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How progressives ruined California | Joel Kotkin
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- Опубліковано 6 сер 2024
- California was once a byword for freedom, tolerance and economic dynamism. Today, it is the sick man of America, blighted by soaring poverty, racial strife and record emigration. Here, Joel Kotkin explains how the maddest ‘progressive’ ideas have brought California to its knees. An elite obsessed with gender, climate and race has replaced children’s education with woke indoctrination, has smothered industries with green diktats and plans to splurge billions on racial reparations. The so-called left has produced a society as unequal as any since the feudal era, where Big Tech oligarchs and public-sector fat cats crush the working classes beneath them. The fall of the Golden State is a warning to the world.
I'm a native Californian who, starting from my very first vote in 1974, fought against the progressive madness but at age 65 saw the writing on the wall that the state would never come back in my lifetime to the greatness I once knew. I didn't want to spend the remainder of my retirement years battling so three years ago I left and haven't regretted it yet.
Curious where you moved to?
@@agisler87
Northern California
It was never great - it was just great for you - this is not hard to understand - also, nostalgia is a drug
I’m 62 resident of California my life and never liked the Democrat party, but I will stay and fight. It’s not like me to give up and run.
@@GRANDPAWOOODOGGY Fight what? Do you think CA will turn red again? Why not just enjoy the beauty and accept the changes? Everything changes - you should know that if you are 62 - where is your wisdom?
They always call Trump a buffoon but they never talk about his record as President.
He is still a buffoon though 😂
@@BlueFish-g5u
So is Doctor House, which I am (a Polymath savant that does dabble in M.D. under Cognition/Psychology/Evolutionary Biology).
You sided with a charlatan anti-Doctor...take the L in that you are the problem of Amerixa, no one else .
I noticed that too. That certainly took a lot away from the guy's credibility right there.
I am a native Californian, and I can say some of his other points were a bit myopic. But I could let those go.
Yet somehow, in his mind, Trump did what experts said couldn't be done like ending endless wars, bringing inflation down, bringing back manufacturing, making us energy independent, and lowering unemployment to points they said could never be done again; yet somehow Trump is the buffoon?
That really makes me wonder about these experts, and pundits. Are they the buffoons, or just evil liars?
@@ZetaReticuli_ I don't think we have a full understanding of just how evil these people are.
His record in business is terrible. These are facts. Plus he is a boofon.
This is exactly the path the UK is on.
But with rubbish weather
@@Dezzasheep It doesnt put the low paid immigrants off.
@@marumaru6084 True. Flies still land on meat that's rotting away.
@@marumaru6084👈🏽Immigrants work harder than you.
@@ralphverboten8816 Statistically there are more immigrants on benefits who knew!
Fun fact:
Hitler was a, 'Progressive'.
Lol, yep. So were Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc.
Anyone who advocates for a master race is not a progressive -
Education is a precious thing. Because the Nazis had the word socialism in their party acronym they were considered 'progressive'. Sure.
@tombussio4979 I hold a degree in history from the University of California. My area of emphasis is 1930’s Europe and the Mythology of WW2.
The post is absolutely true. The Nazis were progressives. Need proof? Look up letters from leading progressives in the US who absolutely adored Hitler, Mussolini and the Nazis before the outbreak of the war (you can find them online).
FDR, Margaret Sanger, and many others in the vanguard of the progressive movement during the 20’s and 30’s spoke glowingly of the Nazis and believed America should be more like Germany. Conversely, it was the Republicans who warned against the Nazis and Communists as threats to free markets and individual rights.
These are historical facts. After the war Progressives rewrote history and did everything they could to move Naziism to the political Right. They understood how bad it made them look that they once supported the Fascist movement. Easier to shift blame than it is to admit you’re wrong.
However, that narrative never held water. You see, American Conservatism is marked by small government, fewer regulations, and greater individual rights and responsibilities. These are ideas that are anathema to the progressive worldview.
Sorry if this all hurts your feelings. All of which I stated can be independently verified, so please feel free to do so. I doubt you will though because that might require you to think for yourself.
And so is Gavin Newsom!
It was a red state at one point..
Walt Disney himself was a Republican.
I’ve been here for 40 years. We had 2 real Republicans and Schwarzenegger (not a real Republican).
@@jamesdellaneve9005 Schwarzenegger did alright, imo.
@@theviolator818 From what I hear he tried to bring both sides together and got shanked by both.
Regan was governor of CA before he became president.
The East India company was in its day bigger than Apple, Microsoft and Alphabet combined. Such wealth is not unprecedented nor permanent.
True but the business environment was very different
Are you implying that these will be forever companies?
We have forever banks. The money goes somewhere. City of London
Marxists, not progressives
Thought the same thing.
Democrats, not “progressives”.
They keep honoring these most regressive people on earth with that word.
Same difference. Both are based in dialectical materialism.
Tell progressives to stop pushing intersectionality and critical theory. That's Marxism.
Joel Kotkin has a sterling reputation on his analysis of urban life and trends. He is another classic liberal who has seen the crazed pursuit of leftist ideas destroy communities.
People are voting with their feet. Out of California and into Texas and Florida.
How?
@SamuelClemente7718 by moving out of the state. In 2023 so many people moved out of Commiefornia that it lost a congressional seat.
@statusquoreject that is a good thing then. We have to many people here in California
@@SamuelClemente7718 We also have too many people on the planet too 🤷♂
@@SamuelClemente7718don’t worry the illegals will be gone soon
I’m trying to leave Democrat Occupied California right now. I don’t want to spend my retirement years in this crazy state.
take me with you lol. I just came back from the south I miseed my family and trader joes but omg its literally hell here now, even on fire
SAME, counting the days when I can surrender my California drivers license.
I moved from Orange County, CA to Scottsdale, AZ last year. Best decision I've ever made. Come to AZ we could use more conservatives here.
So glad I left forever.
Me too😊
There is no CO2 problem, btw. See Princeton Prof of physics, William Happer and CO2 saturation
Dr Happer is great. He’s answered my questions and shared papers with me.
one guy vs. 98% of the other scientists
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j It’s not 98%. That’s a lie promoted by President Obama. There are thousands of scientists that have signed onto concerns about this theory. In addition, science has NOTHING to do with consensus. Here’s a test on consensus. Zero out all funding for all pro AGW studies and fund non-AGW studies. You’ll get a different “consensus” in 1 year. In addition, what isn’t science is when you label those that have research that does not support “orthodoxy” DENIERS. Other pieces of evidence that this broad field of study has been corrupted are: 1. No funding for non AGW studies. 2. Not being considered for tenured positions. 3. Having your contracts not renewed. 4. Using models that can’t be tested. 5. Changing historic temperature records. 6. Having study summaries not supported by the contents of the research paper.
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j Argumentum ad populum
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j it's not 98%. It is important to look at the data, not so much at the people
As a person who is on the right I have to say Joel Kotkin is one of the people on the left that I Seriously Respect.
"Progressives" - LOL at least they have an ironic sense of humour.
Regressives
"progressively worse"
Marxists
It was going so well and then, in the final seconds, the Trump Derangement Syndrome comes out.
Like Vladimir Lenin said if he could change the mind of one generation that he would win.
We got to watch it in real time during the sixties mostly at UC Berkeley.
Decades later I watched as a standing president told the country that he would make “fundamental changes” and that we were no longer a Christian nation. Which sounded strangely familiar because I had read Rules for Radicals back in the early eighties.
It doesn’t happen all at once but a little change here and a little change there and over time the country and the rule of law has slowly been undermined while everyone is scratching their heads wondering what (in hell) is going on.
I call the Progressives, Regressives .
Great interview. Such a pleasure to listen to such truthful, clear thinking.
Most people who move to a Red state from California will take their Democrat ideas with them, this time it will be different comrade.
😂😂
Proof read . It helps
I left. My brothers left. Soon the last of my friends will leave.
No sh8t? Same reasons?
Whats your age tho? California has always been for the young, bold and ambitious. Old people need to retire to wherever their income will allow them to survive. California is for young emerging industries. If you dont have some passive investments or paid-off home by old age California can be unaffordable.
When the hippies moved in to California during the ‘60s, it was the beginning of the end.
The hippies started it off then tech finished it for good
I agree. California weather and geography are the best in the world. You have to really mess things up to get people to keave.
It’s exaggerated. Around 1 percent of the population was lost between 2020-2023 (2023 the population actually went up by 65,000. So for 3 years (during a once in a lifetime pandemic) the population went down 400,000 and it’s already back to increasing … this is a non-issue.
@@RandomRabbit007 California has been gaining population for decades, until recently.
@@michaelknight2897 Literally only lost population for 3 years (400,000 total, so less than 1%) and now back to gaining population (67,000 in 2023 alone). This is a non-issue.
@@RandomRabbit007 I see a loss in 2023 from the quick search I did. This is with record immigration. You want to focus on the percentage and ignore all factors.
@@michaelknight2897 Bro it literally says 67,000 NET gain. Why are you lying? I said nothing of immigration, end of the day the population has began INCREASING again.
All of my fellow conservative friends that were born and raised in California are retiring and moving to a red state from the Peoples Republic of California...wake up people!!!
Why do you think they retired on California Pension then move to Alabama
@@SamuelClemente7718 That will work for a while until Caplars goes 100% broke then not so much. Illinois is even worse. And no the US taxpayer does not want to and will not bail these pension systems out. Ford did the right thing in refusing to bail out NYC in the 70s when they went bankrupt.
Look at the Detroit situation and the cut to pensions. That is what will happen to many government retirees. Already happening in CA. Talk to former employees of the city of Stockton.
And no they are not entitled to SS since they picked government service and the pension route. They did not pay into SS during their service so no they are not "entitled" to SS.
@greglane3978 better then working at Walmart for 40 years . Then walk away with NOTHING
Thats the thing, the people leaving are old and retirees. They dont have the income to stay in California. Cali is for the young, bold and ambitious. It’s not meant for old people.
@@RandomRabbit007 Those "old people" built California and pay enormous taxes, unlike many of the recent migrants that are taking, not providing to the state...wake up!
Lived in California for 52 years it used to be great it’s not now,Weather boring people also,they think it’s great it’s not !
maybe you should not stay anywhere for 52 years - maybe you're the problem
You a weirdo for generalizing 40,000,000 people LOL. Sorry you’re miserable. Happy you left, we dont need that sourness here.
@@user-xu6bv7yh2j Commiefornia politicians are the problem.
My coworkers who have left Kaliunicornia fall into two groups- people retiring a little early to maximize retirement value & families with young kids who want their kids to be educated, not brainwashed. Only have 1 coworker who moved to Kali- it was for the high wage but he didn't factor in the high costs.
CALIFORLORNIA
What I’ve been saying, wind will blow “ nasty “ things will spread. Students are quite unintelligent. Before they speak out try living first.
I grew up in Southern California during the 90’s and 2000’s. It was even going to shit back then. Left in 2007. My life’s been far better for it.
CA has no capacity to run its current electric grid but it wants to add thousands of electric cars/buses to demand energy from a grid it hasn't yet built. Not one person in CA can competently do math.
Man Cali used to be so cool....he is soo right!!!! My now adult daughter thanks me for teaching her what common core could not, and I am not straight be never allowed evil woke in my house.
All people do is run run run. Then some of these policies come to their states and they don’t care. Total apathy. Ignorance. Nonsense. The Americans have lost their fighting spirit. Lost their way.
Your guest is completely correct here ❤ The voters have really messed everything messed big time 😢😮
And yet he still thinks Trump is "a problem." OK bud.
Two things can be true at once
California proposing to pay $5 (yes five dollars) per black person as a non-cash reparation payment. In other words white people.raped. sodomized, lynched, whipped, burnt, bbq'd, ate, souvenired body parts, sold, stole, mutilated, denied humanity to your black ancestors and determined that they were worth $5 in reparations.
A black slave costs more than the price to compensate them back for their grief.
You can have more than one problem in this life.
@@ChollieD Well at least I don't have Trump Derangement Syndrome like you.
@@ommk9650not those two things.
great interview Fraser you've really come into your own the past 4 years
Nevada is loving all the money from California.
This is real recent history perspective. Authentic.
just no more Californian to Texas ... welcome for a day and have a nice day on your way out...
CA literacy rate is near the bottom of United States!!
Evil at it's finest.
My native state and home to my family for 130 years. Hardly any of us now live there.
All for same reasons?
Same.
excellent discussion
OK, wait a minute. This guy was doing great until the end. He called Trump a buffoon. OK, Trump has a big personality could be seen as a buffoon by some folks , but Trump‘s policies are that of the red states in which he liked when he went to the boardwalk in Sarasota, Fl. And the cadaver is the blue policies that he doesn’t like in California.
The last line shows he hasn't learned his lesson.
we have seen and said this for 40 years while watching it happen daily and it has not stoped but spread. were ya been
if you think gavin is a potential president of the USA candidate, please take a few minutes and see what he did to the beautiful state of California, it is still beautiful but life is miserable and business and people are leaving it.
Great description of self demise
Is "sort of" part of the requirements for employment at Spiked? Just curious as it seems to be repeated ad nauseum.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and virtue signaling activism. They never should have let public sector employees unionize.
The poster child on how NOT to do it🤣
Facts 💯
Yeah I know a lot of white conservatives have always been on this race kick.. especially towards black people even though. Black Americans are not even the majority minority anymore but we're still on their brains Terry Terry he said race for black Americans don't even make up a huge population in California knock it off.. and finally the reason why they blocked that synagogue was because that synagogue specifically promote building illegal settlements in the West Bank
There is no such thing as an “illegal settlement “ in your own country.
Leave the Jews alone!
@@JosephAl-bq5xl most of the so-called Israelis are of Eastern european. These people are not truly from that land, now.... there has been scientific evidence suggesting that the Palestinians have ancient Canaanite blood.. that is their land
Last place I’d ever want to go is California
You really should check out Yosemite and Lassen Park before you die.
But you’re here watching
@@Halfdead211 Watching and learning how bad ideas ruin a place.
Just come to the midwest, minus the weather and beaches, it's much better here
Maybe it should say how caring state violence destroyed California.
14:52 - imagine that!
For a learned economist the ubiquitous “you know and I mean” are utterly distracting 😤10-4!
As a Californian im voting RFK Jr. 2024 🙌🏽🇺🇲
Third generation Californian. The state has had it's ups and downs but ultimately it's bigger than any political ideology..With that said as Joel explains it's not just the neoliberals it's also the two tiered ecconomy so your title is misleading ...
1:16 California: dangers of 'malinvestment'
Basically in a state of indentured servitude even though that’s what we wanted to leave when we fought the British lol
Wow, California was indentured servitude by the British. I did not know that.
@@sc3304
😂🎉😂
An utter inability to extrapolate and intuit information is what got California into the demonic dump its become!
Congrats, Kali-Fornica lives inside of you...anyone reading this, know that, it returns from your neighbors under the guide of "TsssNuh-Uh." to blatant reality.
💀
You people do believe the myths you're told 😂. That's right, the British were completely enslaving you by expecting you to pay some tax to contribute towards your own defence.
I see so many California license plates in Dallas, TX.
The UK ranks 8th in world manufacturing. Not too shabby.
Both Brown Governors were the economic boom of the State of California. The family has stayed middle class to upper middle class, which tells you that they were honest. They are our version of the California Kennedys minus the scandals. My best friend is one of the few remaining Browns who are attorneys. She wants nothing to do with politics and one of the most apolitical people I know. Instead, she wants a quiet life in obscurity focusing on her business career and family. Sad that she is so turned off by the political arena.
Progressive equals socialist
Lives in California for most of his life but still retains New York accent...
Pleasant interview and generally sensible but then he falls into occassional cliches.... And maybe no one can understand other countries. One commonality is the destruction of education. Best way to make a disempowered manipulatable serf class... and Brits seem incapable of prioritising education and reestablishing high standards. Major issue.
And the process of shipping your concrete in from Arizona or Mexico is actually creating more emissions - because you have to burn more fossil fuels in transport. Much more efficient to mine your necessities close-by.
Progressive movement supports the right to express your ideas against progressive movements.
CA is not the same cant hardly live here 😢yes they have ruined it 😭
Kotkin gives nod to Newsom presidential bid.
I agree with Mr Kotkin. Our concern is that Californians moving to Texas will turn it into another California.
I live in Dallas. I haven't seen any evidence of Californication.
Thank`s for mentioning the Irish mate. Where`s my dosh😁
Of course us Irish also owned slaves and our patron saint,Patrick,was a slave brought from Roman Britain.
❤❤American culture and history. Great book. Teaching white supremacy by Donald yacovan. They stopped teaching white supmrcy due to Martinl Luther kind and Malcom x
Gavin Newsome took it over the edge
He had help from the CA legislature and the voters who keep putting them in place.
"Regressives"
u forgot the part for 30 years, people will not vote.
Everything during this interview was going fine up to the last ten seconds when this man called Trump a buffoon.
If people in the Ruling Class (such as this interviewee) did a better job at governorship at both the State and Federal level, a Billionaire Businessman WOULD NOT have to SAVE America. Take your Narcissist, New York heart BACK to New York. California doesn't want you.
BTW. 85% of them are NOT natives
California DEI woke government.....LOL
California has plenty of problems but everyone is welcome here, no matter race religion identity gender none of that matters, we welcome all, if you are a hater please move to a red state.
It is insult to the word “progressive”
Keep voting dumacrat till there is nothing left😶
Comiefornia
progressive is always digressive
Why do California lovers always rhapsodize about the weather like it's unique? The coastal weather is nice, a classic Mediterranean climate with barely any seasonal change but there are lots of other places like it, the Mediterranean for example, as well as South Australia, South Africa, parts of South America. It ain't that special, plus the weather away from the coast is horrible, much too hot and sunbaked.
Californians deserve the politicians they elect. 😂
The Democrat Voters Are To Blame 🤢🤮
The Democrat Voters Are To Blame 🤮🤢
I've warned my work mate not to go to California for a holiday, but he's hell bent on seeing Alcatraz. I give up.
...he calls trump a bafoon at the end. ...thumbs down..
California
AB1955 😮
Musk out to Texas who could blame him
1000%... I really do not understand how or why it is being allowed... Stop it.
now do one on how the limp right enabled it.
All lovely and all...but the decline started under the Republicans. The one party democratic rule since the 1990s is a reflection of dire republican management from the 1960s onwards.
Combine that & the freedom of movement you have between the states, and californias problems are largely demographic...no different to Illinois or Michigan, and largely embedded & unavoidable due to policies in the 60s, 70s, 80s.
Regardless of who might have started it. The democrats have run and won on the same issues for 40+ years with minimal change. That’s two generations and things are getting worse. There needs to be change regardless of party system and this is coming from someone who’s lived here for years.
That’s some impressive cope there.
It’s not the Republicans that have permitted the drug culture and allowed crime to run rampant.
He says no one sells a semi that is electric? And it would have to stop to charge every few miles. He lives in California and knows nothing about Tesla, yet he rails against young people for not being informed!
At scale.
Maybe he didn't mention it because Tesla semis won't even enter production until late 2025.
Is he a Duew?!
At least not Arab Muslim 😅
Australia has a better climate mate and not as fucked up
Sydney is definitely prettier than Dan Francisco.
@@stephenlight647
No, it does not. I've been to both California and Australia. California weather is much better.
@@rodrigodiaz9472Your political climate isn`t mate
@waynemcauliffe-fv5yf the whites are divided. Same as in Australia. I know plenty of aussies with different views. Lol
Look out, if you emulate California, you too might be the world’s fifth largest economy.
It’s not that really. It’s the Trump Biden clown show that makes the republicans make California look like crap. Once Trump is out of office everything will go back🛎️. The reason why I want Trump to win. Trump will be out of the picture and Biden will not be around to get reelected. I mean, things are booming in California.
Only Jesus saves from hell. All have sinned (Romans 3:23 KJV). The Lord Jesus Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day (1st Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV). Jesus shed His blood for our sins (Ephesians 1:7 KJV). Water baptism DOESN'T save us (1st Corinthians 1:17 KJV). We are saved by grace through faith, not our works (Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV).
Democrats.
I was listening attentively to Kotkin until he called President Trump a baboon. Compared to Newsom, he is brilliant. The country did great and enjoyed tremendous success with him as president. Listen to Victor Davis Hanson, a legitimate and intelligent intellectual scholar about the demise of California and the nation - and Pro Trump.