Roland KDA22 Or Drumtec Real Feel Mesh Head With A Trigger? (65 Questions Ep. 4)
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- Опубліковано 26 чер 2024
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I went down the same road with turning the acoustic kick drum. I also ended up with the KD-A22. You are correct with the outstanding triggering and feel. I have a UFO kick trigger with a 3ply head on another kick.........that works pretty darn well, but the KD-A22 edges that out
Awesome info, been thinking about upgrading my kick. Thanks for sharing, great show as always.
Great video, Justin! For our kick trigger, I bought a cone and piezo then googled an image of what the KD-140 looks like inside and built a plate that I mounted inside a cheap kick drum with some foam. Instant Roland kick! Works great...
Grest Video! Love the Q&A Videos
a great Q & A Justin! have a good day!
@65drums a great very cost effective option for preventing your hi hat rod from spinning. Head to home depot with the rod and grab a locking washer and two matching nuts. Screw them higher up on the threads. Screw down your rod and then tighten the lock washer and the two nuts down. Most commonly its a 7mm nut you need but, JIC bring the rod with you. Cost you a few bucks at most, cheaper than a pack of thread lock. This is the exact setup axis pedals use to keep their spring's in place.Also, if your using the threadlocker over time it will backout. If you do decide to use it make sure to not use the hi-hat for 24 hours for the thread locker to cure. I use it for pocket knives and any vibrations before the liquid has time to set will disturb the bond and just gunk up your threads.
For the rotating top hi-hat - I use a Gear Tie (It's a section of wire coated with rubber about 12" long) I twist one end around the jack coming out of the cymbal and twist the other end around the hi-hat base/stand forming kind of a C shape. It is flexible so the cymbal can move but firm enough to keep the cymbal in place. Once attached just twist your cymbal to the desired position and that's it. My hi-hat hasn't moved since I've done it.
Love Your Vid's, I am a serious follower. . . . Thanks for all your awesome info, I am wondering your thoughts on tm-6 from Roland and also the kt-10? I rented a td17 kvs, arrived at a gig out of town and the kick did not work. The kd-10 trigger worked but the cable running to it did not. I had to pull the tom cable and ran that all night. I didn't know how to switch the tom to a kick sound. Terrible gig that turned out to be a great show in-spite of all the issues. Thanks for your help in advance, Ken
Love your channel Justin without a doubt you've been really helpful regarding edrum kits and my plans on converting a kit!
If you have time could you please tell me your thought about my initial plan on a converted edrums kit,
I am currently thinking about
-R drums rts spider trigger system for the snare.
-jobecky side-mounted triggers for all 3 toms
-havent decided for the kick drum yet but thinking about the dd drum redshot(this is where I really need your opinion)
-and drum tec design mesh heads for all shells with of course roland cymbals on a cheap but good looking acoustic kit.
what are your thoughts and really love your channel, keep up the good work!
For the spinning hi hat rods: take the top rod to the hardware store and find a nut that fits it. Install nut onto top rod, screw rod into base rod and then tighten nut against bottom receiver. Or use Loctite!!
I find your material very informative. I've been playing drums 40 plus year and am recently getting involved in a wedding band setting. The group insists on electric drums so I'm doing some research. I'm leaning toward a Roland td17 with a a22 on a kick. I thin
Great video Justin
I have a question would the Roland Rt-30 triggers work well with drum tec real feel mesh heads
Hey just want to say that the alesis pro x hihat works great with a simple change to the top cymbal. I replaced mine with a roland cy12 and upgraded my module to atv ad5. Best ehats i have played.
It would be nice to see the extra parts you have collected over the years and what you come up with to make you own components.
Another great one! I have a question - What are your thoughts on how soon we will start seeing drum VSTs that runs off of an iPad or Android tablet? Are the tablets powerful enough for this? And how likely are we to start seeing audio/MIDI interfaces that connect to iPads and tables so that this is even possible?
Hi Justin , really appreciating your knowledge on this topic. I’m thinking about converting from acoustic to electronic. Small jam and recording space , drummers killing us with the volume . Thanks for the vids
Dude its impressive to see how your channel has grown
Thanks man! It's really not very big, but the people that watch are really cool :)
The intro is not quite my tempo
For the spinning hi hat, I found out using a hi hat clutch to lock down the rod make it last much longer without spinning, just because of the grip and tension it gives I believe
Love your stuff, I am learning so much. I have a bit of a convoluted question, hopefully you can understand. I am a newbe drummer, less then a year. I have an old Yamaha’s DTX 500 I think. I bought it from a friend who’s son gave up drums. I love the Roland VAD 506, except the $6,000 Canadian price tag. I’m thinking of making a hybrid set. I found an old Orbiton kit. It has everything plus it is red. The best sounding drum kits are red. LOL. I like the Roland TD17 SKX module. I can pick one up on eBay for about $730 CDN, or $850 CDN from a drum store. But I was thinking on starting by cannibalism my DTX kit for the module and cymbals. I’ve found a set of UKS Audio 2 ply mesh pads and a Red Shot Trigger pack of triggers. If I cannibals I get this done probably within two weeks for around $700.00 CDN. But, here is the million dollar question, is it all compatible? I realize it will not be a VAD 506, and it will only be as strong as the module. But if I like I can buy the Roland TD17 module and have a hybrid kit pretty similar to a Roland TD17 SKX. If I don’t like I can convert back. Your thoughts please.
Love the channe. Can you please confirm if the drum splitter would work on td17. I thought it doesn't work.with the module. Also does the td17 kvx rack has enough room for 1up 2 down set up. Thanks.
Another great video, Just throwing this out there for the ones considering the KD-A22, have been using it for almost 2 years, works very well and have a no issues with it at all, and second to Bicross Craptalk, I put teflon tape on the hi hat stand a long time ago and has worked great ever since
Does it damage as easy as the kd10? I've damaged my foam and get inconsistent triggering but I've only had the kd10 for 10 months
Hey Justin,
Is there any advantage to having a drum module capable of positional sensing if it is being used to trigger sounds in a VST? For that matter, is there any advantage any drum module has over another once MIDI comes into play other than the number of inputs and latencey?
Keep up the great work!
-Jamie
I converted a 20" Ludwig bass drum with a Silentstroke, Evans eq patch and 2 pillows. Put a Roland rt10k on top and it works surprisingly well. Felt similar but better to a kd140 on a td50 I tried.
Thank you for this! Currenly I do some gigging with my TD11 and find the 'tower' gives no stage presence, so I was kicking around the options of the KDA22, buying a cheap kick and coverting it to a mesh/trigger setup, or even just setting up a dummy kick to sit in front of the kick 'tower'.
I considered that too. Even a fake front would look way better. Then you can put your bands logo or something on there.
What is the best way to amplify an electronic drum kit and what do you recommend reguards Steve
hi mate,im one of your subscribers i just wanna ask if roland Go mixer works on yamaha when it come to recording?THANKS have a good one
You can put a nut on the thread of the hi hat rod and use it to lock down the rod where it screws into the lower half
Oh and Justin how did the drum tech pro heads compare to go edrums ? And triggering, was the ufo almost as good as rdrums trigger bar?
Do ATV cymbals work with Alesis modules such as the Alesis crimson II and the DM 10 mkii pro
So the slam patch i have on my bass drum mesh head is peeling off do you know what the best kind of glue is to glue it back on?
What beaters are best for the Roland KDA22. Mesh or rubber?
Hey Justin, does the Roland td 25 come with the LA sound edition or is that a separate deal?
Hey Justin, what do you think of buying an Alesis crimson model II, and upgrading th cymbals later on?
in regard to
the KD-A22 and recommendations for a 20" kick?
Hi. I have a Pearl Compact Traveler kit I am looking into convert into an electronic kit. It includes an 18", two 10" (tom and a snare), and a 14" tom. The snare I plan on converting is a 5x13 rhythm traveler snare. Do you have any suggestions as to modules, triggers, and mesh heads? Thanks in advance for your help!
Mr. presiding judge, I‘d like to state that I used to have almost any VST expansion in the past, but I‘ve constantly bought and sold many of them again. So, I hope this counts to my defense. 😉
Hahaha 😂 I view you as the real expert here. I’m just jealous of your extensive collection 😉
Hey Justin I have Roland TD 25. Do you know if it’s compatible with MT power drum 2?? Do I need to download midi drivers or something?
Hey Justin, I have a Roland SPD-S, a KD-7, an FD-8 and a Handsonic. I want a full kit experience. Should I get a V drum kit or just add some pads to my gear?
Hi,Sorry for my english,im from Hungaria.
I Wanna buy the drumit three Drum modul but i dont find on the internet a really good review
What do you think about the modul?thanks have an awesome day!!!
Hey Justin, referring to your kda220 drum tech Mesh head swap. What about using a Drum-tec(design or real feel) head on a Roland kd200 and cutting a hole and mounting the kd200 trigger in a mesh head instead of the nylon to keep the factory trigger? The mesh head would be quieter than the factory nylon head but would it withstand the holes cut into it ?
Quality wise, I am going to buy an edrum kit. I have to have 2 toms up and 2 down. Should I buy the ef-note 3x or the Roland VAD 307 and just add another floor tom? Please anyone throw me some advice?
Hey buddy, the Yamaha RHH135 works on the DTX430K? I tryed to ask Yamaha but they ignored me...
Roland 50k or atv adrums artist standard or expanded. I play a lot of different genres. Do a video on this please!
Hey justin , love what you doing for the community. My question is i have seen alot of harte 6.5 up on ebay , do you think the triggering system is still on par with roland or yamaha or should i pass on them. Thank you
Hey thanks Vincent! I've always like hart Dynamics, they make really really solid stuff. I don't have experience with the 6.5 set but I'd say it's probably a great set
what are the best upgrades for a yamaha dtx430k?
Hey Justin.
To avoid the rotation of the Hi-hat stand Rod, you can simply use some Teflon tape (Normally used to leak-proof water pipe joint). That's easy to remove or replace, it doesn't stick to the metal so it doesn't make a mess when you remove it, and if you put enough of it on the thread, it will be pretty hard to unscrew by itself :)
hope it helps !
Great content by the way !
I need to send you a PM with my own home-designed 3D printed sensors support i've made for my AtoE Hybrid Kit :)
Bicross Craptalk can also put a lock nut in the thread them tighten too.
Will also work, indeed :)
I’m struggling with buying the KD-180 or building my own. I don’t love putting in a foam trigger bridge setup because of foam issues with time. Anybody tried the Pearl TruTrack? I’m thinking how bad could it be? It’s cheap-ish, easy, and I don’t have to buy an expensive mesh head either...I’d love to buy a $150 drum and be done with the whole thing for another $100-$150, which is tough with a good mesh head and a good internal trigger.
Justin I took a Roland kd8 and mounted it inside a kick drum shell and cut a hole in the head bam done great feel and accurate triggering worked very well would compare it to your kick for hundreds cheaper
How did you anchor the KD-8 inside? Would love to see a pic.
Great idea
Hey Bud, Have you ever tried any Native Instruments software for triggering? Battery or Kontakt? I feel like you are leaving a huge community out of the picture. I believe that there is a free downloadable Kontakt player for you to test.
ps:: there is still the "Beat Buddy" as an inexpensive drum brain, for you to test....load your own samples, assign zones and notes...load MIDI song files to, for practice...you are missing out.
Hey Justin what I’m trying to do is get a drum kit that focuses heavily on the pads/cymbals etc. because since I’m getting a drum software (EZD2) I don’t need to worry about the default sounds too much. Just something with a MIDI USB. What kit can I get where the cost comes mostly from the parts and not the module? ($800-1100 & not Alesis). Thanks!
Also I don’t mind if it’s used
Which hi hat should I use with my Alesis DM10MK2 studio, Alesis pro x or the VH11
RAPS_ RULES!!!! vh11 for sure
owning the kd-a22 I will say its rather loud, just as loud as a heavily muffed normal kick drum. Worst for me was it didnt fit a trick pro-v1 big foot pedal. The metal hoop is shallow and scalloped. So it didnt fit my pedal well and is as loud as a regular drum. I decided to go back to my standard bass drum with muffing and an acoustic trigger. I play all metal anyways so its always triggered. Comparing the kda22 to my Roland Kd-140 I like the KD140 better as well. Hooked up to a Td50. Save your money and just use a regular kick and lots of pillows. It will be quieter, feel better, trigger great and be cheaper.
You just saved me some time! Thanks! /,,/
So jobeky kick triggers are a bust Justin?
Justin I have $700. Should I buy the roland td 1kv or the td 4kp
Hi Justin: I'm still looking into buying an electronic drum set. My ears aren't well trained enough to be able to determine the difference. In terms of what I should look for, is there anything I should be paying attention when listening to the sounds? I'm not exactly looking for a beginner kit, but rather something I can record with.
Calron1988 what is your budget though that would help out so much
Right now my budget is $1200. I'm looking at a Roland TD 11 KV on clearance for $1000
for next week's video:
$1000 top budget- which module to buy... AD5, Strike, Drumit 3?
or if anyone has insight on this i guess just comment:)
Hi Justin nice video! Is there a particular reason why the TD25 module costs almost twice than the td 17 module? According to Drum-tec "The TD-25 is the perfect sound module for the "drummer purists" - What does it mean?
Filipe Soeiro Ive played one. I thought it sounded pretty good but its limited. You cant split pads and only 1 extra input I believe.
Actually I didn't so thanks for replying. cheers!
Surely a direct drive hi-hat stand would never spin right?
Hey there! Im looking for a good advice, I own a TD 1KV, Id like to upgrade my kit to a set that has a kick pedal with the tower because I'd like to improve my 16th notes for bass drums whats a good option and not too pricey from the most popular e-drums like Roland, Alesis or Yamaha, thank you in advance in between great channel!
Marco Cruz You could buy an Alesis Surge Mesh kit (around 600), which has relatively big mesh pads for the price, but a low quality module, an Alesis Forge, which has a better module but rubber pads (I think it's a bit cheaper, around 525/550). However, these kits dont have the best modules ever, but for the price they do their job. Imo, I would the forge kit. Hope it helped :D
Manuel gonzalez rubio thank you it helped a bit I prefer the mesh head over rubber pads but I wonder if this kick towers from the alesis are solid?
Marco Cruz well, Alesis is general is not the most durable company. Ive had a DM6 for around 7 years now and the 2nd year the kick tower died. However, I got it fixed for around 20 bucks and it has been working flawlessly since then. So, if you are really concerned about durability, you should take these things into account. However, all in all I think that in this price Alesis is unbeatable
Manuel gonzalez rubio you mentioned the module again I wonder in what aspect is not good. I pretty much set my kit sound to standard and I'm happy with it I don't mind if it has 600 sounds and doing nothing with all of them but I'll keep in mind your reply about the kick cause that's my concerned at the moment.
Marco Cruz Well, modules are good or not depending on several factors, the most important and noticeable of them being the sound quality. The other ones are about the number of inputs and the degree to which you can tweak the sounds in order to make them more personal and good-sounding. All in all, I say the forge module is better due to the sounds being of a higher quality and having more options to make your own sounds
Who is your favorite drummer and why? And are you in a band or working on original material?
good question! I hope he does this one
Using the KDA-22, setting as described in manual. Problem, it triggers with the softest touch. What's the remedy?
Just go into your trigger settings and reduce the cross-talk sensitivity or reduce the trigger threshold sensitivity.
What do you have your TD30 X-Talk & Threshold set at?
you ever check out BFD3?
I still need to spend more time with Superior Drummer 3, haven't had the time to check out BFD3 yet
@@65Drums When you can check it out i have and yea i think its better the those because you get more of a raw sound then the others
Hey Justin, im thinking about buyinh the Alesis DM10 MKII. Havr you played it, and if so, would you recommend it?
I've played one, I thought it was pretty sweet. I'm primarily a guitar and bass player.
Evan Sales nice, thanks ^^
My dream is a TD50 with every input filled. I'll probably never have one though, since my ass is broke. I like playing my drummers drums, but I'm a noob. The Alesis that I played was a real pleasure. It wasn't a new one though, it's pretty old at this point.
Evan Sales Same, but I may not even be able to afford the MkII, so yeah... Broke af 😂😂😂
a broke musician??? NO WAY! hahaha. Seriously though, I hope you get your hands on something awesome, and sooner rather than later.
What’s the “65” in 65 Drums stand for?
down2alpha I believe he said it was a phrase in the bible.
He's a old boii, 1965
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Stick with acoustic if you can I say. Any good electronic set is just too much cash.