WHICH TRAIN IS BEST? DUTCH OR GERMAN?
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- After Swiss and Lufthansa, we are now comparing NS (Nederlandse Spoorwegen) and DB (Deutsche Bahn). They are main train operators in The Netherlands and Germany, respectively. Take a look at our way to make the trip more fun :D Anyway, this is completely our subjective impression after taking the train for more or less 12 hours journey return. Please let us know if we made mistake in showing what we saw.
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you can't really compare the Dutch and the German trains because in The Netherlands you don't need a canteen on board because the distances are really small. on average people are only 30 minutes or max an hour in the train and the longest travel is max 3 hours from the North to the South of Holland.
van Noord (Den Helder) naar Zuid Holland (Rotterdam) is hooguit anderhalf uur. Ga jij maar eens van Groningen naar Vlissingen, ben je zeker 4 tot 5 uur onderweg
Komt omdat je vaak moet overstappen vgm
Herrer85 4:54 uur😉
Overstap maakt geen uren verschil.
Maastricht (south) to Groningen (north) already is almost 5 hours (you have to switch trains once). Groningen to Vlissingen would be even longer.
Many German train stations look like the third world/end of times; Dutch stations are impeccable clean.
But the trains other way around, ok we will have many updates on the stations here in North Rhine-Westphalia so we will catch up on that with the dutch.
@@f.r.4329 The trains are fine, especially the modernized VIRM and the ICM's.
@@Ipuffyy The ICM is indeed fine but the VIRM ahm i have my own opinion on those. But maybe its on routs i′ve driven on Arnheim to Rosendaal(ICM) and than onwards to Middelburg(VIRM). I′ve taken that route 3 times until now.
@@f.r.4329 Yeah same here with the VIRM. I like the modernized VIRM and dislike the rest. But, in comparison to other countries NS has a really good fleet. I hope the replacement for the DDZ ends up being the Siemens desiro HC.
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hum, guys, that's kind of a strange comparison because the distances in Deutschland and Nederland and thus the requirements are very different ;)
Exactly
yup, agreed, maximum of hours you sit in one train is 2,5-3 an in germany it can be 6, also the netherlands has 'staats-mongolen' who fuck up all the nice things like toilets and such
Yea Dutch train toilets are quite bad, but I've seen faaar worse on a toilet on a train in Chicago. In Hungary the toilets were very clean.
Candy for Breakfast but in the sprinters there are no toilets at all.
Very true. Although I don't agree, you usually don't travel by sprinter more than 30 minutes. If it's more, you should take the intercity. But yea, all trains should have toilets. The newest sprinter generations have toilets again however.
try NS vs NMBS, better comparisation bacause belgium and the netherlands are both small countrys
OhhDaarBenJePerry They allready did the Netherlands now.
That would be a really unfair comparison...
why?
Netherlands has much better infrastructure than Belgium
ST FU yes they do, i remember the drive from bergen op zoom, south of netherlands, to antwerp, on the highway a4 you could feel you were entering belgium, but it was not in a good way. the roads did suck
ns on time?!?!
you got really lucky
Thomas M hij was op Rotterdam centraal, daar kwam de trein op tijd iguess 😹Rotterdam is een grote stad toch?
No he just went in the hours that were less busy. Also Dutch people say a train is late if its 5 minutes late.
nee eigenlijk niet ik reis heel veel met de trein en zo vaak heeft de ns geen vertraging hoor
Well..does your boss say you are late when u arrive 09:05 on work ?
for 3 years i traveled a traject where i only had a delay once a month, which is totally acceptable by my standards
The Dutch people have a strong cultural preference for bein on time. Hence, a delay of more than 2 minutes is called "delayed" and people are bitching about it. Try to take a train anywhere else in the world. Really it is very good in the Netherlands. Apart from the delays, I would prefer German trains, much more comfortable. It is an unfair comparison, though. German trains are long distance trains, whereas Dutch trains are medium distance trains at best (apart from ICE but that is only a few and you have to pay extra).
British Trains need that kinda stuff, even Eurostar is frequently delayed and Long distance trains from London are ALWAYS late
Agreed. In the Netherlands a delay means 2 minutes. In Germany a delay means half an hour or more. Also, the Dutch railway network is the densest in the world and to get everything to run on time you need trains less than 20 years old. The DB can use much older trains, because they are in less of a hurry.
oh yes, you pointed out some key elements. also true, the size of the country matters in this case.
Please Dutch railroad is NOT the most dense or complex. Have you been to Japan? Take Shinjuku and compare that to AMS central! AMS is not even close in all terms. Tokyo metropolitan area population is 80% of the whole Netherlands and their train is MUCH more efficient and complex!
Shinkansen, their definition of late is 6 seconds and their on time performance year around is 95%. Where is Dutch fast train? There ISNT any!! The last time Dutch try to built was FYRA and where is it now??? Please.... Dont even try to compare! You want to talk about cleanses as well? NS trains are dirty! Not just the train The stations as well.
One thing Dutch people DOES NOT have is WORK ETHIC!... What they mostly do during work is drinking coffee. And yes I have lived in both sides
i think the in teh German sytem everything depends on other trains to much. The smaller trains usually are in time (+-10 min) but we have some railways where like every Train has to get on if they go in one direction. The Most Citys arent connected with each other. The ICEs have to share to routs with the slower trains And if one train delays many others also delay. In the netherlands because of the shorter distances these Problems can get fixed very fast but if there is a ICE that shall drive 300kph 80 km long and he cant because of reasons... he delays and than the next train delays and so on and so on
Nice.. professional looking production, no annoying people screaming at camera, all 'n all pleasant to watch... keep making more of this stuff
Hi Joel! this makes our day! thanks alot! A LOT
donotsettle I have to agree with him, good video, can you guys do comparison about the whole transport picture, bus, train, metro, stations etc. I am curious
omg this comment is gold! screaming people was the reason i hate some youtubers hahaha! amazing channel guys, glad i found it!
But thats a bit unfair... You used the old Sprinter trains which are going out of service in 2021 if i'm correct, and you left our fast train, the Intercity Direct, out. And the NS has ICE trains as well. Four of them, but still, some.
interior of intercity direct is the same as in the single deck intercity train in this video. But there are also more spacious double deck trains, and there look better. And the netherlands is a small country, we don't need or want luxery long distance trains as they have in germany because we do not sit in trains for that long
Jasper Jonkers and we all know the ns has some problems getting on time too
JAGC true.
Jasper Jonkers Yeah like the shitty Intercity Direct makes any difference... just go by Intercity here.
+JAGC that isn't NS's fault, prorail causes that, NS gets blamed for it all the time but they can't help it.
This is n't even far becous the Netherlands is a much smaller country. We don't need a restaurant on board. We need more seats.
Linda de Korte lol
I also want to add that the Dutch railway system acts much more like a metro then it does a train system, The Netherlands has a much higher overal living density than most counties, especially Germany. Like one big city. So for the most luxurious metro ride, come to The Netherlands.
Nothing luxurious about 90% of Dutch trains, quite the opposite of lucidities actually so let’s not lie to people.
@@siat6630 Allot can happen in 6 years. Yes currently, the constant public transport strikes along with increased demand doesn't make it great, still better than London underground rush hour though.
The NS does a fair enough job considering the situation here and the distanced involved. Keep in mind that the railroads here are amongst the best maintained in the world and they have to be because it is so busy between many passenger and cargo trains. The main issue though is just that the scheduling and routing seems to get worse by the year specially when you look at connections between the randstand (main city clusters in west) and northern areas of the country.
The wifi while nice, is still running on 3G and just very slow, with how good the networks are I never use it and just stick to my mobile network, because it is faster, more reliable and saver. Also the wifi prevents the use of video streaming because it cannot handle it. I guess for travelers it can be nice though.
Overall we all love to complain about it and sometimes it is more than fair, but it is fairly good.
but...
but...
isn't the ns always late?
it is if i want to go with it
they are on time more than 95% of the time
yeah, right. my nose is too
They are always late in the Amsterdam and Utrecht areas! They are always on time everywhere else! :P
For me they are on time most of the time
They're often late during rush hour, exactly at the moment most people are using them.
in the netherlands its a meme to say NS - Always late
Thomas Jansen nee NS staat voor Niet Snel
Thomas Jansen its the same in germany (pünktlich wie die deutschr bahn)
NS is mijn naam
Try getting the train in England, Southern rail is beyond a joke
@@Nick_Sluijk ne way
SO COOL!!!! What a great job!!! Tks (from Brazil)
NS has a power socket at every 1st class seet
DB has it for every seat ;)
Rudy_Eila so does the new sprinter from Ns . Remember dutch trains in the west actually run on an (almost-like) Subway schedule because of the smaller distances...
Even better. NS really upped their power socket game. Most of the new sprinters now even have power sockets as well as usb charging ports in all first AND second class coupes.
than I can make it even better than that, cause if I take the bus to the station I also have a USB port to charge my phone.
yea?? didnt know that.....
I don't understand why Dutch people are complaining about Dutch Railways NS. Maybe it's funny to say so?? I travel daily by train and it's mostly on time. The Dutch Railways are the most reliable system in Europe, after the Swiss Railways. In general the Dutch trains are more modern and comfortable then Germans trains (more quiet). Don't compare commuter trains with international long distance trains.
Yeah me either, alright dutch trains have some delay sometimes, but it's always like 20 minutes or something. And when a train got an delay about 2/3 hours it's because a jumper that jumped for a train or something, ns is very safe train company who prefers safety before anything else so yeah that's why you get delays by if there is leafs on the rails or something.
I'm dutch yeah, go many times with train almost everyday, and yeah i think they should have a bigger train in the rush times.
Helemaal mee eens. Ik reis meestal buiten de spits en heb de laatste jaren een paar keer een paar minuten vertraging gehad. Het mag geen naam hebben. Volgens mij kletst men elkaar na.
Most of the times its good but during rush hours its sometimes a bit messy and when there is bad weather like heavy rain or (even the slightest bit of snow) trains will be delayed
@red-tit-calf....speak English please
The yellow-blue house style of NS dates back to 1968 (Tel Design) - while Ikea apparently only started using those colors in 1983.
Stop saying NS is always delayed, i live in The Netherlands but i travel alot in Germany and believe me: delay is extremely more in Germany, last time i travelled from Bremen to Duisburg it arrived with 3+ and it got in Frankfurt with more than 60+ minutes delay, NS is mostly delayed from 1 to 10 minutes, and it wont go higher then 15 minutes, while in Germany if there is a delay, it will get higher in no time, Dutch Railways cant make the decision to drive or not, ProRail decides that.
Schiphol Airport station. look up how many times that had a delay. Its insane dude.
Oh and also you cant compare those 2 countries with eachother. If there is a delay in Germany it takes hour for them to fix it because of the distance and the fix that needs TO BE COVERED IN THAT AREA. most trains go for a long distance so go figure. In The Netherlands its a different story, unlike Germany they dont have a legit excuse.
To be fair, sometimes NS also got delays. Sometimes because of the weather, but now also because of the construction
true, but i saw somewhere some years back, NS punctuality is 91% while DB was only 85%. maybe they have improved now :p
ns has a lot of delays but it's like 5 to 20 min extra. I've never seen an ns train be 2,5 hours late.
broke liemonade
It does not happen a lot, but if a person jumps in front of a train you can easily get a 2.5 hour delay.
Had it a couple of times in my years of traveling with NS.
We complain a lot about delays, honestly it is not so bad. Only if you have connections which you need to catch it can be irritating. Yet seen much worse in other countries. At least the NS thinks about properly alligning the train connections for shorter commutes unlike some other foreign countries.
NS is the best
But that´s logic, because I´m Dutch
#proud :)
what is the difference between the ns and the ss. The ss actually got their trains full
MalteserCookie not funny!
Christian Boer it is
+MalteserCookie hahaha
Before NS it was called SS actually: Staats Spoorwegen
The NS got no problems filling the trains; it's like sardines in a can :D
Travel with NS during weekdays in rush hour to or from Amsterdam or Utrecht, amost sure you have to stand in the vestibules, even with a first class ticket.
NS has a huge shortage of roling stock at the moment, having had to withdraw older stock due to new regulations, and awaiting ordered new stock.
But they have an improving punctuality, now 95% of all trains have not more than 5 minutes delay (and this counts as punctual in the records, Japanese will think different about punctuality), but with transfer times between connecting trains of often not more than 2 or 3 minutes even that means often missing your connection.
On the plus side: your next sprinter connection will be within 15 minutes on most routes, and IC trains usually run on a half hour interval (but some lines every 15 minutes), that's one big difference with DB, where IC or ICE trains run on 1 or 2 hour intervals depending on the route, and in rural areas even regio bahn or private companies can have just hourly trains.
for the ones who say NS is always late, in 2016, almost 90% (89.1) of the regular service trains are on time. In Germany, it's less than 70%. I have read that in an article
NS on time? you are seriously wrong about that one :)
Nope. Delays in the Netherlands are mostly a few minutes (5 to 10 minutes). Try Germany where a small delay escalates pretty quickly in at least an hour due to the fact they have a lot of routes with only one train every 2 hours. I've been travelling in Germany last week and every train I went on had delays, resulting in a delay of 4 hours on Friday.
at least they have an excuse. The Netherlands (NS trains) dont have an excuse at all. Leaves on the rails every single week causing delays(ok other countries have this problem aswell but not as often as The Netherlands have). In the winter if there is a little bit of snow delays up for hours. You can debate that rails are sensitive but cmon, the NS should be ready to prevent these things happening especially when they arent part of the goverment anymore profit is the only thing they care about, not the passengers.
Delays in the ''Randstad'', the part of the netherlands where a lot of people work and is the most crowded part of the netherlands, have a delay time of more than 30 mins on average NOT COUNTING the winter.
Stations that suffered the most delays:
Schiphol Airport(delay almost EVERY WEEK!)
Utrecht Centraal
Amsterdam Station Zuid
Station Zaandam
Amsterdam Station Sloterdijk
Germany is a pretty big country combined with their population, they have a reason to get delayed. Delays of 4 hours are rare, so you must be really unlucky.
EDIT: AS IM typing right now there is a big delay right now AGAIN in the SAME AREA outside of the Randstad.
''Er is 1 ongeplande treinstoring op het volgende traject:
Emmen-Zwolle, Hardenberg-Almelo
(beperkingen in de materieelinzet)
Tussen Hardenberg en Mariënberg rijden minder treinen door beperkingen in de materieelinzet.
De verstoring is naar verwachting rond 19:19 uur verholpen.''
and its been going on for the past couple hours again.
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The trains are some to late because the dutch railwais are the therd bussiust in the world
haha well, at least on the day we recorded :p
Felix Schillings my ns train is always on time
3:19 not a heater. This is where the cool air of the air conditioning comes in. The heater is further down at the edge of the floor.
Also of course the wheelchair accessible toilet rooms are big. They must be. But each train only has one or two of those, the rest are just regular small size (and often out of water, toilet paper, soap or hand towels).
NS has no real food service (though in your train a person came through to sell drinks). Its biggest advantage is frequency: Most lines have very frequent trains and that sometimes around the clock. Walk up at 2, 3, 4 o'clock at night and have a train. No sleeping-cars, it's basic comfort but at least it gets you somewhere.
30 minutes delay?
In the Netherlands two Intercity and two Sprinter trains would have left with the same destination...
Average travel time by train in the Netherlands is 30 to 40 minutes, so there is no need for a restaurant, before your meal is finished you'll have to leave the train.
I mean neat but this gives an iaccurate representation.
As someone who has travelled with both companies for many, many hours, here's what should be amended:
Both agencies regularly have changes and delays.
Almost all train toilets stink. German and dutch.
The dutch IC is like the German RE (Virtually the same train except that all dutch trains have wifi)
You travelled on an old IC from the netherlands and germany.
But still, good production value!
The Dutch railwaynetwork works more like a big subwaysystem in stead of an actual train network, so naturally the requirements differ.
This is a nice comparison. I often take trains in both countries, and I would summarize it as follows:
DB trains are more comfortable but they are nearly always late. NS long distance trains are not that comfortable but they are usually on time. Another vital point is the price system which I am missing here: NS is cheaper than DB. Also, compensation in case of delays is much better with NS (NS: 30-59 mins late = 50% off, 60+ mins late = 100% off; DB: 60-119 mins late = 25% off, 120+ mins late = 50% off).
german ones wins. since the Dutch railways suspend even when its a bit foggy outside 😭😂
+alec cooks Germany on top?!
donotsettle yes, it's better. waaay better :)
Willemijn Wechstapel im just saying that the ns need to get his shit togheter since there are so many flaws
alec cooks -_-
alec cooks and then you have the Belgian railways...
The DB is ALWAYS late, so you took a representive ride. "Clean" toiletts are optional thought :D And wifi is never working or way to slow. But you get free chocolate in 1. Class which is nice!
I'm a Swiss and I like the dutch trains. They look a bit like toys from the outside, but the staff is very friendly compared to ours and I was never seriously delayed with NS. DB on the other hand... when I went to Brussels, I should've got one train from Zurich to Frankfurt and from there directly to Brussels. But because they had problems with a train, I had to take the IR to Basel, change there to an ICE to Frankfurt which left later than my train, change there from some unknown track to another unknown track for the other train which was just waiting for us and closed doors just behind me. Because it was not "my" train anymore I had lost my seat reservation and had to stand for 4 hours and so did half the carriage. So you literally couldn't move without hitting someone and everybody was angry. Since then I don't make long distance with DB anymore, I take the plane instead.
Great video, I take the DB every day because I'm living in Germany, and it's pretty good, sometimes late but in the end it's pretty good. Also I had never any problems with the NS :) But to be honest, the trains at 5:05 and 5:10 are not operated by DB. That are private regional trains, operated by transdev and Keolis (belongs to the french railway SNCF). :)
Nice me two
You can’t really compare trains from Germany and the Netherlands, because of the different requirements, distances, prices etc.
DB, late? Missed connection? Sounds about right. Ive been in germany for a bit now and I don't trust the train to be on time
the difference between the 1st class and 2nd class trains is that the red seats are adjustable, a bit like a touringcar.
There's also, if I recall correctly, a plug to charge your laptop underneath the red seats, for the 1st class in targeted to 'the traveling businessman-types', though availability is probably dependent on which train-type you board.
(for instance, in the Sprinters the only difference in 1st class and 2nd class is indeed the colour of the seat and the price of the tickets.)
maglorian in the new sprinters you have a plug in thingy for your laptop/phone etc too
I think those decorations cover up holes originally designed for coat hangers. Somehow they decided that that was no longer necessary...
You missed the Thalys and Dutch ICE, the last one is the same as the German, because they use the same trains, only different logo's and use it between Germany and The Netherlands. The first Thalys, is between France, Belgium and The Netherlands and is a joint venture between NS, the French and Belgium railways and KLM/AirFrance.
The reason the DB has a restaurant aboard their trains, is because you usually sit in a DB ferntrain (IC, ICE) for more than 4 hours, while the RB and RE (Local) trains don't need a restaurant. You can compare the dutch sprinters with the german RB trains, and the intercities with the RE trains best. I agree on the toilets, the dutch ones smell
In The Netherlands you can get all your money back after an unexpected delay of 1 hour.
And half your money after 30 minutes.(Very easy without problems)
Try the train from Amsterdam to Groningen, ancient and awful, three classes and we made the mistake of sitting in first class. Old lady looking down her nose at us and told us in a posh voice this was first class. Conductor let us stay, he was so nice, restorerd my faith that there are nice Dutch people
You were once in a Eurobahn train in Germany. That is *not* a DB train! Eurobahn is a private operator that won some regional routes. It's actually a subsidiary of the SNCF (French Railways).
Hi Simon! my bad. sorry. But thanks for letting us know :)
You got the toilet for wheelchairs in the german IC. Ordinary toilets are much smaller (except the 1St Class toilet in some older ICE)
you were really fortunate with an on-time train and working WiFi. There is always a network but often there is no or very very slow internet connection. I don't even try to connect anymore
To be fair the ICE is a long distance train, which is mostly not used for a 3 minute ride to work or something like that (at least not in my area, maybe it's different in larger cities). In germany we also have the RB (Regionalbahn) and RE (Regionalexpress), which don't have these special stuff like the ICE. The RB could be compared to the dutch ones in the video.The RE seems to me like the more convenient update of the RB.
To get from one end of the country to the other - let's compare - - - -
From Flensburg (on the Danish border) to Schöna (on the Czech border) requires up to 12 hours travelling and up to 6 changes!!!!!!
In Holland, to get from Groningen (right up north) to Maastricht (right down south on the Belgian border) requires about 4 hours, and just one change (usually at Utrecht).
So you can see that the differences are so great that it obviously must determine the type of trains you will encounter AND the on-board services you'll get.
As a Dutchy who currently lives in Germany, I have to say I find the Dutch trains (by NS) "better".
1) The Sprinters (NS) are more comparable to the regional trains, or even the metro's by DB, due the distance, speed and frequency they're driving (every 10-20 minutes). When you compare this, the NS wins in every aspect.
2) The Intercity (NS) can be compared with the IC (DB), and in this case the German trains are a better in quality, but time and frequency make them terrible (only driving once every 1-2 hours, and 15 minutes till 2 hours late is normal). Again, the Dutch trains win here.
3) The ICE by DB are more international trains, and can be found in The Netherlands as well since NS doesn't has it's own (although NS HighSpeed uses ICE, Thalys, Eurostar and other international trains). So technically the DB wins.
4) Although it's easy to compare trains, it's more important on how it's used in daily life. In The Netherlands trains are mostly used to travel relative smaller distances (avg. 48km) and shorter times (avg. 30 minutes), and there are way more trains driving in The Netherlands (19.000 km per km train track) than in Germany (11.000 km per km track).
Of course it might not be completely fair since I'm Dutch (and have higher standards regarding public transport), and I also complain(ed) when a Dutch train is 2 minutes too late, but in the short time I've lived in Germany I've waited longer on trains then in The Netherland my whole live ;)
Seeing dutch being proud of their unimportant, and a household gap having country is so funny. If you’ve got nothing to be proud of, you at least’ve got your dirty, old and stinky trains
Bla Da you are sad, pathetic imbecile who needs to get a life.
the reason the IC in germany is bigger/nicer/more luxe is because germany is way bigger and if you take the longest train ride in NL it only takes like 3 hours
4:48 that's the station of my hometown Bielefeld! Love it!
The German trains seem way nicer, but the lack of Wi-fi is a bit of a deal breaker. If I had a good book to read I would probably have to go with German trains, but on a day to day basis i just need that wi-fi.
Btw, the newest generation of sprinters in the Nederlands also has wi-fi. I can't imagine the germans holding of on this feature forever though, and once they implement on board wifi there really is no contest.
Since the beginnig of 2017 there is free wifi in all ICE's. Some of the newer private local trains also have free wifi (mostly private railway, for example enno in east-Lower Saxony).
well the new dutch sprinters also have wifi on board. And of corse am i the lucky bastard who got those new sprinters all the time :P
Thats because in germany was a law until two or three years ago that prevented companys/public places to open theire internet to the public. Companys where made liable for illegal activities on theire network.
@@ObiWahnKnobi There isn't even an internet connection on your phone in Germany, let alone wifi lol.
at 5:10, that is not a DB Train but Eurobahn operated by Keoli's group. It's a completely different train operator from Db and therefore you can't put it in comparison
I am so confused. It’s NEVER quiet in NS trains. I usually have to stand OR get a first class ticket. It’s only okay 2 hours before or after rush hour. But it’s NEVER ‘quiet.’
the delay is proof why the comparison isn't fair. 2,5 hours of delay would for example be impossible in the Netherlands, simply because taking another route with other trains/busses will always be quicker. the Netherlands is much smaller and trains travel smaller distances. I take the train every day to school and it takes 35 minutes to get to my destination, which is actually considered a long time by many people.
ice train is in the Netherlands as well.. also, once a train doesn't come on time, doesn't mean anything. dutch trains are always late in the morning
in the end there is no choice. when in the netherlands, it's NS. when in germany, it's DB. you can't choose which train you board normally. you buy a ticket, go to the platform, and get on the train.
well NS has couple units of ICE T trains tho (borrowed from DB) but only for certain routes
I‘m german and I really don’t know about dutch trains or train system, but it must be better than here in Germany, because „Deutsche Bahn“ is a desaster.
In the weekends there is often maintenance being done on the Dutch railways because there are less passengers. This can cause outages and reroutes. Sometimes you will have to take a bus.
DB is on time too, unless there's bauarbeiten or an accident in the middle of the journey that will slowing you down.
Yes, it's all to do with distance, as your other viewers have already pointed out.
The average distance and the average amount of time you spend on a Dutch train, is just a "local journey" compared to the equivalent in Germany.
Lol! In Queensland our stations are super close sometimes only a kilometer and a half away from each other. It still takes 3 hours in Holland from top to bottom when our services in Queensland is that we are a bigger place, our commuters go 80 km/h so it takes about 3 hours from Brisbane airport to redcliffe by train. However it would only take 1 and half hours if we want as fast as Holland!!
In the netherlands there are also a few extremely close stations, i live in the city of helmond 7 km east of eindhoven and 2 of our 4 trainstions are just about 1km away from eachother, when you are at one of them you can see the other trainstation in the distance.
@@Lunavii_Cellest yeah..and i really didnt expect my comment to be 2 years old now. thats actually depressing to me, wayyy too fast does time go... anyway yeah, i can see a lot of my stations that i go on- but theres only 10 of them that are close together. on our network, its kind of like a tree. the centre/stump is the central parts of brisbane, and the branches take up a good few amount of networks if that makes sense. those branched things are really close together sometimes stationwise.
...now, compare these with the UK. Go up north for the wonderful 1980s buses that run on rails, and down south for trains that are always on strike! The intercity is a different story, our 1975 HSTs are the most comfortable trains I have ridden on in this country.
Like for the Netherlands!
I don't think you have much choice. In NL you have to go with NS, and in Germany with DB. So what's the point of this debate.
Actually, when it comes to regional services DB is by far not the leading company in Germany anymore.
NS will get you from A to B and DB will do it in style
as being dutch i kind honestly say...GERMAN
You either have the option of little to no 2nd class seats...or no toilets in the netherlands.
Half to 3/4 of the time they run late or their is some work that needs to be done. And when it rains, snows, leafs are on the tracks or its to hot their are always problems.
Sprinter isn't a smaller train, but a train that stops at every train station on the way, unlike the Intercity's and the HSL-trains.
just saying.
"always on time'" HAHHAHAHA NS
SCRUMBAGS Almost always on time.
Im not sure but the reason we are always on time its cuz sometimes if we are late we have a trainway that goes up and then down so the train goes faster so we are 1 or 2 minutes faster then normal
to be fair, Germany is alot bigger so train rides are longer, so they have to be more comfortable. the Dutch are alot more sober and our longest train ride from North to south is like 3-4 hours. so we don't really have the need for restaurants etc
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the restaurant thing on german trains is nice but ofcourse germany is much larger then the netherlands so the trip could take much much longer and yes then ofcourse a possibility to eat is very good. in the netherlands its not really needed cuz ofcourse its a small country. and the bigger train stations also have restaurants or places to get food if you are really hungry
DB Plus: Extensive Rail Network, clean High Speed Trains/Intercitys, No obligatory "Big brother is watching you plastic tickets": you can still buy paper tickets from the machine. DB Minus: Many unkempt, vandalized train stations, their-time table is rubbish, apart from the S Bahn, no train runs more frequently than once an hour. Delays are sometimes huge (140 minutes are no exception for long distance trains).
NS Plus: Clean and up to date train stations. In EVERY train free WiFi, at least two trains per hour in every direction (as of 2018, 8 (!) intercitys per hour Amsterdam-Utrecht-Eindhoven v.v.), no compulsary reservation in Intercitys. NS Minus: Trains not clean, overloaded railnetwork, therefore many many (short) delays, terrible ticket-check in-check out (privacy!) system. Overall, I prefer the Dutch system, for their frequent train running, the German system for their (on board) service, well trained personal and cleanliness.
NS: Intercity, Sprinter, High Speed trains, stoptrein which basically stops everywhere
ICE is not to compare to the intercity but more to the FYRA
I would have liked as part of the comparison to see the pricing per distance travelled. ICE seems nicer than InterCity, but if the price is 2x, it should be a lot nicer no?
The ultimate best train in the world is M152. It has seats for 50 passengers and its maximal speed are incredible 80 km/h. It was made in 1975-1982, and you can still find 244 trains this type known as Motorový Vůz 810 in function in Czech Republic (and 22 in Slovakia). It has engine from bus, especially LIAZ, which was normal bus from the roads. It's the most "quiet" train I've ever been in. 😂😂😃😂
Hope you'll travel with in train. It has cheap tickets, from Pardubice to Hradec Králové (20km) you can get for only 1,99$ 😅. (Something for Horst Fuchs)
The DB trains are ofc more luxurious because they have to travel a longer distance, Germany is larger then the Netherlands so you spend more time in those trains.
you must travel in the morning in the Netherlands, the trains are rarely on time.
also, the NS has it's own ICE trains too.
not true, you just make it sound worse then it is, go to belgium, then you start to love the NS
You forgot about the power sockets! DB trains have power sockets in 2nd class, Dutch only has them in 1st class, i think that's quite a biggy. I think the German trains overal are more comfortable and tidy, and the restaurant is a real plus, though quite expensive.
I cannot comment on German trains but Netherlands trains run like clockwork. Close on time. Well done Netherlands. You clearly have a quality approach!
realy comparing an sprinter wich is meant for small distances to a ICE train wich is ment for large distances als the ice train is way newer then the "older" dutch sprinter
the NS even has the excuse "there are leaves on the railway, so we have to slower." WTF NS GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER
That's the same in all countries where there is a real autumn, leaves are a big problem.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_rail
Maybe a bit more in Holland since because of the busy schedule here, no time to clean in between trains. But they complain for instance in England just as hard!!!
and wooow DB showed themselves from their usual side with the delay
I hope that you know that the ic and the ice are Dutch and german trains they start in the Nederlands and stop in germany or the other way around
DB and BVG in Berlin account for the worst public transport system I have used in my life, including the network in Sofia, Bulgaria.
Trains are constantly late or cancelled with very short notice. On several occasions, every single train in a given direction was cancelled indefinitely (for example Tiergarten - Schönefeld, and we had to call an expensive taxi, although my guests had already bought their ABC day tickets. Another example is between Ostkreuz and the entire East for nearly a full day).
Another insane thing they do is switching the tracks and directions of the trains with little to no announcement. You can go into the ubahn (the German metro) and the train just goes in the opposite direction, leaving you totally perplexed. Things are even worse with the tram. One time we boarded the M17 from Ikea and it just went the opposite direction. It was dark, so we ended up an hour away from home.
It does not matter if they include stupic gimmicks. Their service is very poorly run and I am sure they can not hold a candle to the Netherlands. As I said, Bulgarians are better at it, so I have little doubt the Dutch are decades ahead. I took the train in Amsterdam a few times over a month but that is not enough to draw conclusions. The trains were always on time, however, which is almost never the case in Berlin.
What happened to you, with the 2h delay, is not an isolated case. It's just a part of life here.
ice also drives in the netherlands and the NS also owns a few of these trains
He compared the the ICE service with the normal NS ?
You cannot really compare Intercity Trains because speed and service level differs. Dutch Sprinter is like German Regionalbahn (RB). But Dutch Intercity is like German Regionalexpress (RE). German Intercity and ICE has no Dutch equivalent.
(sorry for my bad english)
you can get your ticket price from the Deutsche Bahn back, because the delay in Rheine :D
you have to fill the form "Fahrgastrechte-Formular" from Deutsche Bahn ;)
By the way great video!
www.bahn.de/p/view/service/auskunft/fahrgastrechte/fahrgastrechte-formular.shtml
Hey how do you know we got delay in Rheine??? recognize from station? :D
thank you for the info! amazing service!
And the same service applies to NS as well ;) (allthough I never needed to use it) .
A delay longer than 30 minutes entitles you to a certain cashback and longer delays (>60 minutes) can mean you get the money from your journey back completely, but terms do apply.
We always get a ICE train in the Netherlands from Germany it goes to Arnhem Utrecht and Amsterdam
We also have French trains in Amsterdam Thalys
the NS also use green trains or electric trains which is better for the enviorment
Both are a damn side better than any British train.
That’s not difficult, before long even India will have a better rail service than the UK 😉
we in the Netherlands dont have a café ons board the train becase we dont have long trips to make than the need in germany
You only checked two trains of each company. The newer sprinters (which are actually called sprinters, you used a old fashioned 'stoptrein') have fabric and floating seats aswell. The toilets are ok on both, but it depends on how much people violated them. You are totally wrong on the being on time: NS is most known for being late (although that's often in autumn because of suicide acts) and DB is generally on time. Last but not least: as far as I know you have to pay for the internet at DB and NS has wifi in all new trains (almost all of them), meaning not all intercities and the newer sprinters.
WiFi is terrible on NS train, unless the train is empty...
onee True...
I think the diffrence in comfort is explained by the fact that your train ride will probably be much longer in Germany. Because in the Netherlands population density is much higher, which results in places being closer to each orther thus resulting in shorter train rides.
As a dutch person I am a little bit jeaulous of the inside of the train but the other things are in my opinion better
Het vergelijken van de treinen op zich Is prima. Maar wat mijn op valt Is dat je volgens mij NS gewoon toilet vergelijkt met een DB invalide toilet. Is dus al niet eerlijk. En de ICE rijdt ook tussen Amsterdam en Arnhem, mag je gewoon gebruik van maken, vergeet alleen dan niet de toeslag te kopen.
the flowers were emergency brakes
Hard to compare, regarding the size of both countries