Great job with your reviews. Short, accurate, real. I'm a USA Archery Level 4 Coach and always look for more information to pass on to my students to help them improve. One thing I appreciated from you is your explanation of expansion to soot a hinge release, with emphasis on pushing with your bow arm. Good advise. Thanks. Thomas Powell, Central Oregon Archery Academy.
Dear Bow Manufacturers, We as bow hunters pride ourselves on... cutting the sh*t. There may have been a day in the past when you were right there with us. Where did you get off that track? Please cut the sh*t. Bring honesty back to the speed ratings. It has to bother you at some point when you try to reconcile your deception with the empty words "everyone else is doing it". Please give us honesty. We deserve it. We have earned it. You just might regain our respect if you do. Love, Your Customers
Just a question, I noticed on some bows that you speed test the numbers are very close to each other. This bow you just tested it ranged from 300 fps to 308 fps. What is causing this larger inconsistency in some bows?
Smoothest draw cycle at 31.5” I’ve felt in 36 years of bowhunting. I shot it head to head vs. my Reign 7 (IBO 340) at 31.25” DL with 536 and 573 grain hunting arrows and the XL was just 2-3 fps slower with a whisker biscuit. Plenty fast for me and easy on the shoulders. 👍
Would be nice to see these long draw designed bows shot closer to a long draw setting so we can really see how the bow performs at 32-33”. Maybe get a long draw guy to shoot it so you can provide that info.
Have you ever tried comparing your chrono with another persons? I know I've seen some that have a pretty good difference between the two. Maybe its lighting but your speeds compared to other channels seem to be a little slower on avg.
your speed test is all over the place - like it was with your WB vs drop away rest tests. Margins in order of 8 fps would compromise your accuracy at longer shots significantly if the variation would be so high (which I don't believe it is). Your setup and the chrono with the light kit will very likely get affected by the fluorescent lamps - especially the one on the left side ("left" wrt view of the vid) will have an impact. If you read the manual of the chrono I recall it states somewhere that fluorescent lights likely have a negative impact on the readings. If the lamps are some kind of modern LED kits I would still test the speed when the chrono is shaded (just use a card box with bottom and 1 side removed) from the lamp light - you will likely get a much more consistent reading.
How does it compare to the atlas on draw cycle? I like the tuning system on the bow tech cams but the dampeners just look like they are extremely easy to rip off and loose. A ~3 FPS ibo speed is sadly not enough to make a difference. Also, how does the roller guard tuning system work? Is it worth it?
Im really looking at this bow recently but ive got a little over 31.5" DL.. im hoping to find something that has a closer max length to mine that way i know im maxing out the speed.
Love the vids. Especially the ones where you are helping Tim become a better archer. I have a request for a video. How about one on finding the correct draw length. Not one that stops at posture, string on tip of nose, corner of mouth. One that tells you how to really fine tune draw length and recognize that you are there? I cant seem to get my hold pattern to be inside the Vegas 10 ring. I'm thinking draw length is a bit off. Whatever help you can provide will be greatly appreciated!! Keep up the great work on you tube.😃
If you are drawing and coming into a solid anchor point, then it may not be your draw length. Try a longer stabilizer or a stabilizer with more point weight. It may help limit movement.
Any suggestions on getting my wife an upgrade looking at the prima and eclipse but I don't want to limit her to just those 2 choices watch all your videos love the Intel and presentation
Mr MFJJ. The Revolt has the limb lock system on the side of the limbs that you are supposed to loosen before you make any limb bolt adjustments. If you dont the bow will be out of tune. Might explain why it sounds like crap and has vibration?
Glad you do the draw weight check now, its good to see where there set at as you know some might draw heavier than stated some less from the factory, great work as always
so I'm a 31-31.5 draw length....do you have recommendation from Bowtech that would be a better solution for me. I'm currently shooting a Bowtech Insanity CPXL, and I'm really liking the Bowtech lineup. I shot a Hoyt RX7 Ultra Carbon at TAC, it was nice but like you pointed out it's not $1900 nice. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the great review,, I got your point getting shorter draw length 26,5-32" for this bow,, but as it is, it's really hard to find any bow above 31,5", not to mention for 33" draw length.. :)) So maybe some credit for the developer and for being able to buy one quality bow with longer draw length given with minor set back... Maybe if this sells well, then there is point giving in more money for development.. I also like your opinions and contradiction with Ranch 🧚♂ Because I believe, I find myself somewhere from between and I get a lot from both... So thanks for that!!!! Yes, it is not on the plain view but noticeable 🤗🤫😬
Hey thanks for the review! You mentioned there are better options for a 31" draw length, what would you recommend for a 31", but same geometry, smoothness, ease of tunability. Cheers!
As someone in a 31.5"-32" draw, it sucks that most companies make a 30.5"-31 flagship and a +33". I keep going back to my "Blow"tech Boss like an abusive relationship. It is a 32" max draw and 36" Axle to Axle. The longer AtoA is nice for string angle and holding, but it's on its 3rd set of limbs in 8yrs. Thanks for the great content, makes me want to head into the shop and try to move on from my current emotional terrorist of a bow.
I don't know but for me those "limb tips" with those glued(?) and 2x riveted dead lock cam system parts don't appear to be a long lasting solution, built.
It'd be so great to see what that thing shoots at 32.5 and 33". I could somewhat guess what it would be normally but if it comes alive at the longer DL's then it would sure be nice to know since that's what a whole lot of guys like myself are looking at knowing. I have one on order but if its gonna be 24 fps under the 350 fps at 33" i may rethink this purchase. Companies that miss hitting their rated speeds is not an accident & are not doing themselves any favors. I like a lot of other things about this model but it needs to be close to rated speeds. Wish it was 35 or 36" ata to. I think they missed the boat on that to. They gotta have a late release up their sleeves because 33" ata for their LD hunting bow just doesn't seem to cut it especially for Bowtech.
I picked mine up yesterday morning, set it up at a 31.5" draw length and did some speed testing. It's a legitimate 330 IBO bow on the performance setting but performs really well at longer draw lengths. I'll be uploading a speed test video with different arrow weights to my channel in the near future. The draw cycle is incredible and it is dead and dead quiet when set up with a rest, sights and stabilizer.
@@frankschneider5566 I tested speeds at 33" on my channel. I also bought a 2nd one I loved the first so much. Best hunting bow Ive shot in 37 whitetail seasons.
Guess I never updated my post after I took delivery. Finest bow I ever had by far. No regrets. Just at or a tick better performance than my Traverse was. Back with Bowtech and may grab myself a Reckoning Gen 2 as a companion.
Ouch. I know it's smooth drawing and everything, but it's not really competing with other bows on the market at those speeds. You would need a pretty long draw length to justify this one
@@aldoraine9259 unfortunately it’s supposed to be a 350 IBO and it’s nowhere near that even at the longer draws. Ontop of that the SR350 they released this year is well under IBO. These Bowtechs this year are just slow and more vibration then they had in the last couple of years. Bowtech did not offer up a great product this year
@@toddlymburner5783 I can agree with you on some things here, for sure. But about the IBO speeds..... Ahhh.... I take those reported speeds with a grain of salt. As well all know, Manufacturers always bloat this specification. Why I have no idea. I wish they would give real world, correct speed reports, but its not a perfect world. Also, once you strap in a hunting arrow setup, all speeds drop under 300fps anyways. Almost always. Unless of course we are shooting straws😂
@@aldoraine9259 I would agree? They all do fib but for example the Mathews was 350 IBO and was under at 332FPS, Hoyt 340 IBO and hit 326 IBO but Bowtech was 350 IBO and was hitting 311-322 IBO on a 350 IBO which is not even in the ball park. This was way more than the usual bow company fudge.
I wish this guy was local to me he would be doing all of my bow tuning and sales. It's hard to find someone who gives the equipment the attention needed to be perfect!
love watching your reviews, definitely in the market for a new bow if you had to pick one with no budget what would you go with as far as smooth and relatively fast?
I agree I wish they would have made this more for the average DL. With my shorter, 27.5 DL I think the sr350 checks more boxes for my draw length. Thanks for the video, spot on as usual.
You've got to be kidding me! There are hundreds of bow options for people with short draw lengths. In the rare event that a company makes a bow that accommodates archers with a longer than average draw, you complain that it doesn't work for people with T-Rex arms who already have an abundance of options available?
Wow! That was a let down. I’m headed to Lancaster archery tomorrow to shoot some bows. I was very excited about this bow till I watched this. Thanks for the great videos and honest reviews. Your the only one I have alerts set for. Thanks again!
Seems in similar league as the Mathews Atlas from last year and the new Hoyt Highline: all of them allow very long DL and BH in large (this Bowtech not so much) ATA platforms with speeds around 293 to 316 at #70 x 30" x 350 grains. It could seems to be "not much" but if you're shooting them at 32"+ DL with high poundage they will deliver plenty of KE to the arrows. Very solid choices for hybrid hunting/3D/target if you don't want to use multiple rigs.
Damnn, was really hoping this was faster with the performance setting cuz it still looked really smooth. Im no means a speed freak when it comes to my setup but my RX-1 now at 75 pounds and 29.5” draw is slinging my VAP SS pretty decent. Really need and want a new longer ATA and brace height bow tho. And better draw cycle. My Rx-1 is pretty damn harsh and out dated now
Similar but not quite the same, elite adjusts the limb pocket and the bowtech actually slides the cam side to side like if you would use shims or top hats.
Great job with your reviews. Short, accurate, real. I'm a USA Archery Level 4 Coach and always look for more information to pass on to my students to help them improve. One thing I appreciated from you is your explanation of expansion to soot a hinge release, with emphasis on pushing with your bow arm. Good advise. Thanks. Thomas Powell, Central Oregon Archery Academy.
Dear Bow Manufacturers,
We as bow hunters pride ourselves on... cutting the sh*t. There may have been a day in the past when you were right there with us. Where did you get off that track? Please cut the sh*t. Bring honesty back to the speed ratings. It has to bother you at some point when you try to reconcile your deception with the empty words "everyone else is doing it". Please give us honesty. We deserve it. We have earned it. You just might regain our respect if you do.
Love, Your Customers
I don’t know how you can shoot the bow and look for vibration while those tags are hanging off the front of the bow.
Just a question, I noticed on some bows that you speed test the numbers are very close to each other. This bow you just tested it ranged from 300 fps to 308 fps. What is causing this larger inconsistency in some bows?
You put out some very good information in your videos keep on doing what you are doing.
I bought one a month ago after searching and searching for a 32 dl iam super pleased with it
Yessssss a review for us big guys.
Smoothest draw cycle at 31.5” I’ve felt in 36 years of bowhunting. I shot it head to head vs. my Reign 7 (IBO 340) at 31.25” DL with 536 and 573 grain hunting arrows and the XL was just 2-3 fps slower with a whisker biscuit. Plenty fast for me and easy on the shoulders. 👍
My heart sinks every time I see someone draw a bow without an arrow
Mr Joshua Jones!!! Can you please do a video with your opinions on the new Twin Turbo? All your videos are golden. I've learned a lot
I'm glad to see you're doing an honest review on all these bows , I've been watching your channel from day one. Keep it up, my tall friend
Would be nice to see these long draw designed bows shot closer to a long draw setting so we can really see how the bow performs at 32-33”. Maybe get a long draw guy to shoot it so you can provide that info.
I tested speeds at 33" on my channel.
Hoping you can get your hands on an Athens Vista 31.
Have you ever tried comparing your chrono with another persons? I know I've seen some that have a pretty good difference between the two. Maybe its lighting but your speeds compared to other channels seem to be a little slower on avg.
Bummer for bowtech this year… lots of puppy dog eyes.
your speed test is all over the place - like it was with your WB vs drop away rest tests. Margins in order of 8 fps would compromise your accuracy at longer shots significantly if the variation would be so high (which I don't believe it is). Your setup and the chrono with the light kit will very likely get affected by the fluorescent lamps - especially the one on the left side ("left" wrt view of the vid) will have an impact. If you read the manual of the chrono I recall it states somewhere that fluorescent lights likely have a negative impact on the readings. If the lamps are some kind of modern LED kits I would still test the speed when the chrono is shaded (just use a card box with bottom and 1 side removed) from the lamp light - you will likely get a much more consistent reading.
Gday there Mfjj would it be possible to do a speed test at 32” draw please considering it’s for LD dudes
How does it compare to the atlas on draw cycle? I like the tuning system on the bow tech cams but the dampeners just look like they are extremely easy to rip off and loose. A ~3 FPS ibo speed is sadly not enough to make a difference.
Also, how does the roller guard tuning system work? Is it worth it?
This or sr350?? 30” DL user looking for a hybrid
Im really looking at this bow recently but ive got a little over 31.5" DL.. im hoping to find something that has a closer max length to mine that way i know im maxing out the speed.
Been waiting on this 👍🏼 knew it wud not make speed!
Although, simply cannot beat the dead-lock tuning system!
Love the vids. Especially the ones where you are helping Tim become a better archer.
I have a request for a video. How about one on finding the correct draw length. Not one that stops at posture, string on tip of nose, corner of mouth. One that tells you how to really fine tune draw length and recognize that you are there? I cant seem to get my hold pattern to be inside the Vegas 10 ring. I'm thinking draw length is a bit off. Whatever help you can provide will be greatly appreciated!!
Keep up the great work on you tube.😃
If you are drawing and coming into a solid anchor point, then it may not be your draw length. Try a longer stabilizer or a stabilizer with more point weight. It may help limit movement.
Any suggestions on getting my wife an upgrade looking at the prima and eclipse but I don't want to limit her to just those 2 choices watch all your videos love the Intel and presentation
Mr MFJJ. The Revolt has the limb lock system on the side of the limbs that you are supposed to loosen before you make any limb bolt adjustments. If you dont the bow will be out of tune. Might explain why it sounds like crap and has vibration?
Glad you do the draw weight check now, its good to see where there set at as you know some might draw heavier than stated some less from the factory, great work as always
I'm really hoping that you review the x80
so I'm a 31-31.5 draw length....do you have recommendation from Bowtech that would be a better solution for me. I'm currently shooting a Bowtech Insanity CPXL, and I'm really liking the Bowtech lineup. I shot a Hoyt RX7 Ultra Carbon at TAC, it was nice but like you pointed out it's not $1900 nice.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for the great review,,
I got your point getting shorter draw length 26,5-32" for this bow,, but as it is, it's really hard to find any bow above 31,5", not to mention for 33" draw length.. :)) So maybe some credit for the developer and for being able to buy one quality bow with longer draw length given with minor set back... Maybe if this sells well, then there is point giving in more money for development..
I also like your opinions and contradiction with Ranch 🧚♂ Because I believe, I find myself somewhere from between and I get a lot from both... So thanks for that!!!! Yes, it is not on the plain view but noticeable 🤗🤫😬
Waiting to see your review of the Hoyt Hyline.
Thanks for the review
just gunna restring my reign 6
Hey thanks for the review! You mentioned there are better options for a 31" draw length, what would you recommend for a 31", but same geometry, smoothness, ease of tunability. Cheers!
As someone in a 31.5"-32" draw, it sucks that most companies make a 30.5"-31 flagship and a +33". I keep going back to my "Blow"tech Boss like an abusive relationship. It is a 32" max draw and 36" Axle to Axle. The longer AtoA is nice for string angle and holding, but it's on its 3rd set of limbs in 8yrs. Thanks for the great content, makes me want to head into the shop and try to move on from my current emotional terrorist of a bow.
I don't know but for me those "limb tips" with those glued(?) and 2x riveted dead lock cam system parts don't appear to be a long lasting solution, built.
It'd be so great to see what that thing shoots at 32.5 and 33". I could somewhat guess what it would be normally but if it comes alive at the longer DL's then it would sure be nice to know since that's what a whole lot of guys like myself are looking at knowing. I have one on order but if its gonna be 24 fps under the 350 fps at 33" i may rethink this purchase. Companies that miss hitting their rated speeds is not an accident & are not doing themselves any favors.
I like a lot of other things about this model but it needs to be close to rated speeds. Wish it was 35 or 36" ata to. I think they missed the boat on that to. They gotta have a late release up their sleeves because 33" ata for their LD hunting bow just doesn't seem to cut it especially for Bowtech.
I picked mine up yesterday morning, set it up at a 31.5" draw length and did some speed testing. It's a legitimate 330 IBO bow on the performance setting but performs really well at longer draw lengths. I'll be uploading a speed test video with different arrow weights to my channel in the near future. The draw cycle is incredible and it is dead and dead quiet when set up with a rest, sights and stabilizer.
@@PoeOutdoors thanks for the feedback. I'd be interested in anything else you get on that XL.
@@frankschneider5566 I tested speeds at 33" on my channel. I also bought a 2nd one I loved the first so much. Best hunting bow Ive shot in 37 whitetail seasons.
Guess I never updated my post after I took delivery. Finest bow I ever had by far. No regrets. Just at or a tick better performance than my Traverse was. Back with Bowtech and may grab myself a Reckoning Gen 2 as a companion.
Just bought one of these today. Shot a fmj. 33" draw at 70lbs on comfort setting. 290fps.
Would it be a waste to buy this bow if I’m a 28”?
Bow looks cool.
yes. honestly you only want this model if your 31" and above. They have some more interesting news models out yet again. I do love my XL tho.
Ouch. I know it's smooth drawing and everything, but it's not really competing with other bows on the market at those speeds. You would need a pretty long draw length to justify this one
It’s terribly slow!!!
Yes but that's what its built for. Speed will increase with a longer draw archer. Get it to 33" and then see how it performs.
@@aldoraine9259 unfortunately it’s supposed to be a 350 IBO and it’s nowhere near that even at the longer draws. Ontop of that the SR350 they released this year is well under IBO. These Bowtechs this year are just slow and more vibration then they had in the last couple of years.
Bowtech did not offer up a great product this year
@@toddlymburner5783 I can agree with you on some things here, for sure. But about the IBO speeds..... Ahhh.... I take those reported speeds with a grain of salt. As well all know, Manufacturers always bloat this specification. Why I have no idea. I wish they would give real world, correct speed reports, but its not a perfect world. Also, once you strap in a hunting arrow setup, all speeds drop under 300fps anyways. Almost always. Unless of course we are shooting straws😂
@@aldoraine9259 I would agree? They all do fib but for example the Mathews was 350 IBO and was under at 332FPS, Hoyt 340 IBO and hit 326 IBO but Bowtech was 350 IBO and was hitting 311-322 IBO on a 350 IBO which is not even in the ball park. This was way more than the usual bow company fudge.
New to the sport. You’re my go to guys for information and question I need answered. Excellent job.
what is your views on FOC, ,,? is there a " best " spot for optimum arrow flight ?
Is IBO tested with whisker biscuits?
I wish this guy was local to me he would be doing all of my bow tuning and sales.
It's hard to find someone who gives the equipment the attention needed to be perfect!
love watching your reviews, definitely in the market for a new bow if you had to pick one with no budget what would you go with as far as smooth and relatively fast?
Just watching the hot chick dancing between shots. thanks for the videos.
Keep up the great work enjoy your videos and knowledge with all things archery 🤘🏻
Awesome job, always looking forward to your next video!
Impressed that you keep cranking these reviews out, good reviews at that. 👍
What type of bow do you recommend for a person who is short in stature and is a archery bow person
Have you ever had a bow make IBO numbers on the speed?
Would love to see a side by side comparison video between this bow and the v3x 33
what bow had the less shock
Super good job! Thanks. Keep it up.
Still can't rid of my realmX. Basically the same bow with no deadlock and much faster especially at shorter dl than this one and the revoltX
I agree I wish they would have made this more for the average DL. With my shorter, 27.5 DL I think the sr350 checks more boxes for my draw length. Thanks for the video, spot on as usual.
You've got to be kidding me! There are hundreds of bow options for people with short draw lengths. In the rare event that a company makes a bow that accommodates archers with a longer than average draw, you complain that it doesn't work for people with T-Rex arms who already have an abundance of options available?
NEVER TRUST A D-LOOP !
Been waiting for this!
Would like to see the numbers and feel of the bow on 32 or 33 inches.
I tested speeds at 33" on my channel.
Great review
Can I talk you into building me a revolt x SS?
Sounds kinda loud , something loose
Wow! That was a let down. I’m headed to Lancaster archery tomorrow to shoot some bows. I was very excited about this bow till I watched this. Thanks for the great videos and honest reviews. Your the only one I have alerts set for. Thanks again!
Seems in similar league as the Mathews Atlas from last year and the new Hoyt Highline: all of them allow very long DL and BH in large (this Bowtech not so much) ATA platforms with speeds around 293 to 316 at #70 x 30" x 350 grains. It could seems to be "not much" but if you're shooting them at 32"+ DL with high poundage they will deliver plenty of KE to the arrows. Very solid choices for hybrid hunting/3D/target if you don't want to use multiple rigs.
Damnn, was really hoping this was faster with the performance setting cuz it still looked really smooth. Im no means a speed freak when it comes to my setup but my RX-1 now at 75 pounds and 29.5” draw is slinging my VAP SS pretty decent. Really need and want a new longer ATA and brace height bow tho. And better draw cycle. My Rx-1 is pretty damn harsh and out dated now
Okay I’m not the average guy around 32” draw length, my question is bow tech cam adjustment is that same or similar to elite set technology?
Similar but not quite the same, elite adjusts the limb pocket and the bowtech actually slides the cam side to side like if you would use shims or top hats.
Hate to say it but bowtech this year bows speed sucks.