As a Mets employee I have to watch the Mets loose and have to stay until the end. Last year they sucked and with new manager they are sucking again with no hope in the near future. Mets do not want to bring up prospect and instead disappoint the fans.
Dang , my feelings were hurt until I went the doubleheader in Atlanta and Lindor killed the braves curse...bounce the Brew Crew and fleecedcPhilly...Mets ultimately participated well in the NLCS
@@davidhecker2607 Damn, so many idiots and haters in this thread, you included. 🙂 They just won the Cubs series, the hottest team in MLB with the best offensive for the last month. The last Wildcard is an option, they're at least aiming at the 1ST. Smarten up, David. No hate. A Yankees fan? 🙂
@@johnlinzmayer7036no hate intended! Just calling it like I see it. In some ways, it’s a bit sad to see how little it takes for the once proud Mets fanbase to start pounding their chest. I am truly excited for the NYM though, playing great ball and nearly at .500
@@SmartrBaseball true, but at the end of the day it is Cohen’s money. So if he’s okay with burning it on some mediocre/bad seasons then really who can stop him
@@SmartrBaseballI try to cope with it by assuming they're using this year to figure out a gameplan for the next few years. But the Mets have so many problems, I can't imagine them fixing it all in any less than 5 years.
@@cygnus_XI I think they have a good core of young infielders to build around. If they can add some good young prospects at the deadline, they can be in contention for a wild card within the next two years.
I agree with the gist of this video and it’s a great breakdown. But I do want to point out that Alonso’s OPS being under .800 doesn’t sound good until you realize his .792 OPS is a 129 OPS+. He has a 136 for his career, so pretty much playing to career norm
@cybercatgaming6052 no he isn't. He did a "breakdown" as an outside perspective. Didn't take the time to really research the teams strategy and approach
@@cybercatgaming6052 My criticism of it that you'd never read because you're too dumb and lazy to There's a real glossing over of just how much money the Mets have been paying to people who are not on the roster. In 2023 they paid Cano $20.25 mil, McCann $9.3 mil, Ruf $3.25 mil, and Flexen $3.87 mil. That's $36.67 mil for guys who were never in the organization. Then $18.6 for Diaz who never threw a pitch. And Eduardo Escobar and Mark Canha were traded a month before the deadline with almost all of their combined $24 mil salaries retained. In 2024 they're still paying McCann $8 mil. Scherzer $30.8. Verlander $25. Now there's another dead $13 mil with Narvaez, Wendle, Lopez, Nido all being DFAd. And Brooks Raley had TJ. He's being paid $6.5 mil. Kodai Senga was not lost for the 2024 season. He was lost until June and has had setbacks. He's currently throwing bullpens. Yes, Yamamoto turned down BOTH NY teams because he was never saying yes to anyone except the Dodgers to play with Ohtani. Yankees offered the highest AAV, are the Yankees, and he told them no. You think Jeff McNeil at $12.5 can't be moved? A former batting champ who can play 2B and both corner OF spots well? What? How do you talk about how will the Mets replace the starters when Christian Scott has been flying up the prospect rankings, then made his debut where he made 5 starts before being sent back down? 3 Quality Starts, 27.2 IP, 25 Ks, 6 BBs, 1.08 WHIP. And Jose Butto who has a 3.08 ERA in 7 starts and 38 IP this season? Blade Tidwell is having success in AAA and there's a good chance he makes his debut this year. And then the SP FA class is incredibly deep. Burnes. Fried. Bieber. Buehler. Means. Flaherty. (Yes, Means and Bieber will be returning from surgery, but they are absolutely good pitchers people will be taking fliers on) And what do you think the Mets should have done this past offseason? With all of this dead money they were already in a position where every dollar was being taxed at 100%. And the team had lots of holes. And the FA class was trash. There were some top names, Ohtani, Yamamoto, and then who? People said they should have signed Snell or Montgomery. Yeah, lots of teams wanted those two... and they have turned out great... JD Martinez was signed for peanuts and will almost certainly be flipped. Severino will likely get a pretty decent piece from a contender. Marte has one more year at a high salary, but he is back to being productive. Hitting 286. 7 homers. 12/12 stolen bases. 126 OPS+. Retaining some money the Mets could get a prospect and further reduce payroll next year. Even Harrison Bader could very well bring in a piece back. His defense is still elite and he's currently got an above average OPS and he's been very clutch. (And it's worth noting that Verlander's 2025 vesting option really doesn't look like it will vest. He needs 140 IP, he's at 57 as of 6/15, and he was scratched from his start today) OH AND ADDING RIGHT NOW THAT VERLANDER GOT SENT TO IL
More proof that money doesn't buy championships the way it used to. The Braves' model seems to work well. Lock up your young talent early (but not too early like some other teams have done) and get a few star players here and there to supplement your homegrown core. But that won't work for every team. Just happy I'm not a Mets fan.
Ah, yes, that Atlanta Braves model which has shown so much success for winning championships, with their grand total of 2 in the last 76 years. The same amount as the Mets.
@@BKDBut I'm talking about recently, but yes. The Braves seem to be in the playoffs every year and choke 95% of the time. I'm not even a Braves fan, but what they've done with their young stars is being done everywhere now. Funny the Mets have the same number in 75 years though. Didn't even think of that. I'll never forget 1986 and the ball going through Buckner's legs. I wasn't even one year old yet. But I'll never forget it.
I'm not sure what more the Mets could've done. They brought in Scherzer and Verlander. Signed top free agents and had some home grown talent. It worked out in 2022 with 101 wins. Then they just fell apart last year. I watched most of the games and it was awful. Starting with the Diaz injury and going from there. Then you had two 40 year old pitchers that were under preforming. They had to cut their loses. That type of payroll isn't sustainable no matter how rich you are. What were the Mets supposed to do? Add another 100 mil on top of that? Try to get Soto or Ohtani? It just wasn't going to work without some type of rebuild. Cohen tried. I don't know why people are mad at him for things not working out. You can look at the salary this year and say the Mets should be doing better with that payroll, but the tear down has already started. Next years salary will be around half of what it is now and the Mets will continue this soft rebuild process. Cohen will add big names when he needs to and I'm fine with that.
I think you answered your question. Your best pitchers should not be 40 years old getting paid $40 mil a year. They assumed Edwin Diaz would not revert to his old ways of blowing saves (which he did). It doesn't matter how much money you spend if you're overpaying on the wrong pieces hoping that, at some point, the contracts will pan out. Look at the Dodgers: overspend every year to win 1 shortened season championship. And the Giants won 3 championships with a small payroll. It's less about how much you spend and more about the quality of players.
@@welliecross2903 but the Dodgers are always in it always winning a division always making a playoff run the Mets don’t regardless of how much they spend. That’s the difference can’t compare the two is a well run organization. The other one is an absolute dumpster fire
@@Historywithmiakeski but my point is that the Mets have to develop talent and then add the pieces as they come. The mistake they made in 2022 is that they just signed players to exorbitant contracts (at least in AAVs) to win now. The problem is that the glaring holes were still there, even when they won 101 games (3b, LF, C). Hopefully, they have good prospects because this could be like NFL Giants, 1 good year and another 5 of struggles
@@welliecross2903 In 2022 their top prospects were Brett Baty and Francisco Alvarez, 3B and C, respectively. Both were top prospects in baseball. Alvarez was the top C prospect. Baty was the #2 3B prospect behind Henderson and top 10 on many lists. Those known problems had planned fixes and they partially haven't worked out. Baty is basically an established AAAA player. He was recently sent down again and immediately started raking. It's what he always does. I think his time is just about done. But thankfully Mark Vientos has taken a big step forward and in 84 ABs this year has 5 homers, an 897 OPS, a 161 OPS+ and has made huge strides defensively. (There's also Mauricio who would have been seeing time at 3B had he not torn his ACL during the winter and is missing the entire year.) Alvarez almost set the record for most homers by a rookie C last year. Probably would have if he played a full season. I think he finished 1 behind Bench. During development his defense was questioned, but Verlander and Scherzer raved about his pitch calling, his game prep, he ranked as one of the highest framers and was all around good defensively. His future looks bright.
@@BKDBut To be honest, Baty is trash. Can't hit, barely fields properly, errors, etc. I like Alvarez and Mauricio. I'm not saying the future can't be bright for the Mets. The problem is that there is no guarantee that the prospects they have will make it the big leagues. And it's not just them. Many teams have "highly touted" prospects that have a small level of success. i think the Mets front office needs to find that balance between prospects and big contracts. Because the big name guys like Soto are not gonna sign just because the Mets throw $50 mil AAV.
You live and you learn. Cohen is still figuring out how to do what's best for the Mets who are better off with him as owner. The organization is slowly turning around from top to bottom.
@SmartrBaseball I do yeah there's a lot more to take in to account than just having money and analytics...balancing egos, cohesion, locker room leadership etc
@kiefdemon1979 rays are small market and heavy on analytics but that's not only thing they look at plus their farm system is great at teaching not the same
There are a few things you left out that are very important. While Nimmo and lindor have bad averages, Nimmos expected average is around 280, and even with a 220 avg he is 10% better than the average hitter. Lindor is also hitting incredibly well since being moved to the lead off spot. Also, Alonso’s wrc+ is just around his career avg, and is barely having a below average season for him, still well, well above average for the league
@@SmartrBaseball I took my Dad to the Mariner's game on 4/27. We're life long M's fans. However, I got to see Altuve and he's been my favorite player for years. Gigante did not participate in the sign stealing BS.
I do appreciate the gumption, but the Mets ignored the basic fundamentals of baseball team building that can be bent but never broken. You MUST build a farm system first and foremost and once you have your homegrown stars ONLY THEN can you buy the farm on Free Agents. Especially today because Free Agency is so broken.
@@Redpoppy80 and what do you do when you purchase a team from owners who were cheap and invested no money in scouting or development and left a farm which was ranked like 27th?
As a die hard Mets fan, the Mets lacked a competent front office for years. Prior to Cohen the Wilpons nickle and dimed every season. The Scherzer and Verlander trades were attempts to a win now but also save on the future by building the minors. Scherzer and Verlander are at the tail end of the careers. In hindsight, they were bad signings. But at the end time it gave hope to the Mets faithful that the team was willing to invest in whatever it took to build a winning team and winning culture. So yes it’s an expensive failure, but we know have the front office to make the right choices for not only today but for the future. I rather be the Mets than the Marlins, Whitesox,
@@refusetolose05 Baty was the #2 3B prospect behind Henderson and top 10 in sport. Then he failed. Sometimes that happens to plans. Now they have Vientos out there who I have been defending for a long time due to his terrible opportunities to play. He's got 10 homers and 26 RBI and a 961 OPS in 136 ABs. They also have Mauricio who will be between 3B and 2B depending on situation with Vientos, Acuna, and DH To say nothing for the foreseeable future is ridiculous
Severino is part of the solution, not part of the problem. Remember, the guy was once among the best pitchers in baseball and he's still young. Prior to trading him i'd first like to offer him an extension of $20 mil x 4 and see whether he bites. i would move McNeil, Alonso, Lindor, Nimmo and Marte for pitching prospects swallowing whatever it takes of their contracts. Play Parada, Clifford, Acuna, Williams, Gilbert and Ramirez and let's see what they can do. Sweeping the Nationals, who have been little more than an expansion team since getting rid of their best players, is fools' gold. This team is not making the playoffs.
Wow I think the exact opposite. Keep those 5, (or at least 4 of them do) they have the potential, swap out the rest for better pitching and BETTER COACHING! That's what I think is really holding the Mets back. They have good players who are being let down by horrible coaching. You don't see the Mets steel bases like they should, they're too safe, they aren't willing to take risks. They need to hustle more with coaches who push them to be the best. That's my opinion at least.
I think that if Vientos is still playing well by the deadline, they will trade him. I see no point in keeping him. I think he and McNeil are part of a losing culture on the team.
Lindor is a good player, but he is and never will be worth that kind of money. As far as shortstops go defensively, I can name a handful I would rather have that are asking for a lot less money. Sure, he’s a switch batter, but he is not as productive as standard batters at his position either. He has a 1.5 WAR. I don’t know where the Mets came up with the numbers for that contract to be honest. Looking back it would have been better to keep Giménez and move him over to Shortstop (assuming they still decided to onboard McNeil).
What happened to the Mets is simple. When they had that 101 win season, the Braves chipped away at the Met lead in the east division, caught up to them, and then left them in the dust. Now they are still suffering from the psychological effects of that amazing collapse and became weak panzy asses and still haven't recovered from the fact that the Braves are deep in their heads. And I'd like to also add that some of those Met players were on a "fluke" year like McNeil who came back down from his off-season home on Mars to show what a lousy hitter he really is. add that to the fact that Met owner Steve Cohen is an amateur owner who is not a very good judge of character.
In 2022 McNeil's OPS was 836. In 2020 McNeil's OPS was 836. In 2019 McNeil's OPS was 916. In 2018 McNeil's OPS was 852. You sound like Spencer Strider crying at his locker after he gets lit up. "*Sniff sniff* They're just... *sniff* getting lucky *sniff sniff.* I guess I'll just go have a fluke rookie season, get lit up my sophomore season, and then have Tommy John. *sniff sniff*"
I agree with you but the Mets need to blow up this team. Most of the players here have no future with the team. Also we need to blow up the core with gas proven that together they cannot be consistent. We need to trade Alonso or get a compensation pick that's 22M+ saved. This guy is not clutch and in his years with the Mets he hasn't been able to carry the team for 3 or more games. McNeil has to go even if we eat a lot of money. Everyone with a 1 year deal gone. Let's give the kids in the minors a chance to pitch here. We can go after Soto if we can't get him at a reasonable price we should go after after Christian Walker Give him a 2 year deal with an option this saves us at least 140M plus years that we would have to give Alonso. Stearns knows what to do.
In 3/4 of full seasons he's knocked in 118+ runs, but he's not clutch? Wtf are you talking about? Kids in the minors are already getting chances to pitch here. And obviously people like Quintana, Severino, Megill, Manaea, Houser, are stopgaps because somebody has to throw innings and also be backup as Scott, Butto, Tidwell, etc continue to develop Walker should absolutely be option #2. And he is absolutely getting a better deal than what you just suggested.
@@dontlikethisplace ? The league has been telling you that for decades Though 2009 the Yankees proved many people wrong by purchasing that World Series
@@dontlikethisplace Ya believe me I saw it. The foolish video that said Senga is out for the year when he was never reported as out for the year and is literally about to pitch a game. Lmao. My guess is the creator is a Yankees fan because he doesn't know much. Btw my comment was correct. And you know it. Which is why you got 0 response. You're prob like 15 and don't even know who was on that team though. You think Judge will ever even sniff the WS or his career just down the tube playing for a failure?
@@BKDBut yawn. Typical Mets apologist. Can’t handle the fact that your team is ass so you come after the good teams. The beauty of it is that if Judge never gets to a WS, my team is still 19x more successful than yours. My team can never win a WS again and I’ll be happy with what I saw in the 90’s. Unlike you, who will watch your team flail, and fail, and shit themselves, and blow leads in front of the world, forever. And because you’re a bitter child that thinks everyone is as miserable as you, it’ll never enter your mind that you could just root for someone else. That’s why you think I care about response. Unlike you, I don’t need other anons on the internet to tell me I’m right. I have record books for that. Happy belated Bobby Bonilla Day. Go blow Edwin Diaz’s trumpet.
@@BKDBut I saw my team win a ring for each finger before I could buy beer. I can die happy watching Mets fans cope. If a team can buy a championship, do the Mets just suck at that too?
Steve Cohen is showing signs of being another Steinbrenner-no patience. Ignoring a core and going for expensive players trying to use NY as a stage for their glorification and not truly invested in building a long lasting legacy.
@@BKDBut they'll win the division - watch and learn. Young studs - they did it right - amateur draft - not like the Mets, signing old has beens. Cohen's an imbecile. O's payroll is 27th out of 30 teams @ $82M.
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@@aidenawe9359 worst in my lifetime - I've followed the Mets for 57 years. Orioles payroll is ranked 27th out of 30 teams, and they're destroying teams - will probably win it all. It's not about the money and Cohen, the imbecile he is, thinks so. In '69, Seaver made $40K, the next highest on the team was Cleon at $27K.
He really hasn’t, this team would be even worse without him. Cohen was never going to be able to win a World Series in 4 years. The Wilpons left this team in a miserable state, too much needed to be rebuilt to be competitive. Give it time
@@DJRocks107 unlimited finances should get us the best farm system in baseball, and it's one of the worst - because he spends all of his money on worthless free agents.
"I love how" stupid and ignorant your post of two days ago is, considering the Mets have displayed the best record and best offense in MLB lately, going from 11 games under .500 to 2 games under, 1 game out of a Wildcard. No hate, though. 🙂 LET'S GO METS! 🙂
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As a Mets employee I have to watch the Mets loose and have to stay until the end. Last year they sucked and with new manager they are sucking again with no hope in the near future. Mets do not want to bring up prospect and instead disappoint the fans.
This was posted before the Grimace Era, this needs to be updated
This video aged well. Thanks man.
Dang , my feelings were hurt until I went the doubleheader in Atlanta and Lindor killed the braves curse...bounce the Brew Crew and fleecedcPhilly...Mets ultimately participated well in the NLCS
Mets just won 7 in a row and are looking like a playoff team
Only because the second NL wildcard might wind up under .500
I’m glad Mets fans are satisfied with this, though!
lol Nothing like being satisfied with just below average
@@davidhecker2607
Damn, so many idiots and haters in this thread, you included. 🙂 They just won the Cubs series, the hottest team in MLB with the best offensive for the last month. The last Wildcard is an option, they're at least aiming at the 1ST. Smarten up, David. No hate. A Yankees fan? 🙂
@@cybercatgaming6052
Who's satisfied with that? Your words. Bullshit. 🙂
@@johnlinzmayer7036no hate intended! Just calling it like I see it. In some ways, it’s a bit sad to see how little it takes for the once proud Mets fanbase to start pounding their chest.
I am truly excited for the NYM though, playing great ball and nearly at .500
Meh, even the Mets front office admitted to Verlander and Scherzer last year that they were punting this season
And I still can't understand with how much they've gone all in they're okay with just wasting a year
@@SmartrBaseball true, but at the end of the day it is Cohen’s money. So if he’s okay with burning it on some mediocre/bad seasons then really who can stop him
@@SmartrBaseballI try to cope with it by assuming they're using this year to figure out a gameplan for the next few years. But the Mets have so many problems, I can't imagine them fixing it all in any less than 5 years.
3 game winning streak 🎉
@@cygnus_XI I think they have a good core of young infielders to build around. If they can add some good young prospects at the deadline, they can be in contention for a wild card within the next two years.
I agree with the gist of this video and it’s a great breakdown. But I do want to point out that Alonso’s OPS being under .800 doesn’t sound good until you realize his .792 OPS is a 129 OPS+. He has a 136 for his career, so pretty much playing to career norm
It's a very bad breakdown.
@@BKDBut Cry more Mets fan. He is on the nose with the breakdown
@cybercatgaming6052 no he isn't. He did a "breakdown" as an outside perspective. Didn't take the time to really research the teams strategy and approach
@@cybercatgaming6052 My criticism of it that you'd never read because you're too dumb and lazy to
There's a real glossing over of just how much money the Mets have been paying to people who are not on the roster. In 2023 they paid Cano $20.25 mil, McCann $9.3 mil, Ruf $3.25 mil, and Flexen $3.87 mil. That's $36.67 mil for guys who were never in the organization. Then $18.6 for Diaz who never threw a pitch. And Eduardo Escobar and Mark Canha were traded a month before the deadline with almost all of their combined $24 mil salaries retained.
In 2024 they're still paying McCann $8 mil. Scherzer $30.8. Verlander $25. Now there's another dead $13 mil with Narvaez, Wendle, Lopez, Nido all being DFAd. And Brooks Raley had TJ. He's being paid $6.5 mil.
Kodai Senga was not lost for the 2024 season. He was lost until June and has had setbacks. He's currently throwing bullpens.
Yes, Yamamoto turned down BOTH NY teams because he was never saying yes to anyone except the Dodgers to play with Ohtani. Yankees offered the highest AAV, are the Yankees, and he told them no.
You think Jeff McNeil at $12.5 can't be moved? A former batting champ who can play 2B and both corner OF spots well? What?
How do you talk about how will the Mets replace the starters when Christian Scott has been flying up the prospect rankings, then made his debut where he made 5 starts before being sent back down? 3 Quality Starts, 27.2 IP, 25 Ks, 6 BBs, 1.08 WHIP. And Jose Butto who has a 3.08 ERA in 7 starts and 38 IP this season? Blade Tidwell is having success in AAA and there's a good chance he makes his debut this year. And then the SP FA class is incredibly deep. Burnes. Fried. Bieber. Buehler. Means. Flaherty. (Yes, Means and Bieber will be returning from surgery, but they are absolutely good pitchers people will be taking fliers on)
And what do you think the Mets should have done this past offseason? With all of this dead money they were already in a position where every dollar was being taxed at 100%. And the team had lots of holes. And the FA class was trash. There were some top names, Ohtani, Yamamoto, and then who? People said they should have signed Snell or Montgomery. Yeah, lots of teams wanted those two... and they have turned out great...
JD Martinez was signed for peanuts and will almost certainly be flipped. Severino will likely get a pretty decent piece from a contender. Marte has one more year at a high salary, but he is back to being productive. Hitting 286. 7 homers. 12/12 stolen bases. 126 OPS+. Retaining some money the Mets could get a prospect and further reduce payroll next year. Even Harrison Bader could very well bring in a piece back. His defense is still elite and he's currently got an above average OPS and he's been very clutch.
(And it's worth noting that Verlander's 2025 vesting option really doesn't look like it will vest. He needs 140 IP, he's at 57 as of 6/15, and he was scratched from his start today) OH AND ADDING RIGHT NOW THAT VERLANDER GOT SENT TO IL
@@cybercatgaming6052 If I laid out exactly why it's bad you wouldn't read it
Nah were in the playoff hunt dude.
Grimace Strikes Back
Obviously the video was made BG... Before Grimace. Our Lord and Savior is bringing the Mets back into contention.
I'm happy my favorite show premiered early this year. Normally I have to wait until July before the Mets fully implode.
The baseball gods blessed us this year fr👏🏻
Go Phils
imma have to wait till October to watch the phills implode in the playoffs💔
Being a Mets fan sucks.
Since ‘05.
They just keep finding new ways to let us down.
This didn’t age well, season back on boys
More proof that money doesn't buy championships the way it used to. The Braves' model seems to work well. Lock up your young talent early (but not too early like some other teams have done) and get a few star players here and there to supplement your homegrown core. But that won't work for every team. Just happy I'm not a Mets fan.
The rangers bought a championship
Ah, yes, that Atlanta Braves model which has shown so much success for winning championships, with their grand total of 2 in the last 76 years. The same amount as the Mets.
@@BKDBut I'm talking about recently, but yes. The Braves seem to be in the playoffs every year and choke 95% of the time. I'm not even a Braves fan, but what they've done with their young stars is being done everywhere now. Funny the Mets have the same number in 75 years though. Didn't even think of that. I'll never forget 1986 and the ball going through Buckner's legs. I wasn't even one year old yet. But I'll never forget it.
I'm not sure what more the Mets could've done. They brought in Scherzer and Verlander. Signed top free agents and had some home grown talent. It worked out in 2022 with 101 wins. Then they just fell apart last year. I watched most of the games and it was awful. Starting with the Diaz injury and going from there. Then you had two 40 year old pitchers that were under preforming. They had to cut their loses. That type of payroll isn't sustainable no matter how rich you are. What were the Mets supposed to do? Add another 100 mil on top of that? Try to get Soto or Ohtani? It just wasn't going to work without some type of rebuild. Cohen tried. I don't know why people are mad at him for things not working out. You can look at the salary this year and say the Mets should be doing better with that payroll, but the tear down has already started. Next years salary will be around half of what it is now and the Mets will continue this soft rebuild process. Cohen will add big names when he needs to and I'm fine with that.
I think you answered your question. Your best pitchers should not be 40 years old getting paid $40 mil a year. They assumed Edwin Diaz would not revert to his old ways of blowing saves (which he did). It doesn't matter how much money you spend if you're overpaying on the wrong pieces hoping that, at some point, the contracts will pan out. Look at the Dodgers: overspend every year to win 1 shortened season championship. And the Giants won 3 championships with a small payroll. It's less about how much you spend and more about the quality of players.
@@welliecross2903 but the Dodgers are always in it always winning a division always making a playoff run the Mets don’t regardless of how much they spend. That’s the difference can’t compare the two is a well run organization. The other one is an absolute dumpster fire
@@Historywithmiakeski but my point is that the Mets have to develop talent and then add the pieces as they come. The mistake they made in 2022 is that they just signed players to exorbitant contracts (at least in AAVs) to win now. The problem is that the glaring holes were still there, even when they won 101 games (3b, LF, C). Hopefully, they have good prospects because this could be like NFL Giants, 1 good year and another 5 of struggles
@@welliecross2903 In 2022 their top prospects were Brett Baty and Francisco Alvarez, 3B and C, respectively. Both were top prospects in baseball. Alvarez was the top C prospect. Baty was the #2 3B prospect behind Henderson and top 10 on many lists. Those known problems had planned fixes and they partially haven't worked out. Baty is basically an established AAAA player. He was recently sent down again and immediately started raking. It's what he always does. I think his time is just about done. But thankfully Mark Vientos has taken a big step forward and in 84 ABs this year has 5 homers, an 897 OPS, a 161 OPS+ and has made huge strides defensively. (There's also Mauricio who would have been seeing time at 3B had he not torn his ACL during the winter and is missing the entire year.) Alvarez almost set the record for most homers by a rookie C last year. Probably would have if he played a full season. I think he finished 1 behind Bench. During development his defense was questioned, but Verlander and Scherzer raved about his pitch calling, his game prep, he ranked as one of the highest framers and was all around good defensively. His future looks bright.
@@BKDBut To be honest, Baty is trash. Can't hit, barely fields properly, errors, etc. I like Alvarez and Mauricio. I'm not saying the future can't be bright for the Mets. The problem is that there is no guarantee that the prospects they have will make it the big leagues. And it's not just them. Many teams have "highly touted" prospects that have a small level of success. i think the Mets front office needs to find that balance between prospects and big contracts. Because the big name guys like Soto are not gonna sign just because the Mets throw $50 mil AAV.
Grimace happened
You live and you learn. Cohen is still figuring out how to do what's best for the Mets who are better off with him as owner. The organization is slowly turning around from top to bottom.
I am certain after All-Star break, it'll flip favoring towards the above .500 record...never lose the hope Mets fans.
Na the Mets hot garbage and will be a sub 500 Team Way after the All-Star break
Injuries aside I feel like this is what happens when you go all in on analytics only
Do you think it's more balancing traditional baseball wisdom with analytics, rather than one or the other?
@SmartrBaseball I do yeah there's a lot more to take in to account than just having money and analytics...balancing egos, cohesion, locker room leadership etc
Na, cause that's how the Rays operate. The Mets went for star power and ignored things like injury history and age of the player.
@kiefdemon1979 rays are small market and heavy on analytics but that's not only thing they look at plus their farm system is great at teaching not the same
Pre-grimace
There are a few things you left out that are very important. While Nimmo and lindor have bad averages, Nimmos expected average is around 280, and even with a 220 avg he is 10% better than the average hitter. Lindor is also hitting incredibly well since being moved to the lead off spot. Also, Alonso’s wrc+ is just around his career avg, and is barely having a below average season for him, still well, well above average for the league
who’s here post-grimace
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No Thomas Jefferson said LOLMETS in 1801
I love adding Tom Segura’s dunk vid 😂😂
Tom Segura is my favorite Japanese comedian
But are they now? Grimace has saved there season, at least for now
Grimace may need to have a word
Interesting study of how money can't buy you love😅 Chemistry and Good Vibes bring a team together for the long run. Thank you for the video ❤
Glad you enjoyed the video, who was your favorite team you've gotten to watch?
@@SmartrBaseball I took my Dad to the Mariner's game on 4/27. We're life long M's fans. However, I got to see Altuve and he's been my favorite player for years. Gigante did not participate in the sign stealing BS.
I do appreciate the gumption, but the Mets ignored the basic fundamentals of baseball team building that can be bent but never broken. You MUST build a farm system first and foremost and once you have your homegrown stars ONLY THEN can you buy the farm on Free Agents. Especially today because Free Agency is so broken.
@@Redpoppy80 and what do you do when you purchase a team from owners who were cheap and invested no money in scouting or development and left a farm which was ranked like 27th?
DBZA reference is amazing
Imma be honest, hearing $500 million dollar offseason when 2024 the dodgers spent 700 on one player just looses how much this actually was
This may have been premature!
Grimace be like: Hold my beer! 😂
As a die hard Mets fan, the Mets lacked a competent front office for years. Prior to Cohen the Wilpons nickle and dimed every season.
The Scherzer and Verlander trades were attempts to a win now but also save on the future by building the minors. Scherzer and Verlander are at the tail end of the careers.
In hindsight, they were bad signings. But at the end time it gave hope to the Mets faithful that the team was willing to invest in whatever it took to build a winning team and winning culture.
So yes it’s an expensive failure, but we know have the front office to make the right choices for not only today but for the future. I rather be the Mets than the Marlins, Whitesox,
I just want to say I love the DBZA clips in here lol
This could be an annual video
Baty didn't fail at third, he failed behind the plate.
David Wright retired in 2016... still no true replacement with nothing for the foreseeable future.
@@refusetolose05 Baty was the #2 3B prospect behind Henderson and top 10 in sport. Then he failed. Sometimes that happens to plans. Now they have Vientos out there who I have been defending for a long time due to his terrible opportunities to play. He's got 10 homers and 26 RBI and a 961 OPS in 136 ABs. They also have Mauricio who will be between 3B and 2B depending on situation with Vientos, Acuna, and DH
To say nothing for the foreseeable future is ridiculous
Severino is part of the solution, not part of the problem. Remember, the guy was once among the best pitchers in baseball and he's still young. Prior to trading him i'd first like to offer him an extension of $20 mil x 4 and see whether he bites. i would move McNeil, Alonso, Lindor, Nimmo and Marte for pitching prospects swallowing whatever it takes of their contracts. Play Parada, Clifford, Acuna, Williams, Gilbert and Ramirez and let's see what they can do. Sweeping the Nationals, who have been little more than an expansion team since getting rid of their best players, is fools' gold. This team is not making the playoffs.
Wow I think the exact opposite. Keep those 5, (or at least 4 of them do) they have the potential, swap out the rest for better pitching and BETTER COACHING! That's what I think is really holding the Mets back. They have good players who are being let down by horrible coaching. You don't see the Mets steel bases like they should, they're too safe, they aren't willing to take risks. They need to hustle more with coaches who push them to be the best. That's my opinion at least.
I think that if Vientos is still playing well by the deadline, they will trade him. I see no point in keeping him. I think he and McNeil are part of a losing culture on the team.
@@fr2ncm9 Are you smoking crack? Vientos?
lol and now they haven't lost since u posted this
Lindor is a good player, but he is and never will be worth that kind of money. As far as shortstops go defensively, I can name a handful I would rather have that are asking for a lot less money. Sure, he’s a switch batter, but he is not as productive as standard batters at his position either. He has a 1.5 WAR.
I don’t know where the Mets came up with the numbers for that contract to be honest. Looking back it would have been better to keep Giménez and move him over to Shortstop (assuming they still decided to onboard McNeil).
He has the 2nd highest WAR of SS since he came to Mets. Only Turner is higher. And no SS is a better bat/glove combo.
What happened to the Mets is simple. When they had that 101 win season, the Braves chipped away at the Met lead in the east division, caught up to them, and then left them in the dust. Now they are still suffering from the psychological effects of that amazing collapse and became weak panzy asses and still haven't recovered from the fact that the Braves are deep in their heads. And I'd like to also add that some of those Met players were on a "fluke" year like McNeil who came back down from his off-season home on Mars to show what a lousy hitter he really is. add that to the fact that Met owner Steve Cohen is an amateur owner who is not a very good judge of character.
In 2022 McNeil's OPS was 836. In 2020 McNeil's OPS was 836. In 2019 McNeil's OPS was 916. In 2018 McNeil's OPS was 852.
You sound like Spencer Strider crying at his locker after he gets lit up. "*Sniff sniff* They're just... *sniff* getting lucky *sniff sniff.* I guess I'll just go have a fluke rookie season, get lit up my sophomore season, and then have Tommy John. *sniff sniff*"
I agree with you but the Mets need to blow up this team. Most of the players here have no future with the team. Also we need to blow up the core with gas proven that together they cannot be consistent. We need to trade Alonso or get a compensation pick that's 22M+ saved. This guy is not clutch and in his years with the Mets he hasn't been able to carry the team for 3 or more games. McNeil has to go even if we eat a lot of money. Everyone with a 1 year deal gone. Let's give the kids in the minors a chance to pitch here. We can go after Soto if we can't get him at a reasonable price we should go after after Christian Walker Give him a 2 year deal with an option this saves us at least 140M plus years that we would have to give Alonso.
Stearns knows what to do.
In 3/4 of full seasons he's knocked in 118+ runs, but he's not clutch? Wtf are you talking about?
Kids in the minors are already getting chances to pitch here. And obviously people like Quintana, Severino, Megill, Manaea, Houser, are stopgaps because somebody has to throw innings and also be backup as Scott, Butto, Tidwell, etc continue to develop
Walker should absolutely be option #2. And he is absolutely getting a better deal than what you just suggested.
Great video!!! As a Phillies fan I am loving this!
2 rings since 1883 😂
(Coming from a Phillies fan) Next time the Mets are in the World Series, I will be rooting for them.
Insider trading is not allowed in MLB, so Cohen can't have a winning "investment. " Boof - Bababoey
first of all paying lindor that much money to begin with was a question mark overpaid him
Boagerts is even worse 🤢
no
Since lindor got moved to leadoof couple weeks ago he’s been a lot better.
Interesting, because he's got the 2nd highest WAR amongst SS since he signed, and between offense and defense he's been the all around best SS.
@@BKDButpeople seem to forget that Lindor’s game is centered around his defense… he’s one of if not the best defensive shortstop in the league
Clickbait
MEET THE METS! BEAT THE METS!
Enjoy the Devils, 1 series win in over a decade is sad, not even the Mets are that bad
Are they still paying Bobby Bonilla ?
yep . they’re paying him 1.2mil all the way to 2036
Yes, and it was still a good move. It got them the NLCS MVP, and it got them David Wright.
Mets are doing better than Yankees, so far.
But...Grimace! 😂
Growing up a Yankees fan, it feels good to say: ITS NOT SO EASY IS IT. TURNS OUT ITS NOT JUST PAYROLL, HUH?
@@dontlikethisplace ? The league has been telling you that for decades
Though 2009 the Yankees proved many people wrong by purchasing that World Series
@@BKDBut See above video. $300 million down the tubes and nothing to show for it. Turns out, you have to win games.
@@dontlikethisplace Ya believe me I saw it. The foolish video that said Senga is out for the year when he was never reported as out for the year and is literally about to pitch a game. Lmao. My guess is the creator is a Yankees fan because he doesn't know much.
Btw my comment was correct. And you know it. Which is why you got 0 response. You're prob like 15 and don't even know who was on that team though.
You think Judge will ever even sniff the WS or his career just down the tube playing for a failure?
@@BKDBut yawn. Typical Mets apologist. Can’t handle the fact that your team is ass so you come after the good teams.
The beauty of it is that if Judge never gets to a WS, my team is still 19x more successful than yours. My team can never win a WS again and I’ll be happy with what I saw in the 90’s. Unlike you, who will watch your team flail, and fail, and shit themselves, and blow leads in front of the world, forever. And because you’re a bitter child that thinks everyone is as miserable as you, it’ll never enter your mind that you could just root for someone else. That’s why you think I care about response. Unlike you, I don’t need other anons on the internet to tell me I’m right. I have record books for that.
Happy belated Bobby Bonilla Day. Go blow Edwin Diaz’s trumpet.
@@BKDBut I saw my team win a ring for each finger before I could buy beer. I can die happy watching Mets fans cope. If a team can buy a championship, do the Mets just suck at that too?
Steve Cohen is showing signs of being another Steinbrenner-no patience. Ignoring a core and going for expensive players trying to use NY as a stage for their glorification and not truly invested in building a long lasting legacy.
Yep. Stein and Berg are gonna act the same
Yep! Cohen has already hired and fired managers and GM's at a rate not seen in baseball since Steinbrenner in his hey day.
He’ll built a top 3 farm so there that’s.
M-E-T-S MESSS!!!! MESSSS!!!!!! MESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feels so good when I see and hear the Mets are 16.5 games behind the Fightin Phils
2 rings since 1883 is pathetic, I’d rather be a White Sox fan 😂
It was funny that even the Mets last year in my mlb show simulation that they blew a 3-1 series lead at the nlcs. Now, they just suck lol
How tf did they make there in the first place?! 😂😂😂
They were the favorites for a $350+ million club lol
They went to the NLCS 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Time to trade polar Pete, would be idiotic not to
@@seplays2280 not really
Only a matter of time before the Yankees or Dodgers scoop up Kodai Senga lol.
The same Yankees who offered the highest AAV to Yamamoto and he told them no? Not sure why you think Yankees are scooping up Senga.
@@BKDBut notice I mentioned the Dodgers too. The team Yamamoto actually signed with. I don't even like either of those teams lol
If everyone is spending millions, then most of those teams won't win the World Series. Think before you spend.
Mets will be holding last wild card by late July. Mark my words. Gotta Believe!!!
Could be. They just have to not have a long losing streak after this winning streak is broken.
update ?
More than the Dodgers?
No mention of the Correa 'signing'?
What should have been said? It's a video to point out the Mets bad moves. Not signing Correa was a great move.
LOLMets is eternal.
Mets not winning any time soon let's go O's
You sound like Ben Verlander
It’s a roster full of overrated guys solely because they play for the Mets
What about now🤒
Do you have the balls to update this video
Who cares were not the people signing those checks....lets go mets
Leave my Mets alone 🥺
They need to sell off. This is a team that has made the playoffs just once in four years. The other three, have played below 500.
Orioles payroll, $82M.
Yeah, the Orioles also intentionally tanked for 4 years straight and haven't been to a World Series for over 40 years.
@@BKDBut they'll win the division - watch and learn. Young studs - they did it right - amateur draft - not like the Mets, signing old has beens. Cohen's an imbecile. O's payroll is 27th out of 30 teams @ $82M.
I love your content but come on your sponsor is complete lies. You are describing arbitrage that is exteremly hard to do and companies will spend millions of $s doing it in the stock market. If someone had a repeatable arbitrage strategy on sports betting it would not be advertised on UA-cam, SMH
Senga is not out for the season, get your facts straight.
On the bright side, your oops here is driving up your views a bit.
This video aged poorly
Go yankees
.Cohen has ruined this franchise.
He’s not even close to the worst owner in baseball
@@aidenawe9359 worst in my lifetime - I've followed the Mets for 57 years. Orioles payroll is ranked 27th out of 30 teams, and they're destroying teams - will probably win it all. It's not about the money and Cohen, the imbecile he is, thinks so. In '69, Seaver made $40K, the next highest on the team was Cleon at $27K.
He really hasn’t, this team would be even worse without him. Cohen was never going to be able to win a World Series in 4 years. The Wilpons left this team in a miserable state, too much needed to be rebuilt to be competitive. Give it time
@@DJRocks107 unlimited finances should get us the best farm system in baseball, and it's one of the worst - because he spends all of his money on worthless free agents.
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I love how consistently Mets suck it down and swallow despite the money they spend.
"I love how" stupid and ignorant your post of two days ago is, considering the Mets have displayed the best record and best offense in MLB lately, going from 11 games under .500 to 2 games under, 1 game out of a Wildcard. No hate, though. 🙂
LET'S GO METS! 🙂
He did call the Mets the worst team in the league its hilarious u buy his lame excuse his agent wrote for him
Dear Mets Fan: Happy Bobby Bonilla Day!
(P.S. John Rocker was 100% right)
Mets are trash