Last month I spent about 2 days figuring this out on my newly built PC. I had random black screens and dead PC during gaming especially. While browsing solutions online, I remember watching one of your previous videos that actually talked about the compatability issue of XMP and 4 sticks DDR5 as well. That inspired me. I have 2 * 2 * 32 GB Fury stick kit + 4090 + Z790 Hero MOBO. You helped me locate the exact problem: XMP. I ran a bunch of memtest and found that none of Auto, Manual + some recommended tuning, and XMP 1 worked at all. After upgrading the BIOS to the lastest version (08xx?), I found that only XMP2 at advertised rate or Manual at factory rate worked. After setting to XMP2, all problems were gone and my PC never worked this smoothly before. Your video is EXACTLY the tour I had been through. I really hoped this life saver had come a bit earlier. Great review!
@@NearMedia Yes sir this is the latest version by now. At the time I checked that out, 0904 wasn't available yet. Btw, 0816 works perfectly and I am not bothered to try 0904 for potentially new trash to deal with
@@NearMedia Yes sir. All tests were passed. Practically, it's been about 20 days with no black screen. No freeze. No sysfaults. Nothing. I assume it's long enough to be firm about it now.
4xDDR5 lowers the supported speeds. Unfortunately XMP/EXPO counts as memory overclocking so there 's CPUs that won't handle even 2xDDR5 at the advertised speeds, while over boards manage 4 DIMM configurations. I read the Gigabyite board notes and they were talking about their memory configuration avoiding drawbacks of daisy chaining. There's plenty of small server boards with ECC on the AMD side aimed at the small server market.
I just want to say thank you for this video! The information I attained from it is monumental when it comes to understanding how to approach RAM when building an enthusiast PC and overclocking as a whole and all of the specifics that need to be considered when choosing between speed, capacity and 2 or 4 sticks.
first of all, i was a bit scared away from a 1h41min video, but it was one of the best times spend to understand a lot of topics about memory better, than ever before. This will scale through many builds in the future!!!!
Man! What a greatly informative, interesting, and helpful video!! This clarified a bunch of questions I’ve had for years. Thank you for such a thoughtful interview (with perfect questions) with just the right person.
The ultimate guide indeed. This video is pure gold, countering all the misinformation and explaining clearly why 4 -v- 2 XMP stick configuratons may not give the expected results. Thank you!
I was just about to buy parts for my first build - this was the perfect course on what to look for and more importantly why! Thanks for doing it. I learned a lot and hopefully saved serious time and money!
wow... I am building a PC after many many years and had so many questions regarding RAM and XMP. Your video answered almost every single question that had come to my mind and then some. I could not hit the Subscribe button fast enough. Bless you for such a detailed and informative video
Any video with JJ is gonna be a banger, definite knowledge being dropped on ya. Third of the way through the video and I'm hooked. Thanks guys for the collab.
finished the build for my wife yesterday: 13900K on a MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi with 4x 16GB Corsair (CMT32GX5M2X6200C36, 6200MHz CL36, Hynix M) running absolutly rock solid in XMP @ 6200 with latest BIOS (7D89v15). Just turned on XMP1, expected a boot loop, but it simply worked with all stress tests. Fingers crossed. Very happy.
JJ has been the best spokesperson for Asus for years, always learning something new from him. Even though he works for the company, he actually gives valuable standardised info for a variety of products and situations not just Asus.
Thank you so much for this video, I have built a 4K 10 bit editing machine this weekend. And struggled with this very issue- watched this and fixed that problem!
Been doing this for the better part of 20 years and this information still fascinated me. There was good information in here that I dont recall ever learning even in school
Great Video. We always face issues with our DDR5 prebuilds with XMP profile and 4 Ram Dimm configurations (128GB). We use a combination of tools to test our prebuilds with 4 RAM DIMM configuration on XMP. The most effective one that can show the XMP issue is the Aida64 Stability Test. Sometimes we run AIDA 64 + Unigine Heaven for 20 to 30 minutes. Most Low-end Rams never get XMP performance, and we find a stable frequency by manually checking each frequency. Once again this is done for our prebuilds as stability is considered the most important aspect of our systems.
Great topic and excellent Guest. Very well versed. I don't think it a beginner video, more intemediate->enthusiasts/professionals. I was worried about the length, but he went systematically through explanation s. I learnt and added knowledge/understanding. Peace from South Africa 🇿🇦
Thats a ton lot of Info about NewGen RAM! I am a Average type that had a great hold of understanding about Computers but not a generally Overclocking type so this helped alot! Especially for those who understand more about how RAM and overclocking RAM works without the risk of damaging their investments blindingly. Thank you soo much to both of you keep up the good work and you have earned a subscriber! God Bless Sir!
This has to be the best video I have seen picking regarding all of these questions surrounding DDR5. Excellent selection of questions and as always JJ knows his stuff.
Over 20+ years of building and upgrading PC's I've learned a lot and every day still a school day. Thanks for the video. I'm using 2x32GB 3600 DDR4 CL18. When building (Jan 2020) my current daily (3950X in the X570 AORUS MASTER). I researched different combo's (via forums/videos/websites etc) of ram kits, mobo, CPU, GPU's and compared the QVL. Which led me to this set up, its not always as simple as 'plug and play'. When dealing different PC hardware, taking time can help but sometime trouble shooting take time. Even for the most simple fixes!
I dont do any production tasks and just stick to gaming but i do like this channel and the content made. This video 100% works for both. Definitely a great video.
The 4x DDR5 RAM problem of the Asus Prime Z690-A was solved with Bios update 2305. Have all my G Skill Tridenz Z5 5600Mhz installed & tested with MemTest86 V10.2 free (USB). Before it was not possible for me 4x DDR 5 with 5600Mhz stable to run. am glad that it now runs. Great video THANKS
Ok, just found your video. I had XMP working on an i9-10900k, then did a bios update and i have never been able to get it to work since. So its been a couple years, im cautiously optimistic. Will update after watching.
I think that 'rank' can better be explained by considering the extra capacitance added to the address and data lines if the sticks are double sided (current 32gb per stick!). This extra capacitance slows down the rise and fall times of the signals as well as additional load on the IMC. Maximum RAM chip size has just jumped to 24GB allowing 48GB with two x single rank and 7200MTs (G.Skill 7200 or even 8000+ if you have an Apex M/B). I'm running the 7200 on my Asus ROG Z790 Hero and just about to start playing with faster timings 🙂). Great video BTW!
I express my gratitude for an excellent tutorial. Initially, I acquired a Corsair DDR4-3600 64GB module and promptly observed that it failed to deliver the expected speed, resulting in the sluggish performance of applications and frequent crashes. Subsequently, I made an exchange for a DDR4-3200 64GB module. Upon attending an Asus BIOS class 101, I was able to optimize the settings, achieving the desired performance level.
This should be taught in elementary schools. I'm an old guy involved in custom PCs and what I've learned is that there are so many variables involved in a custom system that it's a miracle that it actually works in most cases. That is the reason why I appreciate Windows in the Linux vs Win debate.
Great interview video, all the info JJ shown helps a lot. My setup is frustrating. i9-13900K with Asus Prime A Wifi Z790 MB and Corsair two sets of 64GB Kit 6000Mhz CL40 (2x32GB Sticks) for 128GB filling up all the DIMM slots. Only 2 DIMMs in A2/B2 slots and XMP enabled and the CPU overheats on POST. I think the best I seen 2 sticks go on self adjustment during POST is 4800 Mhz and I don't think within Windows it was that great working. 4 sticks has been hit and miss to even get into windows but at 2nd last POST they trained to 3600Mhz and when the computer would go to sleep would not wake up properly like the USBs in the back I/O panel were not active or something. Keyboard wireless to the Dongle was not connected looking. So on next BIOS entry i have the 4 sticks setup at 3000Mhz just changing that DRAM Frequency Drop down box for the Memory Divider and not changing anything else.
I finally figured out how to use 4 sticks of DDR5 on a Z790 Dark Hero. This video shows you how, but it doesn't understand what it shows you. I had the same problem going from 64gb of 6400 ram (2 sticks) to 128gb of 6400 ram (4 sticks). I began only being able to run it with optimized defaults after returning my original purchase of the extra two sticks and exchanging it. The return wasn't necessary and didn't work. After a couple of UA-cam videos that said that I can just reset the BIOS, I could run it at the optimized default settings. It ran, but at 4200. After watching this video, I was inadvertently shown where you can see the true speed of the ram and that the speed printed on the box is the overclock speed. On the EZ Mode settings above the X.M.P., it will tell you the speed of the ram the motherboard sees. Do not change the setting in EZ Mode, leave it disabled. Go back to Advanced Mode and leave everything to Auto. Drop down to Memory controller and change the frequency to 4800. Don't touch anything else. Save settings and reboot. It will reboot with the new settings. Yes, it runs at 6400 when I use 2 sticks. This does not apply with 4 sticks. I know that at 4200 my system is very stable. It is a bit faster at 4800, but I need to use it for a while to test how stable it actually is. I do know that I couldn't get it to boot when I used a higher speed, and the video didn't turn on. On the Dark Hero, I have to remove the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS. This is a pain. Anyway, I am up now. If I experience anymore glitches, I know I can reset the BIOS to its default settings and run without issues. I bought the extra ram because 64gb wasn't enough ram and I crashed when I had too many tabs open in Microsoft Edge. With 128gb of ram, or 4 sticks, I am more stable and don't crash. Anyway, I hope this helps.
😂I.C. Integrated circuit A term we use in the 80’s..how i miss building my first FM radio and 50w amplifier during my high school electronics elective days..soldering each parts, reading resistor color, trouble shooting transistors, etching and building your own PCB’s,micro drilling each holes for electronic components and soldering each piece in the board..reading and mastering schematic diagram, my high school fun times🙂..
Such a high value interview! Massive amount of useful information and very pleasant to watch. GJ! Im running 2x32GB DDR5 6600 on an Asus ROG Strix Z790-H, intel i13700-k , BIOS v.1202 without issues so far.
I wish reviewers would do their first tests of CPUs while running memory at JEDEC. If that is the speed they guarantee, that is how they should be evaluated. If the CPU manufacturer thinks its "sweet spot" is 6000MT/s then they should validate the CPUs for that speed, especially if they say running XMP/ EXPO will void the warranty.
It's very simple, if the advertised speed isn't the JEDEC speed, then achieving the speed with XMP does not void warranty. If they want to claim that, you can simply countersue them for fraudulent marketing and earn an easy case win. If the basis of your purchase is that XMP-enabled speed was what they advertised, then that's what is legally binding in court. However, if you use XMP to exceed the advertised speed rating on the product packaging/marketed description, then it will void warranty.
@@Real_MisterSir Lets take AMD. They seeded reviewers with EXPO 6000MT/s sticks, claiming its the sweet spot memory. However if you look at their webpage it specifically lists DDR5-5200 2x2R or 2x1R as the Max supported memory speed. If this is all they are willing to cover under warranty/guarantee as an achievable speed, that should be what the base review uses.
I thought it was the reviewers (both good and bad ones honestly) pointed out ages ago how finiky memeory was with the newer playforms, sonetimes not even being able to achieve what they ARE rated for given the chips themselves
There should be a notice on the box! I bought two 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 6000 kits and could not get a proper overclock no matter what I did. 4800 is just too too slow for me! Luckily I was able to return them and I bought a single 2x32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400 kit instead.
Wow, great to put a face to the name. I hear JJ's name mentioned so often in regards to the Asus account in UA-cam Livestream chat when I see PC builds happening .
The ROG certified memory profile works great on my Team Group Dark ROG 16GB DDR4-3000 (x2 8GB single rank). I bought this kit because of Toms Hardware review saying each stick was dual ranked. Either they were mistaken or IC's were drastically changed mid manufacture.
Excellent and very informative video! It's too bad that ASUS doesn't have employees of the caliber of J.J. working in their customer support department.
This has to be the most insightful and informative Video I've seen on youtube in a good while. Thank you for bringing JJ on! I wish you had asked JJ a couple of question that came to mind during his talk, but I'm sure it was more that enough for you get answer for the questions you had written down. Again, excellent work. BTW do you have a patreon or something?😁
Enjoy this a lot. I remember when I got my Asus X99 Deluxe board back in 2015. It has 8 dimm slots and I have it fully populated but only 64gb total because back then 8GB was the largest dimm I could get, so I got 2x 4 dimm kits. It still runs great to this day running a 5960x.
Exact same configuration. I have 3 X99 boards, all ASUS. Originally had FlareX ( 8 x 8G ) on the Rampage V Edition 10 / 6900k, always worked great. Swapped in G.Skills Trident RGB ( 8 x 8G ) when I installed the Flare X onto a Aorus X399 TR4 Board with a 1950X. All kits I use are 3200mhz . Seems after the Trident Z was installed, little things would freeze ( like the mouse ) What faults can occur when it's a memory problem ? Can I manually reduce the Ram speed to 3000mhz to see if that helps or increase the voltage?
22:00 lol that is me, wanting to go with 4x8GB config which is only 32GB instead of 64 or even 128. but its more than enough for my use cases; A- 1080p gaming B- 1080p 60Hz video editing C- 1080p game recording/streaming
In all my years, even with fairly aggressive overclocking the CPU is generally the last thing to go. The highest failure rates are your motherboard, GPU and PSU.
Absolutely agree on the RAM massaging. I currently run a 64GB kit of Mushkin rated at 3600 MT/s CL16. It would downright refuse posting on my system with XMP enabled. However, when I started dialling it in manually I would inch closer and closer to stable 4000 MT/s CL 18 with super tight tertiary timings and even voltage below XMP. Going through that and learning the ins and outs of memory tuning was a cool and ultimately rewarding experience.
Thanks for the video Fixed my XMP isssue. The comment on A2/B2 should be used. I am sure a dumb mistake, but I was in A1/B1 changed and now running find with XMP dram 6000
Thank you for this informative video! I don't want to jinx myself, but I think I fixed my issues from this video. Memtest errors in first 10 minutes and OCCT threw 600 error in 3 minutes. Changed RAM slots (as in changing places, still using A2&B2). And turned on XMPII instead of XMP I. Memtest for 9 hours and no error. Looks like XMP I with Asus timings messed with my system. Games were BSODing etc. Asus Z790 PROART WIFI and Corair Vengeance 6400Mhz CL32. P.S. The AI OC uses XMP I.
50:10 Actually, Some components voltages may be too high, Asus massage is more of an Asus Smash! If you are having trouble with 14th and XMP over 5800 try setting System Agent Voltage to 1.2 STATIC, it will probably save you.
Good video, shared opinion directly from ASUS The bad thing about all this is that according to Intel, you have already exceeded the processor frequency for memory of 5600 MHz and in some situations you may even lose your warranty EXPO and XMP are technologies of Intel and AMD, but what happens is, the frequency of their processors is much lower, and the manufacturers of memory and motherboards are competing to support higher values, high values that violate the processor warranty. A clever backdoor to avoid warranty service perhaps. Separately, we all saw what the high values lead to in the 13th and 14th generations In my opinion, not only the oxidation of the 13th and 14th generation Intel processors a problem after such a voltage boost, but it's even possibly on the motherboard. The Multi Core option that was the default caused Intel processors to reach insane voltages and power consumption. Let's get back to the topic. I also use DDR5 at 6000 CL30 with the same timings on XMP1 13900K, Z790 DARK HERO, liquid cooling EK 360
I'm upgradiing to a new PC with DDR5, but I would like to be able to use either 128GB or 192GB, but I am worried about the stablilty issues. I'd like to know more about adding only x2 48GB ram sticks for a total of 96GB.
Last month I spent about 2 days figuring this out on my newly built PC. I had random black screens and dead PC during gaming especially. While browsing solutions online, I remember watching one of your previous videos that actually talked about the compatability issue of XMP and 4 sticks DDR5 as well. That inspired me. I have 2 * 2 * 32 GB Fury stick kit + 4090 + Z790 Hero MOBO. You helped me locate the exact problem: XMP. I ran a bunch of memtest and found that none of Auto, Manual + some recommended tuning, and XMP 1 worked at all. After upgrading the BIOS to the lastest version (08xx?), I found that only XMP2 at advertised rate or Manual at factory rate worked. After setting to XMP2, all problems were gone and my PC never worked this smoothly before. Your video is EXACTLY the tour I had been through. I really hoped this life saver had come a bit earlier. Great review!
This is me right now. I'm on day 5.
XMP is intel gigante
@@NearMedia Yes sir this is the latest version by now. At the time I checked that out, 0904 wasn't available yet. Btw, 0816 works perfectly and I am not bothered to try 0904 for potentially new trash to deal with
@@NearMedia Yes sir. All tests were passed. Practically, it's been about 20 days with no black screen. No freeze. No sysfaults. Nothing. I assume it's long enough to be firm about it now.
4xDDR5 lowers the supported speeds. Unfortunately XMP/EXPO counts as memory overclocking so there 's CPUs that won't handle even 2xDDR5 at the advertised speeds, while over boards manage 4 DIMM configurations. I read the Gigabyite board notes and they were talking about their memory configuration avoiding drawbacks of daisy chaining. There's plenty of small server boards with ECC on the AMD side aimed at the small server market.
I just want to say thank you for this video! The information I attained from it is monumental when it comes to understanding how to approach RAM when building an enthusiast PC and overclocking as a whole and all of the specifics that need to be considered when choosing between speed, capacity and 2 or 4 sticks.
I fully agree, this video should be pinned and shared. The presentation and the educational value needs to be shared.
This is on of the most interesting and informative videos on UA-cam. I can only imagine how difficult it was to make. Thank you!
This channel is top tier. Deserves way more subs / recognition.
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first of all, i was a bit scared away from a 1h41min video, but it was one of the best times spend to understand a lot of topics about memory better, than ever before. This will scale through many builds in the future!!!!
I remember JJ from waaaaay back, and it's always good to hear him share his knowledge. Fantastic discussion - thank you!
Thanks!
I've been researching about technical difficulties with 4 sticks of DDR5. This by far provides so much information. thank you for this video.
Man! What a greatly informative, interesting, and helpful video!! This clarified a bunch of questions I’ve had for years. Thank you for such a thoughtful interview (with perfect questions) with just the right person.
The ultimate guide indeed. This video is pure gold, countering all the misinformation and explaining clearly why 4 -v- 2 XMP stick configuratons may not give the expected results. Thank you!
I was just about to buy parts for my first build - this was the perfect course on what to look for and more importantly why! Thanks for doing it. I learned a lot and hopefully saved serious time and money!
wow... I am building a PC after many many years and had so many questions regarding RAM and XMP. Your video answered almost every single question that had come to my mind and then some. I could not hit the Subscribe button fast enough. Bless you for such a detailed and informative video
Any video with JJ is gonna be a banger, definite knowledge being dropped on ya. Third of the way through the video and I'm hooked. Thanks guys for the collab.
finished the build for my wife yesterday:
13900K on a MSI Z790 Carbon Wifi with 4x 16GB Corsair (CMT32GX5M2X6200C36, 6200MHz CL36, Hynix M) running absolutly rock solid in XMP @ 6200 with latest BIOS (7D89v15).
Just turned on XMP1, expected a boot loop, but it simply worked with all stress tests. Fingers crossed. Very happy.
lock the p-cores on that 13900k asap.
JJ has been the best spokesperson for Asus for years, always learning something new from him. Even though he works for the company, he actually gives valuable standardised info for a variety of products and situations not just Asus.
Thank you so much for this video, I have built a 4K 10 bit editing machine this weekend. And struggled with this very issue- watched this and fixed that problem!
Been doing this for the better part of 20 years and this information still fascinated me. There was good information in here that I dont recall ever learning even in school
Great Video. We always face issues with our DDR5 prebuilds with XMP profile and 4 Ram Dimm configurations (128GB). We use a combination of tools to test our prebuilds with 4 RAM DIMM configuration on XMP. The most effective one that can show the XMP issue is the Aida64 Stability Test. Sometimes we run AIDA 64 + Unigine Heaven for 20 to 30 minutes. Most Low-end Rams never get XMP performance, and we find a stable frequency by manually checking each frequency. Once again this is done for our prebuilds as stability is considered the most important aspect of our systems.
Great topic and excellent Guest. Very well versed. I don't think it a beginner video, more intemediate->enthusiasts/professionals. I was worried about the length, but he went systematically through explanation s. I learnt and added knowledge/understanding. Peace from South Africa 🇿🇦
This guy is actually very knowledgeable. Good content.
Thats a ton lot of Info about NewGen RAM! I am a Average type that had a great hold of understanding about Computers but not a generally Overclocking type so this helped alot! Especially for those who understand more about how RAM and overclocking RAM works without the risk of damaging their investments blindingly. Thank you soo much to both of you keep up the good work and you have earned a subscriber! God Bless Sir!
I was waiting for that Topology talk mmmmm MMMMMMMMMMM!
This has to be the best video I have seen picking regarding all of these questions surrounding DDR5. Excellent selection of questions and as always JJ knows his stuff.
JJ as always rocks with very helpful info. Awesome video. 👍 !!
Over 20+ years of building and upgrading PC's I've learned a lot and every day still a school day. Thanks for the video. I'm using 2x32GB 3600 DDR4 CL18. When building (Jan 2020) my current daily (3950X in the X570 AORUS MASTER). I researched different combo's (via forums/videos/websites etc) of ram kits, mobo, CPU, GPU's and compared the QVL. Which led me to this set up, its not always as simple as 'plug and play'. When dealing different PC hardware, taking time can help but sometime trouble shooting take time. Even for the most simple fixes!
I dont do any production tasks and just stick to gaming but i do like this channel and the content made. This video 100% works for both. Definitely a great video.
JJ! Man he's been around for a minute :D glad to see him :D
This is frikkin awesome information!!!
Learnt so much
The 4x DDR5 RAM problem of the Asus Prime Z690-A was solved with Bios update 2305. Have all my G Skill Tridenz Z5 5600Mhz installed & tested with MemTest86 V10.2 free (USB). Before it was not possible for me 4x DDR 5 with 5600Mhz stable to run. am glad that it now runs. Great video THANKS
Great content! I had a bit of trouble getting 4 sticks to post at XMP speeds, and now I understand why. I had to up the voltage to 1.45v.
Ok, just found your video. I had XMP working on an i9-10900k, then did a bios update and i have never been able to get it to work since. So its been a couple years, im cautiously optimistic. Will update after watching.
I think that 'rank' can better be explained by considering the extra capacitance added to the address and data lines if the sticks are double sided (current 32gb per stick!). This extra capacitance slows down the rise and fall times of the signals as well as additional load on the IMC. Maximum RAM chip size has just jumped to 24GB allowing 48GB with two x single rank and 7200MTs (G.Skill 7200 or even 8000+ if you have an Apex M/B). I'm running the 7200 on my Asus ROG Z790 Hero and just about to start playing with faster timings 🙂). Great video BTW!
I express my gratitude for an excellent tutorial. Initially, I acquired a Corsair DDR4-3600 64GB module and promptly observed that it failed to deliver the expected speed, resulting in the sluggish performance of applications and frequent crashes. Subsequently, I made an exchange for a DDR4-3200 64GB module. Upon attending an Asus BIOS class 101, I was able to optimize the settings, achieving the desired performance level.
This is such a comprehensive and helpful video for understanding XMP. Thanks so much for creating this!
This helps alot, and because of this i subscribed. I mostly game but this channel still has alot of good info
Thank you guys. Detailed questions and more detailed answers. Continue again. I follow you from the Middle East
i'm really starting to love this channel. just found it the other day. this is good stuff! everyone should subscribe
Welcome aboard!
This should be taught in elementary schools.
I'm an old guy involved in custom PCs and what I've learned is that there are so many variables involved in a custom system that it's a miracle that it actually works in most cases.
That is the reason why I appreciate Windows in the Linux vs Win debate.
Just came across this video and your channel, instant sub! This video is just epic! Can't wait to watch your other content, keep up the great work!
Learn lot from this!! Been having issues with running 7200 on my encore
Great Video! Thank you both and anyone else involved. Learned a lot!
Great interview video, all the info JJ shown helps a lot. My setup is frustrating. i9-13900K with Asus Prime A Wifi Z790 MB and Corsair two sets of 64GB Kit 6000Mhz CL40 (2x32GB Sticks) for 128GB filling up all the DIMM slots. Only 2 DIMMs in A2/B2 slots and XMP enabled and the CPU overheats on POST. I think the best I seen 2 sticks go on self adjustment during POST is 4800 Mhz and I don't think within Windows it was that great working. 4 sticks has been hit and miss to even get into windows but at 2nd last POST they trained to 3600Mhz and when the computer would go to sleep would not wake up properly like the USBs in the back I/O panel were not active or something. Keyboard wireless to the Dongle was not connected looking. So on next BIOS entry i have the 4 sticks setup at 3000Mhz just changing that DRAM Frequency Drop down box for the Memory Divider and not changing anything else.
Huge amount of valuable info on RAM. Many thanks!
Excellent video! It really helped my understanding of DDR5 RAM.
Good morning this was very good explanation of the mem 😊
The best damn video I've seen on the internet on RAM and XMP.
Fantastic video ! Thank you
Awesome stuff, such a pleasure to learn from this guy.
I finally figured out how to use 4 sticks of DDR5 on a Z790 Dark Hero. This video shows you how, but it doesn't understand what it shows you. I had the same problem going from 64gb of 6400 ram (2 sticks) to 128gb of 6400 ram (4 sticks). I began only being able to run it with optimized defaults after returning my original purchase of the extra two sticks and exchanging it. The return wasn't necessary and didn't work. After a couple of UA-cam videos that said that I can just reset the BIOS, I could run it at the optimized default settings. It ran, but at 4200. After watching this video, I was inadvertently shown where you can see the true speed of the ram and that the speed printed on the box is the overclock speed. On the EZ Mode settings above the X.M.P., it will tell you the speed of the ram the motherboard sees. Do not change the setting in EZ Mode, leave it disabled. Go back to Advanced Mode and leave everything to Auto. Drop down to Memory controller and change the frequency to 4800. Don't touch anything else. Save settings and reboot. It will reboot with the new settings. Yes, it runs at 6400 when I use 2 sticks. This does not apply with 4 sticks. I know that at 4200 my system is very stable. It is a bit faster at 4800, but I need to use it for a while to test how stable it actually is. I do know that I couldn't get it to boot when I used a higher speed, and the video didn't turn on. On the Dark Hero, I have to remove the CMOS battery to reset the BIOS. This is a pain. Anyway, I am up now. If I experience anymore glitches, I know I can reset the BIOS to its default settings and run without issues. I bought the extra ram because 64gb wasn't enough ram and I crashed when I had too many tabs open in Microsoft Edge. With 128gb of ram, or 4 sticks, I am more stable and don't crash. Anyway, I hope this helps.
😂I.C. Integrated circuit A term we use in the 80’s..how i miss building my first FM radio and 50w amplifier during my high school electronics elective days..soldering each parts, reading resistor color, trouble shooting transistors, etching and building your own PCB’s,micro drilling each holes for electronic components and soldering each piece in the board..reading and mastering schematic diagram, my high school fun times🙂..
Holly Molly, that video is big but I need to watch it whole
This is a great video! I wish I would’ve watched this before my most recent build.
Thanks for the video! This memory thing is so frustrating..
Thank you!! This answered a dozen questions I had and several more that were important but I didn't even know to ask.
Thanks for making this much needed video!
Such a high value interview! Massive amount of useful information and very pleasant to watch. GJ!
Im running 2x32GB DDR5 6600 on an Asus ROG Strix Z790-H, intel i13700-k , BIOS v.1202 without issues so far.
I wish reviewers would do their first tests of CPUs while running memory at JEDEC. If that is the speed they guarantee, that is how they should be evaluated. If the CPU manufacturer thinks its "sweet spot" is 6000MT/s then they should validate the CPUs for that speed, especially if they say running XMP/ EXPO will void the warranty.
It's very simple, if the advertised speed isn't the JEDEC speed, then achieving the speed with XMP does not void warranty. If they want to claim that, you can simply countersue them for fraudulent marketing and earn an easy case win. If the basis of your purchase is that XMP-enabled speed was what they advertised, then that's what is legally binding in court.
However, if you use XMP to exceed the advertised speed rating on the product packaging/marketed description, then it will void warranty.
@@Real_MisterSir Lets take AMD. They seeded reviewers with EXPO 6000MT/s sticks, claiming its the sweet spot memory. However if you look at their webpage it specifically lists DDR5-5200 2x2R or 2x1R as the Max supported memory speed. If this is all they are willing to cover under warranty/guarantee as an achievable speed, that should be what the base review uses.
I thought it was the reviewers (both good and bad ones honestly) pointed out ages ago how finiky memeory was with the newer playforms, sonetimes not even being able to achieve what they ARE rated for given the chips themselves
This is an awesome video. Send it to all your friends
Great stuff! This helped me understand memory so much better, Thank you!!
Super fascinating to know every part has variances / performance limits.. great interview !!
There should be a notice on the box!
I bought two 2x16GB Corsair Vengeance RGB 6000 kits and could not get a proper overclock no matter what I did. 4800 is just too too slow for me! Luckily I was able to return them and I bought a single 2x32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6400 kit instead.
Great Video! I even sat through the entire video! Great information thank you and JJ from Asus too!
Regardless of Asus's issues, Juan Guerrero is a brilliant contributor. He really knows his onions and explains complex tech very well.
Really ramming it home...i learnt a lot here, thx guys
Fantastic interview. Thanks fellas!
Nice one at 0:15, there is a FURY (FUw RYasons)! Great vid!
This was great!
*Thanks for the video!*
Wow, great to put a face to the name. I hear JJ's name mentioned so often in regards to the Asus account in UA-cam Livestream chat when I see PC builds happening .
Wow !!! Amazing Video!!! This has been so helpful.
Fantastic Video.. I love JJ wish i has seen this before.
Very informative show. Thank you both.
The ROG certified memory profile works great on my Team Group Dark ROG 16GB DDR4-3000 (x2 8GB single rank). I bought this kit because of Toms Hardware review saying each stick was dual ranked. Either they were mistaken or IC's were drastically changed mid manufacture.
Excellent and very informative video! It's too bad that ASUS doesn't have employees of the caliber of J.J. working in their customer support department.
This has to be the most insightful and informative Video I've seen on youtube in a good while. Thank you for bringing JJ on!
I wish you had asked JJ a couple of question that came to mind during his talk, but I'm sure it was more that enough for you get answer for the questions you had written down. Again, excellent work.
BTW do you have a patreon or something?😁
Great technical review. Fantastic.
Enjoy this a lot. I remember when I got my Asus X99 Deluxe board back in 2015. It has 8 dimm slots and I have it fully populated but only 64gb total because back then 8GB was the largest dimm I could get, so I got 2x 4 dimm kits. It still runs great to this day running a 5960x.
Exact same configuration. I have 3 X99 boards, all ASUS. Originally had FlareX ( 8 x 8G ) on the Rampage V Edition 10 / 6900k, always worked great. Swapped in G.Skills Trident RGB ( 8 x 8G ) when I installed the Flare X onto a Aorus X399 TR4 Board with a 1950X. All kits I use are 3200mhz . Seems after the Trident Z was installed, little things would freeze ( like the mouse ) What faults can occur when it's a memory problem ? Can I manually reduce the Ram speed to 3000mhz to see if that helps or increase the voltage?
Very comprehensive video, bravo !
22:00 lol that is me, wanting to go with 4x8GB config which is only 32GB instead of 64 or even 128. but its more than enough for my use cases; A- 1080p gaming B- 1080p 60Hz video editing C- 1080p game recording/streaming
In all my years, even with fairly aggressive overclocking the CPU is generally the last thing to go. The highest failure rates are your motherboard, GPU and PSU.
They seem to be the most expensive right now. Good business for the manufactures.
@@Loppy2u .. Yeah engineering failure by design is pretty evil.
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Absolutely agree on the RAM massaging. I currently run a 64GB kit of Mushkin rated at 3600 MT/s CL16. It would downright refuse posting on my system with XMP enabled. However, when I started dialling it in manually I would inch closer and closer to stable 4000 MT/s CL 18 with super tight tertiary timings and even voltage below XMP. Going through that and learning the ins and outs of memory tuning was a cool and ultimately rewarding experience.
Well you can get & tune fast memory with x3D then discover the lower rated untuned cheapest has the same application performance. 😮😮
Great Video. Helped me TS my AMD expo issue.
Wow. This was more like a university level experience. Great video.
Amazing video! Thank you 🔥
Excellent video. Very educational. Well done.
Thank you so much for this vid!!!! I got some great information on ram!!!
Thanks for the video Fixed my XMP isssue. The comment on A2/B2 should be used. I am sure a dumb mistake, but I was in A1/B1 changed and now running find with XMP dram 6000
WOW, this helps me big time. Thank You, Thank You, Thank You.
Thank you, so much. Invaluable information to learn.
This video is invaluable. Thank you
Very nice analysis thanks for sharing.
Thank you for this informative video!
I don't want to jinx myself, but I think I fixed my issues from this video.
Memtest errors in first 10 minutes and OCCT threw 600 error in 3 minutes.
Changed RAM slots (as in changing places, still using A2&B2). And turned on XMPII instead of XMP I.
Memtest for 9 hours and no error.
Looks like XMP I with Asus timings messed with my system. Games were BSODing etc.
Asus Z790 PROART WIFI and Corair Vengeance 6400Mhz CL32.
P.S. The AI OC uses XMP I.
50:10 Actually, Some components voltages may be too high, Asus massage is more of an Asus Smash! If you are having trouble with 14th and XMP over 5800 try setting System Agent Voltage to 1.2 STATIC, it will probably save you.
Really informative video... well done guys
Good video, shared opinion directly from ASUS
The bad thing about all this is that according to Intel, you have already exceeded the processor frequency for memory of 5600 MHz and in some situations you may even lose your warranty
EXPO and XMP are technologies of Intel and AMD, but what happens is, the frequency of their processors is much lower, and the manufacturers of memory and motherboards are competing to support higher values, high values that violate the processor warranty. A clever backdoor to avoid warranty service perhaps.
Separately, we all saw what the high values lead to in the 13th and 14th generations
In my opinion, not only the oxidation of the 13th and 14th generation Intel processors a problem after such a voltage boost, but it's even possibly on the motherboard.
The Multi Core option that was the default caused Intel processors to reach insane voltages and power consumption.
Let's get back to the topic. I also use DDR5 at 6000 CL30 with the same timings on XMP1 13900K, Z790 DARK HERO, liquid cooling EK 360
Great video with all the answers I was looking for. Thanks
I'm upgradiing to a new PC with DDR5, but I would like to be able to use either 128GB or 192GB, but I am worried about the stablilty issues. I'd like to know more about adding only x2 48GB ram sticks for a total of 96GB.
Can we get a shoutout for the awesome RGB in this video? Mesmerizing.
Great video so much info for people who building on there own.
PC performance schooling that is not esoteric. I understood JJ's explanations to your well thought out questions.
Wow.
Soooo much good i fo in this video.
Thank you!!!