1970 Ford Torino Super Cobra Jet vs 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass W31 | STOCK DRAG RACE
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2022
- 1970 Ford Torino SCJ drag racing 1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass S W-31. Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race. Factory Stock Drag Race.
First car is a 1970 Ford Torino. The other a 1969 Oldsmobile W31. The W31 has a 350 V8 rated 325 horsepower and the Super Cobra Jet has a 429 V8 rated 375 horsepower. The Torino has a 4-speed manual, and the Olds has a TH350 3-speed automatic. The Torino weighs 4108 pounds with driver, while the Cutlass is 3640. Rear gearing in the Cutlass is 4.33, and in the Torino 4.30.
Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race (PSMCDR). FAST Factory Appearing Stock Tire factory stock. Super Car Drag Race.
Remember, both cars participate in the Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race series, so please check out their website: www.psmcdr.com
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The rules for PSMCDR are listed below:
For 1955 to 1979 musclecars built in United States and Canadian assembly plants with a minimum warranty of 12 months and 12,000 miles.
Any car running faster than 11.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Any convertible running faster than 13.50 will be disqualified and will not have a qualifying time recorded.
Casting numbers must be correct for the year and horsepower claimed including intake manifold, heads, and exhaust manifolds. Blocks do not have to be "numbers matching," but they must be the correct displacement. Overbores up to .070" are allowed. Stock cranks only.
All Engines - compression ratio 1.5 extra points allowed over advertised.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed.
The valve train must be factory stock for the year, make, and horsepower claimed.
The ignition system must be stock, including the distributor, cap, coil, and wires. Points may be replaced with any electronic conversion that fits under the stock distributor cap.
The carburetor must be correct for the year, make, and horsepower claimed. Jetting and metering changes are permitted. THE CHOKE ASSEMBLY MUST BE IN PLACE AND FUNCTIONAL!
Cast-iron exhaust manifolds are mandatory and must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed. Internal modifications to the exhaust manifolds are NOT allowed. Under no circumstances will headers be allowed, including those cars that came with headers delivered in the trunk. Pipes must be routed as they were originally for the year, make, model, and engine combination. Mufflers must be stock looking in design, that is, oval in shape. No glasspacks or straight pipes allowed unless installed as original equipment. Maximum muffler inlet and outlet size is 2.5 inches. X & H pipes allowed.
The radiator must be correct for the year, make, model, and horsepower claimed. No lightweight, aluminum radiators allowed.
The camshaft must be correct for the year, model, and horsepower claimed for the type of lifter (hydraulic or solid). Roller cams NOT allowed. Duration at .050" lobe lift must be within 1% of factory specs. Lift at the valve must be within 2% of factory specs. Maximum stall limited to 2200 rpm.
The transmission must be correct for year, make, model and engine of the car. 3-speed manuals may be upgraded to the correct 4-speed if originally available.
The rear axle must be of the same manufacturer as the car. Any gear ratio is allowed.
Reproduction tires or radial tires only.You are allowed to run tires one size over stock.
Factory wheels only.
Disclaimer: The Cars And Zebras UA-cam channel is a news channel bringing results/news of drag racing with added history of automobiles. All footage/pictures used were either captured by the Cars And Zebras channel, or used for critique purposes under Fair Use. - Авто та транспорт
The Ram Rod 350 is among my favorite engines. Big block performance without Mr Insurance Man coming down on you. Great racing, thank you as always!
Shit. I had a 1969 RS/SS and paid about 60 bucks every 3 months.
@@danhillman4523 '67-'69 Camaro Z/28 openers were not that lucky. Eventually, insurance companies caught on that the Z/28 was different than the usual V8 Camaro. Same thing happened to '69-'70 Boss 302 Mustang owners. I beat that nonsense by registering my all options '69 Boss 302 Mustang with combination license plates and later put used car dealer plates on it after I opened my classic/vintage vehicles shop. I bought the car new at TASCA Ford in RI. I still have it today and it's registered as an Antique Auto. Insurance is fairly cheap despite it's ultra high value..
Absolutely, and Olds durability. I had a 72 Cutlass Supreme when I was 19, 350 4 barrel, it was a very strong and smooth car. At one point I upgraded the trans with a Turbo 400 out of a Grand Prix, and she would snap 2nd gear rubber consistently under heavy throttle. Allot of people don't realize how expensive it was getting (and sometimes just not possible) to get insurance on a 400 plus cube musclecar as a young male after about 1969. The Pontiac Tempest was another GM route to get muscle under the radar as well. Insurance companies classified the 70 GT-37 Tempest as a standard passenger car even with the 400 4 speed like mine. They had no way to differentiate the motor trans combo by the Vin. .....Now a GTO? Different story right off the bat, 3 times the cost to insure if you were 19 !
@@gt-37guy6 Side bar - love the GT-37. Nice taste in cars!
@@charlesdalton985 Thank you. I lucked out finding this car...has been quite a journey. It runs like new now after a ton of work, but is a very old resto showing allot of bubbles and character...
I love that Torino cobra, both cars are awesome cars but I’d go with the Torino if I had to pick one. I like all the old muscle cars especially Oldsmobile’s, but Torino’s from 70-72 are some of my top picks.
2:28 car in background OH YEAH BABY
I grew up in the era, and was in the thick of it, and I’m constantly surprised when I hear how low the production numbers are for so many of these cars, since I have first hand recollections of them all.
Yes , you should've been buying them up and putting them away . If only we knew 😪
That is cool that you were able to witness and experience all that. I graduated in 82, and by the mid 80s most of the special optioned muscle cars were already in collectors hands, with a few lesser priced High option performance cars still being found by lucky kids with enough cash. Still they were wrecking them at a good pace! A buddy of mine smashed a pretty nice 1969 W-3o into a pole...very sad. I remember a kid in my class who smashed a very nice 69 Superbee 383 4 speed, and another who smashed his 69 Firebird 400 into a telephone pole. Yup you do not see very many of these cars outside of car shows now.
Goodday C & Z,
You are kidding, as Australia's biggest Oldsmobile I have seen this W 31 race before & it is wicked.
I think this is the first time you have featured this Torino & yeah it would have to be the quickest Fomoco in a long time.
That Fomoc worked hard for the win, the W 31 wad nipping at its heels, considering a 80 cubic inch advantage to the Fomoco.
They are both gorgeous Muscle Car but I am 1 eyed Oldsmobile.
Hoping for 3 races.
Hope you are keeping well.
Your number 1 Fan in Australia
Louis Kats from Melbourne Australia ☺ 👍 ❤
Hey Louis, my dad had a beautiful 68 Olds 98, Burgundy pillarless sedan in Melbourne in the 80’s, know if it’s still around?
Olds Baby!!
It was still a very impressive race considering it was a small block Olds 350 against a big block Ford Cobra Jet 429. I was actually surprised how close the race was. That 350 was no joke.
Lets examine the race the Cutlas weighs 3640 pounds w/driver, the Torino weighs 4108 pounds w/driver, thats a 468 pound weight advantage too the cutlass, advantage Cutlass. The fords 429 is 69 cubic inches larger than the Olds, advantage Ford. Both cars are equally geared, but the Cutlass has an automatic, advantage Cutlas . If we take the weight of the vehicles and the MPH each vehicle ran the Cutlass made 305 hp and the Torino made 395 hp. The Moroso Power Speed Calculator says that with optimum traction the Cutlass should run 12.5 seconds and the Torino should run 12.10 seconds. NHRA Stock Eliminator classes are based on HP/Weight ratios so that any vehicle in a given class is competing fairly against a comparable HP/Weight ratio. This is what makes Stock such a competitive class, I strongly urge you to attend a Divisional points race in your area.
The intake ports on cobra heads are massive which hurts low end performance but once you get that thing moving it’s a beast. It was made for the big oval tracks but still showed good drag results even if a bit slow off the line
The Torino driver got beat right off that line badly. But that 428 Cobra Jet engine wasn't to be denied. The Ford also had a lot more weight to deal with. I never knew these Torino's were that heavy.
@@2429scj I agree all the way up to where you said the Cutlass had an automatic which gave it an advantage. Not back then. The manuals were much quicker and allowed more torque and HP to the wheels. Modern manuals are slower than modern automatics but that is done intentionally to get people to buy the more expensive automatic. Modern manuals are geared taller to lose to the automatics but back then they were geared very closely.
@@donmyers584
The Torino engine isn’t a Boss 429.
Very Nice. The 3 Best words that you can Check Off on an Options List at a Ford dealer back in the day was "Super Cobra Jet" Very nice with the Top Loader and 4.30 geared Detroit Locker too, and all the Drag Pack equipment. They definitely get moving for a Heavyweight.
Love the Torino Cobra. The Super Cobra Jet 429 with a 4 speed, Detroit locker and 4.30s sounds like a damn good combination.
The secret to better traction with bias-ply tires in to over-inflate them. The Ford drag team taught me that in 1970. My '69 Boss 302 pure-stock Mustang ran consistent low 13's and a few high 12's using bias-ply Goodyears tires. Today, it has street legal drag radial tires, and it has run a few mid 12's.
How stock is your engine and what gears / trans combo do you run?
I'm a good second slower with 2.78 wide ratio 4 speed and 3.91 rear. Stock w/ headers 735cfm Holley
@@billkerstein1637 If your car has headers, it's no longer stock. My 69 Boss 302 Mustang, stock engine, close ration 4 speed, 780 CFM Holley carb, 4:56 Detroit Locker rear for the drag strip and 3:50 traction lock rear for the street. BTW, Boss 302 Mustangs came with 780 CFM Holley carb from the factory. Boss 429 735 CFM Holley Carb.
My buddy had a Yellow W-31. Awesome car. We did a lot of frozen lake donuts in that babay!
Awesome 😎
Very close race. One of the closest on this channel. Yet another great video as usual. I'd typically pick the Olds, but that 4 speed mated to that 429 with 4.30 gears is just irresistible.
Awesome , Thanks C&Z
Sharp looking cars!! I thought that Olds was coming to punish the Ford at the launch but that 429 spooled up and got him at the end!!
Well done, drivers!! Thank you Zebra!!
After napping at the light, the Cobra had some work to do to catch that screaming W-31, Cheers.
Agree. Seems like the Torino had a pretty soft launch. And still came back to take it at the end. Hints at how much power is under the hood. That Olds still is impressive, having big cube punch from a 350!
Kind of late to the commentfest. I loved the video. Having grown up in the 60s and 70s, I remember cars like these. I love all classic muscle cars. A neighbor across the street owned a Buick GS which looked a little like the Olds. A friend in HS drove a 1970 or 71 Torino GT with a 429CJ. Other friends drove Camaro's, Trans-Ams, Mustangs, etc. We had such good times driving our muscle cars together.
Both of these cars blew away the times given for them in the original road tests back in the day! Awesome.
I believe a Hurst ollds with a 455 would produce different results
Both great cars
That tailwind might have helped that big ole Torino slip passed that Olds.😆
That, was a great race! SOUNDED awesome through the trap's. I didn't think the Old's stood a chance, it ONLY had a weight advantage and was SO ugly it's AWESOME!
That W31 was set up to "get er done" at the track. 1/4 mile monsters. The Ford big block power ran him down though.
Always loved the Torino's, the 429 equipped cars were rare around my area. But I did know a guy that had a '70 Torino Cobra with the 351C and 3.91 gears, and it was pretty impressive for a big car.
*429 equipped Torinos were rare around EVERY area.*
The 429 "Thunder Jet" was the standard engine in a 1970 Torino Cobra. The 1971 Torino Cobra standard engine was the 351 Cleveland. This 1970 Cobra has the 1971 Cobra decals. It's an honest mistake.
@@joeskeptical4762 FALSE. Far more '70-'71 Ford 429 Torino cars were produced than you might be thinking. In fact 6 Torino Country Squire station wagons were produced with the 429 SCJ engine. One "plain Jane" Torino station wagon was produced with the 429 SCJ 4 speed transmission and the drag-pack option. I know that is factual because I've owned that car since 1981.
@@cobracharmer6178 Actually, the 429 CJ (360 hp) was the base engine in the '70 Torino Cobra, not the TJ engine. 429 TJ engine was an option for other Ford Torino cars but not the Torino Cobra. I'm a 50+ years master level factory certified auto/truck tech. Majority of those years at the largest Ford dealership in my state. I reached MASTER level in 1970. BTW, 429 CJ was one of the options for a '71 Torino Cobra as was the 429 SCJ engine.
@@sergeantmasson3669*: Maybe, it depends on what rare means. I meant all passenger cars. I believe midsize GM sedans and coupes sold the most in the late 60s and early 70s across the USA, and GM also outsold the competition in full size road boats, too. Dodge and Plymouth also sold well, again in mid-size sedans & coupes. Ford’s Galaxie 500 and LTD models did well, the Torino didn’t sell as strongly. However many had 429s of any specification could not be very many, making them uncommon if not outright rare, again depending on the definition. I know this because I remember well, Torino models were not in every driveway, and 429s were a small minority among them. Most had 351 Windsors.*
Another great video! Thank you.
Remember as a teenager in the mid 70's seeing a 429-4 speed Torino on a used car lot...$ 2,500... Now worth their weight in gold !!!
Thanks again C&Z
Another rare match up. GM FORD MOPAR. They all made some awesome machines.
Yeah, but pound for pound, and cubic inch for cubic inch, Chevy power was the most the manufacturer with the most wins. Check the records.
@@stefanovichmichael9686 Yes Chevrolet is what got me hooked on cars. Our 68 impala some how had a 350hp 327. My brother's Z28 has a LT1. Darn things would go. I grew up in the 70's early 80's my friends families drove something from all the big 3. Most of those sedans, station wagons etc could scoot. For me it's the reminiscing.
@@ericwooden6938 I'm 68 and I still have my 73 LTRSZ-28 bought new. M-21 4 speed in dark red. It spanked a couple of 340's and a big block 383.Also had a 66 impala SS 327- 275 hp power glide. Chevrolet had the best looking vehicles as well.
@@stefanovichmichael9686 Ah the 2 speed power glide. That's what our 68 impala had. Chevrolet and Pontiac are my favorites. Hard to beat a Bow Tie for cost and performance.
@@ericwooden6938 You're a smart man Eric. If only we could relive those by gone days, considering where the world is today.
Well that’s the fastest Super Cobra jet I’ve seen here. The way that Olds left the line I thought he was going to do like his license plate said and bump into the 12s but it wasn’t going to be. Torque wins.
......not torque here...that win was 100% HP at the big end...the olds was in front at half track...but the HP got the win
Having built my 66 Cutlass sports coup with my +.060 punched 330 with 10 to 1 flat top piston's using a W-31 cam plus a healthy 4,500 stall converter with a Turbo 4oo trans & 355 rear gears and free flowing headers, I am here to tell you flat out that 13.2 out of that 69 H/T is no joke. If that 69 Holiday coup was a much lighter post car (sports coup) knock off an extra 350 pounds off that GW weight on the Cutlass, and it would have been all Oldsmobile Rocket with a high 12, sec pass. I was in shock first time I had my 66 to the track. To drive any Olds W car, you know you really got something under you. I didn't think that Pig Ford was going to get him even with an extra almost 100 cubes.
Mike, you da man!
Those are some beautiful muscle cars brother.
My grandmother bought a new 1970 Torino 429 Cobra Jet, with automatic, A/C and no hood scoop. Apparently not having a hood scoop was rare that year. The Olds W31 was odd in that the automatic was a THM-350 and not a THM-400. The Rochester Q-Jet made for Ford has the air filter stud going through to the base plate instead of just to the top of the carb that the GM carbs have, to prevent warping the carb.
I don’t believe GM ever put a TH400 behind a small block that I can remember.
@@danmyers9372 Lt1 Camaros could get the TH-400
Now that's a cool grandma! The car still.in the family? My grandma was also pretty cool. She bought a '70 Nova SS 396 4 speed. Brand new. It was Green with black interior. She would even take it to the drag strip. She has passed sadly but the car is still kicking.
You don't need any more than a turbo 350 with that engine and the torque it's putting out.. I've seen turbo 350s hang with Big blocks quite well without a problem
@@GH-el9ch Well in 1969 Pontiac used the THM-400 with the 350 HO and Chevy used the THM-400 with the 350 L-46. Buick had a 4 barrel 350 in the GS-350, but it wasn't as hot as those engines. The E-31 was up there as the most radical of them., until 1970 Chevy 350 LT-1. 1969 was the first year for the THM-350 and it was made lightweight with the internal parts meant for the 1970 Corvair, that was never made. Pontiac did use the THM-350 with 2 barrel 350 engines in 1969. In 1970 The W-31 got an aluminum intake and all sorts chassis upgrades. Strange that they skimped on the automatic transmission.
These small blocks are sweet. They never stop surprising me with their power. I would love to see a race between this Olds a 70 Z28 Camaro with the LT1 and mustang with the 351 Cleveland.
That would be cool...and also throw in a 340 Mopar!
Are you including the 71 Boss 351? That would be your winner if included in that matchup.
Chevy won most of those.
just awesome cars in this vid✌️🖤
Dang 13 for the big sexy Torino?! Nice! One of my all time favorite looking cars!
"Old's... it's a good feeling around you"...
Kinda like a... Oops, I forgot this channel's NOT like that anymore.
Both great cars!..honestly considering the weight of the Torino with the SCJ upgrades..I didn't expect to see it come out on top like it did..that is quite impressive for 4108 pounds..Ford clearly knew what they were doing lol.
I am a Mopar nut but I love all these old classics two beautiful old muscle cars I miss these days
It sounded like a flat shift to fourth by the Torino at the top end!
Pretty good race but!
I love both these cars...the W-31 could definitely be a big block killer...like the Mopar 340 and Chevy LT-1, but not this day! That was close...I think the Ford driver may have been sweatin' a little, lol. Nice to see an Olds in there..would love to see a '70 W-30 in one of these races! Thanks C&Z!
Don't forget the 351 BOSS☝🏼
@@goldenltd1970 yes indeed!
@@goldenltd1970 Great block, but the Stangs were the red headed step children of that era.
Titans head to head.
Those are both stellar cars! Too bad the torino has all that junk in the trunk. Imagine it's butt stomping potential slimmed down a bit. The thought puts a smile on my face.
Almost the biggest motor in the Ford fleet! & it almost got beat by a little old small block, that's pretty sad if you ask me.
I don’t know what’s so “sad” about it lol. Heavy car with a heavy motor. Also a slow pass by the Torino/driver. This car has ran in F.A.S.T for years and routinely dips into the 12’s.
My dad had that drag pack Torino the thing was badass that thing was awesome Hurst for Speed yellow with black stripe and shaker
a couple of nasty beasts. I love this match! Just one race it's incredible you caught it to share with us. I really like the whole attitude of the W-31, Damn!
Same way another SCJ left my 1966 340 Barracuda project behind. My Plymouth took an early lead off the (unofficial) line one dark night, but when the 429 finally found traction (in 3rd gear) it started gaining, and my 727 TorqueFlite could not stay ahead without a similar massive torque feed (not on hand from my small block Mopar).
I didn't know these Torino Cobra's were that heavy. 4100 is a lot of weight to haul down that drag strip. The Oldsmobile actually looks heavier but it's much lighter. Nice close race, beautiful cars!
I had a 70 Holiday that I wanted to hop up . Those pistons were $ . I could get the cup low comp pistons for 9 $ but the flat top forged they wanted 48$ a piece . This was jobber price . I got cups ??????
One detail....The 68-69 W-31 had a cast iron intake. The Aluminum intake did/nt arrive until the 1970 model year....My buddy had a 68 "Ram Rod" W-31 (4 speed and 3.91 gears) and with better flowing mufflers it went 13.60 @ 107MPH in 1976 we took a lot of "Lunch Money" from the Z28 and 340 Mopar kids with "His Mother's Car" back in the days at late night contests around the San Franciso Bay Area
The W31 didn't have the aluminium intake till 1970.
Ford 429 SCJ engine actual HP was 450+, not 375 hp as the factory rated it.
Too bad they came with a rev. limiter because they just start to pull around 5500rpm's.
@@edge2sword186 Those were easily by-passed.
That big block Ford torque 🤙🏿ran him down
They're both impressive.
had a 70 cobra jet (not a super) 429 4 speed black car white int. sold it for 1200 bucks......that was 40 years ago..........
👍Ford all the way 😊
Seems odd how a lot of other muscle cars with radical cams had power brakes, but the olds couldnt. If it wasn't for the hood stripes that olds would have been a hell of a sleeper.
The thing that made the Torino so heavy was the engine I would guess.
Heavy motor, heavy C6 trans, heavy axle...lots of trunk...and wide car....very cool .....very heavy! As heavy as my 74 Buick Century GS 455...which is a damned tank!
@@gt-37guy6 ...the red torino was a 4MT top loader...but, yeah...
Did the finish get shown ?
so what happened to that w-31? blown up?
👍🇨🇦
Cutlass! Wrong! That was a surprise!
Ran down that W31🤔🤔🤔
*The 429 in this car was as powerful all the way to redline as was a Chrysler 426 Hemi.*
What I don't understand is how UA-cam videos show that a 1970 Red Torino 429 scj can vary with times of 13.71 vs Red Cuba with 440 of 13.78 on here to another 1970 Torino 429 scj of 12.93 to a Transam of 13.23 to a 1970 Red Torino 429scj of 13.64 vs a Camaross396 of 13.59 to a 1970 Torino 429scj with 13.08 vs Olds w-31 which wound up doing real bad so didn't write down time to finally a 1970 Torino 429scj of 12.72 to a 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro of 12.0 then 12.59. Then it was mentioned that Motor Trend ran a 1970 Torino 429 scj with 4 speed and driver to 4206 lbs. to a 13.99 time in Feb. 1970. These times ranged so badly that I thought maybe read end as one guy stated that stock was geared 3.91 with Detroit Locker gearing being 4.30 but that couldn't be right as narrator advised 1970 Red Torino with 429scj had 4.57 factory gearing for 12.72 race vs 1969 Yenko 427 Camaro so something else had to account for difference of 1.27 seconds so what?????
Pure stock races are allowed to run different pistons within .030. Pure stock races they're allowed to mill heads to be within compression limit. Also, from the factory the Holley is really tuneable. Plus, better tires and race gas. The Motor Trend article you quote I believe had different rear ratio... 3.91.
Can’t believe how slow these cars actually are/were. With those specs, you’d think they’d be in the 11s.
*Your comment says more about how fast cars are TODAY.*
@@joeskeptical4762 yes, the older we get, the slower we were.
Brake HP Gross HP vs SAE net HP used now is most of the difference Alex. A 350 HP Modern Hemi 5.7 would be 400 HP using Brake HP gross. By the way these cars are 1.5 seconds faster than how they ran on the street originally ! The W31 was good for mid to high 14s and was over 15 seconds in magazine tests of the day. Both of these cars are OPTIMIZED for racing.
325hp, lol ya right, probably 375hp at the rear wheels
I do miss a sloppy, wet fart when you mention an obscene weigh in
*Almost 500 pounds heavier but it still wins? The Torino is a BEAST*
Haha it's got 80 plus cubes for crying out loud and barely won.. probably would have lost the next two
@@GH-el9ch *Nobody can know that.*
@@joeskeptical4762 it’s all about the dig and cutting the light….that’s why BEV are just so unbeatable.
@@alexnutcasio936 *What is BEV?*
@@joeskeptical4762 Not Beverage, but Battery Electric Vehicle. Like Tesla Plaid Model S that stock on 19" wheels and weighs over 5000 lbs has run a 9.2XX at 154 MPH (out of the box)........ Now, dont be skeptical.....Even their sport ute, teh Model X Plaid that weighs over 6000 lbs has run a 9.7XX at 145 in qtr mile. Thus, the older I get, the slower I was.
Bummer....only 1 race.
2:28 Buick guy once again driving by with his hood up.
Small block GM vs Big Block ford.. How about a Big Block GM?
Haaaaaaa... not fair and we both know it.
@@FL50ssp Really? I just watched another C&Z video where the big Block Ford beat the big block GM.
@@lyleclark9190 Just one? Hmm...
ua-cam.com/video/zgu86W4kxdQ/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/WEJ2kjZ5iZ0/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/scyoZun8nqs/v-deo.html FE for the win
ua-cam.com/video/aL8vl_8ezf8/v-deo.html GM BB for the win in spite of a breakout
ua-cam.com/video/vrWM32CZ9ow/v-deo.html FE for the win
ua-cam.com/video/rrA_h-l9MxM/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/F0O2YVLK0Pc/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/5fbBIK_C6Zw/v-deo.html FE for the win
ua-cam.com/video/3R5tFrSw99U/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/-JOfXh6pXf0/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
ua-cam.com/video/tr90qJngAfA/v-deo.html GM BB for the win
Looks like 8 to 3 in favor of GM.
@@FL50ssp Sure, you can 'cherry pick' some races where the GM wins however your original statement that BBF vs big block GMs wouldn't be fair is just silly.
@@lyleclark9190 Sorry to inform you but I didn't "cherry pick" any of the matchups. Matter of fact each of these is from C&Z site and are all of the GM vs Ford BB matchups from factory Stock and Pure Stock Muscle Car Drag Race classes. How exactly is that 'cherry picking"? Additionally, 8-3 is a substantial margin of victory in favor of GM. This backs up my earlier comment regarding GM BB vs Ford BB. If you have a better source for factory stock and fast GM vs Ford BB match ups please post.
FALSE. 1970 Torino Cobra base engine was the 429 CJ engine. 429 TJ engine was an option in all other '70 Torino cars but not for the Torino Cobra.
The Torino was a heavier car
NOT an equal match. Of course, the Ford Torino 429 SCJ Cobra wins. No contest
I thought the same thing there sarge. But the Old's certainly made a contest out of it. Would've liked to see a couple more run's though.
Not sure which video you watched but the one I watched was close enough to have all you frod guys sweating the outcome... hence the Olds hate?
@@FL50ssp I was not sweating anything, and I don't hate Oldsmobile, PUTZ.
Stock but keeps mentioning upgrades…
These cars are as stock as most NASCAR cars. These are basically NHRA stock class cars that are highly modified and not what you would buy off the showroom floor. I raced muscle cars back in the 70's and Super Stock cars and no stock cars ever ran in the 12's. Like comparing a stock P51 to the current P51's flying in the air races.
All that crap the olds was sportin still got spanked by the ford👍🤓
Cutlass looks better .
Seriously? The Torino Vobra was not much of a looker but the Cutlass is downright fugly
Baby blue.......yuck
@@will7its Not talking about the ugly color .
@@danmyers9372 Torino looks like Granny's car.
@@danmyers9372 you better get your eyes checked, the 68-69 cutlass had probably the best roof line of the time.
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