Those 3 idiots dancing there are embarassing to look at... All of what Starfield was remind me of Afterlife clube in Omega in ME2. And compare this sht ass club with any of the clubs in Cp77 is stupid, the one they show here is the worst one of the Cp77 clubs, is literally a factory turned into a club by the Maelstrom (it fits pretty well with the lore tough).
Yeah I agree. You can go most of the game without a loading screen. The game only has loading screens when you fast travel or when time has to progress - like waiting for a certain time of day to start a mission. This makes sense tho because it has to load the change in weather and atmosphere
@@mastah39 There's like two elevators between your appartment and Totentanz. That's not even 10% of the loading time spent in any Bethesda game. And it's way more immersive on top of that...
starfield's nightclub is deadass a middle school dance where nobody's really having a good time but you can't go home cause your parents aren't picking you up for another two hours
@@dantethecharred If you say it is nightclub I agree, cyberpunk is much better. But Astral Lounge is indeed lounge not a nightclub. And Aurora is halucinogenic drug and believe me you really would not want to be in nightclub high af. The whole video just looks like comparison between GtaV submarines and ocean exploring and Subnautica. If you understand me.
@@Paces7552 Sure, maybe it’s like comparing apples and oranges in this specific category, but dude, have you seen combat comparisons? Dialogue comparisons? Starfield is outshined by Cyberpunk in almost all categories. Bethesda just lazy.
@@dantethecharred Visual effects and audio effects in nowday Cyberpunk sure. But you cant forget its catastrophic launch. Starfield on launch had almost no bugs.
The key difference is that in Starfield the NPCs constantly bring up how much fun they are having in dialogue while Cyberpunk let’s the NPCs actually have fun
I'm having so much fun reading these comments! If only there was a way I could show this without needing to explicitly tell you... Nah, as Todd always says, tell, don't show. That way the fanboys know exactly how good things are.
"It's blowing my mind." - a typical statement said in a club by a human being, which is made of flesh and enjoys typical human activities like breathing oxygen.
aint no way any of you believe cyberpunk "clubs" arent also dull, have no vibes and barely any people right? The only time theres any people is in cutscenes, otherwise its just dead and doesnt even have a proper sound system
So true bro. You know a night club is the shit if it has the following: Cramped as hell Loud ass music Loud ass people Can't hear anything more than 3 ft away
You mean there's only so much you can squeeze out of a game that is essentially just an officially released total conversion mod for a game that came out like fifteen years ago, because the engine is at least that old? I genuinely don't understand how people got excited for this after the first few gameplay vids dropped. Anyone who's played conversion mods for Skyrim or Fallout 4 could tell you that's what this looked like, with space elements thrown in behind some loading screens. Actually that's not quite true, it's actually WORSE than those conversion mods because those conversion mods kept the best elements of the UI and other QoL-improvement mods the rest of the community had already made, whereas this went back to slow buggy clunky console port menus and controls.
my husbands friend gets real world mad that people wont play this game or other open world NOTHINGNESS space games that bug and break and heat my pc to melting point. he takes it as a personal insult that no one wants to play a dog shit game. idk why games like that are even popular. and then grown ass men with children spend 5k on a space ship gaming rig while their wife struggles to buy formula or they go without so he can have his toys. its just such an awful money pit based on the male obsession with being the tribe leader of space wilderness. @@thehoerscorral8565
@@thehoerscorral8565exactly. I was laughing when i saw the gameplay footage videos. There is no drive to play the game and if you play its extremely underwhelming and tree flaws are overly noticeable. Genuinely surprised they greenlit this idea even lol. Go back to making elder scolls
1:05 i love how the player's dad is just there for no reason, like how lame must a nightclub be for your middle aged dad to just hang out there unprompted
It's not only about Bethesda's vision of sci-fi to be honest. Their technology is stuck in 2011. That's the thing. An indie compagny could produce a better nightclub in a couple of hours.
What Cyberpunk also gets right what most other games don't is the TYPE of music played at night clubs. It's very fast, layered, and bass/percussion centered. They probably just purchased the rights to some pre-existing songs or worked with an actual music producer. It's the exact kind of techno you'd hear in Berlin, Amsterdam or Krakow's club basements at 4 AM. Meanwhile there is Starfield with the fruity loops ass Sims 3 elevator music type beat lmao
What is even more wild, the music that plays before you enter the club is better than what is played inside. The door of Madam Savage plays the best music in Starfield 🙂
Correct me if I'm wrong but almost all of the music in the game was produced by real talented artists, specifically for the game. take 4AEM by Grimes or the new songs like choke hold and walk of shame by Idris Elba
They literally contracted Nina Kraviz for some of the songs. With this said, not all nightclubs are necessarily this kind of techno. You can even have way more pop/dance/commercial pieces. Yet bugthesda managed to impress, by pretending the kind of sound you could hear in a waiting room is hip and fun.
It's absolutely incredible that multiple people at Bethesda, and after Cyberpunk was released for a long time already as well, thought the most awesome thing you can have in a club is 3 dudes in teletubby outfits in the middle
It’s crazy how there’s only three big cities and none of them could be detailed because all the development went into generating thousands of world seeds
@@SpookySpice6419 Imagine working 5 years on a trainwreck and being todd who waited 20+ yesrs to make this, only for anyone to shit on it and use it as a new measurement for bad games. Im sure the people at bethesda feel even more destroyed than after the fallout 76 debacle
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Cyberpunk innovated and did new things. Bethesda just makes what they already know how to make and never improves. Any hype I had left for the eventual release of TES6 is gone. Even when it finally comes out, I don't think it'll be good by today's standards.
Not only are there multiple nightclubs in Cyberpunk, each with their own vibe and clientele, they also get more or less crowded depending on the time of day - like actual nightclubs. At around 7:00 AM all you're going to find in there are janitors cleaning up the afterparty on an empty dancefloor, and around 02:00 AM the club is full, the music changing depending on where you are in the building, there are people doing drugs in the bathrooms, etc. And yes, this was the same on release. Starfield has absolutely no excuse.
Las discotecas y lugares nocturnos de Cyberpunk 2077 son asi porque el juego lo requería, Starfield en cambio no requería lugares tan llenos y frenéticos y por eso no son asi. Es facil de entender. No tiene sentido comparar dos juegos que son distintos.
@@X3455.bruuuuh..... Cope harder lol They are both ambitious open world RPGs we are literally comparing apples to apples and starfield is mealy as fuck with no flavor.
@@SerfsUp1848 Although they are of the same genre, they are not the same, nor are Horizon or The Witcher. Each one has its own characteristics, so it makes no sense to compare them.
@@X3455.home boy tried comparing The Witcher and Horizon together. Like... What? They are vastly different. Even comparing Starfield & Cyberpunk aren't exactly the same. Comparing Starfield against Mass Effect, Star Citizen, No Man's Sky make more sense.
Some write that the Starfield developers have never seen a nightclub in their lives. Having played this game for more than 20 hours, I can say that they generally have very little idea of how people live and interact with each other.
They’re not "AAA writers" Bethesda don’t have writers, their gales are written by designers. Emil pagliarulo has been writing bethesda games since oblivion and he might be the shittier writer earth has ever seen.
@@GesuspieceI never went to parties in High School and I could make a better nightclub than StarField... Cyberpunk nailed the atmosphere because when you're in clubs and you have headphones on, you can't hear any NPCS just the blasting of the music.. PROJEKT RED nailed the atmosphere
One thing I love but never see mentioned about cyberpunk is how natural and fluid the dialogues are. For example during this mission in the video, you go talk to kerry in his appartment, take the elevator down, get in your car and drive to the club, walk towards in entrance as the music gets louder and talk to the guys in front, the girl arrives, takes you in, you walk with her across the entire club, go upstairs, talk to brick, leave the club with Nancy, and all of this without a SINGLE CUT, interruption or loading screen. You don't even need to click on a button to start a conversation, the dialogue just happens naturally as you look at someone, and it makes everything feel so connected together, the game never takes control away from you to zoom on the NPCs face, there is not one camera cut between dialogues and gameplay, you can do 10 quests in a row and feel like it was all part of the same giant quest because everything you do flows in such a natural and immersive way
Agreed, and the character's movement is also way more natural. You don't get the 'talking head syndrome' like with Bethesda as everything just happens around you. Everything feels dynamic as if you are really a part of the environment while exploring an entire city.
They showcase this from the very start of the of the game. When you go to the Mox club to talk to Evelyn, before you actually meet either of them, you can see Judy talking to someone else at the bar and can even see her ears perk up when you mention Evelyn’s name to the bartender.
Bethesda's condescension condensed into a single sentence. Show me people fucked up on the stuff instead of checking a box that says "tell player drugs are being consumed"
Best part is, the club in Cyberpunk isn't even in a main mission. It's not typical AAA-game nonsense where 90% of the effort is spent on the main content they know all the players will encounter. Instead, you have to go waaay down the rabbit-hole of side missions for a specific character, you only meet near the end of the game, to ever end up in this place. And they STILL went hard with it!
There wasn't a loading screen to get into the nightclub! The best thing about this game is replaying it after watching Edgerunners and finding every scene in the anime happens in a real area in the game world. The Totentanz is one of them.
And on that note, if you don’t save one random guy from a cage away from the main pathway (on the Royce mission), this club is closed forever after this mission, so the devs went to all this effort knowing most players would never actually spend any time in it. CDPR are truly the best.
@@kaimeridius3849 correction, if brick and royce are both dead its closed permanently, _except_ you can also start a fight when talking royce/brick which closes it and theres even a few unique weapons you cant get outside of a totentanz fight (or the weapon guy in dogtown but shh)
Facts even the fixer gigs (their version of the repetitive grindy missions) have their own mini stories that go along with them, rather than being just an objective completer
The other cool thing about Cyberpunk is that there are several clubs, and all have their own unique style to them that fits the narrative of the game. Lizzie's, Heavy Hearts, Empathy, Riot, Totentanz, The Afterlife. Each one with a unique style and attention given to make them feel like real places that people would actually go to.
A lot of it was the fan made music. Rezodrone has some bangers, "Kill The Messenger", "Disorder". Then they have other bangers from various artists "Makes Me Feel Better". I could actually see myself in a drug trip raving to this song.
@@setcheck67ahaha I fucking hate loads of the music but it’s so immersive I totally buy that it’s what artists are composing in this world and I love the fact that I personally would hate to be alive in that time, but my character doesn’t have to MYbe hates a strong word I’m just more of a downbeat mellow person, it serves its purpose tremendously
The game is really uneven. The environmental detail in some areas can be dense and even amazing in Starfield. There’s a lot of cool detail in places like Cydonia for example. Then you have New Atlantis which looks and runs like a PS3 game.
Fun fact - The nighclub shown in Cyberpunk has lore behind it as well from in-game logs. Apparently the sound we hear is just white noise. Those who actually have implants and cybernetics to translate the noise, hears the actual music.
Bruh I love this about cyberpunk. There are background events and stories happening around EVERYTHING you do, and it's totally up to you to indulge in exactly as much lore and story as you want! If you find a particular mission extra interesting, more often than not there are shards lying around with dialogue and orders and announcements and it makes everything feel so ALIVE
The Totentanz is also well known for ending each night with a high body count. Kinda crazy to think half the people dancing there might not live to see the morning.
@@dianasaurus3174Not to mention that's the place Slavoj McAllister threw a grenade into the crowd. Slavoj McAllister sings the in-game tracks; "Makes Me Feel Better", "Resist and Disorder", "Kill the Messenger", and "Reaktion"
I like how nobody brings up how goofy those outfits the dancers wear in Starfield are. Like honestly so immersion breaking, looks like an outfit you'd wear in Saints Row.
It's so weird. Aside from cool metallic spacesuits and space ponchos, the general style of characters and their clothing are so bad. It's either boring or straight up weird like this. I feel like they went out of their way to make sure almost no one was attractive.
In Cyberpunk people are together, they are gathered in one place cause generally clubs are really crowded places with small space, so it makes sense putting them all together, that's what most people want in a nightclub, to feel connection to other people and be alive, meanwhile in Starfield they are all separated for some reason and just doing nothing at all, just in a standing stance, they really must think that clubs are like libraries or something don't they?
Exactly. The youth group worship services I atttended in my elementary school days were more lively than this XD there's the band, turned off lights, the lights on the stage, and even the christian hillsongs were more lively and vibey than that LMAO
Bethesda did the impossible… they made a night club in fucking SPACE boring. How do you make that boring? Istg they’re the most overrated AAA company in existence
During this scene you're also not sure if you're going to get jumped or not, so depending how far along you are chrome wise it could end badly if things started to go south. Which is a possibility depending how the dialogue goes when you reach your contact.
I love how in starfield, they added a "crowd" into the sound mix. Anyone who's ever been to a club knows that you can't hear anyone under the roar of the bass and kicks. So much so that you will be deaf by the end of the night. Walking around the club in cyberpunk is so genuinely similar to the real experience. Maybe Starfield's club is for people who "think" they like to party but they actually don't lol
@@zarrowthehorse People go for different kinds of reasons but I myself liked going for the dancing and socializing. Never did any of the drugs (I don't even drink). I met a couple of good friends at nightclubs. It can be nice especially because you can often bond over music. Though, most times, people go as a group. That's honestly the safest option, especially since all kinds of people go to nightclubs.
Starfield, proof that turning your production line into a formula is a terrible way to tell everyone "Corporate said you are permitted to FUN for the price of $70"
Corporate ass game, pander to the max. Ideas that test well in focus groups are more important than artistic vision. Don't spend money on ideas unless you have a company meeting first to evaluate it's potential profit margins. "People like memes right? Let's a get a few of those in there too."
Cyberpunk feels like a nightclub, just with less people than you'd normally see/expect to preserve hardware. The vibe, the music, the dialogue, it's all there. Starfield looks like a nightclub designed to go in Meta's multiverse. It's the soulless corporate idea of a nightclub.
Notice how Cyberpunk doesn't have that many more people in the Nightclub, but the level layout, their interactions with the environment, and the level of detail make it seem so much more lived in. The fog fills those gaps between the crowds and makes it feel like there's way more people than there actually is.
Unfortunately it just looks that way. It’s pretty much a glorified VR Demo. Nothing and nobody to interact with, nothing to do. It’s shallow and incredibly soulless unless you only visit nightclubs for missions. GTA5 nails nightclubs perfectly and even Starfield is better because you can actually do stuff inside the nightclub
@@jayg.2066bro just said Starfield lmao. You can literally dance in Cyberpunk and buy drinks. What can you do in Starfield watch normal npcs that don’t even fit in the nightclub, not dancing, and just sitting and standing
This video convinced me to try cyberpunk a couple months ago and of course I loved it lol. There’s a big difference between trying to create something memorable and just checking a box and this shows it
"Welcome to the largest city in the known universe. We have the most amazing club, you are going to love it. From its 3 dancers, to its unironic 8 bit music. It's just phenomenal. The only problem is that there's a 200 year waiting list to get in, because the capacity is 75 people."
For a day-one fan of CyberPunk (even with the bug, crashed and everything else), seeing it glowing now and serving as a reference, that makes me pretty happy.
A game that showcases Corpo greed and corruption that has main characters that hates Corpos having a mediocre launch because of Corpos is kinda funny ngl.
of course Bethesda had to put an NPC standing over the entrance to the club, automatically triggering a greeting, and of course the possible line that NPC is saying is "Are you having fun?" even tho you only just entered
@@blueshit199 Honestly someone should just make a video comparing video game nightclubs to Starfield’s, going further and further back through video game history just to progressively showcase just how embarrassingly hollow Starfield is. This game is a joke
Starfield feels so...fucking sanitized lol. The entire game feels sanitized, like they didn't want to offend anyone with too much sex or gore, it's really weird.
More like lobotmized than sanitised. Played 40 hours of starfeild EA because I was dumb enough to pre-order as soon as BG3 dropped played that, then over to CP2077 for my first PL playthrough but like 15 or 16th actual playthrough. Even how NPC characters treat you in both games are starkly different.. on starfeild your character is treated like a window licker or a heroic window licker... in CP its a scrappy dog or eventually a living legend but they don't treat you like you have 0 braincells.
@@hafor2846Skyrim marriages are clichés? What about when you marry Mjoll and she brings with her that mf of her friend Aerin in the home I've built with my bare hands in the same place where I brought my adopted kids? I had to kill him sneakily otherwise she would have gotten really sad and she would have stopped talking with her own husband. That's some real shit.
The energy of the crowd in cyberpunk feels like a real rave, just with less people due to understandable hardware demands. The Mox club is also really good id always hang out there and on the roof out back.
@@tanikaze7697 Yeah, but the atmosphere is really there. I have to admit, that the music and the look of the club in Cyberpunk gave me goosebumps as it took me back to my raver days.
I'd say they got the look and feel of an EDM club/bar down to damn near perfection here. I used to go to lots of these little clubs in Vancouver and this is pretty much exactly what it looks like on a slow night. Not a rave vibe, but the vibe of an establishment for ravers to go in the raving off-season.
@@quentintalayra9165 you can't compare 2011 games against 2023 games lmao, you are blind too, our computers are 30x faster but there still loading lmao
I think just the fact that seeing/hearing CP2077s nightclub makes me want to go out right now really highlights the difference between the two games. The only thing I felt watching the Starfield part was second hand embarrassment.
If I remember correctly, in Starfield in this specific location there are like 5 dialogue options that are supposed to be like "wow this music is sick" "who made these tunes for this fine establishment" with the bartender, like writers really tried to convince you that this is the pinnacle of music in nightclubs.
Everything about starfield is a gaslight. NPCs telling you how great it is, developers telling you the world's are great, Todd Howard telling you to buy a better PC.. everything around this game is them trying to convince you you're wrong
I just wanted to write the exact same thing. In particular those details like that you can hear the windows vibrate to the beat while outside, really adds to the immersion. Overall a very atmospheric map.
I never played hitman but I've seen somewhere a footage with a fashion show from a game. I guess hitman devs would nail any specific event in their game. It just doesn't need you there and exist by itself, exactly how it should be in a hitman game I would say.
@@BadassHonja Yup, IOI have always been excellent at bringing all their locations to life, even when they were limited by PS2 hardware. There was a party level in Hitman Blood Money that was also absolutely amazing for the time, and 10 times better than Starfield's club. Now on the newer generation of hardware, the locations are more well realized than ever
The original Deus Ex from 23 years ago had more nightclubs containing more people than Starfield. Hitman's Berlin level still takes the crown for me though as the most realistic depiction of a nightclub in a game.
I remember the Vixen Club level from 2012's Hitman Absolution. Approaching the door to the main area and hearing the muffled music, then opening the door and having the music just hit you was an auditory sensation. Not to mention the audience chatter, sheer number of NPCs, the graphics, and the animations, which were all expertly well done.
The thing that gets me are the parents at the end In Cyberpunk they would be distracted, with a drink in their hands chatting or doing something, then you approach them they notice you and you start a conversation in Starfield they are both doing the 1000 yard stare standing idle almost like waiting for the player to interact with them
Either it genuinely was or the dev team literally looked at their previous titles and just said "yep, it'll sell" and how unfortunately right they were lol. Just sucks that bethesda fans didn't release how bad the game was until after the honeymoon phase.
It will die eventually I cant see it having the longevity that Skyrim has Like skyrim will still be played probably a decade from now and the mods only get better on skyrim. But starfield I dont feel like it can be saved with mods honestly.@@daltonliles6161
Starfield looks like a 13 year old's party when the parents are out of town. Cyberpunk looks like John Wick is hiding in the crowd looking for his puppy's killer.
There's also a lot of Night Clubs in Cyberpunk, each with their own vibe. People don't often visit them unless there's a quest reason, but you can just go and hang at these joints anytime.
It sounds like a genuine question to me. Am I having fun? Or would I rather cruise the steets of Night City with Johnny’s Porsche 911 while blasting Lizzy Wizzy’s latest, which you also saw live recently.
The whole dialogue writing for this game just sucks. It's like aliens who have never experienced human life tried writing about it to one of their alien friends. Just a bunch of liberal suburban kids making dialogue for a young audience.
That fact that Starfield lets you find your mom & dad in the night club is just icing on the cake. They are practically begging modders to redo this hot garbage
Wut…so it’s like a Pixar movie or something where the kid finds out their lame boring parents are actually “cool”? JFC, I can’t tell who they were trying to market this game to. Literally everyone all at once, I guess.
@@ViperT24nah its a trait (thing you can pick during character creation) where you can meet your ingame biological parents. its honestly really wholesome but so weird in this context lmao
What's cool about that Cyberpunk nightclub is that it feels lively. Lots of people are dancing but also have different dance moves, not just copypasting same moves for every NPC. And those are some damn good moves I should say. People look like they are actually partying and having fun
Remembered an old man with western clothes on and metal legs and he was tearing it up on that dance floor. I just stopped and watched him in absolute awe until he stopped dancing. It was amazing.
Everything in Starfield feels like you're teleporting from one instance zone to another. Even when you don't fast travel, which is pretty much masochism, adjacent areas in a city often feel like you just teleported miles away. While in Cyberpunk the only fast travel feature I'll use is "skip ride" while being driven because driving is fun and there's usually something to find or do in between.
@@matthewcarter9790 nah, can't even claim that. Fallout 4 taking so long to transition you from an indoor cell to outdoors, ESPECIALLY in downtown Boston, is just unacceptable for a game released the same year as The Witcher 3.
@@byRoyalty yeah, dont play it on PS4. They never should've been released on those gen of consoles, but its much more playable on literally anything else.
As a regular club person, i found most of the ones in Cyberpunk to be extremely accurate... would benefit from denser crowds but generally a very authentic experience.
You ain’t a regular club person if you think Cyberpunk clubs are extremely accurate of intense nightlife. Lol. A more fitting reference would be the nightclub in Max Payne 3 or Ballad of Gay tony.
The fucking dad and the laugh LMAOOO. And how the hell in starfield the club is another map that you have to load in and there's only like 20 nps at max lol.
Cyberpunk nailed it exactly how it feels to visit a techno rave here in germany, loud music, dark, many people, everyone dancing, drugs, they got it perfectly
Im from Scotland but i feel the same, every rave and grimy but fun af club i've been to has that feel. Starfield feels like it was made by middle aged folk that never got invited out to party even when they were young.
I remember my first play through of Cyberpunk walking up to Lizzies bar I could hear the bass on my home theater getting louder as I got closer and as soon as the doors opened and walked in it was full on blast music. Very immersive.
Starfield's reminds me of work events where people are just waiting to leave whereas the cyberpunks is the late night alternative club that is open til 4am
the music really shows the difference too like the starfield music feels like corporate soulless ‘club’ music but the cyberpunk music actually sounds like something youd hear at an underground nightclub
"Are you having fun" "Ha ha! This place is insane!" Do you like our game? Do you? Tell us you enjoy this. You love this don't you. Its the best gaming experience you've ever had isn't it?!
Starfield nightclub looks like the type of place you'd walk in and immedietly 180 for being lame. Cyberpunk's nightclub looks like the type of place you'd walk in and immedietly 180 for fear of being stabbed.
I think one of the biggest reasons why Starfield isn't hitting the themes it wants to is because it's trying too damn hard not to offend anyone. Everything just feels so neutral and bland. ALSO EVERYONE IS THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT it's just super immersion breaking.
Yes. I don't hate Starfield, there are parts that are pretty good, some of the quests and locations for sure, but there's like a 90's sci fi vibe that permeates so many bits like this. In contrast, even from launch CP77 absolutely dripped dangerous atmosphere.
I think they called the aesthetic “NASApunk”? Dumb as heck name for what’s basically a modern “Star Trek: Enterprise” set design. And honestly the 90s Trek aesthetic can be comfy, but it doesnt work in Starfield. Personally I think the Deus Ex HR style would have been a better fit
@@LeathalThe move away from the fantastical and somewhat goofy styles of fallout 4 and Skyrim to a style that was attempting to be realistic really showed the cracks in Bethesda's design skills. If you have any knowledge of engineering or just how things work, it becomes super clear that no one at Bethesda has ever had to, say, do a repair on their car or actually think critically about how things are designed in the real world. Structures have terribly insufficient supports, weapons have random vestigial tubes and components everywhere, everything mechanical is either terribly undersized, oversized, or just makes no sense. Nothing looks CNC'd or injection molded or stamped or cast, it's all just arbitrary forms that look vaguely industrial. Fallout 4 got away with this, but it's like a sore thumb in Starfield.
CP2077 is not very different in that matter. Yes aesthetically it's fantastic and immersive (one of the best ever in that category), but the game is so god damn soft in term of moral compass. CDPR wanted V to be the most ambitious and yet they didn't want him to get his hand dirty in the dirtiest city. One time I think the game give me the choice the choice to be a jerk for my own interest, a trivial case of cynical individualism in a cyberpunk universe you know, just to be scolded by the hypocritical, murder en masse, douchebag in V's head.
@melchiordelaunay2539 there are very few games where you get to play as utterly amoral and sociopathic. Idk that studios want alot of the blowback from letting you go nuts in a game world. I mean stuff like Postal is controversial to this day. So, at your worst you can just be sort of a jerk, but ultimately there's lines you don't cross in any circumstance.
Mass effect 2: afterlife club on omega… approaching that club and hearing the muffled bass… getting clearer as you walked inside was an unforgettable video game experience, hard to believe that was almost 15 years ago now😮
I had just finished the first mass effect, jumped right into the second one and was having my doubts about it, but when I walked into Afterlife I immediately knew the game was going to be my favorite, not sure why, but I just knew, and I was right lmao
True, Afterlife was awesome! I even went to find the song that plays in the downstairs club just so I could listen to it for running and working out :)
That's because a lot of Starfield was automatically generated and the rest was designed by committee to be approved by Disney, while Cyberpunk was made by insane Polish people with weird kinks and no American puritan hangups.
@@TerkanTyr I totally agree. American big-budget developers have become really stale in their creativity lately. Think of how many of this year's GOTY nominees are made by Europe and Japan. Shoutout to my fave game of the last 20 years, Disco Elysium! Too bad a very American thing happened to the real developers. Don't buy it, people. Don your eyepatches.
@@thesavvytortfeasor Yes Disco Elysium was amazing! It didn't have fancy visuals or combat but it still managed to be 100x more creative and engaging than Starfield
@@thesavvytortfeasor American animation is particular bad in this regard, though maybe it's gotten somewhat better compared to it's bottom barrel years; ever notice how nearly every major adult oriented animated series Americans produce has to also be a comedy (likely because Simpsons did well in the 90s once lmao) Our corpos are so risk adverse and uninspired it's insane.
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Starfield's nightclub has been designed by people who never went to a nightclub
Those 3 idiots dancing there are embarassing to look at...
All of what Starfield was remind me of Afterlife clube in Omega in ME2.
And compare this sht ass club with any of the clubs in Cp77 is stupid, the one they show here is the worst one of the Cp77 clubs, is literally a factory turned into a club by the Maelstrom (it fits pretty well with the lore tough).
how about " Chess Club "
@@networkWTF I shouldn't have laughed this hard by reading this comment 💀
Starfield is souless while Cyberpunk staff sold their soul to the game.
You can’t be at the club and the chess club at te same time.
Another point to Cyberpunk, you can go from your apartment to a a nightclub without seeing a single loading-screen.
Yeah good point other 3 years of development to be a good game. I prefer a loading screen than a game with a lot of problem and cut content.
Yeah I agree. You can go most of the game without a loading screen. The game only has loading screens when you fast travel or when time has to progress - like waiting for a certain time of day to start a mission. This makes sense tho because it has to load the change in weather and atmosphere
So just like clubs in Asia :P@@mastah39
@@mastah39 ??? Yeah because that is how elevators work and still better than 12 hours of loading-screen for literally just enter to a ship
@@mastah39
There's like two elevators between your appartment and Totentanz. That's not even 10% of the loading time spent in any Bethesda game.
And it's way more immersive on top of that...
I love how the game gaslights you.
"This is so fun"
"This place is amazing"
"Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
- Some guy who thinks mayonnaise is spicy
“Let’s get lit.”
“Time to boogie woogie!”
Written by chatGPT
@@rustylasagna😂😂
“This song is knocking my socks off!”
You could convince me that no one at Bethesda has ever had sex.
And if you ever sex, Todd will know it and fire you.
Lmao
"This seggs stuff... IT'S BLOWING MY MIND!"
It’s supposed to be silly lmfao.
@@LordKosmuxwhile you walk in before doing anything "you having fun?" 😅
starfield's nightclub is deadass a middle school dance where nobody's really having a good time but you can't go home cause your parents aren't picking you up for another two hours
Bcs every damn one in the club is high AF. If you would played the game you would know.
@@Paces7552 So is everyone in the Cyberpunk clip. Cannot believe you're defending Starfield after watching the same video we all just did.
@@dantethecharred If you say it is nightclub I agree, cyberpunk is much better. But Astral Lounge is indeed lounge not a nightclub. And Aurora is halucinogenic drug and believe me you really would not want to be in nightclub high af. The whole video just looks like comparison between GtaV submarines and ocean exploring and Subnautica. If you understand me.
@@Paces7552 Sure, maybe it’s like comparing apples and oranges in this specific category, but dude, have you seen combat comparisons? Dialogue comparisons? Starfield is outshined by Cyberpunk in almost all categories. Bethesda just lazy.
@@dantethecharred Visual effects and audio effects in nowday Cyberpunk sure. But you cant forget its catastrophic launch. Starfield on launch had almost no bugs.
The key difference is that in Starfield the NPCs constantly bring up how much fun they are having in dialogue while Cyberpunk let’s the NPCs actually have fun
I'm having so much fun reading these comments! If only there was a way I could show this without needing to explicitly tell you... Nah, as Todd always says, tell, don't show. That way the fanboys know exactly how good things are.
Communist Starfield vs Capitalist Cyberpunk
"It's blowing my mind." - a typical statement said in a club by a human being, which is made of flesh and enjoys typical human activities like breathing oxygen.
aint no way any of you believe cyberpunk "clubs" arent also dull, have no vibes and barely any people right? The only time theres any people is in cutscenes, otherwise its just dead and doesnt even have a proper sound system
@@jibei6740what? 😂
Imagine going to a party or club and hearing someone say
'This cocaine stuff! IT'S BLOWING MY MIND!'
That would actually save me some steps
get help @@germanstelmakhovich2069
it would be slightly believable if it were legal and a brand like aurora is. i can forgive that much, but nothing else
That’s what our parents think, how people talk in nightclubs
“This cocaine makes me wanna have premarital sex!”
The most unrealistic thing about video game nightclubs is how much room there is to move around.
So true bro.
You know a night club is the shit if it has the following:
Cramped as hell
Loud ass music
Loud ass people
Can't hear anything more than 3 ft away
Gameplay limit.
@@fifervonpiper6707sounds like every club ever at peak hours
@@starchaser6057 Hitman Absolution
@@fifervonpiper6707 real
The release of Starfield was honestly the most effective advertisement Cyberpunk ever got.
I’m pretty sure the Cyberpunk anime was more of a sell, but Starfield definitely threw some weight into marketing Cyberpunk too.
And also No Man's Sky
they probably knew it too after keeping the release of phantom liberty 2 weeks after stafield. everyone thought they were crazy
Big facts. Bought it the day Starfield dropped bc I was so disappointed
I was ride or die for Starfield then I played Cyberpunk and haven’t touched Starfield since ☺️
It's legitimately insane how soulless Starfield is
You mean there's only so much you can squeeze out of a game that is essentially just an officially released total conversion mod for a game that came out like fifteen years ago, because the engine is at least that old?
I genuinely don't understand how people got excited for this after the first few gameplay vids dropped. Anyone who's played conversion mods for Skyrim or Fallout 4 could tell you that's what this looked like, with space elements thrown in behind some loading screens. Actually that's not quite true, it's actually WORSE than those conversion mods because those conversion mods kept the best elements of the UI and other QoL-improvement mods the rest of the community had already made, whereas this went back to slow buggy clunky console port menus and controls.
my husbands friend gets real world mad that people wont play this game or other open world NOTHINGNESS space games that bug and break and heat my pc to melting point. he takes it as a personal insult that no one wants to play a dog shit game. idk why games like that are even popular. and then grown ass men with children spend 5k on a space ship gaming rig while their wife struggles to buy formula or they go without so he can have his toys. its just such an awful money pit based on the male obsession with being the tribe leader of space wilderness. @@thehoerscorral8565
is it meant to be soulless ? like the future of humanity if we continue on our path
lmfao at least it doesn’t crash if you ride your scooter too fast
@@thehoerscorral8565exactly. I was laughing when i saw the gameplay footage videos. There is no drive to play the game and if you play its extremely underwhelming and tree flaws are overly noticeable. Genuinely surprised they greenlit this idea even lol. Go back to making elder scolls
The nightclub in Starfield looks like the end of the night, when the lights goes on and almost everybody get out because the nightclub is closing
The only people left are starting to come down/crash and lose control of their bodies, hence the awful dancing and that weird guy laughing 🤣
dude is probably playing it on lowest setting for crowd density, thats why it looks like that
@@nerminkaya4698nope that's the game, that's how it is.
@@nerminkaya4698 Max crowd density looks like this. I'd hate to see what low crowd density looks like at Astral lounge.
@@Jupa no its not I literally tested it today bro why are yall lying on this I dont get the hate
1:05 i love how the player's dad is just there for no reason, like how lame must a nightclub be for your middle aged dad to just hang out there unprompted
"Are ya winning, son?"
Well, now we know a nightclub’s gotta be starfield lame
"Hey there Bucko, I got here a little early, and now this nice woman named Mercedes might be your new mommy!"
Starfield's "safe and sanitized" sci-fi feel being sucker punched by those jumpcuts to Cyberpunk is such a visceral change in artstyle.
Agreeded
@@okGDJ*starfield
Ong
It's not only about Bethesda's vision of sci-fi to be honest. Their technology is stuck in 2011. That's the thing. An indie compagny could produce a better nightclub in a couple of hours.
@@okGDJ damn you got BTFO lmao😂
What Cyberpunk also gets right what most other games don't is the TYPE of music played at night clubs. It's very fast, layered, and bass/percussion centered. They probably just purchased the rights to some pre-existing songs or worked with an actual music producer. It's the exact kind of techno you'd hear in Berlin, Amsterdam or Krakow's club basements at 4 AM. Meanwhile there is Starfield with the fruity loops ass Sims 3 elevator music type beat lmao
Also, the devs are Polish so they know their shit
What is even more wild, the music that plays before you enter the club is better than what is played inside. The door of Madam Savage plays the best music in Starfield 🙂
Correct me if I'm wrong but almost all of the music in the game was produced by real talented artists, specifically for the game.
take 4AEM by Grimes or the new songs like choke hold and walk of shame by Idris Elba
They literally contracted Nina Kraviz for some of the songs.
With this said, not all nightclubs are necessarily this kind of techno. You can even have way more pop/dance/commercial pieces.
Yet bugthesda managed to impress, by pretending the kind of sound you could hear in a waiting room is hip and fun.
They actually did both, buy music and make original tracks
In Starfield people have to explicitly tell you that they are having fun, because you wouldn't be able to tell otherwise xd
-Show don’t tell-
Tell don’t show.
Eh I enjoyed it, for me it let me wind down, it’s simple design is great for smoking a zoot and just chillin 😂
@@3adgamd3r That's because having a zoot in one hand and a 40 in the other is the only thing stopping you from grabbing a 44 while playing this.
NPCs in Bethesda games simply present a summary of their lives to the player whenever they pass them by :v
@@bigtime9597💀
It's so strange how the Starfield club is louder on the outside, but after you enter it's pretty quiet by comparison.
bCuZ tHeY dUn WaNt HeArInG dAmAgE
It's absolutely incredible that multiple people at Bethesda, and after Cyberpunk was released for a long time already as well, thought the most awesome thing you can have in a club is 3 dudes in teletubby outfits in the middle
tells you a lot about their target audience, huh...
@@GhostAeonWolf
Yeah its funny how they marketed a game for and to adults, while making a game for 6-14 year olds
It’s crazy how there’s only three big cities and none of them could be detailed because all the development went into generating thousands of world seeds
@@SpookySpice6419
Imagine working 5 years on a trainwreck and being todd who waited 20+ yesrs to make this, only for anyone to shit on it and use it as a new measurement for bad games. Im sure the people at bethesda feel even more destroyed than after the fallout 76 debacle
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti Cyberpunk innovated and did new things. Bethesda just makes what they already know how to make and never improves. Any hype I had left for the eventual release of TES6 is gone. Even when it finally comes out, I don't think it'll be good by today's standards.
Funny how the game not setup in dystopia is actually the true soulless dystopia.
I guess you actually needs Aurora to enjoy it
@@lucaslyra2717 mfw Starfield succeded where We Happy Few failed lmao
And the one set in a dystopia actually have a really upbeat vibe 90% of the time
Starfield is far more like a dystopian future than cyberpunk lol id rather live in the cyberpunk universe
You don't know much about Neon if you're claiming it's not setup in a dystopia.
Not only are there multiple nightclubs in Cyberpunk, each with their own vibe and clientele, they also get more or less crowded depending on the time of day - like actual nightclubs. At around 7:00 AM all you're going to find in there are janitors cleaning up the afterparty on an empty dancefloor, and around 02:00 AM the club is full, the music changing depending on where you are in the building, there are people doing drugs in the bathrooms, etc. And yes, this was the same on release. Starfield has absolutely no excuse.
Las discotecas y lugares nocturnos de Cyberpunk 2077 son asi porque el juego lo requería, Starfield en cambio no requería lugares tan llenos y frenéticos y por eso no son asi. Es facil de entender. No tiene sentido comparar dos juegos que son distintos.
@@X3455.bruuuuh..... Cope harder lol
They are both ambitious open world RPGs we are literally comparing apples to apples and starfield is mealy as fuck with no flavor.
@@SerfsUp1848 Although they are of the same genre, they are not the same, nor are Horizon or The Witcher. Each one has its own characteristics, so it makes no sense to compare them.
@@X3455. lol yes I agree horizon and witcher are extremely different 😂 different genres even
@@X3455.home boy tried comparing The Witcher and Horizon together. Like... What? They are vastly different.
Even comparing Starfield & Cyberpunk aren't exactly the same. Comparing Starfield against Mass Effect, Star Citizen, No Man's Sky make more sense.
Some write that the Starfield developers have never seen a nightclub in their lives. Having played this game for more than 20 hours, I can say that they generally have very little idea of how people live and interact with each other.
More Like todd gave them 3 hours to make that nightclub jaja
fallout 4 feels the same way (even though it's a nice game)
Bethesda is just terrible at writing and worldbuilding
I've never even been to a nightclub before and even I can tell the Astral Lounge looks lame as hell
The way they made the music in CP2077 muffled and then get clean as you walk in is amazing and very immersive!
And it's god damn nice
And the music is good. well I like it.
i think GTA 4 or GTA V did like that too
And Mass Effect @@MattOtacon
also that it didn't require a loading screen to get into the place
Starfields AAA writers thought "Citizen: ThIS pLaCe iS InSAnE" was really gonna make players jaw drop
They’re not "AAA writers" Bethesda don’t have writers, their gales are written by designers. Emil pagliarulo has been writing bethesda games since oblivion and he might be the shittier writer earth has ever seen.
"Are you having fun?" -Souless smile staring at you
@@invalidusername4011 Citizen : "ahahah haa!"
@@invalidusername4011no joke, I literally answered that NPC "no" irl
It did the players jaw drop, just not in a good way.
Can't expect someone who's working in Bethesda hitting the real life nightclub 😂
CDProjektRed has the biggest party guys everyone knows that! They are cool and NOT NERDS and by extension I am cool for preferring their games!!
@Logicalization look at Geralt, they know how to get LAID
@@LogicalizationAssuming CDPR gives their devs enough free time to go to parties instead of slaving away in crunch periods.
@@Logicalizationalso they're polish. Eastern Europeans party hard.
@@gracecalis5421 I was joking. All developers are nerds
The Starfield-Version is how i describe the Club for my parents... The other one is the Reality 😅
“This place is insane!” I am just wondering how sheltered the designers must have been in life. 😂
Imagine the kids in elementary school who had their mom cut the crust off their sandwiches. That's Bethesda's dev team.
They probably only ever visited high school parties and the occasional incredibly tame office party.
@fridgeking6014 let's be real, they probably never went to parties in high-school
@@GesuspieceI never went to parties in High School and I could make a better nightclub than StarField... Cyberpunk nailed the atmosphere because when you're in clubs and you have headphones on, you can't hear any NPCS just the blasting of the music.. PROJEKT RED nailed the atmosphere
They been sheltered in vault 76
One thing I love but never see mentioned about cyberpunk is how natural and fluid the dialogues are. For example during this mission in the video, you go talk to kerry in his appartment, take the elevator down, get in your car and drive to the club, walk towards in entrance as the music gets louder and talk to the guys in front, the girl arrives, takes you in, you walk with her across the entire club, go upstairs, talk to brick, leave the club with Nancy, and all of this without a SINGLE CUT, interruption or loading screen. You don't even need to click on a button to start a conversation, the dialogue just happens naturally as you look at someone, and it makes everything feel so connected together, the game never takes control away from you to zoom on the NPCs face, there is not one camera cut between dialogues and gameplay, you can do 10 quests in a row and feel like it was all part of the same giant quest because everything you do flows in such a natural and immersive way
CDPR are so talented at writing narrative and dialogue. Phantom liberty was epic
Agreed, and the character's movement is also way more natural. You don't get the 'talking head syndrome' like with Bethesda as everything just happens around you. Everything feels dynamic as if you are really a part of the environment while exploring an entire city.
They showcase this from the very start of the of the game. When you go to the Mox club to talk to Evelyn, before you actually meet either of them, you can see Judy talking to someone else at the bar and can even see her ears perk up when you mention Evelyn’s name to the bartender.
@@kuruptzZz
Phantom Liberty was so peak. It is so peak.
@@citizenvulpes4562i was surprised at how good it was
"This Aurora stuff... it's blowing my mind!"
super realistic nightclub experience.
Yea i too tell everyone of the illegal substances i am currently abusing
"This coke stuff.....it’s blowing my mind!"
Have you ever heard anyone say that 😂
"This tab of acid.... it's blowing my mind ever since I ingested it and waited for the effects to kick in."
aurora is legal on neon and sold there !
Bethesda's condescension condensed into a single sentence. Show me people fucked up on the stuff instead of checking a box that says "tell player drugs are being consumed"
Best part is, the club in Cyberpunk isn't even in a main mission. It's not typical AAA-game nonsense where 90% of the effort is spent on the main content they know all the players will encounter.
Instead, you have to go waaay down the rabbit-hole of side missions for a specific character, you only meet near the end of the game, to ever end up in this place.
And they STILL went hard with it!
There wasn't a loading screen to get into the nightclub!
The best thing about this game is replaying it after watching Edgerunners and finding every scene in the anime happens in a real area in the game world.
The Totentanz is one of them.
You can visit the Clubs even outside of the side gigs, theres nothing to do, but you can hang around.
And on that note, if you don’t save one random guy from a cage away from the main pathway (on the Royce mission), this club is closed forever after this mission, so the devs went to all this effort knowing most players would never actually spend any time in it. CDPR are truly the best.
@@kaimeridius3849 correction, if brick and royce are both dead its closed permanently, _except_ you can also start a fight when talking royce/brick which closes it and theres even a few unique weapons you cant get outside of a totentanz fight (or the weapon guy in dogtown but shh)
Facts even the fixer gigs (their version of the repetitive grindy missions) have their own mini stories that go along with them, rather than being just an objective completer
The Starfield club is where your parents would take you for your “first club experience”, and they’re staying with you to keep an eye on you.
If you have the parent perk they actually go to the club and you can meet them there, I'm not joking.
Reminds me of the Disney “nightclubs” for kids that they made in like the 90s
"Hahaha ha!" -Dad, 1:06
what sort of nerd takes their kid to a nightclub
@@SpaceMissile looooool
The other cool thing about Cyberpunk is that there are several clubs, and all have their own unique style to them that fits the narrative of the game. Lizzie's, Heavy Hearts, Empathy, Riot, Totentanz, The Afterlife. Each one with a unique style and attention given to make them feel like real places that people would actually go to.
A lot of it was the fan made music. Rezodrone has some bangers, "Kill The Messenger", "Disorder". Then they have other bangers from various artists "Makes Me Feel Better". I could actually see myself in a drug trip raving to this song.
@@setcheck67ahaha I fucking hate loads of the music but it’s so immersive I totally buy that it’s what artists are composing in this world and I love the fact that I personally would hate to be alive in that time, but my character doesn’t have to
MYbe hates a strong word I’m just more of a downbeat mellow person, it serves its purpose tremendously
Let’s be honest here… the Malibu Club in Vice City dances around these two, to this day… there, I said it
@@setcheck67 Morris Rock Radio is loaded with bangers. I love all the Samurai songs, and Friday Night Fire Fight is just 😝🤘😩💯
@@therealMrA I hope you know Samurai is a real band called Refused. New Noise is a banger.
The nightclub in Starfield reminded me of those awkward holiday parties in school, under teacher's supervision 😁
Ahahahah😂
Even Dad's there as chaperone!
That's probably the only party the designers ever went to lol they think it was a real party
The Halloween school disco
That loading screen was everything you need to know about Starfield
Starfield feels like a remaster of a game from the late 2000s that you'd have to have some nostalgia for in order to be impressed by it
Agreed. It feels very PS360 gen to me, like the game could've been released anytime between 2007-2011
@@mildsnapsapparently the technology still isn’t there considering starfield is a loading screen simulator.
The game is really uneven.
The environmental detail in some areas can be dense and even amazing in Starfield. There’s a lot of cool detail in places like Cydonia for example. Then you have New Atlantis which looks and runs like a PS3 game.
It's like Mass Effect but without the compelling story.
@@CrispyBarOfSoap It's there. Been there back in 1998, too. It's Todd that can't figure out how to use it
Fun fact - The nighclub shown in Cyberpunk has lore behind it as well from in-game logs. Apparently the sound we hear is just white noise. Those who actually have implants and cybernetics to translate the noise, hears the actual music.
Bruh I love this about cyberpunk. There are background events and stories happening around EVERYTHING you do, and it's totally up to you to indulge in exactly as much lore and story as you want! If you find a particular mission extra interesting, more often than not there are shards lying around with dialogue and orders and announcements and it makes everything feel so ALIVE
The Totentanz is also well known for ending each night with a high body count. Kinda crazy to think half the people dancing there might not live to see the morning.
@@dianasaurus3174it’s in the name, totentanz means deathdance in german
@@dianasaurus3174Not to mention that's the place Slavoj McAllister threw a grenade into the crowd. Slavoj McAllister sings the in-game tracks; "Makes Me Feel Better", "Resist and Disorder", "Kill the Messenger", and "Reaktion"
@@Fl0wchart He's the vocalist for all of Rezodrone's songs? Or just the name of the person Rezodrone's songs are being attributed to in-universe?
I like how nobody brings up how goofy those outfits the dancers wear in Starfield are. Like honestly so immersion breaking, looks like an outfit you'd wear in Saints Row.
lol you're not wrong
I thought those were aliens 😂
@@Benjiizusat least that would be interesting
It's so weird. Aside from cool metallic spacesuits and space ponchos, the general style of characters and their clothing are so bad. It's either boring or straight up weird like this. I feel like they went out of their way to make sure almost no one was attractive.
And? So what they’re meant to be goofy looking
In Cyberpunk people are together, they are gathered in one place cause generally clubs are really crowded places with small space, so it makes sense putting them all together, that's what most people want in a nightclub, to feel connection to other people and be alive, meanwhile in Starfield they are all separated for some reason and just doing nothing at all, just in a standing stance, they really must think that clubs are like libraries or something don't they?
You can tell which devs have actually been inside of a nightclub lmao
I’m convinced that playing Bethesda games makes you more socially inept
Have you heard any news from the other provinces?
Have you heard of the High Elves?
Another settlement needs your help
It’s true, I’ve 100%’d Skyrim and now I can’t speak to women. It’s tragic.
Now imagine developing them 🤣
how did they manage to make a nightclub more tranquil than a real life church?
Exactly. The youth group worship services I atttended in my elementary school days were more lively than this XD there's the band, turned off lights, the lights on the stage, and even the christian hillsongs were more lively and vibey than that LMAO
When the church has more life tham a night club at Night....
Bethesda did the impossible… they made a night club in fucking SPACE boring. How do you make that boring? Istg they’re the most overrated AAA company in existence
@@meatloverspizza23 They have to rewrite their formula for games fr... holy shit.
These NPCS are all supposed to be on drugs yet they are all still just standing around doing nothing
Cyberpunk club: actually insane place
Starfield club: npc casually tells you "this place is insane". Another one asks you "are you having fun?:)"
The first game made that actively attempts to gaslight you
During this scene you're also not sure if you're going to get jumped or not, so depending how far along you are chrome wise it could end badly if things started to go south. Which is a possibility depending how the dialogue goes when you reach your contact.
I love how in starfield, they added a "crowd" into the sound mix. Anyone who's ever been to a club knows that you can't hear anyone under the roar of the bass and kicks. So much so that you will be deaf by the end of the night. Walking around the club in cyberpunk is so genuinely similar to the real experience.
Maybe Starfield's club is for people who "think" they like to party but they actually don't lol
Fr if you got a deep voice you may as well just start signing, nobody gonna understand you.
Its programmed by people who think what it is inside a night club, but they have never been there.
May I ask why people enjoy nightclubs? They look terrifying and loud. I don't think I could ever go to one
@@zarrowthehorse People go for different kinds of reasons but I myself liked going for the dancing and socializing. Never did any of the drugs (I don't even drink). I met a couple of good friends at nightclubs. It can be nice especially because you can often bond over music. Though, most times, people go as a group. That's honestly the safest option, especially since all kinds of people go to nightclubs.
@@TheTurtlev2 might be hard to see faces and specific signs though. Agree that it would be way more effective though.
"Yes, I was in the chess club"
Todd knows how to design a nightclub
CP77 May genuinely have some of the best sound design in gaming history. You can tell they put time and $$$ into it.
10/10. I am having the list of games I’ve played with the best OST and CP2077 is in the first place there.
And soul
I wish the volume of the music in the nightclubs and bars was louder though... It would be more immersive imo
Dying Light 2 has some great Soundtracks too.
I wouldn't say best but it's definitely pr good
Starfield, proof that turning your production line into a formula is a terrible way to tell everyone "Corporate said you are permitted to FUN for the price of $70"
NPC asking you if you're having fun when you literally just entered the nightclub
Fr thatd be so awkward irl
From the composer to the writer for afterlife conversation needs to be fired 😂
Lmao not even 2 seconds in
Just like someone self conscious about hosting a lame party
Starfield is just so... soulless. It's like they did a paint by numbers video game.
feels like corporate christmas party in a company that went cheap on alcohol
Corporate ass game, pander to the max. Ideas that test well in focus groups are more important than artistic vision. Don't spend money on ideas unless you have a company meeting first to evaluate it's potential profit margins.
"People like memes right? Let's a get a few of those in there too."
Real people put real heart into the game, all that heart was just abysmally directed by management.
I recommend playing it instead of saying its bad because others say so like a f*cking NPC that doesnt have an opinion.
@@Forest762game's bad fam, deal with it
Cyberpunk feels like a nightclub, just with less people than you'd normally see/expect to preserve hardware. The vibe, the music, the dialogue, it's all there.
Starfield looks like a nightclub designed to go in Meta's multiverse. It's the soulless corporate idea of a nightclub.
I think it’s more “druggy ganger place you usually avoid”. US Cracks show was decently crowded.
Wow it’s almost like a nightclub in a city where a giant corporation has its hq
@@ArthurDomme While in Cyberpunk...
I also thought instantly of the Metaverae
Both of which perfectly fit the world and aesthetic of their respective game.
it’s hilarious to me how they need a loading screen to enter the nightclub when cyberpunk doesn’t have one
It's because Shitthesda doesn't want to let go of their prehistoric game engine.
@@rottenapple_change is scary!!
The engine starfield uses is from 1997 and they are not changing it for eldescrolls 6
Notice how Cyberpunk doesn't have that many more people in the Nightclub, but the level layout, their interactions with the environment, and the level of detail make it seem so much more lived in. The fog fills those gaps between the crowds and makes it feel like there's way more people than there actually is.
Unfortunately it just looks that way. It’s pretty much a glorified VR Demo. Nothing and nobody to interact with, nothing to do. It’s shallow and incredibly soulless unless you only visit nightclubs for missions.
GTA5 nails nightclubs perfectly and even Starfield is better because you can actually do stuff inside the nightclub
@@jayg.2066bro just said Starfield lmao. You can literally dance in Cyberpunk and buy drinks. What can you do in Starfield watch normal npcs that don’t even fit in the nightclub, not dancing, and just sitting and standing
@@jayg.2066 lmao cry harder, just tell us your potato pc can barely run gt5 and you are salty you can't play cyberpunk
@@jayg.2066you can dance and get drinks in cyberpunk too
@@jayg.2066tell me you never went to a nightclub without telling me you never did:
"this place is insane" while lofi beats playing in the backround
That "Ha ha ha ha" at 1:06 actually summarizes whole Starfield experience 😂
It’s an oblivionesque moment
I can only describe that with "I'm in great pain and suffering, so much so I'm starting to question my sanity, please help me" but in laugh form lol
Ha ha ha ha -😐
This video convinced me to try cyberpunk a couple months ago and of course I loved it lol. There’s a big difference between trying to create something memorable and just checking a box and this shows it
This warms my heart. How’s the game? Lol
@@dennis_duran I've been playing it nonstop for three days now. It's incredible.
"Welcome to the largest city in the known universe. We have the most amazing club, you are going to love it. From its 3 dancers, to its unironic 8 bit music. It's just phenomenal. The only problem is that there's a 200 year waiting list to get in, because the capacity is 75 people."
For a day-one fan of CyberPunk (even with the bug, crashed and everything else), seeing it glowing now and serving as a reference, that makes me pretty happy.
I still remember the day Cyberpunk kills you from a 1cm fall on a sloped surface 😂
Cyberpunk is astro gapping star field
Yo... Uh... Say "Cyberpunk", don't abbreviate it to "CP".
a day one fan of what?!?
Day one, you say? So, er, you like your CP pretty young?
It's such a shame that Cyberpunk got off to a rough start. It truly is an incredible game.
Yes it really is
A game that showcases Corpo greed and corruption that has main characters that hates Corpos having a mediocre launch because of Corpos is kinda funny ngl.
@@NyangisKhan When you put it that way 😆
Yeah, but its had one hell of a redemption arc.
No it’s not, it still sucks! 😂
of course Bethesda had to put an NPC standing over the entrance to the club, automatically triggering a greeting, and of course the possible line that NPC is saying is "Are you having fun?" even tho you only just entered
next do a comparison with the Deus Ex and Mass Effect night clubs btw
@@blueshit199
Honestly someone should just make a video comparing video game nightclubs to Starfield’s, going further and further back through video game history just to progressively showcase just how embarrassingly hollow Starfield is.
This game is a joke
@@courier6960 yeah, even Duke Nukem 3D had better night clubs, or at least I'm willing to bet
@@blueshit199 I was thinking about Mass Effect clubs when I started watching this
Starfield feels so...fucking sanitized lol. The entire game feels sanitized, like they didn't want to offend anyone with too much sex or gore, it's really weird.
Same thing with Skyrim. Ever married someone? Disney makes more mature and less clichée marriages.
Yeah it sucks, but that’s what you get trying to appeal to *everyone* all at once. Watered down generic bullshit that NO one likes.
More like lobotmized than sanitised.
Played 40 hours of starfeild EA because I was dumb enough to pre-order as soon as BG3 dropped played that, then over to CP2077 for my first PL playthrough but like 15 or 16th actual playthrough.
Even how NPC characters treat you in both games are starkly different.. on starfeild your character is treated like a window licker or a heroic window licker... in CP its a scrappy dog or eventually a living legend but they don't treat you like you have 0 braincells.
That’s all people really want nowadays
@@hafor2846Skyrim marriages are clichés? What about when you marry Mjoll and she brings with her that mf of her friend Aerin in the home I've built with my bare hands in the same place where I brought my adopted kids? I had to kill him sneakily otherwise she would have gotten really sad and she would have stopped talking with her own husband. That's some real shit.
The nervous laugh killed me 😂😂 it’s like they were all forced to be in this night club
To make it worse, his dad was there😂
@@dmonsterloveI’m weak let’s hope the revamp this game like cyberpunk and gets the integrity it deserves
The energy of the crowd in cyberpunk feels like a real rave, just with less people due to understandable hardware demands. The Mox club is also really good id always hang out there and on the roof out back.
But to hide the limited people they really limited the floor space by encroaching all kinds of railings and architecture in the way of everything.
I just wish you could actually rent BDs
@@thehoodedteddy1335 having BDs actually working in this game would be awesome af; imagine actual smut animated and edited by Judy lmao
@@tanikaze7697 Yeah, but the atmosphere is really there. I have to admit, that the music and the look of the club in Cyberpunk gave me goosebumps as it took me back to my raver days.
I'd say they got the look and feel of an EDM club/bar down to damn near perfection here. I used to go to lots of these little clubs in Vancouver and this is pretty much exactly what it looks like on a slow night. Not a rave vibe, but the vibe of an establishment for ravers to go in the raving off-season.
1:15 Those three jockeys are absolutely vibing and I love it.
The loading screen in Starfield said pretty much about the game...
I'm affraid for TES6 if Bethesda is blind to his weakness.
@@quentintalayra9165 you can't compare 2011 games against 2023 games lmao, you are blind too, our computers are 30x faster but there still loading lmao
@@ldeldeldi4813yikes that not what he meant at all.
The bro thinks starfield is a 2011 game :)
@@Cendrecoeur1989 It definitely looks like 2011 game.
@@dave8413 uses the same engine as a 2011 game
I think just the fact that seeing/hearing CP2077s nightclub makes me want to go out right now really highlights the difference between the two games. The only thing I felt watching the Starfield part was second hand embarrassment.
@awhellnah__*CHIIILD POOORNOOOGRAAAPHYYY*
But seriously, calm down. Nothing that's worth getting riled up over
@awhellnah__ You sound utterly insufferable.
@awhellnah__ I didn’t even know what CP was used for until the other guys comment.
Got CP on your mind?
@awhellnah__I _could_ understand you _if_ they just said CP.
But it's CP2077
@@hundvd_7 People can get confused which CP2077. Is it cyberpunk or Clam Pusher 2077? Cool Penguin 2077?
If I remember correctly, in Starfield in this specific location there are like 5 dialogue options that are supposed to be like "wow this music is sick" "who made these tunes for this fine establishment" with the bartender, like writers really tried to convince you that this is the pinnacle of music in nightclubs.
Everything about starfield is a gaslight. NPCs telling you how great it is, developers telling you the world's are great, Todd Howard telling you to buy a better PC.. everything around this game is them trying to convince you you're wrong
And in cyberpunk you can tell the bartender that the music sucks
Thats because there is a quest involving the dj. The game is trying to direct you towards that, not gaslight you.
@@TheDarkAngel7777 Not mutually exclusive. The game clearly wants me to believe that this is some incredible music, but it sounds generic.
i dont think any of the writers have actually been to a nightclub or even a party before lmfao
1:07 It looks like the nervous laugh of a North Korean citizen xD
Hitman 3 deserves an honorable mention with its club level. Probably the best depiction of a rave I've seen in any piece of media
Truly superb
I just wanted to write the exact same thing. In particular those details like that you can hear the windows vibrate to the beat while outside, really adds to the immersion. Overall a very atmospheric map.
I never played hitman but I've seen somewhere a footage with a fashion show from a game. I guess hitman devs would nail any specific event in their game. It just doesn't need you there and exist by itself, exactly how it should be in a hitman game I would say.
@@BadassHonja Yup, IOI have always been excellent at bringing all their locations to life, even when they were limited by PS2 hardware. There was a party level in Hitman Blood Money that was also absolutely amazing for the time, and 10 times better than Starfield's club. Now on the newer generation of hardware, the locations are more well realized than ever
Hitman 3 is so slept on. Talk about an immersive and real-feeling world...
tHiS pLaCe iS iNsAnE!
Hahah ha haaaa
It is insane!...Look at them, losing their minds D:
The original Deus Ex from 23 years ago had more nightclubs containing more people than Starfield. Hitman's Berlin level still takes the crown for me though as the most realistic depiction of a nightclub in a game.
I quite like the one in gta online
Hearing the bass rattling the framework when you're backstage in Berlin in Hitman is the realest shit ever
I remember the Vixen Club level from 2012's Hitman Absolution. Approaching the door to the main area and hearing the muffled music, then opening the door and having the music just hit you was an auditory sensation. Not to mention the audience chatter, sheer number of NPCs, the graphics, and the animations, which were all expertly well done.
Yep hitmans Berlin level was the first that came to mind
thats in cp too@@NexusKin
The thing that gets me are the parents at the end
In Cyberpunk they would be distracted, with a drink in their hands chatting or doing something, then you approach them they notice you and you start a conversation
in Starfield they are both doing the 1000 yard stare standing idle almost like waiting for the player to interact with them
The more and more I play Starfield, the more I'm convinced it was entirely made by AI
Either it genuinely was or the dev team literally looked at their previous titles and just said "yep, it'll sell" and how unfortunately right they were lol. Just sucks that bethesda fans didn't release how bad the game was until after the honeymoon phase.
@@daltonliles6161 The funniest / worst part of this is, the parts of Starfield that are the most broken are the stuff that can't be fixed with mods.
@@de132 Exactly. The game is just fundamentally bad and always will be.
It will die eventually I cant see it having the longevity that Skyrim has Like skyrim will still be played probably a decade from now and the mods only get better on skyrim. But starfield I dont feel like it can be saved with mods honestly.@@daltonliles6161
@@de132can't be fixed? It's really bad? Because i wasn't able to play it so that sounds interesting and surprising
Starfield looks like a 13 year old's party when the parents are out of town.
Cyberpunk looks like John Wick is hiding in the crowd looking for his puppy's killer.
There's also a lot of Night Clubs in Cyberpunk, each with their own vibe. People don't often visit them unless there's a quest reason, but you can just go and hang at these joints anytime.
and do what
@@JohnKimley-gu7rj Vibe. CP77 music is fire.
Cyberpunk has 3 years of after release development 💀 bro thought we forgot 💀
@@Astro-M0you could visit and spend time in night clubs on launch day
@@Astro-M0lol. This is why I was so frustrated with all the cp77 haters. Literally everything in this video was there from launch.
"THIS AURORA STUFF... IT'S BLOWING MY MIND!"
The whole 'are you having fun' in that enpty club cracked me up. 😂
Especially since they'd literally just walked in!
A good representation of the game itself 😂
Almost all of the VIP rooms are completely EMPTY too lol
It sounds like a genuine question to me. Am I having fun? Or would I rather cruise the steets of Night City with Johnny’s Porsche 911 while blasting Lizzy Wizzy’s latest, which you also saw live recently.
And thats just one example. Theres at least 10 in the whole game and each one looks and sounds completely different.
Yet the RIOT looks quite like that one in Starfield... Totentanz is THE club!
@@eddiestray4870Not since "Daft Punk" is in Riot
Cope
The whole dialogue writing for this game just sucks. It's like aliens who have never experienced human life tried writing about it to one of their alien friends. Just a bunch of liberal suburban kids making dialogue for a young audience.
The music in Riot is dope.
That fact that Starfield lets you find your mom & dad in the night club is just icing on the cake. They are practically begging modders to redo this hot garbage
Wut…so it’s like a Pixar movie or something where the kid finds out their lame boring parents are actually “cool”? JFC, I can’t tell who they were trying to market this game to. Literally everyone all at once, I guess.
that's the one good thing about this
@@ViperT24nah its a trait (thing you can pick during character creation) where you can meet your ingame biological parents. its honestly really wholesome but so weird in this context lmao
wat
@@2nerfs1herder62 i thought it was funny to see your parents there
Todd Howard was in the chess club. Starfield's nightclubs have a very chess club feel.
What's cool about that Cyberpunk nightclub is that it feels lively. Lots of people are dancing but also have different dance moves, not just copypasting same moves for every NPC. And those are some damn good moves I should say. People look like they are actually partying and having fun
Remembered an old man with western clothes on and metal legs and he was tearing it up on that dance floor. I just stopped and watched him in absolute awe until he stopped dancing. It was amazing.
I remember this exact NPC lol @@littlebuddy1140
Also note that the Starfield's club seems to be a separate in-game location. Compare that to the seamless world of 2077.
Everything in Starfield feels like you're teleporting from one instance zone to another. Even when you don't fast travel, which is pretty much masochism, adjacent areas in a city often feel like you just teleported miles away. While in Cyberpunk the only fast travel feature I'll use is "skip ride" while being driven because driving is fun and there's usually something to find or do in between.
seamless except when it crashes cuz PS4 can’t hang 😂😅
@@matthewcarter9790 nah, can't even claim that. Fallout 4 taking so long to transition you from an indoor cell to outdoors, ESPECIALLY in downtown Boston, is just unacceptable for a game released the same year as The Witcher 3.
@@byRoyalty i mean its a ps4, its considered old gen now and was still even when 2077 came out
@@byRoyalty yeah, dont play it on PS4. They never should've been released on those gen of consoles, but its much more playable on literally anything else.
As a regular club person, i found most of the ones in Cyberpunk to be extremely accurate... would benefit from denser crowds but generally a very authentic experience.
It's authentic if you go clubbing on thursdays
@@CrownsnekThis is a club of one gang where only gang members are allowed.
Hitman 3 has the best nightclub in gaming I think, at least the dance floor area. Probably modelled on something real though.
The only thing that's missing is the 3am smell :D (and I mean that with endless affection for that scene)
You ain’t a regular club person if you think Cyberpunk clubs are extremely accurate of intense nightlife. Lol. A more fitting reference would be the nightclub in Max Payne 3 or Ballad of Gay tony.
“Hi. Having fun?”
Bruh I just walked in
The fucking dad and the laugh LMAOOO. And how the hell in starfield the club is another map that you have to load in and there's only like 20 nps at max lol.
Next Gen 🙌🏽
Still utilizing the same shitty engine after all these years
I don’t know if he was laughing or crying at the party
Cyberpunk nailed it exactly how it feels to visit a techno rave here in germany, loud music, dark, many people, everyone dancing, drugs, they got it perfectly
Shut up kraut, Germans shouldn't be allowed to use the internet
That sounds lit; I want to go to one of them one of these days
try Kit Kat or Bergain if in Berlin, but research what you need to prepare for when going to either 😆 @@Rad_Akali
Benefits of being from Poland.
Im from Scotland but i feel the same, every rave and grimy but fun af club i've been to has that feel. Starfield feels like it was made by middle aged folk that never got invited out to party even when they were young.
I remember my first play through of Cyberpunk walking up to Lizzies bar I could hear the bass on my home theater getting louder as I got closer and as soon as the doors opened and walked in it was full on blast music. Very immersive.
ratchet and clank does that really well too
You can even see the DJane dance to her own Vibes at Lzzies
@OrwellianDystopia1984ofc you’d be worried about pizza chubs
@OrwellianDystopia1984 nah just can’t stand fat people honestly
"I'm commander Shepherd, and this is my favorite place in Night City."
Starfield's reminds me of work events where people are just waiting to leave whereas the cyberpunks is the late night alternative club that is open til 4am
"This place is insane!!!"
*Dances to soft music in a giant empty hall*
the music really shows the difference too like the starfield music feels like corporate soulless ‘club’ music but the cyberpunk music actually sounds like something youd hear at an underground nightclub
1:06 That laugh speaks a thousand words.
The sheer bass that fills the nightclubs in Cyberpunk is insane. Starfield's "club" feels like The Blue Oyster bar
7th Hell is my personal favourite cyberpunk club. Not quite as edgy as totentaz but still got dark cool vibes
whoa whoa don't shit on The Blue Oyster - it had style, and character and people actually were having fun there.
"Are you having fun"
"Ha ha! This place is insane!"
Do you like our game? Do you? Tell us you enjoy this. You love this don't you. Its the best gaming experience you've ever had isn't it?!
Oh man, this hits the spot 😂😂😂
I'm gonna need some of that Aurora to give you a positive answer.
"Please clap."
Add a loading screen between each sentence in your comment 😂
@@edrick_2250😂😂😂
Don't forget you also need a loading screen to process this technical masterpiece.
I really love how there's virtually no loading screens in cyberpunk, even when the game does a cutaway to a different location
🤣🤣🤣
"This place is insane!" had me in fucking stitches xD
Starfield's nightclub is like a watered down version for 6 year olds, with fake enthusiasm as if they're paid to say positive things about it.
Starfield nightclub looks like the type of place you'd walk in and immedietly 180 for being lame. Cyberpunk's nightclub looks like the type of place you'd walk in and immedietly 180 for fear of being stabbed.
That's how you know Cyberpunk's nightclubs are good. They are supposed to invoke that feeling lol.
Cyberpunk club is where you go to pick fights
I think one of the biggest reasons why Starfield isn't hitting the themes it wants to is because it's trying too damn hard not to offend anyone. Everything just feels so neutral and bland.
ALSO EVERYONE IS THE EXACT SAME HEIGHT it's just super immersion breaking.
Yes. I don't hate Starfield, there are parts that are pretty good, some of the quests and locations for sure, but there's like a 90's sci fi vibe that permeates so many bits like this. In contrast, even from launch CP77 absolutely dripped dangerous atmosphere.
I think they called the aesthetic “NASApunk”? Dumb as heck name for what’s basically a modern “Star Trek: Enterprise” set design.
And honestly the 90s Trek aesthetic can be comfy, but it doesnt work in Starfield. Personally I think the Deus Ex HR style would have been a better fit
@@LeathalThe move away from the fantastical and somewhat goofy styles of fallout 4 and Skyrim to a style that was attempting to be realistic really showed the cracks in Bethesda's design skills. If you have any knowledge of engineering or just how things work, it becomes super clear that no one at Bethesda has ever had to, say, do a repair on their car or actually think critically about how things are designed in the real world. Structures have terribly insufficient supports, weapons have random vestigial tubes and components everywhere, everything mechanical is either terribly undersized, oversized, or just makes no sense. Nothing looks CNC'd or injection molded or stamped or cast, it's all just arbitrary forms that look vaguely industrial. Fallout 4 got away with this, but it's like a sore thumb in Starfield.
CP2077 is not very different in that matter. Yes aesthetically it's fantastic and immersive (one of the best ever in that category), but the game is so god damn soft in term of moral compass. CDPR wanted V to be the most ambitious and yet they didn't want him to get his hand dirty in the dirtiest city. One time I think the game give me the choice the choice to be a jerk for my own interest, a trivial case of cynical individualism in a cyberpunk universe you know, just to be scolded by the hypocritical, murder en masse, douchebag in V's head.
@melchiordelaunay2539 there are very few games where you get to play as utterly amoral and sociopathic. Idk that studios want alot of the blowback from letting you go nuts in a game world. I mean stuff like Postal is controversial to this day. So, at your worst you can just be sort of a jerk, but ultimately there's lines you don't cross in any circumstance.
0:09 "Um, YES!! This is the most *mind-blowing* setting ever created. It just.. works" - T Howard
Mass effect 2: afterlife club on omega… approaching that club and hearing the muffled bass… getting clearer as you walked inside was an unforgettable video game experience, hard to believe that was almost 15 years ago now😮
I had just finished the first mass effect, jumped right into the second one and was having my doubts about it, but when I walked into Afterlife I immediately knew the game was going to be my favorite, not sure why, but I just knew, and I was right lmao
Mass effect is the best Arpg in Scifi, even Kotor ( but i prefer the second one) don't stand against ME trilogy.
I was looking for this comment ❤
My exact thoughts
True, Afterlife was awesome! I even went to find the song that plays in the downstairs club just so I could listen to it for running and working out :)
Starfield feels like it was made by an AI and Cyberpunk like it was made by actual creatives
Both were made by creatives
That's because a lot of Starfield was automatically generated and the rest was designed by committee to be approved by Disney, while Cyberpunk was made by insane Polish people with weird kinks and no American puritan hangups.
@@TerkanTyr I totally agree. American big-budget developers have become really stale in their creativity lately. Think of how many of this year's GOTY nominees are made by Europe and Japan. Shoutout to my fave game of the last 20 years, Disco Elysium! Too bad a very American thing happened to the real developers. Don't buy it, people. Don your eyepatches.
@@thesavvytortfeasor Yes Disco Elysium was amazing! It didn't have fancy visuals or combat but it still managed to be 100x more creative and engaging than Starfield
@@thesavvytortfeasor American animation is particular bad in this regard, though maybe it's gotten somewhat better compared to it's bottom barrel years; ever notice how nearly every major adult oriented animated series Americans produce has to also be a comedy (likely because Simpsons did well in the 90s once lmao) Our corpos are so risk adverse and uninspired it's insane.
I love how this video starts with a Starfield loading screen lmfao
The cherry on top
Starfield Clubs: Stories you will exaggerate about to your kids
Cyberpunk Clubs: Stories you will never tell anyone