Man thanks for checking out the video AND commenting! Warm Audio gets a bad wrap for their methods but I seriously don’t understand how solid results aren’t achieved with their products. Nothing is perfect but what they offer is good. And I’ve had good experiences with their customer service
47 sounded better to my ears -- smoother top end but still plenty bright and nice round bottom end. Awesome singing and video. Your channel is gonna blow up with content like this :)
Much appreciated!!!! I would definitely agree with the like-ability of the wa47 top end. It’s not overly harsh at all. I own that this is just an opinion, but I dig it. I recently swapped out the stock tube in the wa47. I’ve read a few suggestions on modding/improving the wa251. Thanks for watching the video, contributing, and the kind words.
Thanks for the comparison. I am going to buy two WA251's in a few months primarily for drum overheads. I use an AKG "the Tube" mic for vocals the past 20 years and love it. But the WA251 on vocal is crystal clear, so life is good. Joe Logsdon & Company, UA-cam.
yes man the 251s on OH are the best sounding OHs ive ever heard, definitely the main reason Im considering one as my vocal upgrade, and for now my figure 8 in a mid/side until I get a 2nd one for OHs.
@@DruNature I think it is an excellent choice for vocals, but I have an original AKG "The Tube" mic I use on all vocals and it has been perfect on everyone who ever recorded in my studio. Male or female, rock or country and even Rap. Since my new studio is much livelier and bigger than my first studio, I will also use the AKG as a room mic for drum tracks. Mono only. Joe Logsdon & Company, UA-cam.
Good call. I also have used “The Tube” for years and now have three WA 251’s. They are killer for overheads, vocals and some other things. The Tube still rocks for fat warmth on many things.
Whenever we do the things we do in music. It's best to pick the best microphone we have on hand, for the source. In this case the 251 compliments your vocals. Nice job. Thank you for sharing.
Wow, man. First off, props on that being an original song if I read that right. It’s really good and your voice is legit and compliments it well. Also, really high video and sound production. Was really surprised with it. Regarding the mics, I was feeling the WA47 most before the band came in, but as soon as it did the WA251 just popped out of the mix more and felt more vibrant. Great music and demo. +subscribed
Yoo!!! Thanks for the kind words, sub and checking out this video. This is one of my original tunes. I actually wrote it when I was like 15 or 16 haha. But I’ve re-arranged it a couple times. The mics: that’s a legit observation! I’m a proponent of making decisions based on mic characters. I would totally use the WA251 for the record or in this application. That top end presence helps the lead Vox poke out naturally. But I’d use the WA47 if it were just me and a keyboard performing the same song. Thanks for commenting! Seriously!!!
@@CarlMooreMusic Thanks for the generous reply. I have a home studio and record covers of favorite songs just as a hobby I started a couple years ago (primarily guitar, vocals nowhere near yours but that doesnt stop me lol). Ive learned a ton on the production and mixing side and it really helps me to recognize and appreciate what goes into it. Really is a killer song man and slick, jazzy groove with the.bass and drums. One small thought that crossed my mind, was maybe adding baby to the song title like you sing it - "Baby, You Should Let Me." Just a humble 2 cents. Thnx again for the reply.
@@SidFi20 Awesome! Are your covers posted anywhere for others to listen? I’m always down to listen to music! Ha thanks for the compliment and the title suggestions! I may have to use that!
@@CarlMooreMusic I mostly just mix them down and save them to google drive snd share links with family and friends. I would like to progress into cover videos and potential mixing videos eventually, but since its just a hobby for me im happy to take my time. Id be honored and happy to send you a link to one to check it out for fun. Can you direct message me on here and I'll send you one. Still developing but would be happy to share tips etc if it would be helpful.
Both are fine. The extra highs on the 251 will probably have the advantage of cutting through in a song. Or maybe in an up beat dance song. The 47 will probably fit more in mellow songs. The 47 is more beautiful sounding by a small margin but they’re both great.
Thank you for posting unprocessed vocals. Your voice sounded practiced and professional with both mics. I think the 47 sounded muddy and boomy compared to the 251. The 251 sounded slightly bright but much more etched. This was especially obvious with the instruments in the second comparison. The 251 gave your voice a clear stage presence. Where the 47 sounded richer but also you faded into the background. Again both sounded good but I think I liked the 251 better. I suspect musicians will like the sound of the 47 better but I'm an audiophile and listening for different things than a musician does. I place a high value on a etched, clean and accurate sound. I've listened to AB comparisons between the U47 and the WA47 and they sound different when side by side. If you can afford a U47 it's totally worth it. But if you don't have the cash I think the WA is a very good value at 10% of the cost.
Thanks for commenting on the video and checking out the channel! I think it boils down to what’s desired tonally and works better with the source material but either mic can get the job done
Both sounded great, the 47 seemed to blend into the mix with some upper smoothness a bit while the 251 stayed more up front with air and highs. Neither better or worse, just a case of which sound you're going for. For my tastes, I prefer smoother highs so I'd lean towards the 47.
Thanks for checking out the channel and commenting on the video! Your description is my exact sentiments. I think both mics are totally usable and with front end processing, I believe one would get closer to end result goals
I was thinking to buy the Lauten FC 357 or the TLM 103, but watching this I felt in love with the wa251 wow just beautiful. 👏 good bless you for this video. the type of music I made is trap,reggaeton,r&b etc... hope its work im upgrading from the Rode NT1 my first mic since 2 years ago.
@@CarlMooreMusic well i end up with the Fc-357 really god mic but don’t fit my need so i sell The lauten and pick-up the tlm 103 To be honest the best of both worlds and a workhorse Im going to start know with a small 500 serie preamp and compressor for tracking
Ooh btw In the case of the 357 i love more how the rode work with male vocals for some reason, So in that point i start to think that mic and prices doesn’t really matter, Its all about a type of color your looking for
Thanks for making this ... music talks more than mics, but the gear matters in translating feelings .. 251 has the best fit for me as well. 47 has a hyper mid boost range may be for another type of vocal. Cheers
Much appreciation for checking out my video! Can’t build a house with nails, and I often times view the gear used to create music similar to nails. Understand which mic works best for the source material is crucial! Thanks for commenting and stopping by!
Wow, exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for doing this comparison, pretty much what I was expecting but fantastic to hear both one after the other. Unfortunately, now I want both of these mics, LOL
Much appreciation for checking out the video and commenting. I too enjoy both mics! They’re on different ends of the spectrum but i like the tonality they offer and I get solid results from them. I’m the worst when it comes to gear because I say “get them” if you need them lol Thanks for watching, commenting, and happy recording!
Much appreciation for checking out the video and commenting! The combo of top and sparkle and the warmth of the tubes give it the sound you’re hearing. They get flack but warm audio makes solid mics
Yoo! Thank you for checking out the video and the compliments! I honestly do dig both these mics. They met a specific need I had, and I haven’t been disappointed since!
I hear the exact opposite! Are you sure about that? The 47 is much more present with a wide and very usable rise in the 3-8kHz area, the 251 is warm to dark by comparison.
Much much appreciation for the kind words but ultimately you checking out the video and giving it a change. I don't really see many video's like this in this genre so I was just trying full a void while staying in my lane.
had i known how big of a difference a tube mic made i wouldve gotten one years ago. So easy to get the vox to sit in a buy mix, the tube does a small amount of compression going in. WAYYY less processing need. HardER to sound bad. All the time I wasted tweaking and enthusiasm running out
Really great video and voice, Agree with your comments about using the mic in different applications, so recoding for the song with the 251 and the 47 for an acoustic session. The warmness of the 47 is so nice but I new straight away that the 251 would cut through better naturally as that's the characteristic of the 251 and similar mics. overall great video man, I'm trying to decide to get a WA-251 or GA-251 MKII which recently got released by Golden Age. Would be great to hear a shootout of those mics if you can persuade them to give you a loan. Not many mic shootouts with your flavour of vocals if I'm honest. Thumbs up and a sub from me!
Yoo!!! I totally appreciate the sub, you checking out the video and your comments! You’re right and I’m with you about application of the mics and their characteristics. I’ve seen quite a few folks bashing warm audio but I like the stuff I own from them. The WA47 is girthy to me and at the time I purchased it, I didn’t have a mic similar to that tonal character. I’m a MAJOR fan of 251’s! I think warm did a stellar job on theirs but I would LOVE to own one of Golden Age’s. Haha. I’d rather just buy it to own it instead of borrowing 😂. But for the exact reason you mentioned, I started putting together short review clips of mics. I kind of got tired hearing the same style of sources to give me an idea of a mic. Just wanted to meet a need of another genre in the music community! Thanks again! More content is coming!
So many have varying opinions, but I like what I get out of both Warm Audio mics. I incorporate outboard gear on the front end when I record, so these videos aren’t totally accurate to what I’d do for final takes but they definitely reveal desirable qualities sonically…. At least in my opinion. Much appreciation for you checking out the video and commenting
Definitely appreciate the kind words and you checking out the video! Warm Audio gets a lot of flack for how they market their products and the products themselves, but I’ve been able to get solid results when using them. I don’t expect them to be alternatives to what they clone. I think they’re in the family, distant cousins even but that’s not why I create with their tools. My subjective stance only. So many will argue with it, but my following/base likes my content and I use Warm Audio along with other companies to make my work.
Thanks for the comparison video. I’m leaning towards the 251. Some nice clarity there. Btw, the bass playing on your track was great! Did you play that yourself?
Yoo!!! Thanks for checking out the video and commenting! I definitely dig the 251 period! The bass was performed by a good friend of mine. I played keyboards on this tune, arranged and wrote it.
Thank you much for checking out my video and commenting! I definitely like both and I have a good idea where I prefer those characteristics over the other! Still they’re both solid and can produce workable results! Thank you again!
Thank you for the comparison. I like the more forward low mids of the 251, myself. But I would love to hear what you think. You're the one hearing this stuff without the UA-cam compression algorithm coloring the sound.
People tend to like higher frequencies more but in some ways, it’s kind of over rated. The 47 has a slightly nicer more relaxed feel and maybe a little more natural. The 251 is really good too. I feel that even a U87 or Warm Audio 87 would also be fine too. Most people wouldn’t really notice which mic though after it’s been mixed.
Totally appreciate the sub, and checking out the video!!! There is a minor difference but I think they’re both solid tools! Again, I totally appreciate the love!
Thanks so much for this. I didn’t remember the 251 to be so dark as I don’t own one, but that U47 sound is so familiar- pure magic. Mine is a 1951, but I’ve used others’ mics and they are amazingly consistent.
Thanks for commenting! I’ve got another video on UA-cam in a studio where the primary mic was Neumann u47 (not sure the year). But after the session was over, I had to comp in a section of the 2nd verse because I forgot to add a portion of the BGVs. I was surprised at how close the Warm take on a u47 was to a vintage version. For some, they’ll throw the WA47 in the trash, but to my experience, I could definitely tell Warm got their mic in the u47 family. Again, I appreciate your time for the interaction!
Yooo thanks for watching the video and commenting! Humbled that you appreciate the content! Warm Audio gets a fair amount of hate from other folks in the audio community but I legitimately enjoy the products they have! I keep the correct mindset when I use them and I get my work done! Again appreciate you for checking out my content!
Thanks for the sub! My apologies for the late response, but its definitely helpful when people hit that subscribe button. It's appreciated when they comment and interact with you!
@@CarlMooreMusic you’re welcome!! I have a page as well if you’d like to follow! I just bought an ADK Cremona 251 and am really enjoying it on my vocals! Your video helped a lot, thanks!
The main thing 251 is placed upright and the other one is straight so if any condenser mic is placed in upright position it will sound more treble keep both side by side or both upright position
I’ve never personally experienced a more pronounced top end with a mic being placed upside down. Historically, I believe, tube mics were placed upside down to keep the heat away from the capsule. But I don’t think with modern tube builds, that’s as much of an issue. However, I’ve never had the problem you mentioned. If your suggestion works for you, hopefully that’s a plus.
WA251 sounds little bit better, but they absolutely super far away from the originals. That cheap highs sound terrible. But your singing is pretty good though. And overall review is five stars. Thank you for very good job. Much better than all previous reviews i watched.
Thanks for checking out the video, the kind words, and sharing your perspective. I don’t expect these mics to be 1 to 1 clones of the vintage or reissue originals, just as much as I know that only matched pairs sound exactly the same. I do believe it’s in the family of the tones and, for me, that’s sufficient. No consumer will ever listen to a professionally completed song with the knowledge or announcement during the song that “this vocal, or this instrument was recorded with a vintage original, reissue, or a clone 251.” They’ll just be listening to the song. With that being said, I do ascribe to the idea of achieving the best sound possible on the front end. I would like a little more smoothness on the top end of the WA251, and it honestly could use more of a 3D feeling in the mids (TO ME). But also in consideration is that I’d never track without some type of EQ and compression and that can help improve the tone in certain areas. I’ve seen suggestions for tonal improvements (swapping out the tubes for something NOS, or having the mics modded completely). I’ve actually recently replaced the tube in my WA47 and I can hear a more desirable difference in my opinion. Overall, the budget of the majority of home-project studios will never reach the justifiable price tag of telefunken reissue u47 or 251 let alone a solid working vintage with reliable, regular maintenance. There are other clones on the market that may be better than Warm Audio (and I intend to explore that lol) but ultimately, I think Warm gets its customers in the ball park for reasonable rates. That does come with a level of sacrifice but all things do. I’m happy with the results of my work using those tools. Again, much appreciation for taking the time to watch the video and commenting.
Hello. First of all thank you for the usefull content. I just got an WA251 and plan to use it with an WA273 preamp. Not sure if is needed to activate 48v on the preamp when I use this tube mic. Signal seems to be good with and without 48v. (till now I only used and have FET mics). Many thanks for the reply.
Just wanted to say thank you for checking out the video and commenting. Tube mics with power supplies do not need phantom power (48v). The power supply takes care of that.
Definitely appreciate the kind words. I think it depends on the source material but I’d say the 251 for a dense track where you need it to cut through the mix. The wa47 could work on maybe a striped down track with not a lot going on.
Honestly, I think it's pretty solid with more affordable gear and more expensive options. I'll post a full video demonstrating that but I've use both mics with plenty of outboard gear in the track & mixing phase. Thanks for the comment, checking out the video and stopping by the channel.
The 251 was way more clear and detailed in your voice. The U47 sounded more muted, and a mic that you have to really lean into in order to get more dynamics and get the character out of it.
Thanks for checking out my example! 🤔 it always depends on the source being captured but out of these two, I think the WA251 would possible offer the top end people are looking for without being too “modern” sounding per say... The WA47 is girthy!
I can listen you all day / night . Ok i have one question , which mic can handle alot of compression , because when you compres eq than quality lost on cheap mic , let me know this and which mic is your favorite sir .Thank you
Thanks for the love and checking out the video! I don’t feel like the issue you mentioned is relevant to either of the mics in this video. I think they’re both pretty solid and will accomplish a good deal of tasks you through at them. You’d be happy with either mic!
Technically, it would be more precise to say the 251 is rolling off the lows and boosting the highs, while 47 is more flat. But I agree that for his voice on this song the 251 sounds better... fantastic really. I usually prefer a frequency response closer to the 47 but I'm really tempted to get the 251 after hearing this, especially for tracks where the lows are being cut anyway.
@@ombilicdes Good point. I'm on the verge of going for the Vanguard Audio V13 but still hesitating... Haven't been able to find anyone comparing the two.
@@CarlMooreMusic I was hoping for a shootout with the WA-251. Can't really figure out the differences, apart from the fact I've read a lot of people raving about the V13 in just about every situation, much less the WA-251.
What would you say is better for a more mid/higher type vocal for rap? I had purchased the AKG xlii as my first mic and I believe l has I had a similar experience as you had mentioned in a comment of it being too bright and in my case highlighting the lack of body. Ended up trying an sm7b for half the price definitely can get more body especially with the proximity affect, but I have trouble with getting it to sound clear in the upper frequencies I know its a dynamic. Would one of these be a better option? Also gotta say your comparisons are some of the best I've seen and your layout makes it really easy to follow along with and thanks for reviewing some of these affordable options I hear the GA models sound great too, but definitely a bump in price.
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting! Have you considered u87 style mics? There’s voicing of that mic all over the market and it’s solid either way you use it. I just used an SM7b with the low cut and top boost on a source and it was solid for what I needed! (Female source but it worked nonetheless). I definitely prefer the XLS over the XLII from AKG on vocals so I feel like that could be a solid option too. What’s your front end like? Any external pres and processing? I’m waiting to get my hands on same of the GA models. My videos come from my personal locker lol so I have to shell out the money for them.
@@CarlMooreMusic first of all appreciate you taking the time to read I had not realized I left such a lengthy comment. I have always avoided the u87 after researching and seeing a lot of people say its not as great as it seems (definitely the new ones) however I would be interested if I can get my hands on something vintage. I actually ended up getting the AKG because the price and people saying its real close to that sound. I know there’s so many clones these days and just trying to get the best bang for the buck. Honestly excited to hear you’ll be reviewing the GA models. There aren’t too many reviews on those yet I hear positive things. Did some more research and came across another One called AA (Advanced Audio) they apparently have an excellent budget friendly clone of the famous Sony 800g called the CM800T might be worth looking into they have some other clones as well. And currently Im using the UAD Apollo preamps only the stock clean pre and they offer the 610B (unison) included not sure how it compares to the Neve or Avalon 737 I can demo those to find out you think it will make a distinct difference? Some other mic styles Im intrigued by are the u47, u67, and 251. My rap style is more in the traditional sense then the modern pop sound. My voice isnt naturally bassy but Ive learned to project and bring that out when recording and was looking to emphasize that while still sounding clear. Hence the Sm7b but personally have trouble getting it to the sound the way I like with eq idk if Im expecting too much from it though I know its a great mic at that price.
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting. I have other tests that are “raw” but that’s not my preference. My style of pitch correction doesn’t alter the tonal characteristics of the mic and I can guarantee what some assume are corrected notes probably aren’t. I understand some subjective positions are not in favor of pitch correcting. I respect the right to the position but don’t agree with it. Again, thanks for checking out the video
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting. What’s the setup? Is there any front end processing before it hits the DAW? I think that information is crucial before giving a perspective on which to choose.
To make this test good you have to eq them and then we'll understand everything. But now one of them just brighter and it sounds betterr. Bat how knows how it would be with eq.
Thanks for checking out the video. Subjectivity grants you the right to your opinion but I definitely disagree with your perspective here. The point is to display the mic’s natural qualities. EQ preferences vary across listeners. What you may perceive as good is highly likely to sound bad to another. Even your comment that, “ But now one of them just brighter and sounds better,” displays your preference. EQ processing wouldn’t change the validity of this test at all. But again thank you for checking out the video and commenting
@@CarlMooreMusic i can agree only in case of playing without music. But when they are in the mix i think to make equal highs would be great to listen. So Which one do u like more?
@@user-md2jb6kk4f there’s nothing wrong with your opinion, but it’s subjective and it’s not a fact it’s just how you feel. Some may not agree with it, and I’m not in agreement. I like both mics honestly but I’d use them in different applications
Good voice but mic reviews need the full production . Don’t limit the presentation to just the mic . It needs to be fully produced . Just leave some notes on the vocal channel hardware and recording technique.
The 251 adds a bit of musical sizzle while not overbearing on the bass range. LOOOOVE IT
Man thanks for checking out the video AND commenting!
Warm Audio gets a bad wrap for their methods but I seriously don’t understand how solid results aren’t achieved with their products. Nothing is perfect but what they offer is good. And I’ve had good experiences with their customer service
47 sounded better to my ears -- smoother top end but still plenty bright and nice round bottom end. Awesome singing and video. Your channel is gonna blow up with content like this :)
Much appreciated!!!! I would definitely agree with the like-ability of the wa47 top end. It’s not overly harsh at all. I own that this is just an opinion, but I dig it. I recently swapped out the stock tube in the wa47. I’ve read a few suggestions on modding/improving the wa251. Thanks for watching the video, contributing, and the kind words.
Fully agree.
Thanks for the comparison. I am going to buy two WA251's in a few months primarily for drum overheads. I use an AKG "the Tube" mic for vocals the past 20 years and love it. But the WA251 on vocal is crystal clear, so life is good. Joe Logsdon & Company, UA-cam.
yes man the 251s on OH are the best sounding OHs ive ever heard, definitely the main reason Im considering one as my vocal upgrade, and for now my figure 8 in a mid/side until I get a 2nd one for OHs.
@@DruNature I think it is an excellent choice for vocals, but I have an original AKG "The Tube" mic I use on all vocals and it has been perfect on everyone who ever recorded in my studio. Male or female, rock or country and even Rap. Since my new studio is much livelier and bigger than my first studio, I will also use the AKG as a room mic for drum tracks. Mono only. Joe Logsdon & Company, UA-cam.
Good call. I also have used “The Tube” for years and now have three WA 251’s. They are killer for overheads, vocals and some other things. The Tube still rocks for fat warmth on many things.
Keep it up, this is my first and definitely not the last video that I'm going to watch. :)
Humbled and appreciative!!!! I will certainly keep them coming!
Great video thanks! The WA251 is amazing!
Much appreciation for checking out the video and commenting!
That 251 sounds great!
Whenever we do the things we do in music. It's best to pick the best microphone we have on hand, for the source. In this case the 251 compliments your vocals. Nice job. Thank you for sharing.
Excellent comparison and demo! Love the use of the fairly clean antelope pres to just let the mics shine. Just ordered my 251 and I am hype!
I love it!!!! I know I'm jaded, but I just love your voice
Thank you good sir!!
Wow, man. First off, props on that being an original song if I read that right. It’s really good and your voice is legit and compliments it well. Also, really high video and sound production. Was really surprised with it. Regarding the mics, I was feeling the WA47 most before the band came in, but as soon as it did the WA251 just popped out of the mix more and felt more vibrant. Great music and demo. +subscribed
Yoo!!! Thanks for the kind words, sub and checking out this video. This is one of my original tunes. I actually wrote it when I was like 15 or 16 haha. But I’ve re-arranged it a couple times.
The mics: that’s a legit observation! I’m a proponent of making decisions based on mic characters. I would totally use the WA251 for the record or in this application. That top end presence helps the lead Vox poke out naturally.
But I’d use the WA47 if it were just me and a keyboard performing the same song.
Thanks for commenting! Seriously!!!
@@CarlMooreMusic Thanks for the generous reply. I have a home studio and record covers of favorite songs just as a hobby I started a couple years ago (primarily guitar, vocals nowhere near yours but that doesnt stop me lol). Ive learned a ton on the production and mixing side and it really helps me to recognize and appreciate what goes into it. Really is a killer song man and slick, jazzy groove with the.bass and drums. One small thought that crossed my mind, was maybe adding baby to the song title like you sing it - "Baby, You Should Let Me." Just a humble 2 cents. Thnx again for the reply.
@@SidFi20 Awesome! Are your covers posted anywhere for others to listen? I’m always down to listen to music!
Ha thanks for the compliment and the title suggestions! I may have to use that!
@@CarlMooreMusic I mostly just mix them down and save them to google drive snd share links with family and friends. I would like to progress into cover videos and potential mixing videos eventually, but since its just a hobby for me im happy to take my time.
Id be honored and happy to send you a link to one to check it out for fun. Can you direct message me on here and I'll send you one. Still developing but would be happy to share tips etc if it would be helpful.
Both mics sound great but I like the extra highs in the 251. Great vocals man!
Totally appreciate you for checking out my content! I like the flavors that Warm Audio has provided when making these mics! Thanks for the kind words!
Both are fine. The extra highs on the 251 will probably have the advantage of cutting through in a song. Or maybe in an up beat dance song. The 47 will probably fit more in mellow songs. The 47 is more beautiful sounding by a small margin but they’re both great.
Niiiiice!!! Brother. The 251, I like the presence it brings.
Thank you for posting unprocessed vocals. Your voice sounded practiced and professional with both mics.
I think the 47 sounded muddy and boomy compared to the 251. The 251 sounded slightly bright but much more etched. This was especially obvious with the instruments in the second comparison. The 251 gave your voice a clear stage presence. Where the 47 sounded richer but also you faded into the background. Again both sounded good but I think I liked the 251 better.
I suspect musicians will like the sound of the 47 better but I'm an audiophile and listening for different things than a musician does. I place a high value on a etched, clean and accurate sound.
I've listened to AB comparisons between the U47 and the WA47 and they sound different when side by side. If you can afford a U47 it's totally worth it. But if you don't have the cash I think the WA is a very good value at 10% of the cost.
Nice comparison,appreciate it!!
Thanks for checking out the video, commenting and giving it a thumbs up!
Killer song, voice, and demo! Thanks for making this and sharing it!
Yooo! Thank you for checking it out and enjoying it!!
Thanks for making a proper demo of these two mics!
Definitely appreciate the kind words!
The 47 sounds well rounded. But the 251 sounds more present!
Thanks for commenting on the video and checking out the channel!
I think it boils down to what’s desired tonally and works better with the source material but either mic can get the job done
Both sounded great, the 47 seemed to blend into the mix with some upper smoothness a bit while the 251 stayed more up front with air and highs. Neither better or worse, just a case of which sound you're going for.
For my tastes, I prefer smoother highs so I'd lean towards the 47.
Thanks for checking out the channel and commenting on the video!
Your description is my exact sentiments. I think both mics are totally usable and with front end processing, I believe one would get closer to end result goals
I was thinking to buy the Lauten FC 357 or the TLM 103, but watching this I felt in love with the wa251 wow just beautiful. 👏 good bless you for this video. the type of music I made is trap,reggaeton,r&b etc... hope its work
im upgrading from the Rode NT1 my first mic since 2 years ago.
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting! Did you ever pick up a new mic? If so which did you end up getting?
@@CarlMooreMusic well i end up with the Fc-357 really god mic but don’t fit my need so i sell The lauten and pick-up the tlm 103
To be honest the best of both worlds and a workhorse
Im going to start know with a small 500 serie preamp and compressor for tracking
Ooh btw In the case of the 357 i love more how the rode work with male vocals for some reason, So in that point i start to think that mic and prices doesn’t really matter, Its all about a type of color your looking for
Thanks for making this ... music talks more than mics, but the gear matters in translating feelings .. 251 has the best fit for me as well.
47 has a hyper mid boost range may be for another type of vocal. Cheers
Much appreciation for checking out my video! Can’t build a house with nails, and I often times view the gear used to create music similar to nails.
Understand which mic works best for the source material is crucial! Thanks for commenting and stopping by!
Wow, exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for doing this comparison, pretty much what I was expecting but fantastic to hear both one after the other. Unfortunately, now I want both of these mics, LOL
Much appreciation for checking out the video and commenting.
I too enjoy both mics! They’re on different ends of the spectrum but i like the tonality they offer and I get solid results from them. I’m the worst when it comes to gear because I say “get them” if you need them lol
Thanks for watching, commenting, and happy recording!
WOW 251 is finished sound.
Much appreciation for checking out the video and commenting! The combo of top and sparkle and the warmth of the tubes give it the sound you’re hearing. They get flack but warm audio makes solid mics
Thank you for this video! Nice job!
Thank you for watching the video and commenting! Definitely appreciate the kind words and you checking out the channel!
251 slight brighter while 47 warmer
Both nice sounding mics. Great video great music too. I like the 251 for your voice.
Yoo! Thank you for checking out the video and the compliments! I honestly do dig both these mics. They met a specific need I had, and I haven’t been disappointed since!
I hear the exact opposite! Are you sure about that? The 47 is much more present with a wide and very usable rise in the 3-8kHz area, the 251 is warm to dark by comparison.
This is a great shoot out man, good job. Thanks for your attention to detail and wow you are a great singer!
Much much appreciation for the kind words but ultimately you checking out the video and giving it a change. I don't really see many video's like this in this genre so I was just trying full a void while staying in my lane.
had i known how big of a difference a tube mic made i wouldve gotten one years ago. So easy to get the vox to sit in a buy mix, the tube does a small amount of compression going in. WAYYY less processing need. HardER to sound bad. All the time I wasted tweaking and enthusiasm running out
Really great video and voice, Agree with your comments about using the mic in different applications, so recoding for the song with the 251 and the 47 for an acoustic session. The warmness of the 47 is so nice but I new straight away that the 251 would cut through better naturally as that's the characteristic of the 251 and similar mics. overall great video man, I'm trying to decide to get a WA-251 or GA-251 MKII which recently got released by Golden Age. Would be great to hear a shootout of those mics if you can persuade them to give you a loan. Not many mic shootouts with your flavour of vocals if I'm honest. Thumbs up and a sub from me!
Yoo!!! I totally appreciate the sub, you checking out the video and your comments! You’re right and I’m with you about application of the mics and their characteristics. I’ve seen quite a few folks bashing warm audio but I like the stuff I own from them. The WA47 is girthy to me and at the time I purchased it, I didn’t have a mic similar to that tonal character.
I’m a MAJOR fan of 251’s! I think warm did a stellar job on theirs but I would LOVE to own one of Golden Age’s. Haha. I’d rather just buy it to own it instead of borrowing 😂.
But for the exact reason you mentioned, I started putting together short review clips of mics. I kind of got tired hearing the same style of sources to give me an idea of a mic. Just wanted to meet a need of another genre in the music community! Thanks again! More content is coming!
Great voice! 😍 Thanks for the comparison video
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind words!
Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks Bro! I'm still undecided though 😉, but I'm leaning toward the 47; so smooth!
So many have varying opinions, but I like what I get out of both Warm Audio mics. I incorporate outboard gear on the front end when I record, so these videos aren’t totally accurate to what I’d do for final takes but they definitely reveal desirable qualities sonically…. At least in my opinion.
Much appreciation for you checking out the video and commenting
Outstanding original music and performance. The 47 sounded much fuller to my ears
Definitely appreciate the kind words and you checking out the video! Warm Audio gets a lot of flack for how they market their products and the products themselves, but I’ve been able to get solid results when using them. I don’t expect them to be alternatives to what they clone. I think they’re in the family, distant cousins even but that’s not why I create with their tools. My subjective stance only. So many will argue with it, but my following/base likes my content and I use Warm Audio along with other companies to make my work.
Crazy Dope Review !!!!!!!!!! That 47 warm and full ..... would def use the 251 for singing tho
Much appreciation for the kind words, checking out the video and commenting!!!! Definitely solid tools to get the job done!
amazing voice and comparison! thanx!
Totally appreciate this! Much appreciation for your time, interaction and checking out the video!
beautiful voice, great demonstration. thanks.
Thanks for the comparison video. I’m leaning towards the 251. Some nice clarity there.
Btw, the bass playing on your track was great! Did you play that yourself?
Yoo!!! Thanks for checking out the video and commenting! I definitely dig the 251 period!
The bass was performed by a good friend of mine. I played keyboards on this tune, arranged and wrote it.
Good music! Good Video! The 251 sounds smoother and a touch more present.
Thank you much for checking out my video and commenting! I definitely like both and I have a good idea where I prefer those characteristics over the other! Still they’re both solid and can produce workable results!
Thank you again!
Thank you for the comparison. I like the more forward low mids of the 251, myself. But I would love to hear what you think. You're the one hearing this stuff without the UA-cam compression algorithm coloring the sound.
Thanks for the video. Both sound great, I just happen to like the 251 a bit more.
Hey thanks for checking this out! I’d honestly agree. The 251 is more of the tone needed for this song and this example
@@CarlMooreMusic Agree it corresponds better with the song, man. Nice job, by the way! Stay safe, keep rockin
Much appreciated!!! More content coming!
People tend to like higher frequencies more but in some ways, it’s kind of over rated. The 47 has a slightly nicer more relaxed feel and maybe a little more natural. The 251 is really good too. I feel that even a U87 or Warm Audio 87 would also be fine too. Most people wouldn’t really notice which mic though after it’s been mixed.
Great work.
Thanks for checking out the video and the compliment!!!
Informative..... I rock with your channel bro.
Yoo I definitely appreciate the love and the sub!
Definitely!
Great stuff, dude. Finally trying to dive into my first real mic (produce mostly in the box) and this vid helped a ton!
Super humbled this was an aid to you! Make sure you post up the mic you end up getting!
Thanks for checking out the content and commenting!
For me, the WA47 would be what I am looking for, The 251 is nice also, it's a softer mic, your voice sounds better on WA47
Hard to tell them apart...just subbed, keep up the good work bro!
Totally appreciate the sub, and checking out the video!!! There is a minor difference but I think they’re both solid tools!
Again, I totally appreciate the love!
Very nice! I'd love to hear these two on a voiceover shoot out.
Thank you for this video 👍🏻
No problem at all! Thanks for checking out the video, commenting and stopping by the channel!
Beautiful singing and voice! 👍🏽
articulate and intelligent ----- very well done
Thank you much for the kind words, watching the video and stopping by the UA-cam channel.
Thanks so much for this. I didn’t remember the 251 to be so dark as I don’t own one, but that U47 sound is so familiar- pure magic. Mine is a 1951, but I’ve used others’ mics and they are amazingly consistent.
Thanks for commenting! I’ve got another video on UA-cam in a studio where the primary mic was Neumann u47 (not sure the year). But after the session was over, I had to comp in a section of the 2nd verse because I forgot to add a portion of the BGVs. I was surprised at how close the Warm take on a u47 was to a vintage version. For some, they’ll throw the WA47 in the trash, but to my experience, I could definitely tell Warm got their mic in the u47 family.
Again, I appreciate your time for the interaction!
Man both mics sound fire, thats cause you're an amazing vocalist. Big up man.
Yooo thanks for watching the video and commenting! Humbled that you appreciate the content! Warm Audio gets a fair amount of hate from other folks in the audio community but I legitimately enjoy the products they have! I keep the correct mindset when I use them and I get my work done! Again appreciate you for checking out my content!
Yeah they both sound amazing. Once the music kicked in I kind of wanted to hear them blended together, best of both worlds haha.
Thanks so much. 251 sounds intimate
251 nice !!
Appreciate the content and time put into making these! Subscribed and well done! That 251 sounds great on your voice!
Thanks for the sub! My apologies for the late response, but its definitely helpful when people hit that subscribe button. It's appreciated when they comment and interact with you!
@@CarlMooreMusic you’re welcome!! I have a page as well if you’d like to follow! I just bought an ADK Cremona 251 and am really enjoying it on my vocals! Your video helped a lot, thanks!
Warm Audio wa87 r2 vs Lauten Audio 320 V2 ?? Which one do you suggest ?
Subbed! Great job brother!
Definitely grateful for the sub!
Bro, I wanna do a song with you man. lol super dope
Shoot me an email with details mooremusic@carlmooremusic.com
The main thing 251 is placed upright and the other one is straight so if any condenser mic is placed in upright position it will sound more treble keep both side by side or both upright position
I’ve never personally experienced a more pronounced top end with a mic being placed upside down. Historically, I believe, tube mics were placed upside down to keep the heat away from the capsule. But I don’t think with modern tube builds, that’s as much of an issue. However, I’ve never had the problem you mentioned. If your suggestion works for you, hopefully that’s a plus.
@@CarlMooreMusic yes it works
@@kumareshhalder4214 go for it if it works for you!
@@CarlMooreMusic Thank u sir 🙏
WA251 sounds little bit better, but they absolutely super far away from the originals. That cheap highs sound terrible. But your singing is pretty good though. And overall review is five stars. Thank you for very good job. Much better than all previous reviews i watched.
Thanks for checking out the video, the kind words, and sharing your perspective. I don’t expect these mics to be 1 to 1 clones of the vintage or reissue originals, just as much as I know that only matched pairs sound exactly the same. I do believe it’s in the family of the tones and, for me, that’s sufficient. No consumer will ever listen to a professionally completed song with the knowledge or announcement during the song that “this vocal, or this instrument was recorded with a vintage original, reissue, or a clone 251.” They’ll just be listening to the song.
With that being said, I do ascribe to the idea of achieving the best sound possible on the front end. I would like a little more smoothness on the top end of the WA251, and it honestly could use more of a 3D feeling in the mids (TO ME). But also in consideration is that I’d never track without some type of EQ and compression and that can help improve the tone in certain areas. I’ve seen suggestions for tonal improvements (swapping out the tubes for something NOS, or having the mics modded completely). I’ve actually recently replaced the tube in my WA47 and I can hear a more desirable difference in my opinion.
Overall, the budget of the majority of home-project studios will never reach the justifiable price tag of telefunken reissue u47 or 251 let alone a solid working vintage with reliable, regular maintenance. There are other clones on the market that may be better than Warm Audio (and I intend to explore that lol) but ultimately, I think Warm gets its customers in the ball park for reasonable rates. That does come with a level of sacrifice but all things do. I’m happy with the results of my work using those tools.
Again, much appreciation for taking the time to watch the video and commenting.
Which is your preference, Carl?
wa47 amazing
Hello. First of all thank you for the usefull content. I just got an WA251 and plan to use it with an WA273 preamp. Not sure if is needed to activate 48v on the preamp when I use this tube mic. Signal seems to be good with and without 48v.
(till now I only used and have FET mics).
Many thanks for the reply.
Just wanted to say thank you for checking out the video and commenting.
Tube mics with power supplies do not need phantom power (48v). The power supply takes care of that.
Great video bro, for rap vocals male baritone, which is better? Thanks.
Definitely appreciate the kind words.
I think it depends on the source material but I’d say the 251 for a dense track where you need it to cut through the mix. The wa47 could work on maybe a striped down track with not a lot going on.
@@CarlMooreMusic thanks bro I appreciate.
this guy can sing holy sht
Thanks for the love and checking out the channel!
251 has more presents in the upper mids. The 47 low end is noticeable.
How does each mic handle compression and eq? You know how some mics can get harsh with processing
Honestly, I think it's pretty solid with more affordable gear and more expensive options. I'll post a full video demonstrating that but I've use both mics with plenty of outboard gear in the track & mixing phase. Thanks for the comment, checking out the video and stopping by the channel.
Could you do the Rode NT1 vs WA-251?
The 251 was way more clear and detailed in your voice. The U47 sounded more muted, and a mic that you have to really lean into in order to get more dynamics and get the character out of it.
Great video! Which would you recommend for a rapper with a more vintage, classic hip-hop/R&B type sound?
Thanks for checking out my example! 🤔 it always depends on the source being captured but out of these two, I think the WA251 would possible offer the top end people are looking for without being too “modern” sounding per say... The WA47 is girthy!
I can listen you all day / night . Ok i have one question , which mic can handle alot of compression , because when you compres eq than quality lost on cheap mic , let me know this and which mic is your favorite sir .Thank you
Thanks for the love and checking out the video!
I don’t feel like the issue you mentioned is relevant to either of the mics in this video. I think they’re both pretty solid and will accomplish a good deal of tasks you through at them. You’d be happy with either mic!
251 is perfect here. 47 adds too much low-end on your voice, I felt.
Technically, it would be more precise to say the 251 is rolling off the lows and boosting the highs, while 47 is more flat. But I agree that for his voice on this song the 251 sounds better... fantastic really. I usually prefer a frequency response closer to the 47 but I'm really tempted to get the 251 after hearing this, especially for tracks where the lows are being cut anyway.
@@ombilicdes Good point. I'm on the verge of going for the Vanguard Audio V13 but still hesitating... Haven't been able to find anyone comparing the two.
I’m looking to get my hands on one of those too. When I do, I’ll definitely post some content. What had you hoped to compare it to?
@@CarlMooreMusic I was hoping for a shootout with the WA-251. Can't really figure out the differences, apart from the fact I've read a lot of people raving about the V13 in just about every situation, much less the WA-251.
Got it!
I couldn't decide between the two! so i bought ...both :/ hahaaa..oh well :) il just have to put in overtime lol
Thanks for checking out the channel and commenting! I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with either mics
@@CarlMooreMusic yes sir! I have now subscribed thanks for all the great content!
Thank you for the sub!!!
If I can only afford one, which would you suggest for male vocal? My first tube mic.
251 def has more sizzle/crisp up top
I would say so too. But I definitely feel like both mics are usable
What would you say is better for a more mid/higher type vocal for rap? I had purchased the AKG xlii as my first mic and I believe l has I had a similar experience as you had mentioned in a comment of it being too bright and in my case highlighting the lack of body. Ended up trying an sm7b for half the price definitely can get more body especially with the proximity affect, but I have trouble with getting it to sound clear in the upper frequencies I know its a dynamic. Would one of these be a better option? Also gotta say your comparisons are some of the best I've seen and your layout makes it really easy to follow along with and thanks for reviewing some of these affordable options I hear the GA models sound great too, but definitely a bump in price.
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting! Have you considered u87 style mics? There’s voicing of that mic all over the market and it’s solid either way you use it.
I just used an SM7b with the low cut and top boost on a source and it was solid for what I needed! (Female source but it worked nonetheless). I definitely prefer the XLS over the XLII from AKG on vocals so I feel like that could be a solid option too. What’s your front end like? Any external pres and processing?
I’m waiting to get my hands on same of the GA models. My videos come from my personal locker lol so I have to shell out the money for them.
@@CarlMooreMusic first of all appreciate you taking the time to read I had not realized I left such a lengthy comment.
I have always avoided the u87 after researching and seeing a lot of people say its not as great as it seems (definitely the new ones) however I would be interested if I can get my hands on something vintage. I actually ended up getting the AKG because the price and people saying its real close to that sound. I know there’s so many clones these days and just trying to get the best bang for the buck.
Honestly excited to hear you’ll be reviewing the GA models. There aren’t too many reviews on those yet I hear positive things. Did some more research and came across another One called AA (Advanced Audio) they apparently have an excellent budget friendly clone of the famous Sony 800g called the CM800T might be worth looking into they have some other clones as well.
And currently Im using the UAD Apollo preamps only the stock clean pre and they offer the 610B (unison) included not sure how it compares to the Neve or Avalon 737 I can demo those to find out you think it will make a distinct difference?
Some other mic styles Im intrigued by are the u47, u67, and 251. My rap style is more in the traditional sense then the modern pop sound. My voice isnt naturally bassy but Ive learned to project and bring that out when recording and was looking to emphasize that while still sounding clear. Hence the Sm7b but personally have trouble getting it to the sound the way I like with eq idk if Im expecting too much from it though I know its a great mic at that price.
Thanks! What camera is, good video quality
I use a Canon M6 mkII
@@CarlMooreMusic thanks!
No problem at all!
Can you do the test raw? I can hear pitch correction
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting. I have other tests that are “raw” but that’s not my preference. My style of pitch correction doesn’t alter the tonal characteristics of the mic and I can guarantee what some assume are corrected notes probably aren’t. I understand some subjective positions are not in favor of pitch correcting. I respect the right to the position but don’t agree with it. Again, thanks for checking out the video
251 all day
Model preamp please?
Thanks for checking out the video. The preamps used are the stock pres from Antelope Audio’s Orion Studio rev 2017 interface
Dont sleep on the Telefunken AK 47 and or the Telefunken 251 either. They shd be able to get you closer to THEIR own mics!!
47 all day
Appreciate you for checking out the video and commenting!
WA 251 or LA320 if somebody used both mainly for vocals?
Thanks for checking out the video and commenting. What’s the setup? Is there any front end processing before it hits the DAW? I think that information is crucial before giving a perspective on which to choose.
@@CarlMooreMusic only the Audient id14 preamp
what interface do you use for your mics?
Antelope Audio Orion Studio Rev. 2017
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Thanks for checking out the video and commenting
To make this test good you have to eq them and then we'll understand everything. But now one of them just brighter and it sounds betterr. Bat how knows how it would be with eq.
Thanks for checking out the video. Subjectivity grants you the right to your opinion but I definitely disagree with your perspective here. The point is to display the mic’s natural qualities. EQ preferences vary across listeners. What you may perceive as good is highly likely to sound bad to another. Even your comment that, “ But now one of them just brighter and sounds better,” displays your preference.
EQ processing wouldn’t change the validity of this test at all. But again thank you for checking out the video and commenting
@@CarlMooreMusic i can agree only in case of playing without music. But when they are in the mix i think to make equal highs would be great to listen. So Which one do u like more?
@@user-md2jb6kk4f there’s nothing wrong with your opinion, but it’s subjective and it’s not a fact it’s just how you feel. Some may not agree with it, and I’m not in agreement.
I like both mics honestly but I’d use them in different applications
WA251..
Thanks for stopping by another episode on the channel and commenting
251 ….
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Good voice but mic reviews need the full production .
Don’t limit the presentation to just the mic .
It needs to be fully produced .
Just leave some notes on the vocal channel hardware and recording technique.
Not sure what any of this means but views count on UA-cam so thanks for the view!