Billy the Kid Debunked: The Truth Revealed
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- There is a lot of misinformation about Billy the Kid's death. This is your comprehensive guide to cut through the noise and determine fact from fiction. Thank you to all of the historians whose research I rely upon.
On the night of July 14th, 1881, Sheriff Pat Garrett gunned down Billy the Kid. Or did he? Why is there still so much confusion surrounding the alleged death of William H. Bonney? Is it true that Pat Garrett’s deputies said that he killed the wrong man? Why did Sheriff Garrett bury the body without letting anyone see it? What was he trying to hide? And why was there no photograph taken? If Garrett did kill the Kid, why didn’t he receive the reward? And while we’re asking questions, who was this Billy Barlow character? What’s that all about? And who was Brushy Bill Roberts? Did Brushy have all the same scars as Billy the Kid? And wasn’t there a photo comparison study conducted by the FBI that showed Brushy and Billy were a 93% match? We will discuss all this and more as we finally clear up a few misconceptions concerning one of the greatest history hoaxes of all time! #history #western #wildwest
1:15 - Did Pat Garrett receive the bounty?
8:13 - Did Pat Garrett’s deputy say that he shot the wrong man?
10.33 - Did Garrett bury the body before anyone could see it?
19:15 - Why was there no photograph?
22:39 - Did Billy the Kid have a beard? Did Garrett accidentally kill a Mexican?
25:32 - Billy Barlow
26:02 - Were Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid friends?
27:49 - Was Billy too smart to be killed by Pat Garrett?
30:50 - Were the residents of Fort Sumner in on the hoax?
33:23 - Anecdotal stories
34:50 - Brushy Bill’s history of tall tales
38:12 - Brushy Bill’s scars
39:26 - Brushy Bill Roberts Autopsy
41:15 - Did Brushy Bill know things that nobody else could have known?
42:36 - Was Billy the Kid left-handed?
43:10 - The Billy the Kid Historical Coalition
44:12 - Brushy Bill Roberts affidavits
46:40 - Jesse Evans
47:46 - 1990 Photo Comparison Study
55:08 - Valid questions concerning the death of Billy the Kid
56:30 - Who was Brushy Bill Roberts?
60:29 - Cousin Ollie theory
65:04 - Why would Brushy lie?
67:48 - Jim Miller
68:41 - Why did Billy the Kid speak Spanish?
71:10 - Billy the Kid’s Sixth Sense
73:12 - Did Garrett’s deputies say that Garrett killed a Mexican?
75:55 - Did Billy the Kid stab someone in NYC?
80:04 - Did Pat Garrett accidentally kill the wrong men?
86:55 - Did Garrett’s widow say he killed the wrong man?
89:35 - Did Brushy Bill have the same eyes as Billy the Kid?
103:34 - Was Billy already dead in the tintype photo?
104:21 - Was Billy the Kid a woman?
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So what do you think? Cased closed or nah?
Never
Closed, of course. It should never have been reopened in the first place. All this crazy speculation does is strip Billy's death of its dignity. Whether one believes he was an outlaw or a freedom fighter, he was indeed just a kid who truly believed he was on the right side of the law. Turning him into Forrest Gump does his memory a huge disservice.
What's yer name again pard ? Since the days of Bloody Beaver, i thought it was Josh. Now something else is bandied about ? Are we going down the 🐎💩
trail ?
I think that that was very uncharacteristic of Billy the kid. He would not be sneaking around barefoot with a butcher knife in his hand if he saw strangers particularly Anglos.. and to me this is the biggest thing that proves that Billy the kid was not the man that gunned down why in the hell would he go down there with a porch full and a room full of anglos and speaking Spanish.. I will even go further than that that was so uncharacteristic of Billy the kid that even if brushy bill was proven to not be Billy the kid I would still believe he escaped. He had a sixth sense that saved him and Pat Garrett had already gone down the wrong Man twice. Also on their deathbed it was proven that they both deputies said he shot the wrong man. Both men said he shot. A Mexican that was coming to get a slice of beef. And I think the proof of that whether people want to believe it or not is he would never go in there with a group full of angels and speak in Spanish.
I love your videos but in this case you and me are going to disagree Billy the kid would never go up on the porch where they were strangers and speak in Spanish. Delvina Maxwell also said me and the coroner's jury who was all Spanish are mostly all Spanish live at the time and said it was Billy the kid because we wanted him to get away and it worked didn't it. She said the man in the room was absolutely not Billy the kid it was a half breed. She said the corner story the Spaniards talk to the over amongst themselves and said Billy has done so much to help us that now we need to help him. I don't give a damn about the 93% match. Even his own daughter said my father shot the wrong man and to keep himself from getting hung because the man was not wanted he lied and said it was Billy the kid. Where is very very few people that agree that Billy the kid was dead and a ton of them that believed he got away. I'm not talking about historians or modern-day people I'm talking about contemporaries. Both deputy said right off the bat pat you shot the wrong man. It was a Mexican and we would have never allowed him on the porch if it was Billy.finally Pat bully them and the jury in the saying it was Billy the kid. But on their deathbed they most definitely 100% without a doubt said Billy the kid was not shot that night or any other night. That Pat Garrett for the THIRD TIME. YOU KNOW HE HAD A POLICY OF SHOOT FIRST AND ASK QUESTIONS LATER IT BOGGLES MY MIND WHILE PEOPLE JUST AUTOMATICALLY ACCEPT THAT HE KILLED THE KID. I MEAN ACCORDING TO DELVINA MAXWELL THE FIRST WOMAN IN THE ROOM THAT PAT GARRETT AND THE DEPUTIES WERE TOO BUSY RUNNING AND SHE HAD TO GO IN THERE AND MAKE THE IDENTIFICATION. THE MEXICANS LATER SAID THAT PAT GARRETT IN PARTICULAR WAS SCREAMING LIKE A WOMAN. SHE CUSSED THEM FOR COWARDS WHEN THEY WOULD NOT GO IN AND SHE WENT IN HERSELF. THESE ARE THE COWARDS AND THE LIARS THAT PEOPLE BELIEVE SHOT BILLY THE KID. I MEAN JUST LOOK AT HIS BOOK ON BILLY THE KID IT'S A BOOK OF FAIRY TALES. BECAUSE OF THAT BOOK WHICH IS A BOOK PACKED WITH LIES PAT GARRETT PROVES THAT HE IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY YET EVERYONE JUST ACCEPTS THAT HE SHOT BILLY THE KID. HAD HE PUT HIM ON ICE AND WAITED FOR A CAMERA I DON'T CARE HOW FAR AWAY IT WAS HE WOULD HAVE DEFINITELY TAKEN A PICTURE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE PUT HIM NOT ON ME AS A SHERIFF FOR LIFE BUT PROBABLY IN THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE. PEOPLE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT LOGICALLY HE ALREADY SHOT BILLY THE KID TWICE BEFORE. I MEAN COME ON. I LOVE YOUR STORIES AND VIDEOS BUT ON THIS WE WILL NEVER AGREE. I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN BELIEVE THAT BILLY THE KID WOULD WANDER AROUND AIMLESSLY AND GET SHOT WITH ANGLOS IN THE AREA AND HE KNEW PAT GARRETT WAS IN THE AREA.
Brushy Bill looked NOTHING like Billy the Kid, the facial structure was not even close even taking ageing into account.
Bs they did a fbi did a comparison and it was 98percent a match so go find a hole and gruel in ok
@@frankhummel955 RELAX
Yu had better check out the truth ok your full of bull
@@frankhummel955.....You Brushy Bill people are utterly DELUSIONAL 😆
@frankhummel955 .......Brushy Bill was NOT Billy the Kid.
You mean, Brushy Bill.....the lying conman ?????? 😁😁
Brushy Bill Roberts..... the REAL Forrest Gump!
Some people just won't accept anything that goes against their beliefs, hero worship, and conspiracy theory fixations. Might as well claim JFK was killed by a lone gunman, Mary Jo Kopekne was driving Ted Kennedy, and Abe Lincoln was straight. Gonna start a fight regardless!
@@UncleBildo 🤣
@@UncleBildo 😆 🤣
no youre the real Forest Gump
One thing we can be sure of ..... Brushy bill, born in 1879.. was two years old when BTK died ..... C'mon people... 2 years old....
When you claim to have taken the identity of your dead cousin who was approximately 20 years younger…
@SumDumGy if you believe that!
@@danielblackburn1241 That’s what *he* claimed.
@@danielblackburn1241 it's been proven
I’ve owned Old Henry since it was released. This is a severely underrated movie. I know, one of these days, it will be put up there with unforgiven, Josey Wales and Tombstone.
Excellant film
The recent Netflix documentary proved that Brushy Bill wasn't Billy the Kid, he was Old Henry 😂
I forgot about that
Gotta admit that was a good movie, but my favorite was Pat Garret and Billy the Kid, the Sam Peckinpaw masterpiece, a great shoot um up with an unbeatable music score. The shotgun shells loaded with dimes and a few other things are questionable, but still entertaining.
@@jakeroberts7435 another great one
Josh, I will say this.
I do NOT believe that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid.
I DO believe that Billy was gunned down by Garrett in 1881.
However…
I do, wholeheartedly, wish that when Joseph McCarty met Garrett, years after Billy’s death, that Pat told Joseph:
“Look, I shot the wrong man, convinced all in Fort Sumner to pass him off as your brother, met up with Billy later and told him to get his ass to old Mexico and not come back, and he’s still there, and this is where.”
I WISH that would be the real reason why Joseph left amicably and later said it was concluded, and Billy lived a low key life and died surrounded by family.
No lying Brushy Bill, just a former outlaw, given a second chance and taking it, living his life quietly in old Mexico, regaling his brother with stories of his adventures until old man Bonney passed quietly.
A man can dream.
I agree ❤❤
Brushy Bill Roberts was NOT Billy the Kid !!!!
He's partying in South America, with Elvis and Hitler 🤔😳
Ha
They been going at it for many many decades.
@@JoshuaTraffanstedt the road goes on forever and the party never ends
Party DJ'd by Osizzy B-Laden, catered by DB Cooper Hospitality Inc.
And also does Central-Bubb Bubbnigg, the Bubb of all Bubbes daddy'o ☝😂
Just in time my man. Always a pleasure. Thank you for your continued work.
Thank you for returning!
@@WildWestExtravaganza I've been listening a plenty, just had not spoken up recent like. Try to stay out of the heat. VA been nasty this week, reckon y'all been as bad.
I'm with you! This channel is the best on the net as far as I'm concerned!!!
@@donc9751 too kind!
I arrested on of my best friends for rape many years ago, he was convicted and proved to be a serial rapist in our small town. When you are a cop you do your job and friendships sometimes go by the wayside when duty comes first.
…and sometimes not.
If I've never said it before, I freaking love you. All this alternative history BS must be stopped -- and you're the perfect person to help put a stop to it. Also, Lew Wallace was a complete dick.
Hey thanks!
Yes, he was a real ass hole.
Soooo...we got it all wrong about Billy huh....no kiddin ?
@@chrisbrown8640 You must be great fun at parties.
I kinda don’t want it to stop.
Great investigative work, Josh...as usual!
As one that has been in the funeral profession for 38 years, I can guarantee you, as stated, Garrett would NOT have wanted to travel such a distance with a deceased body in the New Mexico Summer heat...🤢 Would have been a very unpleasant experience to say the least. Besides the bloating...a few other bodily issues would not have provided a quality photo, anyway. So...its understandable as to why the Governor didn't require such identification...and of course, the eyewitnesses made up for the unfortunate, circumstances.
Keep up the fantastic historical stories...Much Appreciated!🤠
Thanks
Brushy's mouth is very different than Billy. I think he liked the attention he got and he probably could talk a good talk. People have done versions of the same thing throughout history
Absolutely EVERYTHING is different between them ... They look nothing in any way shape or form like each other, not an ounce of familiarity, I look more like BTK than brushy and I look nothing like BTK.
Brushy Bill was NOT Billy the Kid.
I'm gonna watch, but be warned. Nothing you say is gonna make me forgive you for revealing brushy bill was not billy the kid. I know you been worried about that.
He went and ruined our good time.
Haha. It's all good, I'm just glad you're here
Lol
Hahahaha!
Ha
As a young American who has personally hitchhiked across the USA and work many odd jobs and found myself at many different historical events, I relate to Billy The Kid. Sometimes Americans want to live life to the max.
I just have to say, i stumbled on your chanel a good while back, im a truck driver & i put your chanel on and just let it roll , while im rolling. I love the old west & you make it fun to listen, but regardless of my biased this is the best pod cast on youtube period! Thank you for your work. God bless you & yours..
I love my truckers! Stay safe out there!
this is one of the best channels on UA-cam
Thanks!
I don’t know …none of this follows the documentary “young guns”
Young guns is an Illuminati tool to brainwash cowpokes
Haha
I’m a history buff from Sydney Australia. I love stories of the old west. I honestly thought this was put to bed years ago and it was established that A) Brushy Bill Roberts was full of shit, and B) Pat Garrett killed Billy The Kid.
I guess every few years these stories pop up and a new generation believes these fairy tales that Billy the Kid somehow survived and lived until his 90’s.
I gotta say, this is a very interesting and in depth, definitive account of Billy The Kid’s death. The best I’ve heard.
Love the channel. Do you plan to do a thorough bio on Wyatt Earp (like you did Billy’s) in the future?
Absofruitley
So journalism has always been this bad, and I already knew Lincoln shut down over 400 newspapers, jailed editors, and reporters In the north, I'm not surprised a good job , Josh
Wow. Thanks for the shout-out brother. We really appreciate it. Always glad to help a fellow Kid historian. Great episode!
Any time!
I heard Davey Crockett survived the Alamo and went home to Tennessee and opend the 1st ever Rootbeer float stand under the alias Cravy Dockett..so if he can do it why cant billy?...put that in your pipe and smoke it 😏..🤣🤣
You make a very good point, I take it all back.
It was actually Gravy Docket. And he became a CPA in Tucson, Arizona. Lived to be 142 years old. Died rescuing American prisoners of war in Viet Nam. The man was a legend.
Josh , once again bringing common sense, logic & no BS to the Internet.
Thanks josh, i spent the last few days listening to your older podcasts while on a grand canyon trail, aka death march, my wife made me go on with her. Hope all is well.
Haha, sounds like a fun trip. Everything is good here, you?
Yeah, it was fun. Nice being away from civilization. Just wish i never had to come back. Been doing very well myself. Just picked up a 1866 trapdoor in 50-70 from garrett.
@@snappers_antique_firearms Nice
The problem is that there was very little electrical service in the frontier towns. That made it almost impossible to keep your cell phone charged outside of the big eastern cities. When you know that then you understand why no picture was taken. People really need to do their homework on this stuff.
Great point
@@valis992000 cmon bro, it’s well documented that fort sumner had its own EV charging station…
Everyone wants the kid to have lived. Your videos bring me back. But I still want young guns 3🤣
So stop🤣
Ÿyyÿeeeesßsss!!!!!!
Oh I’m definitely looking forward to part 3
God, no.
We don't need a 3rd Young Guns movie 😕😕
58:17 - 59:51 had me in TEARS lmao. Reminded me of a Forklift Driver who showed me a Super Bowl Ring (quite a few times) and said "I was a part of that Super Bowl Winning Patriots Team . . .but never specified which one.
I’ve known a few people like that
Ever since I've seen Galaxy Quest, I've become hesitant to use the term "historical documents".
Glad to see your channel grow since I first found you a year ago
Me too!
Love this channel my man!! Keep up the great work ❤YEEHAAA!
Glad you enjoy it!
"Billy was too smart" Ya, he was a smart guy but he was also an older teen that probably had a hell of an ego on him because of his success.
I drank beer with Billy at a bar one night and he told me the whole story...
Same
@@WildWestExtravaganza John Wilkes Booth was drunk in a bar in Enid Olklahoma and got his head blown off by Jesse James for running his fool yap in 1903. Booth didn't die in that barn and John Surrat lived out his days in Maryland, but they hung his mom.
Your a Helluva man. Thank you so much
Last I heard Billy was alive and well and living in Argentina.....................
I married Billy's sister, l know the truth
LFG!! best night of the week is when TWWE uploads!
Thanks!!!!
Brushy Bill is the vampire son of Billy the Kid… who was the vampire magistrate of the region. Pat was a member of the secret society of vampire hunters and did his duty!
That would be a good movie
Yeah but where do the Paladins fit in???
BTW Michael Anthony Giudicci (I probably spelled it wrong😅) is pronounced: Ju-da-si-si. I love the guy, and the Coalition at Chasing Billy. The three channels are my go-to.
Is there any chance of you doing a future video on Jesse Evans? The above just did an interview with actor Daniel Webber (who plays Evans in the series) and there seems to be very little reporting of him outside of his connection to Billy. I'd like to know more about Evans and you seem to be able to dig deeper than almost everyone. I'm sure you've got a full plate but if you don't ask, you know?
Noted. I’d love to learn more about Evans one of these days
Josh my dude. Good job man as always love the way you tell these and the work you put into them. Keep on keeping on brother.
I appreciate that!
Hey Danny, thanks for clearing all this up!! I see where your taking this, but let me ask you a question. Do you think Pat Garrett really shot Billy the Kid?!? I'm justa Joshin' you. Entertaining as always and I DO thank you for that!
I'm glad rolled your "R".
Did that just for you, don't tell no one
@@WildWestExtravaganza 😜
👏🏼
Unfortunately as much as I wanna believe Billy survived, Pat Garret did indeed kill Billy The Kid
Billy the Kid only had peach fuzz for facial hair. If he was Brushy Bill, he sure got hairy in his old age....
His eyes grew closer together too. Weird 🤔
Micha Bell must pay
Aha! I knew that rat was behind it all!
I don’t have a concern about Billy supposedly getting away. Please look into the mysterious murder of Pat Garrett. Quite a story and lots of rumors about what really happened.
Off topic, but as a bit of a connoisseur for Wild West History and Stories, I f*cking love this channel. Your Content is so engaging and it is never dull, for me at least.
I was never really into the History of the Old West until I played through Red Dead 2. I played Red Dead 1 as a kid but.. I was a kid, I couldn't grasp the story of RDR1 even if I tried, so when I played RDR2, a somewhat romanticized Game set at the tail end of the "Outlaw Era" as an adult back in 2021-ish, I became absolutely fascinated with the real History of those times, which eventually led me to this channel. So, we can thank Rockstar Games for opening me up to this sort of stuff and leading me to this Channel, because I don't regret a second that I sit and listen to these Episodes.
Sidenote: Don't let anyone tell you that Video Games can't be beneficial, because when you have absolute masterpieces of Storytelling like RDR2, a Game so well made that I am almost positive that it led many younger people like me to look into the real history of the times that Game is set into, you lead people down the Rabbit Hole and in the process they LEARN something about REAL History, and that certainly provides some sort of value to society.
Great stuff!
Great video as always Josh, wasnt expecting another video on Brushy Bill Roberts but I never miss an episode of The Wild West Extravaganza. I personally never bought the whole Brushy Bill story, out of everything that I have ever read on Billy the Kid, i personally have no reason to doubt that things on the night of July 14th 1881 happened any different from what Pat Garrett said, that will probably piss alot of the pro Brushy Believers off but too bad. Out of all of the Wild West era people Billy the Kid story has always been the most interesting to me, not sure why. Sure would have been nice to know what all was said between Pat Garrett and Joseph Antrim when they met.
Your passion for the Wild West is unmatched. Love this channel
I appreciate that!
@@WildWestExtravaganza and I appreciate your hard work and dedication!
I'm glad your finally back on my feed.
What happened?
Excellent! You convinced me of what I always suspected, that brushy Bill was not Billy.
Nice. I thought the algo sent me something I was looking for, but it was you.
Well done, I learned several things about this famous young outlaw I hadn't even heard about till now. I saw a photo of Emiliano Zapata, right before the still from a movie with James Coburn, and Kris Kristofferson. Zapata, while not as famous in the USA as his contemporary, Pancho Villa, had a very colorful life in his own rite. In case you haven't already considered it, Emiliano's story would make a fine edition and addition to an impressive collection you've built on your chanel.
The words decomposing carcass is just outright hilarious.
Ok, time to reveal the TRUTH, btk was capt sanders...yep, the KFC king, my great great grandfather was developing spices to coat chicken in when btk broke into his shack on the little prairie neer a little house where a family lived who had a blind daughter, just up the ways from Walton mountain... Well, btk held my great great grandfather at gunpoint till he revealed his special recipe and Billy said "dayam! That is finger lickin good!" ... They became friends and soon after my great great grandfather left to join General Custer and subsequently lived in the battle of little big horn and was adopted by Geronimo who named him "little white moustache" (he had yet to grow the goatee part on his chin) anyways long story short btk was allowed to run away that night after he bought "his" special recipe fried chicken into the bedroom of maxwell and garrot, who were lovers, and the rest is history.
Brushy bill Roberts was just one of garrets lovers who got the name "brushy bill" cos his mustache "tickled" if ya get ma drift😂 .....
That's all certified true, as told by my uncle, who was told by his mother who saw my great great grandfather looking very upset and saying "damn you billy....damn you ta hell you S.O.B!" and related what happened.
There, I hope that settles it once and for all.
BTK LIVED & BECAME A FAST FOOD MAGNET!!!
I believe every single mustache tickling word
I knew an old man back in the 70's, actually 73,74,75, i was 13,14,15 but that old man knew it all, seen it all,done it all. He loved to talk, and supposedly rode with different outlaws ( criminals), knew a lot of different criminals, he was a early SEAL , which was a frogmen, way back in the day, WW2, i think? Hell I don't remember what all he used to say or tell everyone back then, I think most of us just liked to hear him talk and tell his stories, and stories i believe was all they were, i don't know he may have done some of that shit but nobody really knew. He was damn near 100 in 74-75, looked like he was in his 70's, but yeah back in the late 1800's he run with some outlaws, on horseback, out west, haha, but like i said, who the hell knows. Man if he did half the shit he claimed, he'd be one bad SOB. Geez! Lol
Haha, I've known a few guys just like that
@@WildWestExtravaganza- Hahahahaha, yeah I still know a few like that too, try to blow smoke up peoples butts and try to make folks think they big and bad! lol
Good job, the facts don't matter to some people, so sad !
Bill was born 20 years (1879) after Billy was born (1859)
Some people just need to believe in fantasy stories and can't handle the truth. Thanks for the episode, Shirley. Take care
Billy retired from a small pet shop in Tijuana. The shop was pretty much black, gray and white except for the red or blue Beta fish and a couple other secondary examples for a texture.
He spent his last years living casually paranoid while occasionally shitting in a hole and eating barbecue iguana. Perhaps at the same time and place.
I heard it on a Mexican radio,
I'm on a Mexican radio
Iguana sounds delicious
Its tough eating, but if you want to clean your palate after eating a bloody beaver it gets the taste out. @WildWestExtravaganza
Mexican, whoa whoa, radio....
I'm sure I'm not the only female fan here who's been approached by full of crap losers like Brushy Bill lol. He was a pathetic compulsive lier. And if I was psychic I would think it a good probability that David might still live with his mom, but of course I could be wrong. Dude, I loved the intensity of the way you brought the A-game of facts over fantasy. I've been a total tomgirl all my life surfing, climbing, hunting, etc..and being born and raised in the West, I love hearing the old stories especially the outlaws. Your channel rocks 🎩😎🤘
Thanks!
Hey chica. Im a SEAL Team Delta Ranger who now works with the CIA. Im just living with mom as deep cover. Want to go get some drinks? My Astin Martin is in the shop. Can you drive? 😂
@@MrCashewkitty 😅👍
Great episode! Thank you for your time and efforts
My pleasure
Josh, you are doing great work to keep the memory of this period of American history alive and also truthful. Thank you for your efforts and diligence.
Thanks for listening
I live in northern New Mexico just a half mile from the Pecos river in Pecos NM and I've always had a huge interest in Billy the Kid and I've gone back and forth with him being Brushy Bill or being shot by Pat Garrett and no matter what my thinking always comes back to the fact that Garrett did actually kill the Kid. In a way that brings me comfort knowing that Billy rode into the history books here in New Mexico and his bones rest here in New Mexico and no where else. You can take a good look at Brushy Bill and see that he really wasn't Billy the Kid. Great work on bringing common sense and truth to all the conspiracy theories. Everyone I've ever talked to here for the most part say that he was killed by Garrett. A few believe differently but everyone has their own opinions and you can't change it.
But Jo-osh. We know that Henry was loved by everyone in Fort Sumner, so why is it not feasible that the whole town, including Pat, conspired to give Henry a new life by claiming that Pat killed him? In your own words, "Just because they said it happened, doesn't mean it was so!"
Well, that assumption is a false one. What we know is that Billy was not universally loved at Fort Sumner. Area ranchers such as Manuel Brazil were actively working with Garrett, as were others. Beaver Smith and even Pete Maxwell are suspected of aiding Garrett.
Thank you for providing facts are facts. Here in Florida we call these stories fisherman tales. Newspapers don't sell themselves? As we also say "I am not lying, just exaggerating to make the story sound good". Great episode!
The idea of Brushy Bill being Billy the Kid was a romantic notion that made the end of Young Guns interesting. It's clear that it's not true, though. I was a little saddened when I realized that there were so many witnesses, but the truth is the truth.
There's no way b.b.coulda done all those things.I never did believe it.Stunning research pal. Re excellent
Brushy Bill should’ve just been a screenwriter for Hollywood or a novelist. I think he could’ve had legit success of his own if he’d gone down that path.
Your awesome and I am glad that you put things right even when you get more information on your subject.
I try
Nice tongue roll 😂
Keep em coming brother.
Was a good one!
Yay! I enjoy you posts! ☘️
More to come!
@@WildWestExtravaganza looking forward to it!
Lets go! Josh is back.
I never left
I don’t have the words. Yeah I do, old-west stolen notoriety. I may have just invented something.
Good detailed job! Another thing, notorious outlaws and killers didn't just vanish into the ether and re-emerge decades later. It's not their nature. Especially one like Billy who was so recognized all over the territory.
Somehow stumbled upon your video. The old west's not particularly close to my heart as a topic, but this is fascinating. I can't overstate how impressive your thoroughness is. I don't think there was a pebble left unturned. Seeing history set straight gives me the warm fuzzies! Thank you.
Thanks man!
So let's assume Billy the Kid was tanning his skin to pass himself off as a Mexican. Would it not be logical to assume that he spoke Mexican as to not give away his identity. I mean if I'm going through all that trouble to make myself look like a Mexican to keep myself from being picked up by the law and I know how to speak Spanish I would think I would be speaking Spanish every chance I get even if I'm with a group of people that I trust I would think I would be wanting to speak Spanish and every opportunity that I got just to keep people from identifying me.
This detective work is why we all love to hear from you good Sir!
Thank you kindly!
Our man Danny McBride rolling them Rrrrrrr’s
Another great episode Josh, so many unknowns about the Kid is the reason he is so intriguing to me and so many others.🤠
Thank you
I really don't believe Billy was all that smart I question the intelligence of any one to stay in the same county knowing you had a death warrant against you is not a mistake its plain stupidity but he did this his whole 'career ' Staying in Lincoln County which is a huge County so He was either lucky or maybe incompetent Law Enforcement ( maybe fearful is a better word) is the reason
Like Bob Bell always says “Nothing changes more than the past!”
Yep
Too bad they didn’t have CCTV, Ring, or something like that. I believe that Pat did kill Billy. But people might think I’m biased.
Almost 2 hours, I'm in heaven❤❤❤❤❤
I know, I feel that way every time he uploads a deep dive. It's never long enough for me. I could listen all day -- and have.
R.I.P .... btw.....what's it like? Do you get good reception up there? ... Say hi to jesus for me and tell him I didn't mean it .... That pig is a damn tease!
Great video. Love the channel
Much appreciated
You stated “the only picture of Billy the Kid”. The second picture found at a garage sale a decade ago fetched 5 million to the finder. A picture of Billy the Kid and his fellow regulators playing croquet at their mentor’s house who brought the game of Croquet from England. It took a few years and much money to get picture legally legitimized but it was sure worth it. Billy the Kid wearing his cardigan sweater he was known for.
Can you point me toward any source that shows the croquet photo was sold for millions of dollars?
You should stop reading clickbait Internet articles. The man who owns the photo, Randy Guijarro, did not sell it. They insured it for $5 million. It didn't sell because the provenance presented in that documentary couldn't hold up to history. The building history wasn't correct and the idea of the photo being taken because it was Charlie Bowdre's wedding- debunked. Randy didn't sell it and he's still trying to. That photo is not Billy Bonney or any other Regulator.
You sold me in the first 7minutes. Put a fork in it. 💨 Great series ❤
Glad you enjoyed
Josh want to ask you a question you said the Poe said to Pat you shot the wrong man After some rather forceful persuasion, indeed, we induced Maxwell to procure a light. He finally brought an old-fashioned tallow candle from his mother’s room at the far end of the building. He placed the candle on the window sill from the outside.
This enabled us to get a view of the inside, where we saw a man lying stretched upon his back, dead, in the middle of the room, with a six-shooter lying at this right hand and a butcher knife at his left. Upon examining the body we found it to be that of Billy the Kid. But if you back and read what Poe said before that Poe said that he never seen Billy or Maxwell before so how would Poe know if Pat really killed Billy or someone else he can only go back what Pat or Maxwell say? Josh just playing devil advocate I don't think brushy is Billy but I do think he was there with or he knew someone who was there. I think Billy lived a long life never to be heard from again and that's what I think he really wanted.
Correct, Poe and McKinney never had previously encountered the Kid.
You gotta ask yourself what scenario is more probable.
Scenario A) Garrett and Maxwell lied to the deputies. The dead man was not Billy the Kid but Garrett couldn’t afford to let the news spread that he had once again shot the wrong man so he silently conspired with Maxwell to trick the deputies. The other residents of Fort Sumner went along with it…all 200 of them. Their ruse was so successful that they not only convinced the deputies, but also the coroner’s jury and the entirety of the New Mexico Territorial government. Also Billy the Kid finally took the hint and never again resurfaced.
Or scenario B) Deputies Poe and McKinney used their deductive reasoning, coupled with the reaction from locals and identifying information on the dead man’s body, that he was Billy the Kid.
Billy' folly was staying where he was comfortable
Just wanted to say love your show. From Lancaster Ohio
Hello Ohio!
Well jesse james wasn't really killed by Bob Ford. So there
Jesse james was killed by bob ford on april 3 1882 cant b argued cant b debated , j frank dalton was a phony , didnt recognize his “ daughter “ , mary who brought jesse s boots which didnt fit phony dalton
Listening to this past midnight , laughed out loud at the " curtains matching the drapes"
Ha!
Great to hear from you, bud. Hope everything is goingvgreat for you! 🤘
Thanks! You too!
You know what’s hilarious? A mofo in 2024 seriously arguing about how Billy the Kid died in 1880. 😂😂 It is what it is, and every one of those people has been dead for years, the history has been written. Nothing will ever change that at this point! Appreciate your work Josh. Entertaining too!
Josh you make a convincing argument, you have done a great job researching the subject as well as covering your bases.
Good job and cheers 🍺
Cheers!
1:11:55 6 in probably meant 6 inch. Talking about his revolver.
I disagree that pat had no other choice but to kill Bill because Billy had surrounded before that seems Billy was green lighted pat was no more than a hitman
Letss goo! NOLA showing WWE love! I would have died in 2 days in the west but i often dream about it. Hell, I can barely survive new orleans. Love your take on it man. Dont know how your do unbiased. Lord above knows i couldn't be like that unfortunately. Man, im still so totn on Pat Garret..just relistened to billy the kid and pat garret series from a ehile back. Whats your take on him Josh? On one hand, he screwed his boy over "allegedly ". Fun fact: was in rehab in my younger days and one guy wholeheartedly ( he was dual diagnosed obviously) that he was delta force and killed bin ladin and had to ride two hammerhead sharks back, then was awarded a personally prepared steak by Reagan ( i know the time-line isnt correct). Dude 100 percent believed this and we had to all play along. Food for though. He even had a hammerhead shark tattoo. Was funny though, 85 percent of the time dude was very well spoken and cohesive but the other 15% of the time he was , well, ya know...
Haha that’s great
Billy the kid is still alive!!!!! He's the only navy seal alive that was there when bin ladin was killed. I know this is true because it makes me feel good.
That’s why there were no photos of bin Laden!!!
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought Millers first name was John and Jim Miller had something to do with Pat Garretts death?
Yes, correct. If I said Jim I misspoke, I meant John.
I actually have a manuscript of a book that was wrote about Brushy. I belonged to the New Mexico Billy the Kid historical club for years….it’s suspicious that New Mexico has always refused to exhume the graves and investigate.
Brushy's ears were completely different then the Kid.
His right eyebrow was identical, that proves it! .....
Lol
@@Notmyfarm Many Chinese men have identical eyebrows.
Our ears and nose, but especially ears, keep growing as we age. Especially in men. Look at our potato head president. Not saying Billy wasnt shot dead at all.
@@MrCashewkitty now, Joe biden COULD be BTK, tho more likely the blind banjo kid in the movie Deliverance....
Something Else about Gov Lew Wallace. He was the author of Ben Hur. The novel that became a play and several feature films. Most Notably, the one starring Charlton Heston in 1959.