,best" IM- is a suffex used at the end of a word to convey " everything, and every subcategory that could ever be related to the concept before it. So God represent reality, truth, logos. and the greatest reality conceivable by understanding it. so humanity can adopt it. it was old enlightenment philosophy. God was always the voice of reason/truth in the old testament books, or the writing on the wall. but then you get mystism around 800-600 bc who created a post mythology fanfictions, with a celestial God what we have know. with angels and demons then when God went back to being the logos in early greek christianity, it got taken over by gnostic mysticsism as well. which has been the status quo since, of heaven hell devil, dogmas ect. when the greek words dont fit those same thing happened to the dao as well, it was living,understanding reality, then it got turned magical, celestial, heaven hell angels demons over time. actually all older religions where science is the God, it eventually turns into a hokey magical religion pantheon generations later .
@@stevenmike1878 Even modern science is being turned into a magical hockey pockus ritual bs instead of actually following the scientific method these days due to people using it as political propaganda.
Funny how all those "prophets" have multiple prophecies that never came true... what does the Bible say about that, again? You know, one of those verses evangelicals ignore?
Incidents like this are why I doubt the idea of never undermining a parent's authority. Sometimes others need to intervene if a parent is teaching racist/homophobic ideals to a child.
@@jamoses5766 I don't mean it to be a bad thing. But it's been an unspoken rule that you can't undermine what a parent says. That may have been a thing for decades, but now that entitled parents are becoming more well-known I feel that unspoken rule needs to end/ have more exceptions.
@@DrawciaGleam02 then ignore them? It's not difficult to distance yourself from a trigger. You've no right to force your views onto anybody just like they've no right to force theirs onto you. Don't like them? Remove them from the group or leave the group yourself.
The little sidebar about toxic friendships and taking what you can get really resonated with me and I think it was well said. Thank you. Remember yall we deserve better.
It can be very difficult to remember that not all religious people are bigots, especially when one is recovering from religious trauma. Thank you for the reminder. Sincerely, a bi woman.
I dont think I'll ever belive this. Christianity is built on hate. They tottered me as a child and made me hate myself. Made me attempt suicide twice. and the "good" ones? They didnt say a damn word about it or do anything to help. And even when I bring it up to "good" Christians now, they just change the fucking subject and pretend I fidnt say anything. Fuck them all
Dungeons and Dragons has always been a game about being in a world without the constraints of reality. A lot of people play it to get away from the shit they deal with in their real lives (including homophobia). Bullshit discrimination like this will never have a place in our community.
Critcrab: Enter World Anvil! *says absolutely nothing about WA* But that's not all! It's like if Billy Maze started every commercial with "But wait there's more!" and then just said the add like usual, honestly made me chuckle so whether it was intentional or not thanks for that Crit, brightened my awful day up!
I’m surprised they didn’t ban the first guy during his 30 minute rant. I mean, he’s already displayed that he’s bigoted and intolerant. I don’t know what the group would gain from listening to him
Thank you for distinguishing between followers and zealots. Far too often, I see people in one of two camps: either religion is a sham and all religious people are fraudsters or religious people (of the individual’s particular faith) can do no wrong and are somehow better than the “heathens”
I'm a non-religious man engaged to another man in the deep south. As I pulled into the driveway yesterday I was ambushed by Mormon missionaries. They asked if I was religious, I told them about my relationship which to be fair has always scared off the other door to door missionaries before. They instead politely, seemingly sincerely, showed interest, and I realized that I was the bigot in that moment, and although organized religion still isn't for me I need to seriously examine the preconceptions I have about religious people. I've heard that there are churches that preach tolerance and acceptance, but I always thought that there were none around these parts.
I'm actually not too upset at rhe kid himself just because he is 15 and I personally know I still had some bad opinions when I was 15. I also just have a soft spot for giving children of any age more of a benefit of the doubt than I do adults in general. If he continues to act like that into adulthood rather than learning to be a better person though, fuck em. Albeit in the end I'm more mad at his family for not either stamping out that behavior, or worse and more likely, being the direct cause of ir.
I feel kinda bad for the first kid, he's probably been brainwashed his entire childhood and hasn't been outside much since. Hopefully he'll grow up, but in the case of this situation there wasn't much that could be done.
@@woppite2932 Threatening to kill people sorta sucks and most civilized areas of the world have laws against it. You never know which squeaky voiced crotch goblin has access to firearms to make good on those threats.
@@woppite2932 i dont think it would have actually happened, but it was a good wake up call. You dont say things like that to anyone, period. No matter hoe old you are
@@woppite2932making death threats towards people for their sexual orientation is exponentially worse than telling that little shit he was gonna go to court. Dont be stupid.
I thought premarital eye contact would be the funniest thing I heard today, but old testament foreskin collector had me genuinely cackling oml much love to this series ✌️❤️😂
I think with the second story, it's more than just desperation. I have trouble telling people no, not just because I'm desperate for company, but because I know how much it hurts to be intentionally excluded, and I don't want to ever make someone feel that way. I can see letting someone join a dnd session, so they don't feel rejected. Especially if I don't know the bad stuff yet. They could have fun, and become great friends. You know, if they weren't toxic AF and rageing religious warriors who never read the bible, just cheery picked the bits they like.
As the kid, much like in these stories, I was not very nice or loving for a Christian. And it wasn't until I left religion and belief behind that I had to go back in my life and apologize to a lot of people for the very hateful things I said to them. Knowledge and critical thinking may set you free from religion, but it's only with empathy and sympathy can you start earning respect back.
Actually Most "Anti Gay or LGBT Religious Scripture" are Misinterpreted and Wrongly Used To Justify Hate But In Fact The Actual Scripture is Preaching Love and Acceptance and Being Friendly To Your Fellow Man
"Confidence is quiet, insecurity is loud" what a great quote. I'm gonna use that.
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Probably why gay prides are so loud...
"Pre-marital eye contact" is my favorite thing i've heard today
It's no joke.
How dare you show ankle in public *gasp* harlot!
I second that notion
It's like regular eye-contact but sinful!
Almost as bad as pre-marital handholding.
6:40 The gay couple has been playing D&D for longer than the kid has been alive.
It's nice to know this sort of religious passion still exists in kids so young.
“religious passion” is turning the kid into a hysterical and self righteous mess.
@@GamingTeaPartyikr it’s so funny
Kid is on his second boxing lesson and wants to throw hands with Tyson and Ali....🤣
"he has all the tenacity of an old testament foreskin collector" has got to be one of the funniest quips ive heard on this channel
I yelped hahaha
I mean, that's antisemitic.
crab may have been listening to the official podcast #308. they had a sunday school teacher there explaining that story.
@@thebigdawgj The practice of cutting the skin off of someone who has no idea of what's going on will always be messed up. No matter what religion it comes from.
And with religious and scientific logic, we were meant to have that skin by design. So to reject it and take off is contradicting
@@aaron-gz
Why do you hate Jews?
My mother told me she used to play D&D until she woke up one night & saw a demon. She threw the game away & never touched it again. Meanwhile I play for a year & a half with no demon? Not even for Halloween?? That’s 2 Halloweens ruined cus exactly 0 foul entities stood in the dark edges of my room, watching over me with voids where their faces should be. Even a series of screams or thudding sounds I can’t find the source of would be do-able. But no.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, you were on the list, but... look, even unspeakable abominations have sick days. We tried calling in !*#% as a replacement but they were busy performing in Azathoth's choir, and you know how important that gig is.
She must have confused D&D for a ouiji board. It happens.
@@CleverCover05 No she played for months. She 100% knew what it was.
@@AGrumpyPanda 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@AGrumpyPanda Yeah, if they don't stop playing, Azathoth will wake up.
And then we'll all be fucked.
I played in a Star Trek RPG game with my usual group. Our DM wanted to try something different and had written down the positions on the ship on slips of paper and we each drew a job out of a hat. The DM played the captain and gave us our missions. He had each of us give him a detailed background for these characters before the game.
I had drawn the pilot job and decided to make my pilot a Woman and a Lesbian and here was born Tasha Nakamura top of her piloting class at the academy and trained as a security officer before she found her passion for flying. Note that this was not the first time I played a woman or a gay character and had stated who she was in the backstory.
During session one an ensign from engineering had started flirting with me and I ignored HIS advanced instead focusing on my character practicing her martial arts. The ensign asked for CQC lessons and I obliged. The next session the captain calls me into his office to discuss my inappropriate relationship with the ensign stating that the rumors around the ship were that he and I were shaboinging. I asked the captain if he had read my files. He responded with "of course I read your file I've read everyone on this ship's file. That doesn't change the inappropriate nature of your relationship with ensign so and so." This is the point where my smugness over took me. "So if you've read my file then you'll know I'm gay." DM pulls out my background and quickly rereads it. *Insert backpedaling captain here* "am I free to go captain?"
"Yup you just uh... keep up the good work"
I wouldn't describe myself as an atheist, but bad religious people do far more damage to the public perception of religion than any atheist argument.
Amen.
The sad part about all of this is that the vast majority of Christians aren't anything like this what-so-ever, as a polytheistic bisexual who is completely open about both (but not shove it in your face open mind you) I've met more accepting Christians than I have bigoted ones, true most of them are non-denominational and that plays a large part in their beliefs but I've met accepting Southern Baptists, Seventh-Day Adventists, Episcopalians, Catholics (Both Roman and Orthodox) and even the extremely rare accepting Jehovah's Witness (The rest of their kingdom hall hated me but that family overlooked the sexuality due to my willingness to learn about their beliefs instead of scorning them from the start and actually treated me pretty well). As the saying goes "A few bad apples spoil the bunch", I've been threatened like that before, even had one guy tell me he was gonna crucify and burn me on my front lawn for being a heathen, but I know better than to condemn his faith for the actions of one over-zealous idiot.
Moral of the story: Look at who someone is and the actions they take in life and judge them on that, not their skin color, sexuality, beliefs, etc.
It's not that Christianity is bad, but fanatics exist everywhere. It just happens to be one of the dominant religions on Earth, therefore there are simply more of them. I wonder why they can't see the hypocrisy they have, no god that is good and worth of worship would encourage violence against peaceful people with other lifestyles.
Sad but true
@@thatwarden1851 I think it depends on where you live as well - unfortunately, the vast majority I've had the displeasure of meeting weren't so nice (for context, former Christian myself, grew up in Caribbean culture). It's only when I've met people outside of my culture that I've been like "huh you got your people who suck and the people who are just cool about it"
Kid literally tried to pull the "but I'm a minor" card when called out on his homophobic death threats 🤣
_" This is not an isl°mic sh°thole country. ",_ the Laywer should have said.
“Child of god”: *Talks about committing crimes he would be charged for as an adult.*
Lawyer: Quiet or I will press charges on you
“Child of god”: U thretenn me?? A Baby?!??!
Ah yes, what a brave warrior of God. Tries to Teamkill in-game to punish the couple, and when he obviously loses, he threatens to kill them IRL, only to try and immediately backpedal when someone threatens him with legal action. If he were a true rabid zealot, he'd say "I fear no laws of man" and taken it like a champ; he would have still been an odious jerk and a monster, but you'd at least admire the sheer size of the brass balls on him. Instead, he thinks his bigotry and 'faith' will protect him from all consequences, and folds like a cheap lawn chair the moment he realizes that's not the case.
"Folds like a cheap lawn chair" is probably my new favorite phrase now, thanks!
"Stop being bigoted? Ummmmm i'm literally a fundamentalist christian... and a minor"
Ok, but a Cleric and Fighter pairing sounds like a great dynamic for a romantic novel or an RPG. They have complementary strengths and can exhibit protective behaviors in different ways. Also the deep character developing conversation about choosing the path of healing versus violence could be *chef's kiss*.
As a guy who had a lonely childhood, I can confirm all crit was talking about it.
Being lonely f-ing sucks. When people wanted to hang out with me, I was ecstatic, even if they made me feel like a joke.
Wasn't until grade 8 when I actually found a good friend and it took til grade 10 until I actually felt like I was apart of the group (funnily enough because of the school's DnD club).
However, that doesn't mean I didn't ever felt unwanted or lonely anymore. Still do a lot of the time infact. Stuff like that just doesn't go away over night.
as a 40 year old, I'm still lonely lol. But I prefer to be lonely over being friendly with bigots (pretty much my entire family).
Can very much relate to this as well.
Same... I actually constantly deal with shitty friends and traitors for so long just because I get attach to the few "friends" I get
felt that so hard. i haven't really been bullied back in school but i was excluded from a lot of stuff from my more popular classmates, seen as one of the weirdos and treated accordingly, etc. i remember getting out of highschool and into college and being absolutely flabbergasted every time someone treated me with basic human decency. like i was in a group project and my teammates asked if i wanted to come with them to go grab something to eat while we were taking a break on the project, and i was so shocked that they wanted to include me in something that i didn't even know how to react.
i've been out of highschool and that environment for almost 6 years now but i'm only just now really learning how to set boundaries and stand up for myself instead of just being so desperate for any kind of friendship that i'll accept any attempt thrown my way (and thus accidentally let toxic people take advantage of me, or stay with people even if they made me super uncomfortable). i'm still not perfect at it tho and have to actively remind myself that i have worth and don't need to settle for any person that'll give me the time of day, but need to instead make actual healthy friendships and get out the trash people. it's hard and i'm not even sure if i'll ever be able to completely move past it even tho i'm trying my hardest - being treated like shit as a kid and constantly pushed aside/excluded really does leave some deep trauma on people.
I know it sounds pessimistic, but that feeling will never go away. You just gotta… push through it.
DnD was seen, and probably still is, by some Christan's as "Satan's Terrible Gift to Mankind" and you draw the line at homosexuality?
Not to mention how some of *those* heavily religious players tend to... kinda impose the "views" of their religion to the DnD world like it's the religion of said world...
@@Adraeth While in reality each god has their own area of influence like in DnD
@@realdragon pass whatever your smoking
@@Michael-bn1oi I'm not smoking anything, each pantheon in Forgotten Realms has its' own are where they are worshiped, give powers to people etc.
DnD is Satan's gift to humanity, and The Pope called The Internet a gift from God.
Which one has far more Cringe posted therein???
Gift From God!!! XD
As a Christian, I can tell you premarital eye-contact is perfectly fine.
It's the premarital handholding that'll get you in trouble.
You joke but this is 100% how Amish people think
I wish UA-cam had a laugh emoji.
😂🤣
There @@MightyArgos
@@Coconut_PrrsonI could be completely wrong but i don't think Amish ppl are always religious? I think it's just the no tech thing right?
But as someone who's baptist i can certainly tell you it def feels that way sometimes 😂
And if it turns into premarital giggling, then it’s already too late... 😔
When you said "pre-marital eye-contact", you cemented your reputation as a genius
Number one DnD tuber if you ask me!
XD
I fucking lost my shit. I listen to these on repeat alot and everytime this one comes up I just burst out laughing
What's even more hilarious is that it's an actual thing forbidden at a certain fundamentalist Christian college (Bob Jones University). Truly, life imitates art.
"Confidence is quiet. Insecurity is loud."
Wow, Crit. That's one hell of a nugget of wisdom you got there. Something most people here are gunna completely miss.
Really wish the insecure would shut up and stop punching down
I'd say it's quite presumptuous of you to think that most people will miss it, and that maybe people are generally inclined to understand statements that ring true philosophically.
You say that... But the loudest, most insecure people have the most followers. Whether it's on the internet, or in politics.@@empcat1254
Not always true though. Many people who are very confident in their ignorance are extremely loud about it.
i read this as he said it lol
Story #1 sounds like a super solid group. They had each other's backs and didn't get riled by the kid's BS.
Yeah, I was happy to see that the dude who invited the kid didn't get booted for association.
He stuck with the group, and immediately admitted his wrongdoing.
I don't think a group of 27+ year olds deserve praise for brushing off the comments of one 15 year old...
"The tenacity of an Old-Testament Foreskin-Collector," slapped hard enough to cook a chicken. I might have to borrow that one of these days.
The kid really ignores the commandment of "Thou shall not KILL".
Good point.
“thou shalt not murder” but close enough. There are very few select times where killing is ok and even commanded by God(in the old testament) but definitely not in this situation lmao
@@1337wafflezzyeah, I think that it’s only ok when at war bc didn’t god led armies through Moses?
It's worth noting that Paul and Peter said that Jewish law doesn't apply to non Jews.
@@floridamen1689 Precisely right both of you.
If someone thinks God is commanding them to kill or hurt someone these days? they are
1. delusional
2. have some demon in them
You know that you're completely screwed when you tell a lawyer they can't do anything and they say, "Wanna bet?" or similar things
when you ask the dm if you can do sm and they say "are you sure"
Unless they work in East Lancashire. Then they'll force you to plead guilty and refuse to take on others from the same area. I know a man who lost his family because of them.
Man, we had a religious guy in an old group - but it ended up being funny instead.
There was a dungeon, with each level being one of the 7 deadly sins in theme, and the more sins we failed the more minibosses we had to fight.
The only Christian dude in the group failed THREE of the four total sins we messed up, by himself XD
I remember two of them. One was a couple of rooms in he said out loud "Hey, we're doing an awesome job!" or something to that effect, and then a voice boomed through the dungeon "TEST OF PRIDE FAILED". Mind, this was AFTER we'd already messed up Wrath (thanks to a few will saves), so IDK why he even said that. Really an unforced error.
Later on, we came to the mid-dungeon room, which had a bunch of health potions. I took one, and was fine, because this was obviously the test of gluttony... And then he walks up and *shovels an armload* into his bag of holding. "TEST OF GLUTTONY FAILED".
He IRL cried XD
I... I have no idea how he didn't clue in, we'd been in this dungeon for like 3 real-time hours by that point, and knew it was always judging us and what we said. It was really funny, we didn't even mind fighting the extra mini bosses.
That dungeon sounds like a stroke of genius, most of the stuff you do in an RPG (not leaving any loot behind, being always ready for violence, patting yourself on the back after overcoming a challenge) can be interpreted as sins, so that's a way to make players rethink their whole approach.
@@ZorotheGallade Yeah, it was one of the better dungeons we'd ever run, really.
Genius.
Pride is fine. It's being prideful that's bad.
I am just picturing your DM saying that in the voice of the giant Got Talent heads from Rick and Morty.
This story about the religious kid getting his ass handed to him makes me want to implement a rule if I ever get an opportunity to DM. If a problematic player whom everyone wants to kick starts an in-game fight and loses, the winner gets to finish off the defeated character before the player is officially kicked. Gives a nice, dramatic ending to their chapter.
This also applies to neckbeards/incels who are creepy to women at the DnD table right?
@@DrawciaGleam02 it's only fair
@@DrawciaGleam02 Yup. ANY problematic player.
I dunno. What if that problematic player is a friend to other people on the table? Just kicking someone out of a DnD group can complicate relationships among the players and making a big spectacle about such a thing can only worsen it. A problematic player in DnD might also be a good friend outside of the game, which is why a lot of these stories go through without the players just kicking the problem players out immidiately.
@@derpro8125 There would absolutely be more determining factors to the kick. Such as warnings prior, speaking with the rest of the players to see what the social situation is and if they all agree that kicking the player is for the best, or if the problematic player is a rando online. This is more of a rule to be implemented when you’re playing online with strangers than with a close group of friends and it’s only to be applied to the worst of the worst players who are actively ruining the game and making everyone uncomfortable. It’s not necessarily applied to every kick. If the player is bad enough or people are feeling unsafe with them in the game, it may even be necessary to kick them first and then turn their character into a combat NPC to get them out of the story.
Quite ironic that the kid chose his character to be an Oath of Conquest paladin, which can easily be seen as tyrannical and opressing and are the closest to consort with the nine hells.
As a lifelong christian, and quite proud of it, my response to the whole happy gay couple thing.. Exodus 23:9, God says we should all be happy for them. Not try to oppress their heart
Waaaaaiiiiit, you're telling me there's a passage in the Bible that is actually wholesome? Okay, all jokes aside, that's really cute, and just proves the point that Critcrab made about bigots cherry picking details that align with their world view to use against things that make them uncomfortable, while the truly religious takes things much more seriously, and actually know what they're talking about. Good on you.
@@missspectra I'm an atheist so I'll admit my knowledge isn't complete, but there's a lot of Bible verses that are pretty wholesome and accepting of gay people. plus a lot of the verses used to say that gay people are bad are... kinda translated wrong. if you take the original Hebrew Bible, and translate those same verses again, you *can* make them seem homophobic but it's just as easy to interpret them in a way that's less saying "men shouldn't be together" and more saying "don't cheat on each other" or "don't be unfaithful to your partner" or things like that.
@@brennuswhite1845 I mean some people just want things to hate and they will twist a 2000 years old book to find something to hate.
@@brennuswhite1845 by most accounts, the original translation of quotes used against homosexuals in actuality was condemning pedophilia, but that’s not what they want to hear
@@missspectra
New Testament I’m guessing?
"You should have helped me since I am the righteous paladin"
Righteous Paladin: Literally tries to murder a couple for no good reason. (Yes I know he has a reason, but like I said, "No GOOD reason".)
And then he threatens to kill the couple in IRL, lol. When that Lawyer started talking about how the kid can go to jail for hate crime and he logs out, I could already hear that so iconic Ace Attorney pursuit theme playing on the background. (I think anyone with any familiarity with Ace Attorney knows what music I'm talking about.)
Prophet M°hammed was also a righteous Paladin in a way.
Just from another god he came up with to justify his personal believes and desires.
Ah yes, Pursuit or Cornered Plays In the Background as it all goes down.
Lots of genocides were led by people either being classified as monk or paladin
Maybe 1 or 2 clerics
Or the Law and Order Special Victims Unit theme.
@@SuperNovaDragonYT Which version of pursuit?
"When I'm close to you, my love, I'm always okay." Awww that's just a-dork-able! My characters would probably squee at the corny affection. XD
The cringe is palpable I'd probably need to take a moment for myself
"Pre-marital eye contact." Maybe it's the lack of sleep but that was funnier to me than it should have been.
I thought it was sexy.
I really feel for OP in the second story. Even 20+ years on, me being excluded and bullied as a kid affects my interactions with people so their actions to me are fully understandable
Hey, Crab. I just wanted to mention that there's a few things I really like about your channel that keep me coming back, and your empathic approach is a huge part of that. I really appreciate it.
As a queer myself, please do not steal my boots, in a game nevertheless
But you have such nice boots, I can't help myself...
@@darklord884 Hold yourself back, please. You might be infected by the gay (Sarcasm, please don't invert my ribcage.)
@@turtlelord8021 Oh worry not, I have a hazmat suit for just these occasions, as well as boot-removal tongs. (Too late, ribcagus invertus!)
@@darklord884 I see, as long as you're prepared (AA)
@@turtlelord8021 Thank you for understanding and have a great day, fellow! (Theeeeeere we go. Don't hold it against me, you're good eatin'.)
I have a special place in my heart for preachy mean folk because when we were being yelled at for being goths (late 90s) and told we were going to hell my female friend kissed me to further enrage him and that’s when I began to suspect I was a bit bisexual. Thanks for clearing up that confusion, screaming weirdo.
My closeted ass: Welp, time to go goth
@@Splicer-lb5xb Behold the power of goth.
And now, I have edited this comment to make it a tad bit more difficult to guess what I said
(Only a little bit, comments give it away)
I looked into that because I heard that; but the translations that I found were most clearly homophobic, no offense intended
@@AverageDuncethe *translations* were homophobic, and you'll notice no translation that uses any mention of homosexuality predates the 1940's, because that was when a massive anti-gay rights group started adding the word to condemn the existence of gay people
@@AverageDuncetranslators are homophobic, the direct translation is anti pedophilia
It was changed from ‘man shall not lay with boy’ to ‘man shall not lay with man’ in the 1940s or something.
THANK YOU!!
Holy fuck. I used to be religious and I kept saying the Bible said to not sleep with boys. It condemned pedophilia and not homosexuality but every church friend I talked to said I was being influenced by sin for defending gay people. I’m not even gay, I’m just not a judgmental prick
I’ve met at least two people like that: who always assume they are correct and anyone else is stupid, ignorant, or evil. Honestly want to throttle them sometimes.
Try being closely related to them
Brr, it sucks being the only non-christian in my family
@@yourface2464 Already am close. My mom is one of those people, dad takes her side, and politics might as well have become her new religion this past decade, and agreeing doesn’t always stop the sermons.
I can understand that. People who have that mindset, where everything is back and white...its going to be next to impossible to reach them.
I heard they all join up to twitter
I feel that way sometimes. I try to fight it, question it, but I can't see how my viewpoints can be objectively wrong. How can being decent to others and discrimination only based on deed?
As someone that got regularly excluded shoved to the side during group events, I can attest that that does mess with you. I've given plenty of people more chances than they deserve because I know what it's like to be written off. Poor OP should have seen the red flags for what they were, but I totally get why they tried to make it work.
10:40 You're a real one, CritCrab. I hardly hear anyone explaining what this is like. Thank you.
"It's hard to be religious when certain individuals aren't struck by lightning." -Calvin
Edit: Holy s***, over 200 likes in only 4 hours?! I must have hit on to something...
That’s why Hinduism exists, they invented a way to excuse ppl not getting smote, by just saying God is procrastinating and they’ll get what’s coming in their next life lol
Actually since Hinduism is the first religion, I guess they had solved a problem that no other religion besides Buddhism has answered lol
@@ma.2089 Hinduism is often called the oldest, but Zoroastrianism is just as old since they both originate from the same source and split because of theological disputes. There are also some evidence that some form of Tengrism existed before that, and the same can be said about Bön, but it's hard to say since it was before writing existed in those areas.
Isl°m was created by megah°rny r°pists who wanted an excuse.
And Europe is under siege by a massive b°rthing jih@d.
Because of that trusting "blackhairs" is dangerous now.
Laugh while you can. It happens regardless.
@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly alright gramps, I think you forgot your meds.
"If it bothers Him so much, why didn't he put it in the 10 Commandments? In fact, he's MORE pissed that you're jealous of my new bike!" - Cyanide and Happiness
I don't know if Buddy heard, but I have it on good authority that it's OK to be gay. They wrote a song about it and errythang. My objection? This couple's too sweet together and it's giving me cavities.
I have a pet peeve about romantic couples rping as romantic couples in game because it makes me feel like I'm participating in something without my consent AND also being shut out of making meaningful IC relationships with those characters since they're really only there to flirt as their characters. Doesn't matter what genders the couple are, it feels... Strange... If they start out together in game like that.
Your thumbnail shows the kid who went to same elementary school I attended. This was back in the late 80s when he and his family made headlines across America. I was still acclimating to the whole American culture because I was a recent refugee from SEA and saw him and his siblings outside of the school lawn preaching. We were in the same neighborhood, and I stopped by his house once before he went on national television and was interviewed by Oprah, and that is where you got his image for your thumbnail. I have not seen this kid since and have lost all contact.
Of course he picked a conquest paladin
Yeah, I brought this up elsewhere, but conquest paladins ate not super righteous and actually tends towards tyranical evil. So very appreciate for people like this kid. People who try to force others to adhere to their beliefs through fear and violence. That is what a conquest paladin is.
@@adrianadamsson6757 Basically a zealot
As someone who was regularly a wallflower or outcast, I really feel for hosts (of any group activity) who don't have the strength to shut out toxic individuals.
Ok maaaan LOVE LOVE Loved this. Just so happens I had a debate just a few hours ago with my Christian family about this same subject. You laid this out beautifully my dude. You just got a subscriber for life.
It's rough being friendless and alone as a kid. It screws with your perception and your self-worth and of course if you've been through something like that youre gonna want to help someone out of a similar situation when youre in a position to do so. You've just gotta keep in mind that maybe this person you're helping isnt actually in that same position you were. Theres a chance this person was alone _for a reason._
Empathy is an important thing to have before judgement, I need to learn more of that, I want to be better for friends and family.
Thanks for that idea seed CritCrab, I'll do my best to learn from this!
i find myself coming back to this vid pretty often, if only for how wholesome the husbands rp with one another
Thank for the whole Bigot =/= religious quote , that makes me happy that there are people out there that don't hate me for my religion
Anytime, friend.
@@CritCrab hate people for being gay, not for being saved
You and me both
In fact, the most down-to-earth point of view. Delivered by a crab.
Same
And that is why the saying "There's no hate like Christian love" exists.
That's a stupid ass saying
@@557deadpool Yet it gets proven true time and again.
@@asheronwindspear552 no it doesn't lol. There are far more hateful people than Christians in just this day and age. Let's not get into a particular faction in the 40s
amen2that
Except most Christians do t hate. We are hated for simply being.
As a christian I should say that's one of the most non christian thing to do
Premarital eye contact? Oh, you'd better believe that's a paddlin'.
..by a Paladin.
Nice on Crab defending OPs who get mocked by rude commentors saying "they should have ended this sooner, their reasons not to don't matter".
THIS. Stick it to the wannabe debunkers.
@@SodaPopBarbecue I can't stand those guys. They wanna claim these are just lies to get upvotes or whatever when their comments are clearly trying to do the exact thing they complain about. So hypocritical.
@@oldstump1628 Just like UA-cam commentors.
@@oldstump1628 Another glorified bot.
@@oldstump1628 Weird how both of your comments vanished outside my notifications.
“Old Testament foreskin collector” is a phrase I didn’t expect to hear in this video, but it’s appreciated regardless 🤣
Whenever I worry that I might be making people uncomfortable, I remember these stories and realise that nothing Ive ever done could be that.
You gotta feel bad for the kid, all this nonsense is definitely put there by this family, let’s hope he grows out of it
I don't feel bad for the kid. You get reasoning skills pretty early and kids like this are the reason a lot of other kids end up committing suicide. Yeah the parents are to blame for a lot of it, but a lot of people with bigoted parents still grow up to be good people on their own. Nothing bad even happened to him to feel bad for, he just tried to be hateful and failed.
pouring one out for those of us with religious trauma, aren't we, critcrab?
yea there's a lot of culty evangelism church's out there. it mostly depends on the pastor and how much he gets off on the "im so rightious saying the things, no one likes to hear, but i have to say it, so this makes me the most righteous, pompous attitude" none of these people have actually attempted to read the greek or hebrew, they just parrot shit they have no clue what there talking about.
yahwah means " i am what is" and yahovah means " i am what become" the first verse of james says God is the logos.
God is reality and elohim. el meaning "the greatest,top,chief,best" IM- is a suffex used at the end of a word to convey " everything, and every subcategory that could ever be related to the concept before it.
So God represent reality, truth, logos. and the greatest reality conceivable by understanding it. so humanity can adopt it. it was old enlightenment philosophy. God was always the voice of reason/truth in the old testament books, or the writing on the wall.
but then you get mystism around 800-600 bc who created a post mythology fanfictions, with a celestial God what we have know. with angels and demons
then when God went back to being the logos in early greek christianity, it got taken over by gnostic mysticsism as well. which has been the status quo since, of heaven hell devil, dogmas ect. when the greek words dont fit those
same thing happened to the dao as well, it was living,understanding reality, then it got turned magical, celestial, heaven hell angels demons over time.
actually all older religions where science is the God, it eventually turns into a hokey magical religion pantheon generations later.
its sad its a very wise book which they tremendously fuck up.
@@stevenmike1878 i have no problem with people who follow those teachings and who are genuinely good people. If they are kind to people and just trying to be the best they can i don't knock it. But being raised by pastor that was and is a terrible person really leaves you disillusioned, not to mention needing a whole lot of therapy. You're free to do and believe what you will. I wish you well and hope that you find fulfillment in your path.
@@gonebattygoth lol i feel my mom blasts the end of the world evangelical pastors non stop 365. then i read the greek and went thru to the pre-nicean chruch writings and realized 95% has been corrupted to where its not even recognizable. bassically psychopaths, sociopath and conman have all been tearing at it for 2000 years for there own gain. non of the words work for the modern interpretation even the church structure was changed to a feudalistic hierarchy. rather then a neural network where everyone participated in enlightenment revelations thru the Logos, and then those idea where tested thru criticim, then if they sounded correct they passed them to another church to go thru more criticisms. so everybody participated and the best idea floated to the top.
rather then a pastor thinking hes the master and your his flock and it goes top down, shut up, don't question, listen to your weekly propaganda.
the main culpit was st. Augustine who was a gnositic who kill the church from within. he neither read greek or hebrew Augustine (354-430) to develop the first systematic defense of religious persecution in the history of western civilization. Augustine called his approach “righteous persecution” because it justified persecution for the righteous cause of saving people from the eternal torments of hell. he gained favor with the roman emperor and when the bishop of rome died, the new bishop got swayed which we now know as the pope. they then persecuted and killed all those who didnt agree.
martin luther was a monk of st augustine. since he never went back far enough it was never corrected. so even in protestant religions it never got better but only gotten worse, more superstitious and toxic.
As a Bi guy writing a character sheet for a campaign with a preacher's kid in it, hopefully this isn't a sign.
Nothing wrong with being religious. Only with being a fanatic.
@@Mediados don't worry I agree with you. He just watched me Dm a session this Sunday as an introduction, and I've talked with him a couple of times and I think he is a good guy.
It is a sign, get out, or get the psycho out of the group before game nights start.
@@darandala No it isn't
Why do you have such a toxic preconception of religious people?
@@IIKafka maybe because the entire consept of religion is toxic, dangerous, narrow minded, judgemental and insultingly dumb to boot.
/shrug ... if you don't want to play with gay people, then don't play with gay people. It's a social game to be played with people you like.
What is sad is that for me this has happened so many times it is just normal. Not in D&D but just like in life and it just get to the point where it is sad and then it just becomes funny.
I live in Germany and do you know what is normal here? Jews and migrants are spat on, attacked with pig's blood, their houses and stores smeared with graffiti and get death threats. And that happens to these people every day and that is part of their everyday life. The police do nothing, they don't even come by to record the crime. I know a Jewish restaurant owner in Berlin, who experiences these things every day and has not called the police for years, because they do not come anyway. But he knows a thousand ways to remove graffiti and how to get pig's blood out of clothes. And it makes me so incredibly angry.
@@TheLevantin lmao that isn't true you liar. What a fairy tale you live in.
Funny thing, the golden rule in Christianity is to treat those as you would want to be treated, and many of us fail to do that, as one who still cares for others around him regardless of what they're into or who they are, I deeply apologize for how others have treated you
@@magolor152 That was one of Jesus' main teachings, but of course, humans still abuse everything they have.
@@TheLevantin My husband and I were hunted by his father, luckily he was not a very bright man otherwise I make not be here.
We moved away and he never found us, he did tell a lot of people that we died, so that was fun to see those people again.
10:51 - lonely child here, literally everyone's target (even for the "nerds", despite being quite like one too) and still struggling with social interaction nowadays (also, some said "close friends" turning their backs, anyway). This crap is no joke and, when I'm accepted or invited for something, I feel SO DAMN GRATEFUL!
I hope things are getting better for you, and you have found (and continue to find) some good friends who support you and build you up.
@@lindafreeman7030 thank you so much!! 😄
Ofc he's an Oath of Conquest Paladin, what did I expect xD. Also once he got informed about a possible law action I already imagined him talking about his freedom of speech, it would've made it 10 times funnier
Brian gang, rise up and never use religion as an excuse for malicious purposes!
Nathan Nation in full support!
And Isl°m will never not be an excuse.
And every "single case" is not a single case but just a thing waiting to happen.
Unless you're an Oath of Conquest Paladin, then you kinda have to.
What about all the crusades in human history? People have done horrible things in Zealousness.
@@movespammerguyteam7colors the crusades were valid military actions against an invading force .
As a Christian, all I want to say is that we don’t claim this little problem player.
Same here
Don't really have a choice. Just as being into gaming means I have to recognize the rampant sexism in the community. You gotta recognize this part of yours. Obviously not all christians are like this but it's important we recognize and try to rid our groups of bigots.
I honestly don't know how the kid's going to react if the poor fellow learns about DragonRaid...
@@Vashy434 its true to try and rid communities of bigots, but saying they don’t claim them is also a good way of kicking them out of a community by denying their existence in relation to said community.
As a good Christian boy, yeah this guy’s a dick
Lol! OF COURSE Biblethump Jones played an Oath of Conquest paladin. 🤣
As someone who used to be Christian, the story most Christians that hate gay people use is one that's actually pretty vague and can also be interpreted as lust being the sin in question, because it's basically everyone in a town trying to get with an angel, men and women.
I can relate at some point with the 2nd story
I was lonely when i was young and went to a religious high school full of a$$holes who perceived themselves as superior beings just because mom and dad had money
Kid: I am the righteous hand of god
Lawyer with the ‘wanna bet’: And I’m the devil that you forgot
*kid logs out*
Eh I’m not shocked that he tried to go to a threat…some very unhinged Christian’s have killed for their god before and genuinely think because the other person was “a sinner” then it’s completely justified then again I think in that case I think the kid was just trying to sound tough to a group of adults who were telling him he’s wrong
It’s Muslims usually committing that kind of violence in the modern day.
You could remove Christian from that sentence and you'd be more fair, it's 100% on the unhinged part than the Christian part since that happens to be the common denominator regardless of them being atheist, muslim or serial killers.
@@oldstump1628 lol no I’ve watched so called Christian’s blow up god damn movie theaters cause they didn’t like a movie coming out…nice try tho
@@bovineavenger734 I mean obviously theirs unhinged people in all walks off life…some get it into their heads that god would be totally cool with them harming or killing someone who didn’t have the same beliefs as them
I hate to suggest perpetuating this attitude, but could you imagine them saying to the kid, "I'm gonna tell you're parents you were playing a Devil's game"?
As messed up as this story is, I love how everyone had the couple's back in an instant. That is friendship❤️
I had a serious falling out with a friend who recently became super religious. He held similar views about gay people as the kid in this story. I left that red flag filled conversation after an hour or so once he brought up politics becasue he believes the evangelical preachers who claim the 2020 election was stolen, and he believes the prophets who say Trump will win in 2024. I gave up on our friendship and he had the gall to call me rude for walking out on him. I doubt he will ever wake up from these delusions.
What makes me even more sad is thinking how depressing his life must have been in order to feel like he had to turn to such an extreme and sickening variant of Christianity.
yea there's a lot of culty evangelism church's out there. it mostly depends on the pastor and how much he gets off on the "im so rightious saying the things, no one likes to hear, but i have to say it, so this makes me the most righteous, pompous attitude" none of these people have actually attempted to read the greek or hebrew, they just parrot shit they have no clue what there talking about.
yahwah means " i am what is" and yahovah means " i am what become" the first verse of james says God is the logos.
God is reality and elohim. el meaning "the greatest,top,chief,best" IM- is a suffex used at the end of a word to convey " everything, and every subcategory that could ever be related to the concept before it.
So God represent reality, truth, logos. and the greatest reality conceivable by understanding it. so humanity can adopt it. it was old enlightenment philosophy. God was always the voice of reason/truth in the old testament books, or the writing on the wall.
but then you get mystism around 800-600 bc who created a post mythology fanfictions, with a celestial God what we have know. with angels and demons
then when God went back to being the logos in early greek christianity, it got taken over by gnostic mysticsism as well. which has been the status quo since, of heaven hell devil, dogmas ect. when the greek words dont fit those
same thing happened to the dao as well, it was living,understanding reality, then it got turned magical, celestial, heaven hell angels demons over time.
actually all older religions where science is the God, it eventually turns into a hokey magical religion pantheon generations later .
@@stevenmike1878 Even modern science is being turned into a magical hockey pockus ritual bs instead of actually following the scientific method these days due to people using it as political propaganda.
@@bovineavenger734 yea crazy how the powerful, corrupt the truth, so they can gain more power over others.
Funny how all those "prophets" have multiple prophecies that never came true... what does the Bible say about that, again? You know, one of those verses evangelicals ignore?
Incidents like this are why I doubt the idea of never undermining a parent's authority.
Sometimes others need to intervene if a parent is teaching racist/homophobic ideals to a child.
You say that like it’s a bad thing
@@jamoses5766
I don't mean it to be a bad thing.
But it's been an unspoken rule that you can't undermine what a parent says.
That may have been a thing for decades, but now that entitled parents are becoming more well-known I feel that unspoken rule needs to end/ have more exceptions.
If a parent wants to raise their child to be homphobic then that's none of your business.
@@j.jbinks9669 it becomes people's business however when said child is openly homophobic in public or group settings.
@@DrawciaGleam02 then ignore them? It's not difficult to distance yourself from a trigger.
You've no right to force your views onto anybody just like they've no right to force theirs onto you. Don't like them? Remove them from the group or leave the group yourself.
The little sidebar about toxic friendships and taking what you can get really resonated with me and I think it was well said. Thank you. Remember yall we deserve better.
It can be very difficult to remember that not all religious people are bigots, especially when one is recovering from religious trauma. Thank you for the reminder. Sincerely, a bi woman.
As a profound atheist, I agree. Most religious people I have met are great people, it’s just the loud minority.
I dont think I'll ever belive this. Christianity is built on hate. They tottered me as a child and made me hate myself. Made me attempt suicide twice. and the "good" ones? They didnt say a damn word about it or do anything to help. And even when I bring it up to "good" Christians now, they just change the fucking subject and pretend I fidnt say anything. Fuck them all
Dungeons and Dragons has always been a game about being in a world without the constraints of reality. A lot of people play it to get away from the shit they deal with in their real lives (including homophobia). Bullshit discrimination like this will never have a place in our community.
unfortunately the first and most important commandment also seems to be the most forgotten one.
To quote a wise man
"That boy aint right"
Good chance it's because of his parents.
Something severe like this, I'd want to give THE PARENTS a punishment alongside their horrible child!!
"I tell you hwhat."
Damnit, Bobby! There is no Wimatanye!
The "I'm a righteous paladin" in the second story
"I'm the righteous paladin"
Procedes to act in the most un-righteous ways imaginable.
Everyone is the hero of their story after all hahaha
5:04 reminds me of "A religious man is easy on himself and hard on others, a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself."
Critcrab: Enter World Anvil! *says absolutely nothing about WA* But that's not all!
It's like if Billy Maze started every commercial with "But wait there's more!" and then just said the add like usual, honestly made me chuckle so whether it was intentional or not thanks for that Crit, brightened my awful day up!
"All the tenacity of an Old Testament foreskin collector." Excellent wordsmanship, Mister Crab.
Thanks for being respectful towards Christians. You've taken more effort towards that than most UA-camrs (or even people) in general.
I’m surprised they didn’t ban the first guy during his 30 minute rant. I mean, he’s already displayed that he’s bigoted and intolerant. I don’t know what the group would gain from listening to him
A laugh
Entertainment.
I would pretty much ban him immediately after his comments about that the gay couple should go to jail
because that story is obviously fake lmao
Intolerance is basically a part of bigotry.
"I am the righteous Hexblade Warlock. This child sacrifices are completely justified."
8:17 I truly hope it's used independently of context. I truly want a Rogue to be caught stealing and dramatically shout "But I'm the righteous rogue!"
People of all religions - " That guy isn't with us."
Indeed, and I'm not even religious and I still can tell most religious people aren't like that.
Yeah we ain't dealing with that guy
Don’t forget religion not of this metaphysical dimension as well as those in alternative universes and timelines
He ain't our mans
You mean those sexual deviants? lol
Thank you for distinguishing between followers and zealots. Far too often, I see people in one of two camps: either religion is a sham and all religious people are fraudsters or religious people (of the individual’s particular faith) can do no wrong and are somehow better than the “heathens”
I'm a non-religious man engaged to another man in the deep south. As I pulled into the driveway yesterday I was ambushed by Mormon missionaries. They asked if I was religious, I told them about my relationship which to be fair has always scared off the other door to door missionaries before. They instead politely, seemingly sincerely, showed interest, and I realized that I was the bigot in that moment, and although organized religion still isn't for me I need to seriously examine the preconceptions I have about religious people. I've heard that there are churches that preach tolerance and acceptance, but I always thought that there were none around these parts.
...Boy, that escalated quickly! I mean that really got out of hand fast.
It jumped up a notch!
I'm actually not too upset at rhe kid himself just because he is 15 and I personally know I still had some bad opinions when I was 15. I also just have a soft spot for giving children of any age more of a benefit of the doubt than I do adults in general. If he continues to act like that into adulthood rather than learning to be a better person though, fuck em.
Albeit in the end I'm more mad at his family for not either stamping out that behavior, or worse and more likely, being the direct cause of ir.
The correct take
@@CritCrab the correct take on this take
@@lesouth0348 the correct on this take and another take
@@attashirearchives8185 the correct take on my take on crabs take on another person's take
If I was 15 and someone groomed me in to getting on a server with pedos I’d be pretty pissed off too.
Your commentary in this one was on point, great video!
Of course he was Oath of Conquest
I feel kinda bad for the first kid, he's probably been brainwashed his entire childhood and hasn't been outside much since. Hopefully he'll grow up, but in the case of this situation there wasn't much that could be done.
Theres a lot going on in your mind when your 14 , threatening him with court sort of sucks . ( IMHO )
@@woppite2932 Threatening to kill people sorta sucks and most civilized areas of the world have laws against it. You never know which squeaky voiced crotch goblin has access to firearms to make good on those threats.
@@woppite2932 i dont think it would have actually happened, but it was a good wake up call. You dont say things like that to anyone, period. No matter hoe old you are
@@woppite2932making death threats towards people for their sexual orientation is exponentially worse than telling that little shit he was gonna go to court. Dont be stupid.
I thought premarital eye contact would be the funniest thing I heard today, but old testament foreskin collector had me genuinely cackling oml much love to this series ✌️❤️😂
I like that you have empathy for people.
"All the tenacity of an old testament foreskin collector" To be fair, David wasn't all that big either =))
I thought his mandibles were a crab mustache idfk why
first. also love your channel Critcrab. you're my favorite reddit dnd person
Thx!
I think with the second story, it's more than just desperation. I have trouble telling people no, not just because I'm desperate for company, but because I know how much it hurts to be intentionally excluded, and I don't want to ever make someone feel that way. I can see letting someone join a dnd session, so they don't feel rejected. Especially if I don't know the bad stuff yet. They could have fun, and become great friends. You know, if they weren't toxic AF and rageing religious warriors who never read the bible, just cheery picked the bits they like.
"I am the righteous paladin!"
Dude. You're attacking a cleric.
I don't care what your stance of being gay is, threating murder is just to much.
As the kid, much like in these stories, I was not very nice or loving for a Christian. And it wasn't until I left religion and belief behind that I had to go back in my life and apologize to a lot of people for the very hateful things I said to them. Knowledge and critical thinking may set you free from religion, but it's only with empathy and sympathy can you start earning respect back.
'lashes outward'
That definition was beautiful critcrab. Beautiful.
I LOVE how your "Religious kid voice" its just Morty
all i could think about
Actually Most "Anti Gay or LGBT Religious Scripture" are Misinterpreted and Wrongly Used To Justify Hate But In Fact The Actual Scripture is Preaching Love and Acceptance and Being Friendly To Your Fellow Man
Wasn't it originally telling people not to f*** minors?