Hellbound Hellraiser II Review
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Movie studios are known for pumping out sequels, but it's still rare to see one that was greenlit well before the original made a profit as Hellraiser had yet to be released. Nevertheless, many of those details that Clive couldn't fit into the first movie spilled over into Hellbound: Hellraiser II. Unfortunately though, despite coming out only one year later, not all the actors returned to reprise their roles... So.. plans changed.
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Fun fact; The guy who cuts himself on the mattress is the same actor who plays skinless Frank in this film & the first one
Thank you so much for sharing that
like how Kevin Peter Hall played the Original Predator and one of the soldiers during the helicopter rescue
Boneless frank
His blood is the key. Its like poetry. It rhymes. 😐
I actually think Frank being in Hell instead makes much more sense since he WAS dragged to Hell instead of his brother. (Though by being MORE logical, it makes Christie look even more foolish.)
Yeah I always just assumed her father was in Heaven after being murdered by Frank.
@@BrendanSlob unless Larry embezzled a lot of money from his job he could end up in hell? but Pinhead maybe sees heaven as another hell? unreachable?
To be fair to Kirsty, the events of the film are supposed to happen within the same time frame - I’m guessing no less than a few days or weeks after, and yeah she’s still grieving her Dad. Perhaps she thought it genuinely was her Dad because he was completely skinned, but then so was his brother.. I think she was just traumatized and didn’t think it through. I would have done the same, if I were her. But to her credit, she does realize she was wrong.
Well the cenobites didnt seem like straight forward honest kinda guys. They tried to take Kirsty when she did nothing wrong. So if there is only but a small chance.... would you guys leave it up to trust that your father was in hell or not?
@@easygrin1127 A fair point regarding the dad, but the thing I liked about the Cenobites is, as far as movie monsters go, they have very specific rules and they follow the rules. It's just that their rules are so obtuse and alien they seem arbitrary, but one of the very specific rules is that if you open the box, you want what they're selling, whether that's true or not.
I just saw your review of the first Hellraiser. Julia was stabbed on the stairs, but later we find she made it to her bed and solved the puzzle box.
This actually reminds me of Dream Warriors (Nightmare on Elm Street) in terms of plot escalation and the character dynamics of the two female protagonists
One thing worth mentioning about the whole "dead" thing, Hell as it's called in Hellraiser really means the Cenobite's world; they're beings from another dimension. So when people get taken from Earth to their world, they aren't dying per se, just being transported, which is how they can come back to Earth again.
Julia's body was on the mattress at the end of the first movie
17-38
Yeah, but we don't see how she could've gotten to that mattress, but I like to think there's a moment when Frank is confronting Kirsty, that Julia is using every bit of strength she had left to get the box
tgiacin435 that’s probably it
Doesn't make any less sense that she's on there at the end of that movie
It might not make sense internally within the first film, but it is not a valid criticism of the second film’s continuity.
I think the reason Kirstie originally counted as willingly opening the box with Tiffany didn't is because, even though Kirstie didn't know what it was or what would happen, she still consciously wanted to solve it, even if out of curiosity. Tiffany meanwhile was compelled by her neurosis.
10:32 everytime I see this scene, I always think Tiffany's thinking, "God damn it, even The Cenobites don't want anything to do with me"
14:15
better line would be is "I'm already in Hell, where was I gonna go, Detroit?"
I liked this one, but I was waiting to see that skele-dragon thingy at the of the one return...
Sure it looked like Final Boss.
I just want to say that my brother watched this story around the time I was in elementary school. In spite of the fact I've been watching horror movies since I was 3, this this one completely f****** terrified me. for years all I could remember was a staircase surrounded by a whole shitload of candles and a bloody person that came up out of a mattress, and of course a bunch of change. That's literally all I remembered. But it gave me nightmares for nearly 15 years. Of course I seen every single Hellraiser except the latest one that does not start Doug Bradley. it's funny what scares the s*** out of us kids that we can laugh at as adults and vice versa
Kirstie summoned them willingly. Not wanting her soul shredded is irrelevant. Tiffany had no desire, no knowledge, and was forced into using the box. She may wander into hell and become a victim there, but she will not be taken there.
Too be fair, the end with Channard beating the Cenobites, they just found out through kirsty that they were once human. So their humanity was restored just enough to make them vulnerable to an attack in that exact moment. Fyi.
Man, if they just went with the original script and had the mother become the ruler of hell and wage war against Pinhead that would’ve been one of the most classic horror franchises of all time.
It’s just been so long and it’s already had too many chances to be redeemed at this point
Read the comics that came out a few years ago. So much better than any sequel we got
As to your question about the mattress, at the very end of Hellraiser or the very beginning of Hellraiser 2, we do indeed see Julia lying on the mattress. Whoever it was who put her on there is beyond me.... it's between the Cenobites or Frank. There's no freaking way it would've been Kirsty....they hated each other. The puzzle box in her hands is also possible possibly due to the Cenobites trying to trick Kirsty. My biggest question is....wtf did she manage to get out of the hospital and go to daddy's house after they said the police were going to interview her. So many questions with definite plot holes!!
If you die in Hell you go to Super Hell
And what if you die in Super Hell?
Eb I think you go to McDonald's
Wendy's I love McDonald's
That would actually be a bad ass concept for something like doom.
Mega Hell.
3:30 Julia's corpse was placed on the mattress (presumably by the cenobites) and so her blood was on it; blood seems to be the key.
Skin is sometimes associated with sin in ancient Christianity. There are some artworks that portray sin with skinless figures or skin without internal parts.
So like most of Christianity/religion in general, it's extremely contradictory- sometimes no skin means "sin", but sometimes all skin (and nothing else) means sin. Okay then...
Hellraiser's portals between worlds reminds me of Imajica with its hidden dimension for an evil god of creation, which is perfectly empty because no corruptible flesh is allowed. At least, that's how I remember it. I wish they would make a Japanese animation-style movie of Clive Barker's stories!
I always figured that the reason Julia was able to come back the way she did, and got her skin back was because she was sent back, where as Frank escaped
I just thought there was more of her than there was of frank
The Cenobites are surprisingly forgiving. “Wait. She doesn’t want this. You’re free to go. So sorry for the inconvenience.”
Who ya callin pinhead?
Sekiko 824 I'm dirty dan
@@dubcheeseburgerplaysgame3183 I'm Dirty Dan.
Which one of you fellers is the real dirty dan?
Wesley Sorrell uh I am.
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found myself unintentionally dancing to the outro music. Glad you followed through and got it.
Hellbound was my fav of the series. Sadly, after bloodline, the series basically becomes a fancy tv horror episode with 10 minutes of pinhead showing up in the end to make it a hellraiser film. After bloodline you almost cant even call the last 5 movies hellraiser.
they killed pinhead seriously
Yep. Pretty quickly, too. Of course, there's consistent plots, and then there's brand recognition. One has a slightly stronger pull in Hollywood.
"Chatter" was always my fave
As always, thank you so much for your review Decker - I learned a lot about Hellraiser2 from both you and the comments section.
No idea that Kirsty was supposed to see HER FATHER in hell - creeper Uncle Frank just worked way better.
I am really enjoying your channel :)
You're hands down the funniest and most entertaining guy to watch thanks for the great work, keep it up man !
God Ashley Laurence is so beautiful. Had a crush on her like forever.
+Lon Tanner She's a real looker, very healthy looking.
+Dream Warrior12 Very hidratated
99% organic
Yeah she always had that adorable baby face and big doe eyes. Still looking amazing today in her 50's.
Apollyon u h w h a t ?
Because Kirsty solved the puzzle box through her when free will. She wasn't forced
Aww. They didn’t want to hurt Tiffany because she’s innocent. That’s awfully sweet for S&M hell demons. I bet if you learned their safe word they would stop all their flaying and torture on you.
that making out with skinless woman was really disturbing to me when i watched this film, i was ten years old.
I actually really enjoyed this film, even more than the first. I like how it develops each of its characters from the previous film as well as all of the new characters. Plus, I like the bigger proportions of the film, as well as the bigger stakes. But I will have to agree with you on the rushed final act which could've been better.
The 2nd is deserved to be considered as one of the most underrated sequel in my opinion just like Predator 2
Wait-wait-wait-wait...William Hope?...As in...Billy Hope?
Oh My God! RUN! IT'S THE WALRIDER!!!
Great review, Decker! So far, I'm enjoying the Summer.....of HELLRAISER! I have to agree with the consensus - this is the best of the sequels. They just go downhill from here, although I do admire Bloodlines a bit for trying to bring some history of the Lament Configuration into play, even if it does end up a jumbled mess. Can't wait to see what you have to say about it. Cheers!
Hold on a sec, if this is the summer of Hellraiser, then how many sequels are there?
Oh, there's.. what was it? 9 Hellraiser movies, in total. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it.
This is going to be a loooooong summer for you decker. Hey at least it's not THE SUMMER OF STEVEN SEAGAL
Oh and do more decker and dragons
PredatorChieftan yes
I'm starting to get in love with Decker
Its the hair
sus
@@ptv032913 cringe
@@mbvlayne innbredd
Man, you really cleared a lot up in that flick. I still think this one left me scratching my head in a lot of parts though. Seriously obtuse plot structure, but as you said, fantastic gore factor. Top notch review!
Kenneth Cranham is fantastic as Dr. Philip Channard/Channard Cenobite. 😀👍
Chennard was connected directly to Leviathan hence his extra power boost
Nice I was about to fall asleep. Keep these up Decker!
You've discovered my true goal - to give the world insomnia! ;)
+Decker Shado narcolepsy would be pretty cool too
+Decker Shado did you know Clive Barker Himself said Pinhead lost because he rediscovered his humanity 16:16 & if it wasn't for this Pinhead alone would have torn The Doctor to shreds. knowing this now I'm as mad about this scene as I use to be.
My personal favourite of the whole franchise.
my personal least favorite
nexusshark one of the only good ones
@Zoomer Waffen It was supposed to be how the series ends but then we got shitty sequel after shitty sequel. This is the best Hellraiser sequel hands down.
Why didn't Julia need to take someone's skin like Frank did in the first "Hellraiser"? Eh...maybe I'm trying to use too much logic in a shlocky horror film universe where extra dimensional beings get off on cutting people to slimy bits after solving a hellish cross between a Rubik's Cube and the Tesseract.
+Daric Soldar Did you watch the movie?
I'm 5 years too late but.... Frank wanted larry's skin so the cenobites wouldn't find him.
Ashley Laurence is in her 50s and still smokin!
Yep: twitter.com/1ashleylaurence?lang=en
She looks like she’s in her 30’s
@@tommyzDad I refuse to believe that woman is 50
I came across your channel watching Cyborcat's review also...and I thought you were Weirld Al Yancovic! lol But you're still just as funny, and I loved your review! Subscribed!
Julia died on the staircase but didn't Kirsty find her in the bed when she got the puzzle box? And the puzzle boxes came from Channard's house. He had several displayed in belljars.
She died on the stairs but then she was found lying on the mattress with the cube in her hand
I don't think it's far-fetched (ha) that Kirstie might believe her father is calling out from hell. Not bcz he deserved to be there but bcz he was murdered and he might have been dragged there.
I enjoyed Hellraiser II, think it's better than the original.
"pinhead's" name was simply The Priest
Or hell priest
@@zombiewarrior88 Yeah and the magician how called him Pinhead suffered a terrible fade. And so does D’Armour.
I remember watching this back at my second house over a decade ago
Turns 35!
This one truly has a more darker tone than the last one which in a way matches director Tony Randal's mindset
Clive Barker executive produces this time but thankfully this has almost the same spirit acting more like a dark fantasy
It's nice to see the Cenobites again in top form seeing how their own vices lead to them becoming demons themselves and we get more insight into Pinhead's origin
The blood and gore doesn't disappoint and the practical effects are top notch making the agony interesting
There's still the ideas of corruption by lust, pleasure and pain being indistinguishable, knowing too much is dangerous, is there more to learn?, we pursue forbidden pleasures through fascination
Ashley Laurence brings a lot more to her role, the mythos grows even bigger with a cosmic hellscape, and I really like Tiffany by Imogen Boorman who has an innocent quality to her as she's one of the few not actively seeking the box
The budget is bigger despite new world pictures having to cut the budget due to financial issues allowing for a bigger labyrinth environment
The sequel managed to expand the characters and the mythos without having to repeat things being very operatic thanks to Randal's input representing a fully more realized production
'Hellraiser 2' is the only chapter worth checking out of 9 abysmal sequels that serves as a final swan song in terms of creativity
So... it would seem Pinhead really IS interested in Kirsty's skills at bargaining???
The fact that this is the only movie where the puzzle boxes actually produce music as described in the book seriously annoys me
Hellraiser 2, let's not kill her she was forced to open the box
Hellraiser(the one pinhead is turned into a vagrant), they had to open the box cause he was forcing them? Ya yeet down to hell you go
This is my first video, and I can tell I'm going to be watching a lot more, at least in the Hellraiser series. Lovely (and reminiscent of Weird Al, I'm sure that gets said a lot).
Awesome review dude and agree with everything you bring up, though I find Hellraiser II to be better than the original and infinitely better than the lametastic sequels and easily my favorite of the series. Thanks for the background info, fascinating stuff and had no clue about Dad actor not reprising his role, tho honestly thought Uncle Frank fit fine and seemed the more logical choice (and as you said, good dads don't go to hell!). The single biggest problem I had w this movie was also the biggest disappointment for what so obviously could have been an incredible scene: the Cenobite fight with Doctor Kinky Evil! Or as you show here, the total lack of a fight as these big bad Cenobites all go out like bee-atches with nary a whimper! WTF??? Even a 5 or even 2 minute fight with major ass kicking that ended up the same outcome would have still been an amazing scene in horror movie history and every person I know wanted what so obviously should have been there! Why??? Why oh why did they not shows us how bad a$$ Cenobites could be by pitting them against their own kind??? Why did they all die so dag gone easily? I thought PinHead (or Leader Dude, however we should refer to him) should at the very least had slice and diced Dr S&M but nope, just totally ignore the setup making every fan boy s heart pound and ignore the awesome battle we should have had. Do you know if the original script had a fight scene before being rewritten!? If nothing else, I daresay such a scene could be the basis for another sequel if the franchise has any undeath still in it! Fun fact: Julia (or rather the actress of course) featured in Doctor Who presiding over the 8th Doctor regenerating into the War Doctor anger later warned Peter Capaldis Doctor that Davros was coming while Uncle Frank played a Pagan Coven Member in the pilot/only episode of the Dr Who spinoff called K9 and Company (which decades later was totally reworked and became the successful Sarah Jane Adventures). Love your reviews dude!!!!!!!
At 8:02, does anyone else think that Julia's victim, hanging there and screaming, looked like Susannah Hoff, from The Bangles? Decker skipped showing her, since she was naked, I'm sure. But anyone who's seen this one all the way through might have seen the resemblance.
Another fantastic review. Really enjoy watching your videos (am currently watching your summer of Freddy vs Jason videos too)
If you die in Hell you lose a turn and have to start all over again ...and do not pass go and do not collect One hundred dollars and off to Hell you go!
Ohhh yeah Dr. Channard was collecting multiple Lament Configurations in his study with domed glass jars where Julia was resurrected @ 06:30 but yeah Hellraiser 4 Bloodlines Phillip L'Merchant only created one so yeah where did the others come from
Dr. Channard has become Penis-Head
The whole thing of cenobites, these malevolent beings that appear after a human solves the Lemarchand's Box, it very similar to some characters from a Japanese manga called "Berserk" created by Kentarou Miura. In this manga, there are five malevolent beings called "Godhand" that appear after a human that is under despair, using a device called beherit. Very interesting and dark manga.
I do a happy dance when I see a new video from you deker
Ok I'm trying to watch all the Hellraiser movies this Halloween for the first time. Hellraiser I was pretty cool, interesting, and scary. But this movie is so CONFUSING! Eventually I couldn't even figure out the main plot, I feel like it's a mess, at least the scenes are well made though. I've seen parts of Hellraiser III and it seems like a more slasher like movie, which I am very looking forward too, I'm not meant for this kind of confusing mix.
The Dr able to kill pinhead with his minions made me already not take this seriously and not watch it.
wait... if frank died in hell doesn't that make him have the best ending in all of movie horror endings? It means he no longer exist and no longer gets to be tortured in hell for eternity.
I love your videos you are good as hell at this I hope you get y.t fame
"This is Gold Leader on stand by"🤣
I liked 1 and 2 a lot.
I always think of I and II as one film. it works better
I have a crush on Tiffany (Imogen Boorman). Too bad this was nearly 30 years ago...
I like how neutral pinhead is compared to other horror film villains.
I still like this movie. I prefer the Unrated director's cut.
I didn’t know there was one
I like this better than the first
I believe Julia did die on the mattress....somehow, as Kirsty takes the puzzle box from her dead hands at the end of the first movie. Although to be fair it last maybe 30 seconds and it is hard to recognize her.
And to think........I hesitated.
Today is the *6* year anniversary of when you uploaded "Hellbound Hellraiser II Review". 🤓
EDIT- 1:40 P.M.: *finishes episode 22 minutes later*
The part where Pinhead got killed off *really* caught me off guard! 👀
Fun fact the actual design for hell is a two dimentional dimond. The middle to the top represents the poor to the rich. The middle to the bottom symbolises the poor to the desperate. Same shape as the puzzle when its turned to the spikey thing
The last good Hellraiser movie. Every other one is ok to mediocre to bad after each movie.
You're the man! AWESOME editing, AWESOME commentary, AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME 👍👍👍
can I just say the Hellraiser puzzle box thing has got to be one of the easiest puzzles ever.
By the way, Clare Higgins played "Julia" in both Hellraiser 1 and 2
I'm glad I watched your review. I thought I was the only one that realized Julia didn't die on a mattress.
I like this one better then the first but I will admit it has a lot of problems
Decker, bro you remind me so much of Ronnie James Dio. Have you heard this before? This comment is not at all intended as an insult. You could/should cosplay him in a video. Keep up the great content my friend!!!
3:44 William Hope is also Marshall Wait in Alien Isolation
Brilliant review, hilarious & well presented.
Nice one mate.
Thank you Decker!
Keep them coming!
On a side note, you must be excited for the upcoming new Steven Seagal movies. :D
....allow me to run off screaming into the night. O_o
+Matracokura Have you seen that terrible vampire slayer type movie where his team just walks in hospital corridors the whole movie? Name? Just terrible!
+Decker Shado I like your videos
Dream Warrior12 OFC i have seen the glorious movie Against the Dark :D
Funny how Julia looks like Julia after taking some randoms skin but Frank looks like Larry after taking his skin.
The reason Julia looks so much better after the first feeding is probably because she got a whole lot more blood than Frank did when Larry (Rory in the book) cut himself and bled on the floor; I probably don't have to explain why Larry lost less blood by accidentally chiseling his finger than this unfortunate maggot-man lost while trying to slice his arm off!
Hellbound was imo the most deep of the Hellraiser movies that I have seen. The whole notion of going to another plane of existence like Planescape Torment was different in any kind of storytelling. I think if Clive Barker spent more time and weaved his tale a little more refined, this would be even bigger. Parts of the movie were clearly rushed and it has some really poor moments.
Looking deeper at Hellbound with certain eyes tho its clear this was trying to be something spectacular and alluring. This movie has clearly inspired other movies like Inception and The Cell listen to the Leviathon music for one instance.
The whole notion of a giant labyrinth plane of existence coupled with sex and desire is very much akin to the old history myth of Ishtar.
The Cenobites betraying each other and fighting is reminiscent of the old saying when at the top you dare to be shot at. This makes the plane all the more cruel when not even Cenobites stay in power and its a constant demon change so not even consistency and legacy can remain.
Maybe I'm looking a little too deep at Hellbound but I really do think if they had more patience and quality they could of really done something on the Game of Thrones level of intelligence and quality story-telling.
Awrah you god damn muslim, you've shared some nice insightful comment there. The only thing I highly disagree with is cenobites betraying one another. It seems to me the default attitude of the cenobites of different groups towards one another is indifference. Dr. Channard was after Tifanny and didn't much care about Kirsty or Pinhead's group while Pinhead's group ignored Channard and Tifanny and only showed interest in Kirsty. The only reason cenobites fought each other was Pinhead's out-of-character behavior, caused by his memory of being human. Dr. Channard even let him have first shot. All in all, I believe the usual interaction between cenobites is indifference at worst.
Order from best to worst: 1,3,2,4,6,7,8,5,9 That is a proven scientific theory as described in the Lament study of movie facts
Watched a coupla reviews on this channel today, subbed when he called Leviathan a 'giant lozenge'.
I'm going to be very honest.
Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 was not as great as many say it is. Because it was rushed bigtime during development considering that it was being made before the 1st Hellraiser's release, the result was a follow-up that had quite some plot inconsistencies & plot holes, which also left more questions than answers. Like how did Kirsty suddenly end up in the Channard Institute when she was okay at the end of Hellraiser? Hellbound took place right after the 1st movie. Where did those cubes the patients were solving came from? They even didn't summon cenobites. And what's the point & purpose of the tentacle on Channard's head when he was a cenobite?
It's safe to say that Hellbound: Hellraiser 2 was the true start of the series' downturn.
Did it suffer due to rushed production? Sure. Is it as good as the first film? No. But it's still arguably the second best Hellraiser film in the series. The Cenobite motivations are still the shades of gray they should be, rather than the "clear cut, evil demons from hell" characteristics they were given in later films (Hell on Earth, anyone?). They stick with the story from the first film, and yeah, while there are some gaps, there are also some things that are cleared up. On top of that, much like the first film, it's a gorgeously shot movie, and the last truly GOOD Hellraiser film. Bloodlines was watchable, but nothing more than that.
FriendLee93 To be honest I found Hellraiser Bloodline to be better than Hellbound. At least the cenobites were given a fair share of kills while In Hellbound Pinhead made no kills at all.
Sure Hellraiser 3 was bad, but it was so bad it's funny.
What I find hypocritically is thatvrveryone complained about Pinhead's over the top behavior in Hellraiser 3, but no one complained about Dr. Channard's over the top behavior not to also mention those doctor puns.
Gargoyle Man
It's Hellraiser. It's not about the kill count.
And the problem with Hell on Earth isn't that Pinhead is over-the-top. It's that he's evil at all. Pinhead's character, in the previous 2 movies, was all about order, just enforcing Leviathan's laws (At least til he remembered his humanity). Him suddenly being evil and just converting who the fuck ever into Cenobites for his "Army" made no sense at all.
FriendLee93 I know that.
What also made no sense as Pinhead "suddenly being evil and just converting who the fuck ever into Cenobites for his "Army" was Dr. Channard's behavior as a cenobite, which was on the same boat as Pinhead in Hellraiser 3, which was cliched evil.
And what was the whole idea & purpose about the tentacle on his head? Made even far less sense.
Gargoyle Man Channard's behavior as a Cenobite wasn't all that weird. He was enforcing Leviathan's will. We interpret Channard's behavior as "evil" because he was a sadist in life, and he continued to be such as a cenobite. His pursuit of Kirsty and Tiffany wasn't anything different than Pinhead or his gang would have done. Channard was just doing it while directly connected to Leviathan, which made him more powerful.
The tentacle was part of Leviathan, and it connected to Channard as a way of making him stronger. Kinda like he became an extension of Leviathan itself.
can you do the summer of godzilla!
there's like, a good 50 movies in that franchise at this point, that's more like an entire YEAR devoted to it.
More like 30-something, but yeah there are way too many to shove into a single summer. Although it'd probably be fine to skip a lot of them. Some of them are just boring as fuck, and that's coming from a huge Godzilla fan
thats also why final wars is so good. "hey we know that the human parts in godzilla can be really boring but what if we made it so that everyone is fighting always? godzilla blowin through niggas while the humans act like kamen rider characters with the over the top fighting"
although best godzilla human will always be "*BABY RIDER*"!
13:32 It didn't make logical sense to have Larry in hell; he was an innocent and victim.
The whole ting about the mattress. At the end of Hellraiser 1 Kisty had that huge bonfore. Why wasn't the mattress the fist to get thrown on?
Wikia just says her fathr had probably gone o heaven, was the originl plot along the lines of her pulling her father out of hell?
Well, if you plan on going to the Hell dimension, just be sure to pack your power armor, your just cause, a tooth brush, clean underwear, heavy metal, and your BIG FREAKIN' GUN!
You ever seen the movie Cube, Decker?
Decker Shado, do you really not know why Dr. Channard's head got ripped in half or was the confusion intened as part of character? Because there's PHYSICAL reason for what'd happened.
very interestin is the vision of this series, cant wait for the rest of them!