I had a bit of laugh when it was revealed that the suspect was in Köpenick of all places. Here's something people from outside of Germany probably don't know: There is an old famous theater play from the time of the Prussian military state called "Der Hauptmann von Köpenick" (The Captain of Köpenick). It is about a man who went and bought a military uniform and then just started ordering people around as if he actually had rightful authority to do so. (I think it's based on a true story.) To this day, this is still a bit of meme about people just pretending they have a position of authority when they really don't.
it is a true Story - the Man was called Wilhelm Voigt (aged 57 at the time). in 1906 he got four grenadiers, one Sergeant and six further soldies to occupy the citiy hall, arrest some officials, confiscated 3500-4000 marks (sources are a bit hazy, but that would be around ~22.000-25.000€ today) - with a receipt, which he signed in the name of his former jail director - and made the soldiers take the officials to the Neue Wache in Berlin for interogation while he got away (at first) on a train. One of the great tidbits: The city hall did not have all that money on hand and actually got the difference at the postoffice. He only was found out because a former cellmate snitched on him. The Kaiser himself pardoned him on august 16th 1908 and Voigt got to capitalize on his fame, with a wix figure, a tour with a variety show and his own book. Honestly, the whole thing is one of the greatest heists of all time, if you ask me.
A week ago he called us on BER TWR freq and asked why we are not doing home office. We did not respond to him, informed ATC and filled a report. The next day a NOTAM was published with a warning of possible false instructions.
At least it was obvious that he was not ATC. Over time he could have become more dangerous though. I think it would be quite hard to triangulate a signal that is not constantly transmitting and that could come very briefly for just a few seconds at any time.
Yes, something like that would be very obvious, and anyone with half a brain would realize something's up. But if he said something like _"Speedbird 962, turn right 230, climb and maintain 6000",_ literally no one would have the slightest clue what's happening, especially if he had mastered the art (intonation, speed and rythm) of how an ATC controller sounds.
@@sarasandralina2175 if getting into aviation as a pilot is currently very hard or near impossible, you could start as a mechanic! it's a great job and one level below becomming a commercial pilot. i love my job!
Not frequent, but not uncommon. I was part of an investigation of a very similar nature here in Canada in the early 2000s. Unbelievably, this was a private pilot with a grudge about commercial aircraft noise over his house who decided to take things into his own hands. As you mention in the video, we too were many weeks locating the exact source for the same reasons. In the end it involved law enforcement from Federal and local police, Federal regulators and of course ATC and technical operations. Stupid doesn't begin to describe his actions.
Was the base station fixed? Briefly, could you explain the procedure you used for triangulating the source over such a long period of time? How frequent were his transmissions? I'm intensely curious.
There are many people fighting city-airports. They feel personally attacked by the planes living in the approach path of the airports. That's why there are, people using chinese lasers to blind pilots. For some reason people are too stupid to use earplugs (Ohropax in Germany) and engineers are to stupid to build quite take of aircrafts and cityplaners are to stupid to find land far outside the city for airports.
@@TremereTT So what? That's the price you pay for living next to a city airport. If they can't take it, move. Instead, they endanger the lives of everyone on the plane and everyone on the ground. I come back to my original statement.
I live in this area in Berlin and was wondering about the helicopter flights in the last weeks. It was at randomly times during the evening/night times.
@@kamilkarwat2706 It finally opened on October 31, 2020. Nine years late and many billion euros over budget, but it's open! Of course they are already losing money because of the cutbacks in air travel due to COVID.
There is a phrase "Throw The Book at Him!" which you could use to express how harshly he should be treated by the justice system .... 'I hope they throw the book at him!'
@@MentourPilot More like books, plural, because after the EASA gets done reaming him, it'll be a day at the park compared to what the local, state, federal, and international authorities do to him. Not only is the D.A. going to go after him for multiple counts of attempted murder due to all the lives he endangered, but the German authorities and even Interpol might go after him on charges of terrorism! It's like he forgot about 9/11 somewhere along the line! (Beeteedubs, give all our love to the puppers!)
Things like this make me despair in humanity, the majority just want to have a happy peaceful existence, but it only takes a few twisted individuals to destroy entire families. German wings pilot springs to mind
For all the comments hoping to see charges on attempted murder, I'd like to say that this is - sadly so - highly unlikely. Murder charges are handled restrictively and need specific traits to be qualified as murder in German criminal law. I am still a law student so my opinion on this might not be 100 % accurate as I am not a prosecutor. But I can assure you that we have specific laws that forbid people to interfere with air traffic. The one article I'm thinking about has a maximum sentencing of 10 years. I agree that this is highly dangerous and also reckless. 10 years therefore may sound like nothing, but I wanted to give everyone in the comment section a very brief legal view on this. I'll be looking into this case if it proceeds to trial.
@@Gayestskijumpever Germans are in trouble with their legal system. They believe that the small incidences are punished too hard and the big boys are let go freely. That leads to loss of trust in the legal system and an ever lingering feeling of "it's WAY too lenient". There's a German term "Kuscheljustiz" ("cuddling justice") which doesn't come out of blue air...
@@Gayestskijumpever Because it has a different reason for punishment. There are different theories as to why we punish people. It's just that Germany follows a different view than for example the US.
@@docmanni - a famous us senator once asked, "Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?" That senator was ted kennedy. And he should know...
Flight 059, you are free to release the chem-trails. Do not waste all your chemicals at once, you need to fly back and draw 2 circles to complete a cloud dick.
When I was in the army, we used some truck-mounted HF radios, which could interfere with airport radios, if we weren't careful with the frequencies we used. We had a 1000 Watt radio, which could transmit to compatible equipment all over the world. We were told that somebody from the same batalion had shut down Heathrow airport by transmitting on the wrong freq.
Any radio with enough transmit power on the same frequency will interfere with ATC. This is not really surprising when one understands radio. We actually use the effect to give you better wifi today through constructive interference with different phase signals to different antennas.
@@AllanFolm Just need more power then :D 1kw is plenty though. Seriously, we can do 2m band transatlantic from UK to US on about 50W PEP (with some luck). That is > 5242km. 700km on a lower frequency of 2.5m band should be relatively easy and for interference it is more about the power than anything else.
@@javiergilvidal1558 Oh, you just reminded my about seeing that in some documentary. They had radio vans going around a city to track resistance radio transmitters.
@@AcvaristulLenes you'd hire someone who willfully and recklessly endangered hundred of lifes for his own amusement ? No offense but are you maybe a but stupid
Others wrote almost everything I wanted to, so I just point out the almost broadcast quality of this video. You're getting better and better in it, Petter! Thank you very much!
I have a flashlight with a UV and a Laser mode. When I was barely in my 20's I had a friend point the laser at my face. He thought it was funny. I freaked out. "WTF dude? Do you not have any Idea that you could BLIND me!?" I wonder how many of these people who point lasers at aircraft have no idea how dangerous a laser can be.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” Fits. Perfectly. It reminds me those idiots that few years ago were throwing stones from the highway bridges here in Italy, "because they were bored and it was funny to see the reactions below". And they killed 9 persons (not the same group, and from 1983 onward).
@@Stettafire Plus, they are kids. It's for sure a problem, but this is what they sometimes do. Pure boredom. I think many don't even realize it's so dangerous. Same thing for lasers, that could be a kid of, say, 8, who found one in the house. They are way to cheap and easy to get. In both cases it's up to education, parents, maybe less UA-cam video's and social media (with which younger and younger kids try to r-enact others).
Petter, I don't think I've ever seen you this angry. For many, anger is just a rage of furious emotion; For others, it is a scalpel, purposed to excise a cancerous growth. I appreciate being a small part of your excellent CRM. Thanks!
I'm stunned that it happens so rarely. When I became interested in aviation I was surprised that all communication is transmitted in clear without any encoding and/or encryption. That's asking for a disaster(terrorists, bored teens etc).
Long time ago passenger could take almost everything with him and nobody would ask him what he is carrying...Today we have screening that makes getting into the plane hour longer. And now some idiots got their hands on radios. Encrypted radios are more expensive and less reliable. And big problem is general aviation - they will be need same equipment and such radios will be available to almost everyone. Higher price and need for registration may help but still more problems for ordinary people with no evil intend.
@@eryx5383 Scrablers are really poor quality and unreliable. I think radio communication first has to be digital. Only then encryption can be done in proper way. But that is a big deal to reach current communication simplicity, price, reliability and standartization worldwide. Will be hard to reach same with digital. Digital has some latency to start with.. In todays automation world it makes more sence to implement some standardized secure digital command authorization protocol integrated into dashboard or even autopilot and leave radio for chatter. Evolve not revolve.
@@eryx5383 Yeah but it was before Lockerby, D.B. Cooper, 9/11 and so on. Times are changing. And sadly we cannot base our operations on trust anymore - look how secured are internet transmissions. I love to listen to Kennedy Steve or some ATC chatter form a distant place on LiveATC but safety should be priority. @hb h It's difficult but it's doable. Some transition period, where two forms of communication are present, old radios for backup etc. I think cost wouldn't be so much a factor(Boeing lost more on 737 MAX case), as would be negotiations to work out common standards. Digital has some latency - agreed, but are these 10 miliseconds so important in a world where everybody repeats orders, and does everything with so much forward thinking? And don't forget digital would have much better quality which would mean less repetitions. Look for aforementioned Kennedy Steve or any other ATC transmissions on UA-cam - how many times they ask for repeating an order or simply make mistakes due to poor quality audio. And what about situations where transmissions are "stepped on" (two transmissions at once) which makes them unintelligible - happens a lot in a crowded airspace.
I have to agree with the replies on this one. Reliability is the biggest issue I see with encryption. How many points of failure would be added by all the additional hardware required? Regulations will take time to be updated and tweaked to the new standards worldwide, and companies will make equipment as cheap as possible, barely passing those immature regulations, or not even. It would take a concentrated worldwide effort to make the change with minimal casualties, one I'm not sure the world's bureaucracies are capable of.
@@hbh3144 here in Spain,since about 10 years,all professional ships must have registered digital radios who send all the ship data each time its transmit. sure it reduced the amount of transmissions in the emergency channel (16).a lot of times people used it,by error or unawareness because generally it is preprogramed in all devices to make it easy,even turning on on it by default,but... they are more expensive,but i dont think it is something even to notice in an airplane price tag,provided that they dont abuse on the fact that is mandatory and since the airplane is expensive on itself...
This is why emergency services in the USA were forced to convert to digitally encoded radio. This not only prevented the use of scanners for police equipment, but also prevented this type of situation from happening. Due to the logistics of accomplishing this task for aviation, may make this nigh impossible. It would solve the problem, but implementing it is what makes it impossible.
The Amateur Radio community have been dealing with people like that for a long time. I personally use a 4 antenna locator system that is perfect for usage on a mobile device as opposed to the directional version you mentioned.
Do they stil have those "fox hunt" competitions? Likely the "government" is to arrogant to ask the HAM guys for help or they would have pinned him down in hours.
@@cmulder002 correct. I'm trying to save up the money to move to Japan, but it's slow. That and my kanji is shit now, which make it hard to get a resident Visa for a noncitizen.
In germany it is strictly forbidden to receive air traffic. Even as a passive listener. Same rules apply to licensed ham radio ops. And, you sureley know that our famous german bureaucracy will make no exceptions to the rules. If we have to choose between lives and law-abiding, guess who wins?
Im also remeber it. But He wasnt try to make something very dangerous. Just test communication. Maybe some private person, or maybe funny airport worker testing his radio - we dont know.
As an licensed amature HAM radio operator, this is aggravating. We police our frequencies and we lnow the rules for operating radios and it is up to us to make sure we do not interfere with aviation amd emergency service frequencies, as it is dangerous and against the law, as well as rude to step in on frequencies that are in use.
Indeed. I think there are two solutions for something like this. First one is temporary and second is systemic. There are quite a lot of us ham operators, we would happily aid law enforcement with triangulation. We have the gear(not the radios, only antennas. We don't want to own gear that can transmit at aviation frequencies) and the know how. The second thing is that aviation really should start moving towards digital and encrypted. This would squash two bugs at the same time. It would secure the comms and digital is lower bandwidth too. 73, OH6CCH
Agreed, some fool buys a Baofeng wide-banded transceiver and causes mayhem on the air and next thing you know a news headline appears putting Radio HAM's in a bad light - In all of the recorded incidents of illegal transmissions on both Aviation and Marine frequencies recently none of them were licenced HAM's. 73 M0XXQ
@@TealJosh The aviation environment will not work with digital, much less encrypted. Like ham radio, the communications take place in a community setting. In the ham world, talking over somebody still produces an "oops" and an invitation to retransmit if it is heard. If not, the stepped-on one just waits for a lull and tries again. Aviation is a lot like that, but the chitchat is replaced by important messages. My ham days were brass-pounding and homebrewing; aviation crowded those out. When I looked for a job that paid more I started in an electric utility... communications and eventually IT. There I started with simplex FM and sometimes repeaters. Stepping on people was reduced by lower use. Those were replaced by trunking, same use considerations. However, we had interference problems along the Mexican border and from some taxi service. Turning on authentication changed the interference into denial of service. I can't see any of that fitting into aviation.
Shouldn't that be "Sierra Lima Whisky Delta" and "Contact Kenedy Tower on One One Niner point One"? Also, ATC shouldn't be announcing "This is ATC" or anything like that. And yes, I did look-up KJFK's tower frequency.
As a radio ham I can say that it is very difficult to triangulate the position of someone who doesn't want to be found. This is why the Police still haven't caught the drone pilot who shut down Gatwick Airport. We had at one time pirate TV stations broadcasting from vans being driven round our cities.
@@ml9849 I used to think like that. Years ago A guy killed someone and they put him in a mental health facility. After a few years they deemed him safe to have a day pass. Then one night he didn’t come back and killed four teens camping in a park.
"The berliner guy from the Köpenick district was arrested on the basis of incriminating evidence. He must now answer because of the urgent suspicion of multiple dangerous interference in rail, ship and air traffic. The penal code provides for this kind of actions imprisonment from six months to ten years. "
@@Samo762 nah, he will definitely get a hard sentence and go to jail immediately, especially because of how much publicity this case has got. They can't afford to go easy on him, an example needs to be made, otherwise even more idiots would be tempted to do the same.
@@HDJess "because of how much publicity this case has got" Did it? This is the first time I heard about it. And as far as I can tell the only time the media in Germany talked about it was when he got arrested.
Although this is the first case that I have heard of impersonating ATC, it happens all the time with police and even paramedics. Their are also several cases of people wandering around large hospitals dressed as and impersonating doctors. Fortunately, they just seem to be on some form of ego trip and I have never heard a case of them doing anyone harm.
@@wilsjane I can imagine how guys walking around a hospital dressed as nurses would be a problem. Heaven help the guy dressed up as a doctor who pinches that phony bologna nurse.
@@7heRedBaron That would certainly brighten up a dull day. 😊 I have never heard of a completely fake nurse walking around just for fun, but their have been a few who had fake qualifications working purely to make some money. Again, I have never heard of them causing harm to a patient. They either took junior positions where they would not be administering medication, or in a few cases they were totally competent but had simply not sat their exams.
Words fail to deliver the outrage I feel at this bullshittery. This is so serious I would say it needs to be prosecuted as an act of terrorism, and attempted murder of however many individuals were on the sky in the radius of that transmitter's range.
I fly in Berlin and I knew about this about this person already for a while (although I have never heard them on the radio myself). The Bundesnetzargentur (the FCC of Germany) did ground based triangulation regularly from exposed locations. From what I've heard on TV, they found the radios with the respect frequencies of Berlin ATC, when they arrested that man.
I actually live in the very neighbourhood were this man was arrested. One night , a few days before his arrest i noticed the position lights of a helicopter hovering over our area as if searching for something. This immidiately caught my interest as a helicopter flying at nighttime does not happen that often. We have a hospital here and sometimes rescue helicopters approach it after dark but i never saw a helicopter hovering in place for up to 20 minutes constantly making small adjustments to its height, and that in total darkness. The helicopter reappeared over a timespan of several days either in the early morning ours or the late evening doing the same procedure. Then one day before his arrest made news, the helicopter appeared very early in the morning flying circles extremely low over the area drawing much attention with its searchlight and noise.
"they found HAM radios in his appartment." Lets hope they will not put restrictions on HAM privileges after this incident. We want the perpetrator to be punished not the hobbiest
The thing is getting a radio license here in germany is really difficult and requires a lot of technical information, but buying radios is incredibly easy, anyone can go to amazon and buy a decent vhf radio without a license.
Did not hear anything from the ham radio people when model flying was regulated to be almost impossible... So yes shut down ham radio; surely some mobile phone companies love to have those frequencies.
Reputable manufacturers of amateur equipment block out frequencies to which amateurs are not licensed, but there has been an influx of really cheap handhelds that do not.
Why does the aviation industry not use digital, signed radio transmissions? Doing so would proof to flight crews that they are actually talking to ATC.
Aviation has a particular need: interruptibility. That is, if somebody is declaring an emergency or ATC needs to get the word out to somebody when there is already a conversation in progress he may need to talk over somebody and hope he can be heard. I believe that is why aircraft still use AM instead of FM, and digital would be even worse that way.
@@flagmichael Thanks for your point. That might be part of the explanation. In theory my idea should not create any issues with interruptibility, since I only meant signing, not encrypting the communication.
@Thomas Jefferson Because in my view it would solve such problems. The flight crew would be able to see that their communication partner is not an officially authorized air traffic controller.
Quite a story. Very dangerous. In Los Angeles there is some crackpot who occasionally buzzes around in a jetpack who has been sighted by incoming airliners. Hard to believe. Good luck to you - stay safe.
@@gatekeeper65 Often it is exactly that situation leading dumb people to "pay back" for not being employed. In my eyes such a person is nothing else than a coward, a looser, a person who is unable to admit his inability.
I grew up in a rough area in the UK. As a kid, those lasers were popular amongst child/teen gangs and I remember quite a few of them attempting to attack helicopters, police, ambulance, coast guard, etc. Eventually those lasers strong enough to damage people's eyes were disallowed from schools, and I think eventually you needed ID to buy them at all (like cigarettes etc) in an effort to clamp down on the problem. The people doing that kind of thing were right pieces of work
One can still buy a laser in the UK easy enough. And there are reasons to want to legitimately shine them into the sky too. For example telescope sighting system to get it pointed at the right place in the sky.
@@ethansaviation2672 I never suggested pointing it at a plane. Or do you think one can't see a plane in the night sky? Please read what I actually said.
In fact I might also point out artificial start laser for adaptive optice (Where fancy professional scopes can bend their mirrors to counter the atomosphere) and the retroreflector on the moon specifically there to bounce lasers off for certain research (like measuring the distance to the moon by seeing how long it takes before the observatory sees it with the telescope from when they turned it on). In astronomy we have several legitimate reasons to fire lasers into the sky. We are sensible when we do it, but laser != danger to plane just cause it is pointed into the sky.
Never transmit from a single location if you don't want to be detected but have several transmitters and switch between them quickly so triangulation to locate a transmitter is much more dificult.
It's easy to say "throw the book at him!" and condemn him, but how horrific it would be if terrorists did this in a group... We should rather notice how vulnerable the radio system without authentication is and seriously look for solutions.
It's also easy to say that, avionics have to be certified, that is time consuming and expensive, they would also have to be compatible across the world in different countries, that means every country would have to work together and comply. That is unlikely to happen. This person most very likely knew what he was doing was illegal and thought he wouldn't get caught, if he was also actually aware that this was a serious risk to life and property then the situation becomes a deliberate act of terrorism, not some numpty having a bit of fun thinking he wouldn't get caught. He was doing this for over 6 months, I expect he knew exactly what he was doing.
We already have solutions for this; the military have been using them for a long time. Unfortunately, in civilian use amongst a huge number of unrelated users and organizations, key management becomes a nightmare, causing far more problems than the authentication solves. If you know for certain you'll be facing plenty of attacks, and you're military anyway, losing a few aircraft because the authentication systems failed to authenticate someone they should have (say, because someone loaded the wrong keys into a device) is something you can live with. But in civilian use (and, again, amongst a vastly larger group managed by many unrelated organizations), you'd have a lot more incidents where radio contact was blocked by key management failures, yet far fewer motivated, well-resourced and competent attacks.
I am a light technician, usually in theaters, lots of open air concerts/festivals. Almost 22 yrs back we installed about 70 powerfull and narrow spots along an open town road for a pair of km, as told by our client the local town council. The evening before the happening, as we were checking our P.A. and light show (strobs, waves, some colour chasers) three police cars (carabinieri-sort of italian militia) came by, sirens and flashing light on and told us to turn off everything immediatly. Town council had not checked with the nearby airport. We were told that we (me and my workmates) could be charged of attempted massacre. We weren't charged, town major apologized with nearby airport and even with us. Ah, show was held: dimmed lights, none pointed towards the sky.
Am enjoying an evening rewatching your previous content Petter, and know you never disappoint! A cautionary tale, and an unacceptable breach of aviation safety by this individual. Reassuring however that you and your colleagues can help to identify when ATC communications are not genuine. Any interference to flight safety should, quite correctly result in severe penalties. Am glad this person was caught before any serious incidents resulted from their actions.
Your definition is if he's transmitting from his location. He can use repeaters or the internet and set up remote transmitters. These days someone really intelligent enough with this stuff probably would never be caught..
Using a portablr ham radio, especially if it had trunking capabilities, and access to frequencies, which in the US is public knowledge. Im not sure how that is in Germany, but access to frequencies on the internet, a computer to program the frequencies and repeaters and you can move around within the range of a repeater, tap different repeaters, and of you know what you're doing, you can talk to someone on the other side of the world. I know someone who was in Florida and was talking to a guy on a tiny island in the middle of the idian ocean.
Or just a car! If he changes locations all the time, they can't find him. What I don't get, is: how stupid can this guy be? There are tons of WWII films in which rogue transmitters are pinpointed by triangulation, and the technique wasn't new even then. For at least 90 years, static emitters could be easily found by triangulation techniques!
@Javier Gil Vidal: Even a mobile transmitter can be located via triangulation. And using a repeater, or even multiple repeaters is no guarantee of not being caught! Even here in the USA the radio equipment for VHF aircraft band is under pretty good regulation as to who (licensed pilots), can buy the radios. Of course those who are determined to have the equipment can always acquire it by theft, or by just building it.
I used to listen to a talk radio show that had an occasionally recurring call-in segment they called "Germany or Florida?" in which they would read some of the most bizarre news headlines they could find and invite listeners to guess whether it happened in Germany or Florida. Because - for whatever reason - both are known for producing absolutely daft news stories. This one would be a prime candidate.
As a VFR certified pilot in the US who has taken IFR lessons, I can't reiterate how absolutely dangerous something like this really is. As a student IFR pilot, I was even more dependent in many ways on ATC than a professionally certified ATP pilot would be. I also had a lot less experience in determining the "jargon" as that is of course one of the things that one learns. Certainly at Berlin international and other class B airports that would not be a big issue because there is generally no instruction. However, in class C airports such erroneous and criminal "ATC" type communications could be catastrophic for both general aviation and commercial plans as there are instructions at such airports. So, more likely to have people who are just learning the interaction between pilot and ATC. Fortunately, many instructors might pick up such bogus communications. But the situation is extremely dangerous. I can not imagine someone even attempting to do something like this. He has to receive the absolute maximum prison sentence allowed and then the maximum fine on top on that. Such sentencing must be an example. This is a form of terrorism even if this individual didn't intend that.
One of the many facets of ham radio is what is called ARDF, Amateur Radio Direction Finding, an amateur radio sport that combines the skills of orienteering and radio direction finding. Hams practice this and become very good at tracking down signals. The FCC in America uses hams from time to time to track down unauthorized signals and transmissions. Two that come to mind are: two brothers that stole a forest service transceiver and started calling for help, saying that they were lost in the forest. After a big search for the boys, the forest service called one of the amateur radio clubs to see if they could help. One ham set out and tracked them down in a house in a California neighborhood, miles from where the boys said they were. In another case, a continuous signal was being transmitted somewhere in Texas that the FCC asked hams to try to track down. It was finally found to be a stuck data transmitter on an off shore oil platform. The police might have caught this fake ATC quicker if they had tried a local ARDF group.
ooh this sounds like a good problem for a computer controlled gps drones with directional antennas. if they could fit it on them then a computer could quickly keep calculating the area and narrow it down as they get close and keep updating direction in real time. i hope this guy is kept out of circulation for a very long time.
I was an avionics tech in General Aviation from 1970 to 1984. The early ELTs were not particularly secure (as opposed to reliable: they were fond of working when they were not wanted) so we chased a _lot_ of ELT locations on the airport. The triangulation at VHF frequencies is complicated tremendously by buildings. Some are concrete and only distort the location moderately, some use enough metal to make reflections a nightmare. The people who tracked this guy down have my highest respect. The offender chose a bad city to make his mischief.
@CarstenGeckeler 10 years is not nearly enough for a crime of this magnitude. See yourself or a family member on an airliner that crashes because of this thug's action, and then ask yourself if 10 years imprisonment would be appropriate.
There is another technique called trilateration, the uses time delay between reception of the signal at different receivers to locate the transmitter within meters. With 4 receivers, and accurately synchronized clocks (i.e. rubidium atomic clocks synchronized using GPS), and fancy math, it is possible to immediately locate the transmitter. The technique is more complicated, and uses more sophisticated equipment, (and to deal with things like reflections), but it is possible. However, it is likely such (mobile) equipment is generally only used by the military, and might not be available quickly to police or ATC. In fact there are few WAM (wide-area multilateration) systems used for traffic control and surivilance in US and Europe, i.e. in Colorado, Alaska, Insbruck and Czech Republic, where it uses nothing more than just TACS or SSR signals from the aircraft, and is basically totally passive (doesn't require any extra exipement on aircraft), accurate, and works in multitude of topographies. In fact, it is so accurate, that it is often used to calibrate other instruments, like altimeter. Similar (stationary) systems do often exist around radio exclusion areas, to track infractions quickly.
Well, I’ve heard it all now. I was fully aware of the danger posed by laser pens, but trying to influence ATC is just as bad if not worse. Who on earth gets a thrill out of endangering lives like that. In the astronomy club we use laser pens to point out the star formations to the kids and we always reiterate that if there is an aircraft in the area not to use them. Thank you for sharing.
My thought at first as well. But it would take time to roll out such a system of communications worldwide, you would to some degree cut down on the range and you would possibly apply something that can cause issues with safety relevant communications. But I would wonder if no one has anything on the drawing board yet.
There are developments in this regard. Certain information does get relayed digitally , and "encrypted" depending on the type of instruction that has to be relayed, and the type of airspace that specific aircraft is operating in. Perfect example is CPDLC, it has been used for years now... The technology will improve in time and in par with the overall satellite infrastructure.
Digital communication already exists - CPDLC (Controller-Pilot data link communications). But open radio communication still exists and will exist for safety reasons so everybody around the airport is informed about the situation there. Disturbance on the air band is quite common and I think that no pilot blindly trusts the open radio communication and always checks if what he hears on the radio is in compliance with what he sees and can easily recognize false messages. But in aviation everything is crazy expensive and I think that this is the main issue here. The digital communication systems should be made available to any aircraft owner and by this the aviation industry should step into the 21st century. Even the poorest people can afford a smartphone in the 21st century so I think that there is no real reason why the digital aircraft systems are so expensive, except of the greed of their providers.
@@resortsman Good to know, so far I ever only heard about some kind of digital system for data and voice communication on the ground which should make the teethered intercom for the ramp agent or pushback wireless, but I have never seen anything like it. Still looks the same as 30 years ago. For anything else what I had seen looked more like the aircraft manufacturers data link for monitoring or some company internal sat communication.
@@resortsman The problem I see right off the bat is that every aircraft would have to have the digital equipment and likely some handheld units are required for other uses etc. This means just as easily as he got these handheld that transmitted on air frequencies, someone would easily be able to get one that has malicious intent.
They should have pranked him by calling in a fake drone strike attack on his adress and then watch him run out probably still in his underwear while the police just sit outside ready to catch him.
@Riku: How many innocent people would be paying the price for the foolhardy actions of the actual perpetrator in the event that a H.A.R.M. was so modified/equipped?
Perhaps a technological solution is warranted where electronic signatures from ATC could be sent and processed by aircraft radios as an authentication check. A warning could then be displayed by the aircraft if a transmission could not be authenticated as legitimate.
This is the first i have heard of this happening, it is very worrying that people have a mindset to do such a thing, As for 5 years imprisonment i think is in no way ever enough for deliberately risking potentially lives of even in the 1000 number if we include just one incident involving 2 aircraft and the people potentially on the ground also. Cheers for the great video as always.
Used to do ham radio "fox hunt", and my friend had an amazing device, the Datong ADF (Automatic Direction Finder) - it used an array of 4 antenna with a phasing controller and provided signal direction on a display - maybe not as precise as a manual triangulation fix, but instant and able to operate on the move
C'mon now, captain. This is 2021. Surely, a network of portable automatic radio direction finding systems with recording monitors could have been set up to record the direction of all transmissions received on that frequency 24/7 and quickly pinpointed the unauthorized stationary source. For whatever reason, they just didn't allocate the necessary resources to find this guy in a timely manner.
There have many fake ATC incidents over the years. The best advice I can give give to victims is 1. Always read back clearances and 2. If in doubt, say so and ask for a distance, DME or speed from the controller. Only the real controller will be able to supply this data. With regard to lasers, the worst place was MRS arriving for 14R. The buggers would wait for you on top of the hill. That was horrible. The “best” of these incidents was in MME. A lowlife zapped a colleague and the police helicopter immediately went to investigate. He too got zapped. Unfortunately for the miscreant the police helicopter pulled in ground units and was arrested. He was sentenced to nine months in prison.
@@MentourPilot I say 5 years for lasers as well. No one should mess with air traffic, commercial or otherwise. I can understand accidentally tagging an aircraft, particularly if you are trying to hit one of the reflectors left at the Apollo landing sites or have a laser sight and angle up to reload, but training a laser on an air craft or tower is inexcusable.
@@VincentGroenewold I'm not a lawyer but anyone with half a brain would have to know they are going to be perceived as having committed attempted murder.
@@devial9879 Both murder and manslaughter require intent in Germany (Mord and Totschlag). If you want to be correct and precise, only involuntary manslaughter does not require intent (fahrlässige Tötung). And that obviously doesn't work either because an attempt requires intent. If you want to kill someone and fail, that's an attempt. If you kill someone and didn't want to, that's involuntary manslaughter. If you didn't want to kill someone and it didn't happen, that's nothing. To make an attempt at a killing stick, they would have to prove that he wanted to steer planes into each other and actually kill people. There are enough other laws he violated, but he probably wont be charged or convicted with any killings.
Hopefully the media relaxes their coverage on this story. I believe they inspire copycats, as in the current issue with lasers. Without all the press, it probably wouldn't even be a common thing.
In Poland we use a radio-stop (system engaging brakes in all trains in specific radius), they show on video from arresting moment what device he own. That's make a new wave of copycat's.... When arrested another one they put a picture of another device (decoy without possibility to work as part of radio stop). First get a 4 years on probation 8. Second get 5 year jail time.
When I lived in London someone was targeting Flights inbound to Luton with obscene transmissions on the ATC frequencies, plus giving bogus instructions to the Aircraft. This did not last long as he was soon tracked down and apprehended.
I wouldn't have done something so reckless and stupid. I would have just sent one message of thanks and appreciation for all their hard work and never do it again. Some people are just natural born assholes.
@@shakiMiki Write to all the pilots or companies? Are you serious. It's easier just to radio all in the air for 10 seconds and have the pilots spread the message to everyone who wasn't on duty to hear it. Do you even understand how difficult it is being a pilot. Most don't have time to read fanmail. They just want to book off and relax.
@@Kit_Bear That's like expressing your gratitude to ambulance drivers by calling the emergency line. Operator would just want you to get the hell off the line.
3:19 I'd just like to point out that the officer on the extreme left, has a mask on - underneath his mask. dam that's hardcore. And to the kid who was transmitting : This is why we don't have nice things. bah
When I a Ham radio operator my old club used to have to have what we called "Rabit Hunts" to practice finding illegal operators. Good for the police and I hope they throw the book at him. Remember 911....so the people on the ground are in as much danger as the passagers.
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I had a bit of laugh when it was revealed that the suspect was in Köpenick of all places.
Here's something people from outside of Germany probably don't know: There is an old famous theater play from the time of the Prussian military state called "Der Hauptmann von Köpenick" (The Captain of Köpenick). It is about a man who went and bought a military uniform and then just started ordering people around as if he actually had rightful authority to do so. (I think it's based on a true story.) To this day, this is still a bit of meme about people just pretending they have a position of authority when they really don't.
it is a true Story - the Man was called Wilhelm Voigt (aged 57 at the time). in 1906 he got four grenadiers, one Sergeant and six further soldies to occupy the citiy hall, arrest some officials, confiscated 3500-4000 marks (sources are a bit hazy, but that would be around ~22.000-25.000€ today) - with a receipt, which he signed in the name of his former jail director - and made the soldiers take the officials to the Neue Wache in Berlin for interogation while he got away (at first) on a train. One of the great tidbits: The city hall did not have all that money on hand and actually got the difference at the postoffice.
He only was found out because a former cellmate snitched on him.
The Kaiser himself pardoned him on august 16th 1908 and Voigt got to capitalize on his fame, with a wix figure, a tour with a variety show and his own book.
Honestly, the whole thing is one of the greatest heists of all time, if you ask me.
@@Zwangsworkaholic Thank you for details
Wow!
Interesting story, cheers!
@@Zwangsworkaholic do you know why the Kaiser decided to pardon him?
wait you were a firefighter we need to hear more of that
I was an airport firefighter for a few years, yes.
@@MentourPilot please tell us some stories about that... It would be great to hear them!
@@AlessandroGenTLe a short series :)
@@georgegherghinescu I vote for it, too - at least some stories sprinkled in during quiet times.
I was trained to follow the smoke
A week ago he called us on BER TWR freq and asked why we are not doing home office. We did not respond to him, informed ATC and filled a report. The next day a NOTAM was published with a warning of possible false instructions.
At least it was obvious that he was not ATC. Over time he could have become more dangerous though. I think it would be quite hard to triangulate a signal that is not constantly transmitting and that could come very briefly for just a few seconds at any time.
Yes, something like that would be very obvious, and anyone with half a brain would realize something's up. But if he said something like _"Speedbird 962, turn right 230, climb and maintain 6000",_ literally no one would have the slightest clue what's happening, especially if he had mastered the art (intonation, speed and rythm) of how an ATC controller sounds.
I reeaally wanna be a pilot.Coooolest Jo
@@sarasandralina2175 if getting into aviation as a pilot is currently very hard or near impossible, you could start as a mechanic! it's a great job and one level below becomming a commercial pilot. i love my job!
@@sandwich5344 You are very fortunate to have such a great job❣️
Not frequent, but not uncommon. I was part of an investigation of a very similar nature here in Canada in the early 2000s. Unbelievably, this was a private pilot with a grudge about commercial aircraft noise over his house who decided to take things into his own hands. As you mention in the video, we too were many weeks locating the exact source for the same reasons. In the end it involved law enforcement from Federal and local police, Federal regulators and of course ATC and technical operations. Stupid doesn't begin to describe his actions.
Or his reasons. 😳
Was the base station fixed? Briefly, could you explain the procedure you used for triangulating the source over such a long period of time? How frequent were his transmissions? I'm intensely curious.
Throw the book at him, followed by the bookcase, and then the library, brick by brick.
Yes!
Just the library? Not the ETIRE CITY BLOCK?
There are many people fighting city-airports. They feel personally attacked by the planes living in the approach path of the airports. That's why there are, people using chinese lasers to blind pilots. For some reason people are too stupid to use earplugs (Ohropax in Germany) and engineers are to stupid to build quite take of aircrafts and cityplaners are to stupid to find land far outside the city for airports.
@@TremereTT So what? That's the price you pay for living next to a city airport. If they can't take it, move.
Instead, they endanger the lives of everyone on the plane and everyone on the ground. I come back to my original statement.
@@TremereTT How about being smart enough to not buy a house near an airport? Especially since the airports were usually there first.
I live in this area in Berlin and was wondering about the helicopter flights in the last weeks. It was at randomly times during the evening/night times.
And now you know! Hope you enjoyed the video
@@MentourPilot Absolutely :) Have a good day and stay healthy.
Imagine if he managed to give false instructions to copters searching for him.
Strange that they really searched by helicopter. You’d think that setting up antennas in three different places would be enough.
@@Mike-oz4cv Not really as signals bounce from walls in cities. Tha's the reason your GPS may be not so accurate in city streets as it is in the open.
Turns out it only was the official BER tower. No one expected it to open that soon.
I wonder how many here will get that reference! 😂
It must be a world-record for time building an airport. Or maybe not, there have been similar struggles e.g. in Japan.
Is that the brand new airport that never opened in Berlin?
@@kamilkarwat2706 It finally opened on October 31, 2020. Nine years late and many billion euros over budget, but it's open! Of course they are already losing money because of the cutbacks in air travel due to COVID.
Underrated comment
There is a phrase "Throw The Book at Him!" which you could use to express how harshly he should be treated by the justice system .... 'I hope they throw the book at him!'
Thank you.
Please tell me it is a thick book.
@@MentourPilot More like books, plural, because after the EASA gets done reaming him, it'll be a day at the park compared to what the local, state, federal, and international authorities do to him. Not only is the D.A. going to go after him for multiple counts of attempted murder due to all the lives he endangered, but the German authorities and even Interpol might go after him on charges of terrorism! It's like he forgot about 9/11 somewhere along the line! (Beeteedubs, give all our love to the puppers!)
Hardback, corner first!
@@riku3716 If yer talking literally, some of those books are VERY big. Depends on the exact section of the law being violated. ;)
Things like this make me despair in humanity, the majority just want to have a happy peaceful existence, but it only takes a few twisted individuals to destroy entire families. German wings pilot springs to mind
to them its a bit of fun to brag about to their 'friends'
It's horrific behaviour.
He should get life for this !
For all the comments hoping to see charges on attempted murder, I'd like to say that this is - sadly so - highly unlikely. Murder charges are handled restrictively and need specific traits to be qualified as murder in German criminal law.
I am still a law student so my opinion on this might not be 100 % accurate as I am not a prosecutor. But I can assure you that we have specific laws that forbid people to interfere with air traffic. The one article I'm thinking about has a maximum sentencing of 10 years.
I agree that this is highly dangerous and also reckless. 10 years therefore may sound like nothing, but I wanted to give everyone in the comment section a very brief legal view on this.
I'll be looking into this case if it proceeds to trial.
German sentencing seems very lenient to me. How do the average German people view the justice system?
@@Gayestskijumpever Germans are in trouble with their legal system. They believe that the small incidences are punished too hard and the big boys are let go freely. That leads to loss of trust in the legal system and an ever lingering feeling of "it's WAY too lenient". There's a German term "Kuscheljustiz" ("cuddling justice") which doesn't come out of blue air...
@@Gayestskijumpever Because it has a different reason for punishment. There are different theories as to why we punish people. It's just that Germany follows a different view than for example the US.
@@docmanni - a famous us senator once asked, "Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law? Or is there one system for the average citizen and another for the high and mighty?"
That senator was ted kennedy. And he should know...
@@Gayestskijumpever look in sweden. Murder-max 25 years
And the prisons here are better than the schools
"Hello Boeing 747, I'm ATC, please do a looping"
Flight 059, you are free to release the chem-trails.
Do not waste all your chemicals at once, you need to fly back and draw 2 circles to complete a cloud dick.
I am wondering that Pascal didnt made a video about this yet
U know they say in Dash8 u can't do a barrel...
When I was in the army, we used some truck-mounted HF radios, which could interfere with airport radios, if we weren't careful with the frequencies we used. We had a 1000 Watt radio, which could transmit to compatible equipment all over the world. We were told that somebody from the same batalion had shut down Heathrow airport by transmitting on the wrong freq.
Whoopsiedaisy.....aehm I just got a call....very important.....my mother in law has her dog to be walked....see ya.
Any radio with enough transmit power on the same frequency will interfere with ATC. This is not really surprising when one understands radio. We actually use the effect to give you better wifi today through constructive interference with different phase signals to different antennas.
@@EwanMarshall From more than 700 km away.
The bit is, the way we do that with multiple antennas, we can also do to do RDF off a single signal easily.
@@AllanFolm Just need more power then :D 1kw is plenty though. Seriously, we can do 2m band transatlantic from UK to US on about 50W PEP (with some luck). That is > 5242km. 700km on a lower frequency of 2.5m band should be relatively easy and for interference it is more about the power than anything else.
Unbelievable. Hope they throw the book at this guy. Good going German police investigators!
They did it eighty years ago, tracking down resistance elements all over Europe. How on hell did this guy expect to go unscathed?
@@javiergilvidal1558 Oh, you just reminded my about seeing that in some documentary. They had radio vans going around a city to track resistance radio transmitters.
A five years old is smart enough to understand, this is not a good fun.
I'd hire this guy at the ATC. His passion is strong enough to make him a good professional.
@@AcvaristulLenes you'd hire someone who willfully and recklessly endangered hundred of lifes for his own amusement ? No offense but are you maybe a but stupid
Others wrote almost everything I wanted to, so I just point out the almost broadcast quality of this video. You're getting better and better in it, Petter! Thank you very much!
I have a flashlight with a UV and a Laser mode. When I was barely in my 20's I had a friend point the laser at my face. He thought it was funny. I freaked out.
"WTF dude? Do you not have any Idea that you could BLIND me!?"
I wonder how many of these people who point lasers at aircraft have no idea how dangerous a laser can be.
I think the punishment should be green laser to their eyes when convicted, but I am.tired, grumpy and suddenly feeling old!
"Zessna Bravo Maik Fochstrott zis is Hans-Günter ju ahr klierd to lähnd ät ze Böhrlinn Ehrport Dießend Tu tausend fiet!"
"No I'm not."
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.” Fits. Perfectly.
It reminds me those idiots that few years ago were throwing stones from the highway bridges here in Italy, "because they were bored and it was funny to see the reactions below". And they killed 9 persons (not the same group, and from 1983 onward).
This is a big problem in my hometown also, some kids just aren't taught empathy.
@@Stettafire Plus, they are kids. It's for sure a problem, but this is what they sometimes do. Pure boredom. I think many don't even realize it's so dangerous. Same thing for lasers, that could be a kid of, say, 8, who found one in the house. They are way to cheap and easy to get. In both cases it's up to education, parents, maybe less UA-cam video's and social media (with which younger and younger kids try to r-enact others).
That's from Einstein. So true ...
the universe is finite
I thought the same thing. That happened in my state. In the US
WOW!!! never heard this could happen until I stepped into your channel. Thank you for keeping us so up to date!! How can some people be so cruel??
There is a simple solution: "What was the name of your first pet?" "What is your favourite movie?"
Click all the squares with fire hydrants in them.
@@andy_in_colorado7060 No, click all the squares with the pitot tube:p
Favorite pet : snake ( snakes on a plane)
His favorite movie : CON AIR
lol
How is that even a solution? Bots posing as fake ATC aren't the issue here lol
Petter, I don't think I've ever seen you this angry.
For many, anger is just a rage of furious emotion; For others, it is a scalpel, purposed to excise a cancerous growth.
I appreciate being a small part of your excellent CRM. Thanks!
"If we hear that someone is not using that phraseology, it it will raise an alarm."
Unless you're flying in the US 😂
Some of the most shocking ATC I've ever had the displeasure of having to endure.
"Freedom of speech, motherf%#&er!" -United States Air Traffic Control
This is nothing else than idiots throwing concrete blocks from bridges onto highways. The sick desire for the suffering of others.
It’s a good thing they got this menace off the air! I sure hope no copycats try this idiocy.
Most likely possible copycats are the reason why this was not on the german news.
I'm stunned that it happens so rarely. When I became interested in aviation I was surprised that all communication is transmitted in clear without any encoding and/or encryption. That's asking for a disaster(terrorists, bored teens etc).
Long time ago passenger could take almost everything with him and nobody would ask him what he is carrying...Today we have screening that makes getting into the plane hour longer. And now some idiots got their hands on radios. Encrypted radios are more expensive and less reliable. And big problem is general aviation - they will be need same equipment and such radios will be available to almost everyone. Higher price and need for registration may help but still more problems for ordinary people with no evil intend.
@@eryx5383 Scrablers are really poor quality and unreliable. I think radio communication first has to be digital. Only then encryption can be done in proper way. But that is a big deal to reach current communication simplicity, price, reliability and standartization worldwide. Will be hard to reach same with digital. Digital has some latency to start with.. In todays automation world it makes more sence to implement some standardized secure digital command authorization protocol integrated into dashboard or even autopilot and leave radio for chatter. Evolve not revolve.
@@eryx5383 Yeah but it was before Lockerby, D.B. Cooper, 9/11 and so on. Times are changing. And sadly we cannot base our operations on trust anymore - look how secured are internet transmissions. I love to listen to Kennedy Steve or some ATC chatter form a distant place on LiveATC but safety should be priority.
@hb h It's difficult but it's doable. Some transition period, where two forms of communication are present, old radios for backup etc. I think cost wouldn't be so much a factor(Boeing lost more on 737 MAX case), as would be negotiations to work out common standards. Digital has some latency - agreed, but are these 10 miliseconds so important in a world where everybody repeats orders, and does everything with so much forward thinking? And don't forget digital would have much better quality which would mean less repetitions. Look for aforementioned Kennedy Steve or any other ATC transmissions on UA-cam - how many times they ask for repeating an order or simply make mistakes due to poor quality audio. And what about situations where transmissions are "stepped on" (two transmissions at once) which makes them unintelligible - happens a lot in a crowded airspace.
I have to agree with the replies on this one. Reliability is the biggest issue I see with encryption. How many points of failure would be added by all the additional hardware required? Regulations will take time to be updated and tweaked to the new standards worldwide, and companies will make equipment as cheap as possible, barely passing those immature regulations, or not even. It would take a concentrated worldwide effort to make the change with minimal casualties, one I'm not sure the world's bureaucracies are capable of.
@@hbh3144 here in Spain,since about 10 years,all professional ships must have registered digital radios who send all the ship data each time its transmit.
sure it reduced the amount of transmissions in the emergency channel (16).a lot of times people used it,by error or unawareness because generally it is preprogramed in all devices to make it easy,even turning on on it by default,but...
they are more expensive,but i dont think it is something even to notice in an airplane price tag,provided that they dont abuse on the fact that is mandatory and since the airplane is expensive on itself...
He thought he could do irl atc after playing vatsim atc once
hahaahhaha true.... Well... this guy clearly had no idea what REAL ATC go though every day... a lot of stress.
I wonder why he didn't just play atc with vatsim
would have been a safer, legal way.
@@Fantaman900 Maybe because he'll be kicked off from vatsim way quicker than from RL for giving false instructions.
This is why emergency services in the USA were forced to convert to digitally encoded radio. This not only prevented the use of scanners for police equipment, but also prevented this type of situation from happening. Due to the logistics of accomplishing this task for aviation, may make this nigh impossible. It would solve the problem, but implementing it is what makes it impossible.
The Amateur Radio community have been dealing with people like that for a long time. I personally use a 4 antenna locator system that is perfect for usage on a mobile device as opposed to the directional version you mentioned.
Do they stil have those "fox hunt" competitions? Likely the "government" is to arrogant to ask the HAM guys for help or they would have pinned him down in hours.
Not sure about today, but my last hunt was about 3 years ago, before I had to sell off most of my equipment to pay medical bills.
@@HikaruKatayamma ah you are not in a socialist country where they take care of everyone...
@@cmulder002 correct. I'm trying to save up the money to move to Japan, but it's slow. That and my kanji is shit now, which make it hard to get a resident Visa for a noncitizen.
In germany it is strictly forbidden to receive air traffic. Even as a passive listener. Same rules apply to licensed ham radio ops. And, you sureley know that our famous german bureaucracy will make no exceptions to the rules. If we have to choose between lives and law-abiding, guess who wins?
Reminds me of that one time when a guy in Canada called ATC from his bath.
I just listened to this last night.
"Oh, so you're not in a plane, okay". 🤣
That one was annoying, but not that dangerous.
Lol
Im also remeber it. But He wasnt try to make something very dangerous. Just test communication. Maybe some private person, or maybe funny airport worker testing his radio - we dont know.
@@norbert.kiszka I think he was trying to ditch his very own little « aircraft » into the bath 🛀 😳
As an licensed amature HAM radio operator, this is aggravating. We police our frequencies and we lnow the rules for operating radios and it is up to us to make sure we do not interfere with aviation amd emergency service frequencies, as it is dangerous and against the law, as well as rude to step in on frequencies that are in use.
Yes, it’s an insult to everybody who uses the air-waves in a responsible way
@@MentourPilot yes sir it is!
Indeed. I think there are two solutions for something like this. First one is temporary and second is systemic. There are quite a lot of us ham operators, we would happily aid law enforcement with triangulation. We have the gear(not the radios, only antennas. We don't want to own gear that can transmit at aviation frequencies) and the know how. The second thing is that aviation really should start moving towards digital and encrypted. This would squash two bugs at the same time. It would secure the comms and digital is lower bandwidth too. 73, OH6CCH
Agreed, some fool buys a Baofeng wide-banded transceiver and causes mayhem on the air and next thing you know a news headline appears putting Radio HAM's in a bad light - In all of the recorded incidents of illegal transmissions on both Aviation and Marine frequencies recently none of them were licenced HAM's. 73 M0XXQ
@@TealJosh The aviation environment will not work with digital, much less encrypted. Like ham radio, the communications take place in a community setting. In the ham world, talking over somebody still produces an "oops" and an invitation to retransmit if it is heard. If not, the stepped-on one just waits for a lull and tries again. Aviation is a lot like that, but the chitchat is replaced by important messages.
My ham days were brass-pounding and homebrewing; aviation crowded those out. When I looked for a job that paid more I started in an electric utility... communications and eventually IT. There I started with simplex FM and sometimes repeaters. Stepping on people was reduced by lower use. Those were replaced by trunking, same use considerations. However, we had interference problems along the Mexican border and from some taxi service. Turning on authentication changed the interference into denial of service. I can't see any of that fitting into aviation.
In my 30 years in air traffic control , i know a few real controller that should have been arrested for impersonating a controller
what? so they do their job all day then go home and troll their colleagues?
@@KarlWerner NO they suck at the job
@@ogc90 okay hahahaha
😂🤣😂 nice one
Imagine him... “This is ATC, soccer lime Washington December, contact jfk tower on one seven fiver nine six.”
😂😂😂
Shouldn't that be "Sierra Lima Whisky Delta" and "Contact Kenedy Tower on One One Niner point One"? Also, ATC shouldn't be announcing "This is ATC" or anything like that. And yes, I did look-up KJFK's tower frequency.
@@TimothyChapman that was supposed to be the joke😅
@@TimothyChapman pretty interesting channel by the way . I’m currently waiting for gpus to go back on stock.
@Timothy Chapman r/woosh
As a radio ham I can say that it is very difficult to triangulate the position of someone who doesn't want to be found. This is why the Police still haven't caught the drone pilot who shut down Gatwick Airport. We had at one time pirate TV stations broadcasting from vans being driven round our cities.
Wtf that's insane. One of those cases where a massive prison sentence is warranted to dissuade any copycats. Hopefully
That’s what I think as well
@@MentourPilot I wouldn't mind hundreds of attempted murder charges against this guy.
Proper punishment is dropped from a plane with out a chute. This is a mass assault on all the people in that airspace.
I'd guess that mental health care would be the most appropriate course of action here.
@@ml9849 I used to think like that. Years ago A guy killed someone and they put him in a mental health facility. After a few years they deemed him safe to have a day pass. Then one night he didn’t come back and killed four teens camping in a park.
"The berliner guy from the Köpenick district was arrested on the basis of incriminating evidence. He must now answer because of the urgent suspicion of multiple dangerous interference in rail, ship and air traffic. The penal code provides for this kind of actions imprisonment from six months to ten years. "
No way he isn't getting a suspended sentence btw ;)
@@Samo762 nah, he will definitely get a hard sentence and go to jail immediately, especially because of how much publicity this case has got. They can't afford to go easy on him, an example needs to be made, otherwise even more idiots would be tempted to do the same.
@@HDJess I'm willing to bet 50 Euros he'll get a suspended sentence or a fine at most
@@HDJess btw he isn't even in jail now, they let go after the initial arrest ;)
@@HDJess "because of how much publicity this case has got"
Did it?
This is the first time I heard about it.
And as far as I can tell the only time the media in Germany talked about it was when he got arrested.
Our favorite aviation news anchor, Petter. 😃
This is terrifying that someone would do this. He could have killed hundreds of people.
Although this is the first case that I have heard of impersonating ATC, it happens all the time with police and even paramedics. Their are also several cases of people wandering around large hospitals dressed as and impersonating doctors.
Fortunately, they just seem to be on some form of ego trip and I have never heard a case of them doing anyone harm.
I would not be surprised at all to see him face terrorism charges. He certainly would be in the US.
@@wilsjane I can imagine how guys walking around a hospital dressed as nurses would be a problem. Heaven help the guy dressed up as a doctor who pinches that phony bologna nurse.
@@7heRedBaron That would certainly brighten up a dull day. 😊
I have never heard of a completely fake nurse walking around just for fun, but their have been a few who had fake qualifications working purely to make some money.
Again, I have never heard of them causing harm to a patient. They either took junior positions where they would not be administering medication, or in a few cases they were totally competent but had simply not sat their exams.
@@wilsjane This has happened before in London, back in the 80s the only issue was the guy doing it was from Birmingham so his accent stood out.
Words fail to deliver the outrage I feel at this bullshittery.
This is so serious I would say it needs to be prosecuted as an act of terrorism, and attempted murder of however many individuals were on the sky in the radius of that transmitter's range.
I tend to agree. That’s why I made this video
I fly in Berlin and I knew about this about this person already for a while (although I have never heard them on the radio myself). The Bundesnetzargentur (the FCC of Germany) did ground based triangulation regularly from exposed locations. From what I've heard on TV, they found the radios with the respect frequencies of Berlin ATC, when they arrested that man.
I actually live in the very neighbourhood were this man was arrested. One night , a few days before his arrest i noticed the position lights of a helicopter hovering over our area as if searching for something. This immidiately caught my interest as a helicopter flying at nighttime does not happen that often. We have a hospital here and sometimes rescue helicopters approach it after dark but i never saw a helicopter hovering in place for up to 20 minutes constantly making small adjustments to its height, and that in total darkness. The helicopter reappeared over a timespan of several days either in the early morning ours or the late evening doing the same procedure. Then one day before his arrest made news, the helicopter appeared very early in the morning flying circles extremely low over the area drawing much attention with its searchlight and noise.
"they found HAM radios in his appartment."
Lets hope they will not put restrictions on HAM privileges after this incident.
We want the perpetrator to be punished not the hobbiest
The thing is getting a radio license here in germany is really difficult and requires a lot of technical information, but buying radios is incredibly easy, anyone can go to amazon and buy a decent vhf radio without a license.
Did not hear anything from the ham radio people when model flying was regulated to be almost impossible... So yes shut down ham radio; surely some mobile phone companies love to have those frequencies.
@@cmulder002 im a HAM and I love flying quads and fixed wing aircrafts. All my hobbies are getting regulated it seems.
@@GerardMenvussa Essentially an upgrade then? (Am I the only one who saw what you did there?)
Reputable manufacturers of amateur equipment block out frequencies to which amateurs are not licensed, but there has been an influx of really cheap handhelds that do not.
Very dangerous for pilots. Just putting lives at risk.
Indeed
oh yes
@@MentourPilot Hope to see you back on the Mentour App chat soon. @emiratespilot999
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Why does the aviation industry not use digital, signed radio transmissions? Doing so would proof to flight crews that they are actually talking to ATC.
Aviation has a particular need: interruptibility. That is, if somebody is declaring an emergency or ATC needs to get the word out to somebody when there is already a conversation in progress he may need to talk over somebody and hope he can be heard. I believe that is why aircraft still use AM instead of FM, and digital would be even worse that way.
@@flagmichael Thanks for your point. That might be part of the explanation. In theory my idea should not create any issues with interruptibility, since I only meant signing, not encrypting the communication.
@Thomas Jefferson Because in my view it would solve such problems. The flight crew would be able to see that their communication partner is not an officially authorized air traffic controller.
Quite a story. Very dangerous. In Los Angeles there is some crackpot who occasionally buzzes around in a jetpack who has been sighted by incoming airliners. Hard to believe. Good luck to you - stay safe.
Dude should have just went and got a job as ATC instead of just pretending to be one.
Someone capable of handling the very demanding job as ATC are also smart enough to not do this kind of stupid stunt and get caught.
Maybe he applied and was deemed unqualified for the profession because of his serious lack of judgement or something like that.
You really want this piece of work as ATC? I don't think they are in the habit of hiring adults with the maturity levels of a toddler.
@@gatekeeper65
i was about to say that but you beat me to it.
@@gatekeeper65 Often it is exactly that situation leading dumb people to "pay back" for not being employed. In my eyes such a person is nothing else than a coward, a looser,
a person who is unable to admit his inability.
Me reading the title: That’s insane! 🤭
Finding out this happened in my city: Wait... what!? 😳
me too, actually working at BER, first time i hear about this story
I grew up in a rough area in the UK. As a kid, those lasers were popular amongst child/teen gangs and I remember quite a few of them attempting to attack helicopters, police, ambulance, coast guard, etc.
Eventually those lasers strong enough to damage people's eyes were disallowed from schools, and I think eventually you needed ID to buy them at all (like cigarettes etc) in an effort to clamp down on the problem. The people doing that kind of thing were right pieces of work
One can still buy a laser in the UK easy enough. And there are reasons to want to legitimately shine them into the sky too. For example telescope sighting system to get it pointed at the right place in the sky.
@@EwanMarshall Umm..........no not a good reason to risk hundreds of peoples lives.
@@ethansaviation2672 I never suggested pointing it at a plane. Or do you think one can't see a plane in the night sky? Please read what I actually said.
In fact I might also point out artificial start laser for adaptive optice (Where fancy professional scopes can bend their mirrors to counter the atomosphere) and the retroreflector on the moon specifically there to bounce lasers off for certain research (like measuring the distance to the moon by seeing how long it takes before the observatory sees it with the telescope from when they turned it on).
In astronomy we have several legitimate reasons to fire lasers into the sky. We are sensible when we do it, but laser != danger to plane just cause it is pointed into the sky.
Wow. Mentour. I didn't know you worked as a rescue team member. That is awesome
Never transmit from a single location if you don't want to be detected but have several transmitters and switch between them quickly so triangulation to locate a transmitter is much more dificult.
It's easy to say "throw the book at him!" and condemn him, but how horrific it would be if terrorists did this in a group...
We should rather notice how vulnerable the radio system without authentication is and seriously look for solutions.
It's also easy to say that, avionics have to be certified, that is time consuming and expensive, they would also have to be compatible across the world in different countries, that means every country would have to work together and comply. That is unlikely to happen. This person most very likely knew what he was doing was illegal and thought he wouldn't get caught, if he was also actually aware that this was a serious risk to life and property then the situation becomes a deliberate act of terrorism, not some numpty having a bit of fun thinking he wouldn't get caught. He was doing this for over 6 months, I expect he knew exactly what he was doing.
We already have solutions for this; the military have been using them for a long time. Unfortunately, in civilian use amongst a huge number of unrelated users and organizations, key management becomes a nightmare, causing far more problems than the authentication solves.
If you know for certain you'll be facing plenty of attacks, and you're military anyway, losing a few aircraft because the authentication systems failed to authenticate someone they should have (say, because someone loaded the wrong keys into a device) is something you can live with. But in civilian use (and, again, amongst a vastly larger group managed by many unrelated organizations), you'd have a lot more incidents where radio contact was blocked by key management failures, yet far fewer motivated, well-resourced and competent attacks.
I am a light technician, usually in theaters, lots of open air concerts/festivals. Almost 22 yrs back we installed about 70 powerfull and narrow spots along an open town road for a pair of km, as told by our client the local town council. The evening before the happening, as we were checking our P.A. and light show (strobs, waves, some colour chasers) three police cars (carabinieri-sort of italian militia) came by, sirens and flashing light on and told us to turn off everything immediatly. Town council had not checked with the nearby airport. We were told that we (me and my workmates) could be charged of attempted massacre. We weren't charged, town major apologized with nearby airport and even with us. Ah, show was held: dimmed lights, none pointed towards the sky.
Am enjoying an evening rewatching your previous content Petter, and know you never disappoint! A cautionary tale, and an unacceptable breach of aviation safety by this individual. Reassuring however that you and your colleagues can help to identify when ATC communications are not genuine. Any interference to flight safety should, quite correctly result in severe penalties. Am glad this person was caught before any serious incidents resulted from their actions.
Totally unacceptable and criminal.
Indeed! That’s why I elected to do a video about it. The news broke on Saturday but I thought it needed a bit more attention
@@MentourPilot thnx for informing the community.
@@MentourPilot Thank you very much!
If this guy gets convicted,
according to § 315
Gefährliche Eingriffe in den Bahn-, Schiffs- und Luftverkehr,
he might face up to 10 years in prison.
👍🏻
Er hätte mal lieber bei ivao oder vatsim bleiben sollen
SHOULD (IMO), be at least 3 times that!
@@K7DFA or even more
What the hell!!! Now this is stupidity at its worst
It's not careless or stupid, it's plain evil !
Maybe he just couldn't wait for Brandenburg Airport to open.
The most underappreciated joke in the comments.
Your definition is if he's transmitting from his location. He can use repeaters or the internet and set up remote transmitters. These days someone really intelligent enough with this stuff probably would never be caught..
Yes, but someone intelligent would hopefully deploy that intellect somewhere else.
The frightening scenario would be a nation state-sponsored actor doing this (and not having John McClane on hand to save the day!)
Using a portablr ham radio, especially if it had trunking capabilities, and access to frequencies, which in the US is public knowledge. Im not sure how that is in Germany, but access to frequencies on the internet, a computer to program the frequencies and repeaters and you can move around within the range of a repeater, tap different repeaters, and of you know what you're doing, you can talk to someone on the other side of the world. I know someone who was in Florida and was talking to a guy on a tiny island in the middle of the idian ocean.
Or just a car! If he changes locations all the time, they can't find him. What I don't get, is: how stupid can this guy be? There are tons of WWII films in which rogue transmitters are pinpointed by triangulation, and the technique wasn't new even then. For at least 90 years, static emitters could be easily found by triangulation techniques!
@Javier Gil Vidal:
Even a mobile transmitter can be located via triangulation. And using a repeater, or even multiple repeaters is no guarantee of not being caught!
Even here in the USA the radio equipment for VHF aircraft band is under pretty good regulation as to who (licensed pilots), can buy the radios.
Of course those who are determined to have the equipment can always acquire it by theft, or by just building it.
I used to listen to a talk radio show that had an occasionally recurring call-in segment they called "Germany or Florida?" in which they would read some of the most bizarre news headlines they could find and invite listeners to guess whether it happened in Germany or Florida. Because - for whatever reason - both are known for producing absolutely daft news stories. This one would be a prime candidate.
So many years spent into making aviation safer and this kind of shit still happens in 2021...
Unbelievable.
*When that flightradar24 pro membership finally pays off*
*Köpenick you say? Any German will know a very famous imposter who came from that area. Shoutout to all my Germans out there*
True. But „Der Hauptmann von Köpenick“ did not put anybody into danger.
@@auronoxe Indeed. He putted only the mayor into jail.
As a VFR certified pilot in the US who has taken IFR lessons, I can't reiterate how absolutely dangerous something like this really is. As a student IFR pilot, I was even more dependent in many ways on ATC than a professionally certified ATP pilot would be. I also had a lot less experience in determining the "jargon" as that is of course one of the things that one learns. Certainly at Berlin international and other class B airports that would not be a big issue because there is generally no instruction. However, in class C airports such erroneous and criminal "ATC" type communications could be catastrophic for both general aviation and commercial plans as there are instructions at such airports. So, more likely to have people who are just learning the interaction between pilot and ATC. Fortunately, many instructors might pick up such bogus communications. But the situation is extremely dangerous. I can not imagine someone even attempting to do something like this. He has to receive the absolute maximum prison sentence allowed and then the maximum fine on top on that. Such sentencing must be an example. This is a form of terrorism even if this individual didn't intend that.
One of the many facets of ham radio is what is called ARDF, Amateur Radio Direction Finding, an amateur radio sport that combines the skills of orienteering and radio direction finding. Hams practice this and become very good at tracking down signals. The FCC in America uses hams from time to time to track down unauthorized signals and transmissions. Two that come to mind are: two brothers that stole a forest service transceiver and started calling for help, saying that they were lost in the forest. After a big search for the boys, the forest service called one of the amateur radio clubs to see if they could help. One ham set out and tracked them down in a house in a California neighborhood, miles from where the boys said they were. In another case, a continuous signal was being transmitted somewhere in Texas that the FCC asked hams to try to track down. It was finally found to be a stuck data transmitter on an off shore oil platform.
The police might have caught this fake ATC quicker if they had tried a local ARDF group.
ooh this sounds like a good problem for a computer controlled gps drones with directional antennas. if they could fit it on them then a computer could quickly keep calculating the area and narrow it down as they get close and keep updating direction in real time. i hope this guy is kept out of circulation for a very long time.
A charge of nothing less than "attempted murder" should apply to those intentionally interfering with safety procedures.
No worries, even just passively listening to ATC can get one into prison for up to 2 years in Germany.
I was just thinking the same thing.
@@TheNordicVoyager that's absurd.
@@roflchopter11 But true
@@TheNordicVoyager really?
As a one-time instrument technician on F-106s, I LOVE your T shirt.
I was an avionics tech in General Aviation from 1970 to 1984. The early ELTs were not particularly secure (as opposed to reliable: they were fond of working when they were not wanted) so we chased a _lot_ of ELT locations on the airport. The triangulation at VHF frequencies is complicated tremendously by buildings. Some are concrete and only distort the location moderately, some use enough metal to make reflections a nightmare. The people who tracked this guy down have my highest respect. The offender chose a bad city to make his mischief.
In Germany this offense is punishable with up to 10 years imprisonment (StGB §315)
@CarstenGeckeler
10 years is not nearly enough for a crime of this magnitude. See yourself or a family member on an airliner that crashes because of this thug's action, and then ask yourself if 10 years imprisonment would be appropriate.
I have that shirt, I get compliments on it all the time. Especially during a year like we’ve been having the past 11 months.
There is another technique called trilateration, the uses time delay between reception of the signal at different receivers to locate the transmitter within meters. With 4 receivers, and accurately synchronized clocks (i.e. rubidium atomic clocks synchronized using GPS), and fancy math, it is possible to immediately locate the transmitter. The technique is more complicated, and uses more sophisticated equipment, (and to deal with things like reflections), but it is possible. However, it is likely such (mobile) equipment is generally only used by the military, and might not be available quickly to police or ATC. In fact there are few WAM (wide-area multilateration) systems used for traffic control and surivilance in US and Europe, i.e. in Colorado, Alaska, Insbruck and Czech Republic, where it uses nothing more than just TACS or SSR signals from the aircraft, and is basically totally passive (doesn't require any extra exipement on aircraft), accurate, and works in multitude of topographies. In fact, it is so accurate, that it is often used to calibrate other instruments, like altimeter. Similar (stationary) systems do often exist around radio exclusion areas, to track infractions quickly.
Well, I’ve heard it all now. I was fully aware of the danger posed by laser pens, but trying to influence ATC is just as bad if not worse. Who on earth gets a thrill out of endangering lives like that. In the astronomy club we use laser pens to point out the star formations to the kids and we always reiterate that if there is an aircraft in the area not to use them. Thank you for sharing.
Looks like aviation industry have to step to the 21st century. Digital communication with encryption or at least certified signature.
My thought at first as well. But it would take time to roll out such a system of communications worldwide, you would to some degree cut down on the range and you would possibly apply something that can cause issues with safety relevant communications.
But I would wonder if no one has anything on the drawing board yet.
There are developments in this regard. Certain information does get relayed digitally , and "encrypted" depending on the type of instruction that has to be relayed, and the type of airspace that specific aircraft is operating in. Perfect example is CPDLC, it has been used for years now... The technology will improve in time and in par with the overall satellite infrastructure.
Digital communication already exists - CPDLC (Controller-Pilot data link communications). But open radio communication still exists and will exist for safety reasons so everybody around the airport is informed about the situation there. Disturbance on the air band is quite common and I think that no pilot blindly trusts the open radio communication and always checks if what he hears on the radio is in compliance with what he sees and can easily recognize false messages. But in aviation everything is crazy expensive and I think that this is the main issue here. The digital communication systems should be made available to any aircraft owner and by this the aviation industry should step into the 21st century. Even the poorest people can afford a smartphone in the 21st century so I think that there is no real reason why the digital aircraft systems are so expensive, except of the greed of their providers.
@@resortsman Good to know, so far I ever only heard about some kind of digital system for data and voice communication on the ground which should make the teethered intercom for the ramp agent or pushback wireless, but I have never seen anything like it. Still looks the same as 30 years ago.
For anything else what I had seen looked more like the aircraft manufacturers data link for monitoring or some company internal sat communication.
@@resortsman The problem I see right off the bat is that every aircraft would have to have the digital equipment and likely some handheld units are required for other uses etc. This means just as easily as he got these handheld that transmitted on air frequencies, someone would easily be able to get one that has malicious intent.
They should have pranked him by calling in a fake drone strike attack on his adress and then watch him run out probably still in his underwear while the police just sit outside ready to catch him.
Hahaha!
There are anti radiation missiles that home in on radars. I wonder if one could be made sensitive enough to track a hand held radio.
@Riku:
How many innocent people would be paying the price for the foolhardy actions of the actual perpetrator in the event that a H.A.R.M. was so modified/equipped?
@@K7DFA Revenge fantasies are fun nonetheless.
Some people are just so evil. 😢
It is just ridiculous that there is no authorization and/or encryption used during communication of the things which could be life-and-death...
Well if he had caused an accident that should be classed as manslaughter.
Manslaughter's accidental & if he had caused fatalities, the DA would have gone for murder 1 as this was malicious intent.
This is a murder attempt
@@blake9908 Should be convicted as such. Also I think attempted crime should be convicted the same as if the crime succeeded.
More like terrorism
@@KnedlikMCPE I forgot about that one!
Perhaps a technological solution is warranted where electronic signatures from ATC could be sent and processed by aircraft radios as an authentication check. A warning could then be displayed by the aircraft if a transmission could not be authenticated as legitimate.
@jtg42n42q iuq3irqn I think obsculor has left the room. It sounds like I wasn't missing anything.
This is the first i have heard of this happening, it is very worrying that people have a mindset to do such a thing, As for 5 years imprisonment i think is in no way ever enough for deliberately risking potentially lives of even in the 1000 number if we include just one incident involving 2 aircraft and the people potentially on the ground also. Cheers for the great video as always.
Used to do ham radio "fox hunt", and my friend had an amazing device, the Datong ADF (Automatic Direction Finder) - it used an array of 4 antenna with a phasing controller and provided signal direction on a display - maybe not as precise as a manual triangulation fix, but instant and able to operate on the move
The pose you went into when you said "Hi everybody" at the beginning was great. did you practice it?
Nop
He needs 10 years in prison for endangering so many lives.
C'mon now, captain. This is 2021. Surely, a network of portable automatic radio direction finding systems with recording monitors could have been set up to record the direction of all transmissions received on that frequency 24/7 and quickly pinpointed the unauthorized stationary source. For whatever reason, they just didn't allocate the necessary resources to find this guy in a timely manner.
There have many fake ATC incidents over the years. The best advice I can give give to victims is 1. Always read back clearances and 2. If in doubt, say so and ask for a distance, DME or speed from the controller. Only the real controller will be able to supply this data. With regard to lasers, the worst place was MRS arriving for 14R. The buggers would wait for you on top of the hill. That was horrible. The “best” of these incidents was in MME. A lowlife zapped a colleague and the police helicopter immediately went to investigate. He too got zapped. Unfortunately for the miscreant the police helicopter pulled in ground units and was arrested. He was sentenced to nine months in prison.
5 year max? It should be 5 years minimum.
Yeah, but that was for laser pointers. One of the other comments below indicated a potential 10 year prison term in Germany.
@@MentourPilot I say 5 years for lasers as well. No one should mess with air traffic, commercial or otherwise. I can understand accidentally tagging an aircraft, particularly if you are trying to hit one of the reflectors left at the Apollo landing sites or have a laser sight and angle up to reload, but training a laser on an air craft or tower is inexcusable.
5 years hardly seems appropriate for hundreds or thousands of cases of attempted murder.
More like millions of cases of attempted murder...
That won't fly in a court, you'd have to prove that was his intention and that's super tricky.
@@VincentGroenewold I'm not a lawyer but anyone with half a brain would have to know they are going to be perceived as having committed attempted murder.
@@devial9879
Both murder and manslaughter require intent in Germany (Mord and Totschlag). If you want to be correct and precise, only involuntary manslaughter does not require intent (fahrlässige Tötung).
And that obviously doesn't work either because an attempt requires intent. If you want to kill someone and fail, that's an attempt. If you kill someone and didn't want to, that's involuntary manslaughter. If you didn't want to kill someone and it didn't happen, that's nothing.
To make an attempt at a killing stick, they would have to prove that he wanted to steer planes into each other and actually kill people. There are enough other laws he violated, but he probably wont be charged or convicted with any killings.
Well, I'm not a lawyer and can't speak to how that works. I'm just using common sense.
This is truly terrifying.
I’m surprised this doesn’t happen more often, some crazy could do this from a vehicle and never be caught.
I remember hearing something like this was happening in some Mexican airport and they shut the whole airport down.
It happened in buenos aires ...similar case. In AEP
Hopefully the media relaxes their coverage on this story. I believe they inspire copycats, as in the current issue with lasers.
Without all the press, it probably wouldn't even be a common thing.
In Poland we use a radio-stop (system engaging brakes in all trains in specific radius), they show on video from arresting moment what device he own. That's make a new wave of copycat's....
When arrested another one they put a picture of another device (decoy without possibility to work as part of radio stop).
First get a 4 years on probation 8.
Second get 5 year jail time.
The media is good for nothing but heartache
When I lived in London someone was targeting Flights inbound to Luton with obscene transmissions on the ATC frequencies, plus giving bogus instructions to the Aircraft. This did not last long as he was soon tracked down and apprehended.
Wow! That's way crazy! Lol. Our ATC clown needs a serious timeout. I hope they check him good.
🤯 Whoa!
Indeed
I wouldn't have done something so reckless and stupid. I would have just sent one message of thanks and appreciation for all their hard work and never do it again.
Some people are just natural born assholes.
If you want to do that write to them. What a weird response.
@@shakiMiki Write to all the pilots or companies? Are you serious.
It's easier just to radio all in the air for 10 seconds and have the pilots spread the message to everyone who wasn't on duty to hear it. Do you even understand how difficult it is being a pilot. Most don't have time to read fanmail. They just want to book off and relax.
@@Kit_Bear yes but they won't be grateful
@@fredbloggs8369 Actually, I think they would.
@@Kit_Bear That's like expressing your gratitude to ambulance drivers by calling the emergency line. Operator would just want you to get the hell off the line.
Not many people remember a 90s tv series about Berlin Helicopter Police Ops... what a great memory of my childhood )))
Always a pleasure to watch your videos after coming home from the dojo
3:19 I'd just like to point out that the officer on the extreme left, has a mask on - underneath his mask. dam that's hardcore.
And to the kid who was transmitting : This is why we don't have nice things. bah
When I a Ham radio operator my old club used to have to have what we called "Rabit Hunts" to practice finding illegal operators.
Good for the police and I hope they throw the book at him. Remember 911....so the people on the ground are in as much danger as the passagers.
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This kind of crime [Purposely putting people in Danger] actually needs to be punished with the penalty of Life in Prison.
and another "karen" who think its god......