Durianriders low fat diet to stay lean and fit year round | My Thoughts
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- Taking a look at what Durianrider eats in a day to stay lean, and giving my thoughts on it from a health and performance perspective.
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DR is probably the only guy on UA-cam who's been consistent in his advice and lifestyle all these years.
But... His steroid use goes up and down.
His healthy look directly is correlated with ped use
@@grego4835 no hate on DR but I’ve noticed that as well.
I’m very nuanced on nutrition being a high level cyclist in my own regard. I’d recommend DR’s protocol but with a few tweaks.
1. Stop eating gluten it’s a defensive component meant to cause damage to organisms that eat it. Even those that aren’t noticeably allergic still produce inflammatory compounds as a result of gluten ingestion.
2. Lean organ meats are essential for health and vitality combined with a high carb low fat high water diet.
If you have any questions or would like some advice on performance nutrition I’d be happy to help!
Consistent but wrong
@@liaml.7529 Yeah no hate I like the man but he deep down knows that the ped's are what's keeping him looking ok.
How long can he keep that up? Time will tell.
@@liaml.7529 gluten is delicious and I add more gluten into every bread I bake. I squat 270kg and I have an ftp 320+ (don't really train endurance).
Organ meats are not essential but rich. If I need to survive a cold winter, you bet your arse I'd be eating all of the animal. When it comes to Nutrition, literally none of use have malnutrition, so it's more or less just exercise and eating a lot of carbs - innit.
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Been following DR since his early days when he was fully raw. His diet is legit. I would say usually 80/10/10 works pretty well , the fruit intake must be high , whatever you can manage within your means buying the highest quality fruit you can buy to get all the enzymes and nutrition your body needs. Under 10g fat achievable for most people. Just buy the right foods at the supermarket 😅
@Azathoth Hastur shredded potatoes in a waffle iron with some salt and pepper is good too
People need to get out of the habit of eating for pleasure or to "fill up" and focus on eating for fuel!
classic old durian rider. Tell you what though Jesse I like how your pretty un bias on a lot of this content. It's refreshing, so many people would be like heck that guy you should never be eating that much sugar!
Keep it up man!
Eating whole foods carbohydrates is the best dietary change I've ever made .
Whole foods is what I do as well.
Durianrider is a great guy. Bananas and fruits with rice as a base layer is so good.
Orange juice is a great energy drink.
What you don't realize is that by eating high carb low fat you can loose weight without needing to be in a caloric deficit. Essencially you lose fat while riding at zone 2 and you never put fat back. Losing weight becomes effortless. The reason why losing weigh is so uncomfortable is because you need to be in a caloric deficit and your glycogen stores empty. High carb low fat will allow you to lose weight while feeling great with fully stocked glycogen and not hungry. It's like the discovery of the century!
@@cracked229 that’s why people doing CICO are always hungry even if they eat at maintenance. The reason being they usually eat stupidly high protein (which burns their kidneys to smithereens) stupidly high fat, and not enough carbs to keep their glycogen stores not even remotely filled. Stress, depression, lethargy, low libido, etc ensue as a result. There is just one thing I don’t agree with durian rider. I would cut the gluten and replace it with rice, chickpea, lentil alternatives. Add more veggies and less rice.
Can you explain me how thé fat is Lost without being in a caloric déficit in this diet please :) ?
@@thomasamblard9194 the carbs we eat are not turned into fat, they are stored as glycogen and the glycogen storage in our body is massive. Fat on the other hand is turned into body fat immediately. So as long as you eat low fat your body won’t add any body fat to itself. This will only ensure you don’t gain weight.
In order to lose wait you will have to exercise at low intensity, zone 1 or Zone 2. Look it up. When on zone 2 about 80% or more of the calories being used by the body is coming from body fat. When you go over to zone 3 the body switches to mostly glycogen. So if you take a long walk or a long zone 2 bike ride you will possibly be burning 100 to 200g of pure fat. 200g if you are a badass riding like the pros lol 4 to 6 hours a day.
Low fat diet means you can eat as much as you want and feel great all the time as long as what you’re eating is low in fat. Keep it under 20g a day. If you’ve lost all the fat you wanted to then you can increase the fat of course up to however much you burned during the day.
@@johnraw98 what about fructose?
@@thomasamblard9194 when you are exercising in zone 1 or 2, after 20 minutes your body switches to burning almost exclusively fat. So you will burn fat while exercising and not putting any back on if on a low fat diet.
Been following DR's diet advice for 10 years it WORKS!!!
I've been following DR diet for 7 years. It WORKS!!!
Where is the response? It’s shadow banned.
Where are evidences?
@@GT-sc5skin the science
@@doddsalfa source?
dR is full of BS same as low fat ..low carb works
It's refreshing to hear diet information from someone who knows what they're talking about! (I think I spend too much time trolling websites of low carb zealots. I've been eating a quasi vegetarian diet that includes nonfat dairy and egg whites. I eat way more fat in nuts and seeds than Durianrider because for me they help keep the hungries away)
Fat is important to eat too prevent getting too lean. When you start seeing too many veins in your legs and abs up the fat intake that day.
@@durianriders but it seems you are just eating all these sugars to stop being hungry but because they are all simple sugars you are gonna be hungry all day long so then u eat more sugars ( youre version of carbs) if u added some fats ur hungers would dimish and eat more complex carbs not bowls full of sugar
@@garylugg9860 What's the problem with being hungry "all day"? If I get hungry at 8 a.m., 12 p.m, 3 p.m and 8 p.m., so my body wants calories, I eat. Is that bad? Or do you mean never feeling full and eating, say, every hour? That's not true for me though. I eat a high carb, very low fat and protein breakfast at 8:30 a.m. (a couple bananas, oranges, kiwis, dates, some refined sugar, whatever), and don't get hungry until somewhere between 12 - 1 p.m.. I do a sitting, "office" job, but also run or (sometimes and) cycle every day, so overall a very active lifestyle. I have heard from, mostly low carb, high fat, converts that they suffered frequent "hunger knocks" on a high carb diet, but that's not my personal experience. I think what they really did was a high carb, high fat diet and mistake high carb diets for just eating sugary things that at the same time contain lots of fat. That sort of thing does cause "hunger knocks" i.e. never feeling full or for a very short time.
@@garylugg9860 if I eat enough fruit with some sugar in a meal (800-1200 cals total per meal depending on needs) I am satiated for at least 4 hours. I eat about 8am, 1pm and again about 6, but dinner is often is different than daytime fuel. I will start with a sweet beverage like lemonade while I cook let it pretty much get out of my stomach before I eat... and all my overt fats are eaten then with salad and veg, and my protein choice, maybe some white rice if I need extra carbs but I find my protein/fatty meals digest better without starches so thats why I just try and get in as much fruit/sugar prior to dinner. Sleep great, not hungry at all between meals. I think a lot of people are afraid to eat the volume it takes to get in the calories. Of course fruit that is super sweet and ripe that doesn’t even need sugar is ideal but it’s better to add some sugar than to not... unless you are eating too much fat in your diet then sugar may make you crash. That’s why I save fats for last meal of day.
@@garylugg9860 ya that’s why it’s so difficult for me to stick to this diet I’ve tried - all those carbs w/o fat and protein just leaves me insatiable ….I personally lose weight much more effective and easier by good old fashion plant based whole food Calorie reduction
I follow it for performance and it's amazing. Train 6 days a week and PB on everything since I started. I train 6 days a week and on my rest day I eat keto/carnivore to load up on fat and protein without carbs❤
Now this is the video I wanted to see 🤣
I’ve been HCLF for the last 4 months all to lower my cholesterol #’s. Just got my blood work and my #’s are good. Lost a lot of weight too. I’m 5’ 8” male at 142 lbs. currently. I was 180 lbs. at my highest. Now I need to find the motivation to exercise consistently and fill out somewhat.
What do you eat in a day? Were you in a calorie deficit?
Hell yeah
If you’re not motivated you need to get more sugar and limit fat to zero.
Great video. I love Harley and how he does things, but at the same time, a good challenge even on how he does things is healthy. You were a gentleman throughout your video and that says a lot about you. Cheers 👍🏼
I was obese eating higher fat lower carb I started DR protocols a few months back and my weight is dropping and my energy is way up. I’m starting to have the fitness levels I had in my 20s. I thought it was insane but I tried it and I don’t think I can ever look back
What are the protocols?
@@blimy01maynard30 it's basically eat a ton of sugar and white rice, eat very little of fat(
@@samnsamole9448 THANK YOU! I never heard of him before today, and ran across his channel when his title caught my eye about Dr Greger and bashing his advice lol. It was so hard finding his nutrition recc info, because he was ranting about diets while bike riding & how fit he was and how he out paces 20 and 30 years olds on the bike trail, and I was like "Well how does he eat then?" Because he based Dr. Greger who is plant based, but also Rogan who is mostly all about protein, meat, and some hwalthy veg I think? And I was still scrolling through so many videos trying to find a nutrition video or "what I eat in a day," and gave up after scroling through 4 years worth of videos. 😂
So basically would you say his diet is like Dr. Mcdougall's starch solution?? Or it's a little different from that? I remember trying the rice diet one time for 3 days when I heard about it, and peed like crazy and lost 4lbs 😂. Which completely contradicts EVERYTHING they tell you, when it comes to keto & low carb. Because usually they say low carb or keto makes you grt rid of water weight.
I'm in a non surgical bariatric program and they have me basically doing a lower fat keto, after a mandatory 2 week carb detox protocol with NO carbs, sugars, even though they don't reccomend electrolytes to keep you sustained..and I feel like CRAP trying to get in electrolytes and protein to try to get over the hunger, palpitations and occasional chest pain. 2 weeks in and I lost 16lbs, but stalled now. I am eating one meal a day, CONSTANTLY HUNGRY because it's not even 900s calories sometimes, constsntly drinking electros necause of the palpitations, because if I eat more than 2x the scale doesn't budge, despite being under 1000 calories. My BMR is terrible at 1430 calories so I'm trying to increase my muscle & metabolism.
I did plant based for a few months prior and that's when I felt the best! But the weight came off so slow. Admittedly I was eating sauces and wraps, so I think the wheat, added sugars and preservatives were the culprit. But I'm so tempted to say "screw this program" and go back to plants and the starch solution, which I never gave a solid try, since I now did a carb detox to get over the processed food & sugar cravings & can enjoy natural foods more now without hyperpalletable sauces 😂.
But what youre describing in your comment sounds like the starch solution. So THANK YOU for taking the time to write out your comment!
Great video, puts some perspective into DR's dietary advice. ( Which I "partly" follow).
I'm here from durian, subscribed
It works! I got the results 😎
It always amazes me that high carb low fat people are slim or losing weight, this proves it just works.
I’ve been following his recommendations since he started. I’m 40 and have the body of a 20 year old with no gym only bike riding very causally and on and off. I wish more people like you would profile Durian Rider because I believe he speaks a lot of common sense and has peoples best interest in mind. I also like his personality and sense of humor. He’s a unique guy. Mainstream people can’t handle him because he’s too frank and speaks truth.
Good honest video. Thank you.
When I knew him back in Adelaide in the mid 2000 he would go out and ride 800km over a couple of days
Your reaction to the cockroach is glorious 😂
Just discovered your channel and love the content mate. Can't wait for you to blow up
Durianrider gains attention by being controversial. That doesn’t automatically mean he’s always wrong, but he should be taken with a grain of salt…
Personally can’t really stomach him. There’s also some fairly concerning claims about him if you google his real name…
All objective evidence points to the allegations lacking any credibility/debunked, basically a butt heart ex-gf, and her even more jealous psycho current boyfriend (Norvegan) who dedicated his life a few years ago to try destroy Harley's reputation. If you're interested in details: ua-cam.com/video/RBZ0gc0oe_I/v-deo.html
@@mg777-g4c It all depends on who’s side you believe I guess.
@@discbrakefan Not a matter of what you believe, but a matter of what is the truth.
We can only go by the evidence presented by both parties. The only evidence presented by Norvegan is a weak testimony from his gf Hannah, and another girl who admits to having consensual sex with Harley but regretted it later (when people started turning on him).
There is significantly more evidence supporting Harley's version of events.
If you don't like him fair enough, but to brand him a r*pist when there is much evidence to the contrary, is a kick in the guts to all men whose lives have been destroyed by fake r*pe claims!
@@mg777-g4c I didn’t call him anything, you jumped to a very detailed defence. Makes me wonder about your own motives and even whether your account is real, given this seems to be a hot topic for you.
And just to correct you, fake rape claims are few and far between compared to actual rapes that have gone unpunished.
@@discbrakefan If you want to know my motives here they are: I have been watching DR since his earliest videos (even before monetisation was possible on YT), he inspired me to go vegan, and have watched nearly every video he has ever made. He is controversial and has made mistakes but I believe his intentions are generally and genuinely good for other people, animals, and the environment. I therefore am intimately aware of the saga between him/Hannah Chloe which started in 2016 and every nuance in between. Based on this knowledge and all of the evidence presented by both parties I am of the firm belief that the allegations made against him are fabricated, and therefore feel it necessary to defend his character in this regard. You'll see my comments in many videos on this topic because I believe that being falsely accused of r*pe and having this spread on social media by haters, would be one of the most difficult experiences to endure. You still have plausible deniability that I might be DR using a fake account, however, Harley often uses his genuine verified YT accounts in comments sections such as this when questioned over the allegations, and also is usually more succinct and rarely writes long monologues such as this. Nevertheless, all I can say is that the above is true whether you believe me or not.
Second, you're correct that you didn't accuse him of anything, however your comment "there's some fairly concerning claims against him if you google his real name" was totally unrelated to the contents of the video you commented on and obviously designed to smear his character!
Thirdly, again you're correct in your statement that "fake rape claims are few and far between compared to actual rapes that have gone unpunished" however there are also pages of cases of mens lives destroyed by such lies documented on UA-cam.
Finally, if any objective evidence shows that he is actually guilty of the allegation, I'll gladly turn on him and become another full-blown hater, but as it stands all the evidence points to the allegation as being completely fake IMO. Despite your dislike for him, hopefully you can at least curb your desire to spread unproven and unsubstantiated claims across the internet...I'm pretty sure you would like the same benefit if something similar happened to you. Happy New Year.
Sugar and water isn't rocket science, i was doing that as a teen back in the 90s. I should have made a youtube channel about it.
lol yes
yeh agree , i see it i get it but as a teenager we all ate bowls of cereal that were just in then selves sugar and then topped it off with milk and sugar ... isnt a diet measnt to include complex carbs and fats
Durian Rider also said he has Crohn's disease, which means the small intestine is unable to absorb nutrients properly making it hard to put on weight... Coincidence?
*had.
Something I had 22 years ago is the reason Im lean TODAY?? Bro....
I could get fat AF in just a month if I smashed the fat like most fat cyclists do.
That said I didn't have chrons so bad I was on any meds or get any surgery. I was early stage. I cleaned my diet and it went away.
@@durianriders you have any proof your crohn’s “went away”??? I’m going to presume a fat no.
@@theoneandonly668 yeah I dont bleed when I take a dump and I dont need to take 30 craps a day.
I have a ripped stomach in the morning vs bloated, gassy and in pain.
The issue with sugary diets, I reckon, is the lack of fullness compared to fats and proteins which stay longer in the gut to get broken down and so a lot of people end up overeating to feel satiated
Try it. It is just the opposite.
@@andrepohlann That is incorrect. You are not as full per calorie as protein, fat and fiber. That does not mean it isn't good, but there is a difference. Obviously you can though get a lot of fiber and protein through carbohydrate-rich foods, which might be what you are referring to
@@tylersnow75 That’s a whole other matter lol
Adding potatoes for resistant starch and a dose of major satiation. Hard to beat a potato.
@@yannickokpara4861 Nope. I don't get those infamous "hunger knocks" all the low carb, high fat crazy people are talking about. Today morning, at 7:30 a.m., I had a breakfast of 60g of white sugar, 2 medium bananas, 2 clementines and 2 kiwi fruits. I then did a hill running session between 9:00 and 10:30 p.m. I was feeling perfectly full and energetic all that time and didn't even think about food once. I did down 50g of white sugar before the last 2 miles "just in case". I came back home 12:00 p.m. having half a bottle of coconut water, a banana and a pound of fresh grapes in the car making the journey back home. Not felt hungry at any single moment, just ate because I know not to delay eating until hunger comes around the workout time. I then had 200g of white rice with brown sugar and 2 chopped in apples and wasn't hungry again until 7 p.m. when I fixed myself a dinner. So there you go.
Now, back when I was doing moderate carbs, and upped my protein and fat, while at the same time training running and cycling intensively, that's when I was constantly thinking about food and could never get to feel full (and my recovery sucked too). Maybe I am just made that way, I don't know.
Diet is all about s%¥ting properly.
fruit smoothies for breakfast/lunch/after-work... Heaps of veges for dinner, maybe quinoa, the odd can of beans.
I crap one or two or three times every morning. Then again after the after-work smoothie.. empty intestines with glycogen filled cells is the holy-grail of athletic performance
@@underground5220 yup... I could get out of bed any given day of the week, drop a decent dump and impulsively run a marathon.. not many members of modern society come close to that
DR has definitely refined his diet over the years. He was an 801010 fruitarian way back, then Raw til 4(promoting fruit breakfast and lunch with starch at night). Think he's still like this mostly but plenty of sugar for the exercise.
I hardly train. I train others on my ebike. Ive ran 110km total this year. Trying to get to 90kg.
@@durianriders fair enough. Hemp protein is pretty good but lentein is better if it ever comes back to Australia when they sort a distributor.
The video used in the video was during his raw till 4 time
I would love to see people struggling from carb withdrawals on Keto watch him put a half a bag of sugar in his cereal LOL.
Appreciate it this mate ! Good stuff
I think his advice is good except for how he says not to worry about calories. I believe in high carb low fat for health and fitness, but you can’t just gorge yourself all day and expect to lose weight…
@durianrider made a 'video response', what's ya thoughts? I agree mostly. 💙
ol' mate Dr Phil did a low carb test for a while a few years back and went 3-4min slower at Calga on the 43km course, said he had nothing on the top end. I'd be interested in your take on Dan Plews and his 8.30ish at Hawaii a few years ago. I don't want to quote exactly as I don't remember, but I think as an Ironman he chugged along all day on very little or no carbs and ran a 2.50 off the bike. Obviously different energy systems, him and Dave Scott involved with Endure IQ. Great video BTW
NOBODY is going sub 12 at Kona in ketosis bro😆😆😆.
@@durianriders sorry, correct. he took 50-55g per hr on the bike and 2 gels on the marathon he said on his blog at Endure IQ. It's his fat oxidisation efficiency he trains I guess, so burning fats at higher and higher wattages/effort.
@@Chriskuznetsoff 55g of refined sugar per hour is NOT low carb 😆😆😆😆🤣🤣🤣🤟
really good video - harley should watch it!
People worry far too much about diet.... water, sleep, exercise in that order. Gat those 3 basic things right, diet is the icing on the cake (pun intended).
Diet helps with all 3 of those
I tried it, personally I think it isn't good to just eat this, it works cause no fat in the diet
By "sugar water thing" what do you mean? You fill your water bottles with a 1/2 pound of sugar for a ride?
John rose eats loads of fruit and i think low fat, and he looks great.
The other thing is glycogen storage and appetite. If your glycogen is full you are probably aren't very hungry and at the stage you'd be making fat from the carbohydrate, you'd probably be cramming extra carbohydrate in on a nonexistent appetite.
You are right about the fat thing though. Annoyingly I have a colleague who is like "here have a chocolate croissant, or chocolate" so I have to watch the fat. Also some commercial bread has more fat than you'd think.
I do find though that cutting fat calories prevents hunger.
Truthfully weight loss has only been about a pound a month so quite slow but it's not bad for not having to let myself get hungry because I went over some arbitrary calorie count.
Calorie deficit will also make your body burn less calories.
I have been there with it, my bodyfat % didnt changed much i lost more muscles than fat.
@@Klaudiuszeg did you test how strong you were before and after?
"His not training a lot..." He has a Natasha. My guess he's burning enough calories, gets very good relaxation and very good sleep, as per the advice of the best cycling coach... Oh yeah and the performance enhancement drugs 😆
DR is a polarizing character, but there is truth is his message for sure. I agree with Jesse, it is hard to eat super low fat and keep doing it. not for me
@thazfffit’s def hard. Unless ur a full blown vegan.
@thazfff Its waaay easier to eat low fat than it is to keep calorie deficit.
It's easy enough if I avoid church functions, eating out, eating at friends' houses, work cake day etc. Though I think it's easier to eat socially than doing keto.
DR is 2% relevant and 98% click bait/shit stirrer.
The reason DR isn't getting fat is because he's doing what is called "exercise bulimia" (meaning he's burning more calories thru excessive exercise than he's ingesting). There's no telling what all that excess sugar is doing to his body & teeth. If he kept the same diet, but didn't exercise so excessively, then we'd definitely see a different physique on DR. On top of all that he's taking P.E.Ds (Performance Enhancing Drugs), which also alters his body hormone levels. He could achieve similar results w/ a keto diet & wouldn't have to exercise so much. But keto also has its drawbacks, so a healthy balanced diet w/ proper exercise is preferred.
He does talk about "bacon and eggs" people not leaning down even with lots of exercise. The things I can think of:
1: they are actually eating more Calories trying to get durianrider level carbs from bacon and eggs means way more total - most of it fat.
2: Their exercise stamina is lower if you measured watts, joules etc of total mechanical power in whatever bike ride (harder to measure for running).
On "unlimited carbs" it is easy to mindlessly erase a calorie deficit by going over the fat. A couple of bits of buttered toast, or a poorly chosen pasta sauce might already be too much.
@@TimpBizkit WTF are you ever talking about? Have you ever tried a vegan or keto diet before? I have & I'm attesting to the common results & complaints ppl have on said diets.
1). If you ever tried a keto diet, you'd quickly discover that you can't eat massive amounts of protein. Even if you could, you don't know how the diet works, because calories are almost inconsequential. Keto forces your body to burn fat for fuel (as opposed to carbs), so you lose weight, quickly. FYI your body needs fat to live, you don't necessarily need carbs (as I've went a few months w/o consuming carbs).
2). How about you try "unlimited carbs" for a month, then do Keto. And I guarantee you'll lose more in the 1st 2 weeks of keto than you'd ever lose w/ a month of "unlimited carbs". If you're going to exercise, ensure you do the exact same routine for both.
1.Ive got a spinal injury that has prevented me from training much in the last 3 years. So much for your 'exercise bulimia' theory lol. I rode only about 2000km in 2022 and ran 93km TOTAL for the year. I know people who run that much in a few days and ride that per week! They are not as lean as me though. Explain why,
2. Why are you tubby? You are the expert. Why dont you do what you know and make videos showing us how ripped you have stayed the last 20 years like I have?
3. I have extensively tested anabolics. You ONLY know this because Im VERY PUBLIC about it. The main side effect has been MASSIVE weight gain. On a pure sugar diet with natty levels of anabolic hormones Im 59-64kg. With anabolics Im up to 85.3kg and vascular at my heaviest.
4.
@@durianriders Vegan Gains & Freely have already exposed you, for your lies & drug use. So why would anyone believe you? 😂
Unlike you I have a real job & YT is only for entertainment. But given your sub to view ratio, you need a day job more than me. 😂
Just because you're fat w/o your drugs & exercise bulimia doesn't mean everyone else is. But it's funny how you fat boys think. 😂
You & Vegan Gains are both fat because of your diets. Keto is superior to your vegan nonsense, hence the reason you're both in such poor health (along w/ Freely). But keep falling apart before our eyes, cuz it's hilarious. 🤣
Finally a comment by someone with more than 1 brain cell. Seen pictures of this guy before the ster0ids and he was all skin and bones. His girl also looks emaciated with zero muscle tone
So, is it better than keto diet? Eat suggar is "better" than eat pork, chicken etc?
Yes eating sugar is better.
There's nothing sadder than these hard core cyclist and bodybuilder idgets (45 year cyclist here BTW) who let their zest for their sport dictate their diets "carbs bro...no protein bro"
You're not a TDF rider or an IBBF pro, you're 89,000th best cyclist/bodybuilder in the world, so why in the world are you a slave to a sport specific diet just to get a slight edge? Eat a healthy balanced diet, train hard if you like and have fun
Having more carbs makes you want to move around more. I like going between high carb and moderate carb. On my high carb days I eat no animal products or very minimum but then for my moderate carbs I eat animal protein like 200 grams of chicken breast when I’m feeling low I will have red meat but other than that. I have a lot of vegetables I save rice for my high carb days but have bananas potatoes and sweet potatoes every day depending if I’m doing moderate exercise or not I will have between 300-550 grams of carbs I don’t have to fill my glycogen up every day because I don’t ride up steep hills I don’t cycle everyday at least once a week I get on the spin bike and do 3 hours in one session. I like to test myself to push my body to its limits i enjoy it but due to having a job I can’t do as my cycling as I used to
Not to be rude dude but that sounds like you have an eating disorder and no wonder you have osteoporosis. :(
Hi Jesse, what would you recommend for joint pain? I notice that when i reduce my carbs i got severe pain on my knee, should i eat more rice for example?
Carb the F up 🎉
FYI, Sugar is not lemonade.
Problem with hclf is you need to supplement like hell. I made this mistake and didn't get enough B vitamins and likely micronutrients. DR takes a B12 shot but never mentions the other B vitamins and micronutrients absent from a veg/Vegan diet
B9 you get from whole grains like whole grain breads
B6 you get from bananas and chekpeas, you could eat some lean meat too
B12 you get from fish or livers from animals
HCLF is not about not eating meat or cutting out from animal products, you could find animals products that are also low fat and still eat them.
😂😂😂
So much context missing here. Why do all the WT riders inject b12? Are they all closet vegans?? ❤😂
I always make sure I have bananas I find having a banana date smoothie doesn’t hurt my teeth like eating a couple of dates does. Sugar water just irritates my gums and I now have 2 cavities which I still haven’t gotten checked yet. I also have missing teeth bone and have an eroding gum line maybe 500 carbs a day isn’t a good idea.
sounds like you have some low estrogen issues as you mention bone erosion.
Sugar CANT erode bone lol.
Sugar is ph neutral.
Google up 'povodine iodine' and get into it for your teeth health. Sounds like you have something not so good going on in side. Have you tested your cortisol levels recently? Sugar lowers evening cortisol which is a good thing.
@@durianriders the acid is caused by mouth bacteria that ferment sugar, although it is the same with a lot of other foods. Of course, regular mouth rinsing, brushing and flossing helps!
Bang on good vid
Carbs are terrible for causing inflammation in my body. I really just can't eat any of them. As soon as I start eating carbs I start swelling up with water
he definitely had some dental work with all the sugar he eats.
He admits it
Yes, tho not cos of the "sugar" tho cos of the lack of micronutrients, long term, such as calcium.
Think he got his teeth fixed because he was not taking care of his teeth when he was younger. Nothing to do with what he eats, just bad habits which can take decades to have an impact. You can wreck your teeth eating literally anything.
@@liamnicholson9464 I do my best to avoid too much calcium as excess calcium ends up in your arterial walls. Google up 'calcium score'.
12:17 that was so frikin funny lol!
What does all the sugar do for your dental health?
Defs has an impact. Makes it a lot more important to brush/floss, go to dentist for check-ups more often and keep mouth from drying out. But I'd say dental health can be an issue for all endurance athletes who have increased carb intake, that's just the nature of it.
Not everyone's mouth microbiome is the same either. You can actually test to see how much acid your mouth microbiome produce. So if you have the right microbes in your mouth you can get away with more sugar and not suffer as many cavities and what not.
Interesting. I must be lucky in this department, very few dental issues (I think maybe 1 filling in my life). And I've been in endurance sport consuming high carbohydrates since I was 16. Could be linked to this as you say
Sugar is pH neutral.
Those acidic sports drinks though....
Google 'povodine iodine teeth care".
@@durianriders yes sugar is neutral but after microbes eat leftover sugar in your mouth/on your teeth, they produce acids as byproducts of their metabolism. Its indirectly acidic.
Does the body need to adapt to get used to this high carb low fat diet before trying it? Or for example, can I eat a "normal" diet (i.e higher in fat) 4 days of the week and a high carb low fat (fat lower than 10-15%) 3 days of the week and still maintain the physique/leanness that I usually do?
If your goal is fat loss why you eating so much fat? The fat you eat us the fat you have to burn off or you wear it.
The article linked in the description misses an important aspect: speed of carb dosing vs speed at which glucose can be converted into glycogen, regardless the saturation level of glycogen storage.
Another thing: when ingesting sugar (50 % fructose) in high doses and fast, the liver gets overloaded and, to avoid catastrophic outcomes, it will rapidly convert excess fructose into fat. That fat will not develop under the skin (subcutaneous) but rather in the organ. And that's a beautiful start towards cirrhosis.
Note that one can have fatty liver and be skinny at the same time.
Also note that testosteron level impacts (in a good way) how good can you body deal with carb inrush.
A piece of advice: no matter the road you take in nutrition, always document your baseline with a few labworks. I'd definitely include serum triglycerides and gamma GT. Then, in the midst of you experiment, repeat blood tests to see whether you're doing it well or not. I'm talking from personal experience (with unpleasant surprises).
Please elaborate
@@popeantichrist8847 which part?
@@mancampovestiminvatam the sugar clogging up your liver
@@popeantichrist8847 not the sugar but the fat that is converted from fructose (sugar is part glucose, part fructose).
Fructose cannot be used directly as fuel except a small amount of tissue. When dosing the right amount, it will aid in keeping up the energy level. When overdosed, the excess is converted to fat and stored at the nearest place - the liver. It is not like fat is clogging the arteries and veins inside the liver, but as in creating scars inside the tissues due to pressure and rupture. Imagine small pockets of fat. A lot of them.
And fat cells can multiply in adulthood. The more you create by overfeeding, the faster they damage the liver at the next overfeed when they fill up with fat (mostly triglycerides).
When on long rides (beyond one hour) at or above zone 2, you can dose 60 g of glucose + 30 g of fructose OR 60 g of table sugar (equals 30 glucose + 30 g fructose) + 30 glucose.
You do that while sedentary, and it kills you in a few years.
The liver's activity depends highly on muscular activity.
The gut needs to be trained to absorb that amount of carbs. Professionals can even reach 120 g of carbs per hour.
@@mancampovestiminvatam understood thank you for your time
But what about bone health? How is this diet healthy for bones???
Why I not broken any bones in the last 21 years? I fight, fuck and crash hard. Where my broken 🦴?? 😂❤
Plants have calcium. Almond milk has calcium. Leafy greens have calcium. How does a rino get his bone on his head? Eating plants.
well done - thx:)
HCLF 💪
Im going to try eating fruit during the day without the excessive added sugar .. just doesn't look appetising to me..then dinner ill have a plate of meat or carbs not the 2 combined for the most part anyway..see how that goes
It’s a start. Better than having meat 3x a day, that will really slow u down.
You know DR... it's all or nothing.. so massively to the extreme!
“We’ve got Natasha here, buying some ice cream.
UHHHHHEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH”
Durian riders someone people love to hate
Where is the link to the trainer Road podcast you mentioned please?
He looks fine let him be 😊
Glad someone is giving his dirt some consideration and unbiased review! Gotta hand it to him, Natasha is a smoke show
shes pretty good but I still wouldn't pay to see her only fans tho lol
Do you believe a type 2 diabetic can eat a high carb diet with just a little very lean meat or no meat at all. I’m in great shape for 57 because I work in new home construction and move a lot including up and down stairs. But I have some frontal belly fat to get rid of.
sure you can, you can also reverse diabetes 2 on hclf. better results with no meat but that's up to you.
No veges, no diversity, no micronutrients.. he may be lean and get sufficient fuel, but I can't draw a conclusion of overall health from his diet.
bro I BET I eaten more variety of plants in a month than you have eaten in your ENTIRE life lol.
The reason I dont list all the plants I eat is people will think its too exotic and expensive etc.
'no veges, no diversity, no micronutrients' LOL!
Your IQ is void bro.
De Novo produces almost no fat. Excess carbs increase thermogenesis.
I love for well you explained his diet and how it could work for him.
Im on low fat diet too, im not cutting them off completely i eat more carbs but trying to not over eat them. Going to see if this will work in a month time.
Did it work for you
His voice is because he just woke up lol
but isn't extremely low dietary fat intake bad for hormones like testosterone? I think he advocates
Good question, wish I knew the answer. How low is too low? Is 10g of fat a day enough to be healthy and perform well? If not, how high does it need to be? I'm not sure...
But regardless, I don't know many normal people that would be able to stick to a diet of 10g of fat per day, consistently, long term anyway. Most people like to go out to restaurants, cafes, enjoy tasty food. Would be so hard to do that and keep fat that low.
If fat raises testosterone then why does anyone bother with steroids when they could just eat fat?? Ask Joe Rogan....😆
@@durianriders I did not say "fat increase test", Iam just pointing that low dietary fat intake lower your test and that´s a fact, There is more than one study that proved it
@@matejburian3191 1. You implied low fat is bad for test. This implies that the solution to low test is eating more fat. It is like saying 'cold weather makes you cold....but hot weather doesnt make you warmer...' bro think about what you wrote and imagine being in court how even a 1st year lawyer on their first case would rip you apart on that in front of the jury...
Maybe you mean those people who had eating disorders and ate 1000cals a day...so instead of the scientists offending anyone they blamed low fat vs the persons anorexia? As a professional you open yourself up to litigation etc if you say someone has xyz. Why risk that?
Ive trained 10000's of people the last 25 years. Ive read more blood tests in depth than most doctors who just skim over it and say 'yeah all good...NEXT PLEASE!'
Ive NEVER met someone whose test dropped because they were eating low fat AND enough carbs for their daily life. Ive met plenty of people whose test dropped because they had kids, used SARMS, cut carbs, ran too much cortisone, stressed AF etc.
Yes those who starve themselves will experience low test. This is not always bad though. It is why the monks only eat OMAD so they dont go chasing chicks or thinking about them all day. Most elite athletes have low test from brutal training and competition schedules. It is why 99% of big name athletes use exogenous hormones and WADA etc DONT use CIR tests as the first line of testing for exogenous testosterone AND why they allow a 4:1 T/E ratio as they want you to use gear but not too much. They give you a limit that is easy to use about 250mg a week but much more.
Great point… probably why dr has been abusing steroids for years. Apparently he used to hide it but now he’s blasting and open about it. Narcissists will lie no problem so be careful taking advice from them
Maybe had a lot of dental work from tooth decay etc.
what do you guys think his macro percentage was once he started adding more protein in?
600g + a day of carbs since 1996. Mostly from sucrose, glucose and fructose. My blood tests are impeccable and uploaded onto UA-cam since 2009.
@@durianriders thanks, how much protein do you aim to get? Curious about your macro % (fats, carbs and protein). The more protein ppl add it does seem to help with muscle tone and definition
Diabetes and insulin resistance is often reflected in weight gain, but not always. It is simply the result of the liver being overloaded with sugars and toxins.
DEEP DIVE into the HISTORY of insulin resistance. Who is the researcher who discovered the term IR?
What diet did he promote to reverse IR and INCREASE insulin sensitivity.
Now you know the truth you can correct your false statements.
Jesse, why avoid commenting on his girl. You can't miss that, and everyone loves to see her. That's training motivation right there.
The one thing I don't agree with is that you piss out excess carbohydrate and that's because the most glucose you're likely to find in urine is about a quarter gram per litre so only 1 Calorie in a whole litre of urine, and this would probably be concentrated urine too not nearly clear stuff.
As for the dietary thermogenesis they are talking about, I attribute that to both digestion heat and also conversion losses due to de novo lipogenesis.
I'm not 100% convinced you can't eat enough white sugar to gain weight because I watched erictheelectric munch through 3kg (12000 kcal) of the stuff. I would have assumed it to be toxic in such a large quantity.
Huh I never said you piss out excess carbohydrates, or that you can't overeat carbohydrates.
@@nerocoaching no it was a durianrider claim if you watch his channel he keeps saying: "Excess carbohydrate, yer piss it out!"
@@TimpBizkit hence why Im so lean and you are not bro because you follow mainstream advice and I just follow the ripped body performance trail. :)
I do not have a sweet tooth so I don't think I can eat like him long term. He bashes intermittent fasting but I actually do find it easier and convenient.
I didn’t think I had a sweet tooth for years. Never had dessert or sweets. Still don’t have desserts or sweets now much prefer savoury BUT fruit and smoothies or smoothie bowls are so delicious and satisfying
How much excess calories can the body store as fat vs glycogen?
2000 glycogen and unlimited fat til your dead
I eat 1-2kg white sugar per week and i'm leeeeeeeennn baby af
also inflamed lol
Hey bro, I tried the diet and got some pretty severe acne/breakouts on my face and back. I messaged Harley over this and he said just find ways to lower my fat even further. I've kept it pretty low this whole time, have you had any issues like this?
Pretty low is pretty subjective. Eat 0 fat. And see what happens to your acne.
@@Powsimian unless you eat nothing, zero fat is impossible. Thanks for the unhelpful reply. Pretty low btw is sub 10 grams
@@mikey.1205 u sneaking in fat bro
U need ZINC!
DR is a F$%%ng idiot. He is Not healthy, he's lean from HOURS of Cardio
I don't actually eat like this, I was just giving my thoughts on the diet so I haven't had similar issues. Plus I've honestly got no knowledge on the interaction between diet and acne, I'm not sure what to recommend here.
You said did not train that much just an hour and a half lol that’s a lot. And that’s not even counting his 6/10 hour long training session he does once a month “for fun”
What sort of impact, if any, would this amount of sugar have on your teeth? I’ve seen horror stories of people who drink loads of soda having awful teeth as a result, could this happen here?
That's the 'acid' in the "soda" not the "sugar", just rinse after use if possible.
His teeth now say it all...
Sugar is ph neutral lemons are not
@@PsychoKat90 If you had as much money as me you would have a hollywood smile too lol.
Dont be jealous bro. Work hard , provide value and buy what you want.
@@durianriders that's alright bro, I prefer having all my real teeth ;)
More like this ta :)
his mic was shit changing the voice - also he was skinnier back then because he wasn't on test - test commonly causes water bloat in the face.
Consensus, this diet is not compatible with if you eat the offered bourbon biscuits and waga mama of a friendly colleague, or mozzarella cheese offcuts from the production line you work on. You will easily up your fat intake into calorie surplus and weight gain. There is not a lot of room for fat. This is the truth. I gained 5 pounds because I thought there was more room for fat than there was. Seems like your body wants 90% carbs and nibbles tiny morsels of fat when you have such an abundant supply of premium grade dry tinder to give it, instead of damp fat firewood.
You forgot that he’s cycling almost everyday.
So are most people watching this channel
How many km a day do I ride on average?
I feel like I would gain weight eating unlimited jelly beans. Munched through 700 grams of them in an off day and still hungry for some bread at the end. I figured it was just thirst because sugar needs diluting. Why would my body want so much glucose? There is naff all fat in jelly beans so it's not fat calories throwing it off. I haven't dropped a pound in 9 months so is it this or am I eating too much fat to throw off the very slight calorie deficit in "unlimited" carbs. E.g. buttering a piece of bread or two could give 15-20g of fat. Along with some sauces and breads.
And yes, stay away from chocolate!
I must say my friends and parents have had much more success than me simply reducing portion sizes and total Calories than I have done, eating "high carb" but not watching intake.
Do my protocols if you want to be as ripped as me bro. I could line up to any cardio based race in the world and look like a winner even though Im hardly training.
@@durianriders not going to lie you could easily beat my 100 floor stair machine time. My weakness is the unknown fat quantity of friends' food!
If you look at his views compared to subs, it's a dead channel.
he also invented the genre of youtube cyclist vloggers show some respect
@@KushPizzaSleep show respect? Is he God or something? Prehaps take a step back and realise there's a big world out there. There, I've shown respect to a greater world.
yet here you are still talking about me lol.
Lets stick with the facts.
1. If you mention me in a video you are GUARANTEED views. 20-100K.
2. You have had 25k views in 9 YEARS. My latest video got 21k views in 2 days...
3. Most of my subs are very old subs. Subs dont mean much to me as a number. I focus on total views. Ive had over 400 MILLION views on youtube total on my channels and channels talking about me. That is why I STILL get stopped in the street every day by fans and get a few snickering looks by jelly betas when they see me with a new arm candy babe hehe.
The only question I have is that by eating 22 bananas a day (if I understood correctly) you risk creating too much Potassium in your body, which leads to hyperkalemia and potential health issues. Credit where it is due, it works for DR and he stuck to something that clearly works for him.
Got to remember , he's been on gear for however long. Not dissing his carbs protocol across the board. It just gets pretty grinding with the "I'm the most honest guy on the internet" shtick.
If his sub 30g protein diet was so effective, why the need for gear in his early 30's? He talks about eating disorders I'd suggest he's the one who has suffered.
If you want to know how he gets his gear , its behind his paywal.
Apparently any idiot can con their doctor into perscribing injectable steroids.
He's on gear to gain Weight. Which generally isn't good for cycling. (Possibly has a different goal outside of cycling these days)
He says his protocol works for losing weight.
Last part couldn’t be farther from the truth. Go and try to get some from ur dr withou actually needing them.
Bro they don’t like giving gear to obese people like you because it spikes blood pressure. Try getting race lean then your doc will think you are ‘too thin’ and demand you use it. That’s my experience anyway. Listen to the DR! ❤😂@@alaefarmestatesllc
George I got on gear to document its effects not because I need it. It’s actually slowed me down because now I’m a lot heavier.
30g a day protein is if you want to LOSE weight bro.
Why take me out of context like that?? 😂
Why do you say creatine is good for flats, but not hills? Surely stronger legs are stronger legs, no?
Creatine doesn't make you stronger exactly. Its been proven to improve anaerobic type efforts, 8-12 second type of stuff. Jesse might go into more detail. Strength athletes will use it to gain a few extra reps at the end of a set to overload the muscles more. It does nothing for endurance style efforts
It's good at making you strong, for short efforts like sprinting. But it makes you gain weight, I think ~1-1.5kg of weight is expected (mostly water). So not useful for climbing (no aerobic benefit & weight gain)
In my experience: When I use creatine I gain about 10-20% strength and about 5% weight. This is good for sprinting, not so good on the (longer) climbs.
You're above this Jesse!
A lot of people are curious though
@@nerocoaching I thought this was great. Cycling changed for me when I learned how to stay carbed throughout those 2hr+ rides. Has taken forever to convince my friends it feels so much better, and the recovery time is night and day. Straight sugar water
Above what ? In my opinion DR needs to be confronted by people who have actual credentials, he sprouts a lot garbage on topics he doesn't know much about particularly around hypertrophy, strength training etc and when confronted just ignores and laps up the love from his sugar zealots. Now, some of what he says relating to endurance performance is very good, but he talks equal part sense and bullshit
agreed. this dude doesn't deserve any more attention. don't forget he has been accused multiple times of sexual assault/assault
@@derekcommonground No, he's been accused once by an ex-groupie and if you know the background to the story she had ample motive to make these allegations. Besides from a weak testimony from the accuser on camera (she refused to give an official testimony to the police), all evidence points to the allegations as completely bogus: ua-cam.com/video/RBZ0gc0oe_I/v-deo.html
Haters such as yourself, who are prepared to brand a man a rapist based on social media hearsay without doing any research, enable fake rape allegations to flourish and men's lives to be destroyed.
do a fixie vid
Repeats the same point for 16mins
Yak
Skinny people have diabetes too even type 2 so many tiny Filipinos at work have diabetes and they’re 45-55
Type 2 you have to be fat
So are you saying that constantly digesting refined sugars won't cause repeated insulin spikes and so can't lead to insulin resistance?
It’s not that simple
@@nerocoaching What do you think is happening physiologically, when sugar is being metabolised?
Insulin is released to store or utilise the carbohydrates, I t’s a normal function occurring in every healthy human.
Where is my insulin resistance or elevated fasting insulin?
Why is your fasting insulin and body fat higher than ours Steven?
Do you know what else crawls in your dates
Would you recommend creatine for XC mountain biking. Seeing as its high in intensity from the gun, plenty of high powered attacks and technical climbs requiring a higher power to get over obstacles.
Low dosage anabolics is what the big guns use. Testosterone and oxandrolone. I've used them both. You smash your hypothetical twin. Both work as RDO compounds meaning you don't need to run a cycle of them.
creatine is good for everyone. It's proven to work and it's affordable. No cons
@@jfreck there are cons actually. Iron overload being a common issue.
@@Samuel-bu7xr 😂
@@jfreck that emojis changed my mind. Great point haha
Wait is creatine a disadvantage for cycling in the mountains/long uphill?
Yes it makes you gain weight
Some people will. I don't put on a gram these days.
When I was vegan I'd put on 2kg on creatine.